Oh darn, a little risk vs reward. Wanting it handed to you that easily? Pathetic.
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Oh darn, a little risk vs reward. Wanting it handed to you that easily? Pathetic.
Thats all you could come up with? Whats that got to do with you saying haters gotta hate. Basically you cant come up with a reason that debates why ppl should not hate pvp.
absolutely on point. Anytime someone dies 1v1, the winner feels the need to flex on chat, followed by the onslaught of accusations about cheating or scripting and the ensuing back and forth completely takes over the chat logs. The community is far too toxic.
There are some definite issues that the unapproved programs cause (relative tile targeting) but honestly they give about the same advantages as the enhanced client compared to classic. Curious what specifically is so overwhelming to overcome? Just curious specific things or has it become the scapegoat for unwanting or afraid to lose in pvp. I mean, you lose 9 to 25k.. big whoop.
I will be perfectly honest.. I hate pvp because im terrible at it.
Back in the day I did factions.. i was dead more than alive. Im just not good at pvp in uo.
Put me in a FPS and I do pretty good.. uo....oh so bad.
uo has just always been my safe zone of i suck at this aspect of the game but i can do this other part pretty good so thats all i want to do.
Back in the day I did factions.. i was dead more than alive. Im just not good at pvp in uo.
Put me in a FPS and I do pretty good.. uo....oh so bad.
uo has just always been my safe zone of i suck at this aspect of the game but i can do this other part pretty good so thats all i want to do.
I think if given the chance, legacy pvp will be more inviting for all. Why? Nobody has the edge of years, or time on their side to build unbeatable odds. Theres always more blues, then reds. Nothing more liberating when I killed my first pk in 2000. Was it solo? No. Did I care? No. I felt amazing. It was an adrenaline rush, and it made the 100 deaths I had before that, worth it.
I didnt like a lot of foods when I was a kid. And I didnt want to try them as an adult because I "didnt like them". Guess what? Most of those foods, as an adult, are great. Stop limiting your present, because of your past. Just some friendly advice
I didnt like a lot of foods when I was a kid. And I didnt want to try them as an adult because I "didnt like them". Guess what? Most of those foods, as an adult, are great. Stop limiting your present, because of your past. Just some friendly advice
The advantage over EC is in many ways some of which being the the auto cure auto heal scripts. It is not the money involved with insurance I am concerned about it's having the efforts that take time taken away from me with the unfair advantage players have using scripts. I do venture to fel from time to time but not in search of pvp but when I do and run into pvp it makes it less worth my time to ever return. There should be nothing in this game that requires you to involve yourself in this games backwoods banjo playing pvp system. If you want to pvp there should be rewards that measure up enough to sate the desire for pvp in this game that should not involve killing players who are spec'd for PvE. I think there will be more of a balance of this on the new shard system with pvp retained to the VvV system for the most part.
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I agree there will be more balance and less ability to cheat on legacy, thats why Im so excited. But im sorry, saying auto cure is a big problem? lol. Its a 1 button macro to cure. C'mon man. Uoassist can do it. I kill pvpers on my sampire ALL the time. Just carry 1-2 extra weapons that have pvp mods, and boom. You're good to go.
I have played MMO's with both free for all pvp and battle grounds - it all winds up with the same behavior & culture. PvP in general just simply brings out the worst human behavior. I simply hate the entire culture and the behaviors that it brings out. In unrestricted pvp, "good" people behave just as awful as "bad" people.
People act just as terrible in all aspects of the game. The glorious part about the pvp talk in UO is , 90% is done in gen chat. Change channels. Boom. Fixed.
You want to see toxic, go play League of Legends.
It chain heals without the button being pressed it is a script same with auto heal that is why it is auto.
Chain heals what? Potions have timers. Spells if fizzled during a script mess up the entire script and they cant cast anything for like 10 seconds. Im confused what you are referring to? Im well researched on the scripts people are using,. Ive never seen any that chain heal over and over. That'd be about the dumbest script ever.
Well between the instant targeting and reflexful level of healing of some who use script I guess by your opinion the fastest players must use some scripts very well. Never miss a cooldown or a chance to cure on cool down as soon as poisoned. They also don't use anything that allows them to never miss a healing cooldown either. Or cast on the run as we have all seen. Or any of the things we have seen of which the list is long.
As you are your own expert no one is changing your mind so to you sir I bid. Good Day!
As you are your own expert no one is changing your mind so to you sir I bid. Good Day!
I mean, L*** of FS uses the most illegal program there is.. Ive never seen his videos show casting on the run. Hitting a cure potion isnt very hard to do, it has zero cooldown between using them. Unless lethal, they usually work first try. I agree there is a macro that you can target hostile (orange, grey red), and it does create a disadvantage. Honestly though, If classic grabbed bars as easy and enhanced, I'd not even care about that one.
I am open to dialogue, but i refuse to have people throw false claims to the real problems. The biggest problems are relative tile scripts (teleporting, walls) IMO. Its just hard to take people serious that say they dont pvp, but apparently know about all the problems with PVP, you know what i mean?
I am open to dialogue, but i refuse to have people throw false claims to the real problems. The biggest problems are relative tile scripts (teleporting, walls) IMO. Its just hard to take people serious that say they dont pvp, but apparently know about all the problems with PVP, you know what i mean?
Good idea. You cant win an argument without factual evidence. I'd bow out too if I were you.
People complaining about cheaters has been the cop out for terrible pvpers since 1997. Funny reading the same excuse for 2 decades 
Im all for calling the cheaters and cheats when they are actually there, but half the time its made up crap that isnt even happening. Its probably a good part of the reason the Dev team doesnt take it seriously, because of the ridiculous claims.
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But the question was why do you hate PvP. Not tell us why you hate PvP so I can tell you that you are all wrong thread. If you would like to start a new thread called " Why you are wrong to hate PvP in UO" Feel free.
But from all the pvp haters in UO I say GOOD DAY SIR!
But the question was why do you hate PvP. Not tell us why you hate PvP so I can tell you that you are all wrong thread. If you would like to start a new thread called " Why you are wrong to hate PvP in UO" Feel free.
But from all the pvp haters in UO I say GOOD DAY SIR!
PVP is for people of the same mindset wanting to participate.
Not for someone going about the game their own way, getting ganked, getting mouthed with the standard nerd rage you see in UO today.
PVP has a large part in UO, but they should have tailored it to people who actually want to play that style of game. The map is large enough for everyone to enjoy the style of play they want too.
The game has moved on, times have changed and you don't have the magic of being a teenager without a care in the world playing a video game all day/night. Most people want to come and log on, get there few hours fix and carry on with their life.
Not for someone going about the game their own way, getting ganked, getting mouthed with the standard nerd rage you see in UO today.
PVP has a large part in UO, but they should have tailored it to people who actually want to play that style of game. The map is large enough for everyone to enjoy the style of play they want too.
The game has moved on, times have changed and you don't have the magic of being a teenager without a care in the world playing a video game all day/night. Most people want to come and log on, get there few hours fix and carry on with their life.
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You're absolutely right. It's a Why do you hate PVP? So, I hate PVP because i like to make up reasons on why I hate pvp? Stick to your memes if all you're going to do is not even identify real things.
It's called fact checking. Just like anything in life, if someone makes some ******** up, they deserve to be called on it.
You hate pvp because you think the pvpers are jerks? Okay, good for you. Dont do it.
But if all you got is "H4X, expl01ts, cheaters!" without any real bearing on the actual cheating that's going on, do us all a favor and find a new thread.
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No proof no links to disprove it's called opinion not fact checking.
Let''s get back to the true topic at hand.
Let''s get back to the true topic at hand.
It's your opinion that people cheat, but you have zero proof.
Youre one of those guys who sees an article from omgnews120934.com and forwards it on your personal social media, because it says news in the website name so it's gotta be true, amirite?
It is your opinion that people don't cheat, but you have zero proof offered as well.
I am not a person who knows what omgnews is but I see you do good for you.
You say things are not possible but offer no proof. Just because you yourself say something is not possible does not mean it is. Casting on the run is something many of us have seen as well as many of the other things you deny possible in other threads. Great just because you have not seen how it is done does not mean it has not been done. Those of us who hate PvP in UO have seen many things you would deny based on your knowledge of scripts but it does not make them untrue.
Like I said this is a post for us to say why we hate pvp not to debate with you.
I am not a person who knows what omgnews is but I see you do good for you.
You say things are not possible but offer no proof. Just because you yourself say something is not possible does not mean it is. Casting on the run is something many of us have seen as well as many of the other things you deny possible in other threads. Great just because you have not seen how it is done does not mean it has not been done. Those of us who hate PvP in UO have seen many things you would deny based on your knowledge of scripts but it does not make them untrue.
Like I said this is a post for us to say why we hate pvp not to debate with you.
An anon source just sent me that. Care to comment? I guess i'd like proof this isnt true. Thanks.
Also, I never said there wasnt illegal cheats out there. I'm saying the ones you're making up arent actual things. And the more people make uninformed comments, and pages, and emails about things that dont exist, the less serious Mesanna and her team are going to take these reports. So educate yourself, or dont.
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Confronted you with facts you choose to ignore you crumble to ash and dust I see. Show proof, links and detailed facts as to why these are not possible to your knowledge.
Ok can we ditch this nutter and get on with why we hate pvp in UO.
Ok can we ditch this nutter and get on with why we hate pvp in UO.
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I don't do much other than pvp, but I can agree that the culture and the crap talking gets old. If I hate anything about pvp that would be it.
As far as cheating goes.... Yes, some people do use cheats, however, most of those cheats can be countered and/or used against them if you know what you're doing. There has been more than once that I have followed someone around for 5 minutes casting nothing but curse and poison over and over again making them blow through all of their apples and pots and locking their script up. No matter how many cheats and scripts are out there, not one of them gives you the ability to automatically win.
With that said, I have been accused of cheating hundreds of times throughout the years, and all I play is the Enhanced client. No scripts, I have not modified my client in any way, and have several youtube videos showing my gameplay and taskbar. That doesn't stop the accusations though, because people in this game, culture, and community, would rather hang their hat on cheats being the reason for their loss, rather than admit someone might just be better than them. It has become the goto accusation rather than learning what you did wrong, or what the other person did better.
As far as cheating goes.... Yes, some people do use cheats, however, most of those cheats can be countered and/or used against them if you know what you're doing. There has been more than once that I have followed someone around for 5 minutes casting nothing but curse and poison over and over again making them blow through all of their apples and pots and locking their script up. No matter how many cheats and scripts are out there, not one of them gives you the ability to automatically win.
With that said, I have been accused of cheating hundreds of times throughout the years, and all I play is the Enhanced client. No scripts, I have not modified my client in any way, and have several youtube videos showing my gameplay and taskbar. That doesn't stop the accusations though, because people in this game, culture, and community, would rather hang their hat on cheats being the reason for their loss, rather than admit someone might just be better than them. It has become the goto accusation rather than learning what you did wrong, or what the other person did better.
You put yourself in the position of proving why you think someone is wrong in their hated of PvP in UO. The burden of proof is on you. If you can not offer more than opinion without anything but that to back it up you have failed of prove anything at all. I did not set out to prove anything but answer the question " why do I hate PVP?". My answer is based on personal experience I did not document because I did no set to prove anyone wrong. I can state my opinion based on experience. But if someone wishes to prove what I have seen with my own eyes wrong the burden is on them not myself. Offer no solid evidence in life and change no minds...just saying.
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It's hard to argue with someone who cannot grasp common sense. You are not posting opinions. You're posting incorrect exaggerations.
If im going to make an accusation, i would offer proof. You can dislike UO pvp for whatever reason you like, but its becoming more apparent the real reason is the lack of ability combined with a great imagination. Good for you! Have a great night!
Lies are words upon words and that is all you offer.
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This sums it up for me. I did enjoy PvP many years ago and would do the same thing; you would duel people or spar to get better. People would talk trash and then they would duel and it would be settled (for the most part people would say "good fight" after it was over). This is when it was all about timing and skill. Now PvP is about random things like casting focus & damage eater kicking in and people using those programs to script things. All I hear in chat is a bunch of whining and dodging from all the kiddies and people talking about 8v9 in field fighting. Again I don't blame people for going that route when that's basically what is needed at this point if that's what you enjoy but I don't agree with using scripts etc and lack of honor. I'd be interested in what PvP would look like in the new shard but Messana already said they aren't actively going to do anything about cheaters so likely won't be something I would do.
Captain norrington pretty much nailed it. "Worn down" is perfect wording. It was funny, and then sad, and then boring, and then annoying, and then painfully ignorant. It has only gotten worse over the years. I play a new game now, I sell
to pvpers, who buy items from my vendors with it, and then buy it back from me. Thats the best kind of pvp these days. The kind that doesnt know Im running a monopoly on their uo soul.
Current pvp ; Setup those scripts, get pinged by those ghost cams, login to the map server [dont want to get lost!], make sure your 'shot-caller' is turned up so you can hear thru the crying in discord.. To raid.. a couple of trammys trying to get pet scrolls.. Then they can roll on the meager profits by the number of players that attend. This is certainly not a profitable venture, and I would argue more griefing than pvp more often than not.
Oh. Unless you count 'Yew gate.' But if we are talking about 'pvp' I dont believe an area defined by a guard zone has any place in that conversation.
So to answer the question "Why do people hate pvp?" .. What is ultima pvp? Being griefed on a pvm template at a champ spawn? As norrington stated, the vast majority of pvpers are not fun to play with.
Have you seen global chat lately? Not exactly stimulating. Have you ever once seen a 'pvper' able to even count the members of their own team with accuracy? This is what pvp is. Very bad, very dumb players, that only find success in the absence of good players. [Who largely have moved on, to games that have more balance and competitive integrity].
I will happily buy an overpriced pet scroll now and then, Ill let you people play in the mud.
Looking forward to an early retirement. Enjoy.
to pvpers, who buy items from my vendors with it, and then buy it back from me. Thats the best kind of pvp these days. The kind that doesnt know Im running a monopoly on their uo soul.Current pvp ; Setup those scripts, get pinged by those ghost cams, login to the map server [dont want to get lost!], make sure your 'shot-caller' is turned up so you can hear thru the crying in discord.. To raid.. a couple of trammys trying to get pet scrolls.. Then they can roll on the meager profits by the number of players that attend. This is certainly not a profitable venture, and I would argue more griefing than pvp more often than not.
Oh. Unless you count 'Yew gate.' But if we are talking about 'pvp' I dont believe an area defined by a guard zone has any place in that conversation.
So to answer the question "Why do people hate pvp?" .. What is ultima pvp? Being griefed on a pvm template at a champ spawn? As norrington stated, the vast majority of pvpers are not fun to play with.
Have you seen global chat lately? Not exactly stimulating. Have you ever once seen a 'pvper' able to even count the members of their own team with accuracy? This is what pvp is. Very bad, very dumb players, that only find success in the absence of good players. [Who largely have moved on, to games that have more balance and competitive integrity].
I will happily buy an overpriced pet scroll now and then, Ill let you people play in the mud.
Looking forward to an early retirement.
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I enojy PvP when it's quick and to some degree fair.
In UO the playing fields is too unlevelled, gear, scrolls, etc. very expensive in the first place. There is no match-making at all. The poor noob is pitted directly against the highly organized 10 people guild. And once killed and looted it's a chore to find a healer, reequip consumables, armor, etc.
I don't mind PvP when it's just getting owned, but being able to quickly jump back into the fight. I causally PvP in a lot of games, just not UO.
Plus instead of GGs, UO PvPers (or whats left) rather enjoy to smack talk. Not my cup of tea either.
In UO the playing fields is too unlevelled, gear, scrolls, etc. very expensive in the first place. There is no match-making at all. The poor noob is pitted directly against the highly organized 10 people guild. And once killed and looted it's a chore to find a healer, reequip consumables, armor, etc.
I don't mind PvP when it's just getting owned, but being able to quickly jump back into the fight. I causally PvP in a lot of games, just not UO.
Plus instead of GGs, UO PvPers (or whats left) rather enjoy to smack talk. Not my cup of tea either.
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You keep saying that but I'd be willing to bet you've never actually attempted to learn pvp
1 thing in the entire game you can get at fel, and it's too much for some people
PvP will be enjoyable when there are actual incentives to do it. Power scrolls isn’t enough. It’s pretty boring after a while. Way more fun as a thief to steal them then the other aspects.
If there was a good factions system, maybe. Maybe if there introduce more fun elements it would make if more interesting.
Prime example for vets that remember. The Abyss shard was one of the most fun shards ever when it was out. Multiple team capture the flag. Different bases scattered and I believe there was a centralized teleported location at the Demon temple which was a nightmare. It was super fun because it was different. Tactics were different. Polymorphing into a chicken to make it harder to see and target was an awesome tactic.
If they then add points, rewards, recognition, etc. - gives you a reason to do it.
Also - my opinion is that the majority of people that complain about PvP when it’s not about scripting, is that they aren’t good or don’t know how. There are a lot of ways to learn - try venturing out there and adapt. Not like you were any better at PvM, crafting, or anything else until you put some effort into it. I’ll admit myself, I’ve stayed away from crafting because I don’t get it and can get much better stuff that spawns from the environment.
But what do I know. I’m just a thief.
Please carry on - so I have one place to go to steal things that aren’t insured...
If there was a good factions system, maybe. Maybe if there introduce more fun elements it would make if more interesting.
Prime example for vets that remember. The Abyss shard was one of the most fun shards ever when it was out. Multiple team capture the flag. Different bases scattered and I believe there was a centralized teleported location at the Demon temple which was a nightmare. It was super fun because it was different. Tactics were different. Polymorphing into a chicken to make it harder to see and target was an awesome tactic.
If they then add points, rewards, recognition, etc. - gives you a reason to do it.
Also - my opinion is that the majority of people that complain about PvP when it’s not about scripting, is that they aren’t good or don’t know how. There are a lot of ways to learn - try venturing out there and adapt. Not like you were any better at PvM, crafting, or anything else until you put some effort into it. I’ll admit myself, I’ve stayed away from crafting because I don’t get it and can get much better stuff that spawns from the environment.
But what do I know. I’m just a thief.
Please carry on - so I have one place to go to steal things that aren’t insured...
A lot of the posts in this thread really should answer the question in the thread title (sort of -- see below). Lots of insults, lots of vapid talk of "risk versus reward" or "easy mode" that doesn't appreciate just how little risk there actually is for the PKs, especially in the old days, talks of the need for "incentives" to do things that supposedly everyone wants to do by nature, and such. Of course even the question itself is loaded and potentially inaccurate. "Hating" and "not wanting to engage in" something are two different questions.
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If PvP is so fun, why do you need a reward?
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