Which client do you use?

[Fridgster]

I mostly use the classic client. I don't run on the newest of computers so the EC seems to bog my system down (which is strange considering I don't bog down at all with WOW). I must say though I like the fact that EC shows what my regens, DI, hci and dci totals are.

 

[Storm]

I mostly use the classic client. I don't run on the newest of computers so the EC seems to bog my system down (which is strange considering I don't bog down at all with WOW). I must say though I like the fact that EC shows what my regens, DI, hci and dci totals are.

When I first started using EC it was just to check these things also then it kinda grew on me! after time

 

[Gorbs]

Both. I use the EC for training skills, crafting, and bod filling. I use the CC for actually playing the game.

 

[temu]

I prefer the classic client because it has that genuine Ultima feel. Ah, nostalgia!

The particle effects in the EC are overboard and I have trouble seeing what's going on - odd because I have no trouble with games like TeamFortress 2, League of Legends, and WoW.

I'm happy that people can chose what they like, and it would make me sad if either client was completely axed. The EC does have some nice things going for it, especially some of the art on the bosses.

But still....CC 4 LYFE!

 

[Ashlynn_L]

This poll is still open because I believe the results are really useful, both to us and the development team.
But
If the attacks don't stop it's going to end up locked anyway.
Just vote what you use and leave the 'missionary' attitude out please.

I've avoided getting involved in the discussion but I wanted to comment on this. I don't think this poll is useful or anywhere near representative of the truth.

Small sample size aside, this is a forum open to everyone, including all those people who no longer play the game (some of which are very vocal about "classic" UO, whatever that may be defined as), many which I have seen post here regularly. So it's really not useful to anyone IMO.

 

[Martyna Zmuir]

I don't think this poll is useful or anywhere near representative of the truth.

Small sample size aside, this is a forum open to everyone, including all those people who no longer play the game (some of which are very vocal about "classic" UO, whatever that may be defined as), many which I have seen post here regularly. So it's really not useful to anyone IMO.

This.

In addition, the ability to swiftly create dummy Stratics accounts makes polls here all the more pointless (far too easily manipulated).

Data collection such as this would be perfect for an Official forum tied to active p(l)ayer accounts... Better chance of a representative sample without input of those not actually contributing to the game.

 

[Petra Fyde]

oh I don't know. I think it has already shown that more people use EC than some people are willing to acknowledge. No, it's not going to give wildly accurate figures, but it is a fairly ok rough guide.
Devs have real log in figures anyway, they don't need a poll.
As for 'dummy' accounts. Yes people can make them, but there's just one member of Stratics staff who has a level of access to check that out.
Me.

 

[Warpig Inc]

One the mains I play is a disco pack tamer. The 5 pet lifebars locked. Right click looting a must for a template that kills faster then 2 can loot. Ease of setting up macro even x5. 2 the 5 Frenzy are pre pub 16. 3d dawn had great options and left all my resorted containers in shambles. On and off EC till it was a no brainer better choice. As seen most new players are not going start on the 2d. As an EC convert the 2d now feels like a horse and buggy step back in time. Nostalgic peek. No way am I going to use 100+ storage slots to sort stuff to be viewed.


I have to go with CC is dead weight. And just going to take longer to advance. Like other tech in time it wont be possible to dumb up the code to keep CC going. Not going to plant roots in EC either. I want the day I slip on 360 goggles/headphones, stand on motion pad and secure the wrist straps on active virtual gloves. Look at the door of my place and reach out and turn the handle and step through the front door. Sneeking up behind someone and putting a blade in their back or stealing will mean more.

The poll is a little short not having the more then one account or never quit options.

 

[the 4th man]

I voted both, but more EC than classic.......classic is for certain things, but I am making the full transition. Classics just to......I can't find the word.....simple?

I'm old school, I'd take a 70 Dodge Challenger over a 2010 any day.........today's cars are software on wheels, I prefer to work on my own.....

The enhanced client is offering more and more.......selling items to npc's is sweet.

 

[Tina Small]

I want the day I slip on 360 goggles/headphones, stand on motion pad and secure the wrist straps on active virtual gloves. Look at the door of my place and reach out and turn the handle and step through the front door. Sneeking up behind someone and putting a blade in their back or stealing will mean more.

Ooooo...I can just picture someone who plays on the sneek while at work trying to get away with it if UO ever gets that sophisticated!

 

[Elicia]

CC

I really like EC with Pinco's UI, but with random CTD every 1 second to 1 hour, the client is simply not stable enough.

And this CTD is on multiple computers from duel core w 4GB RAM and 1 GB high end video cards running XP Pro, all the way to my top end Alien-ware with quad core i7, 16GB RAM, duel 1GB video cards and windows 7.

CTD is a show stopper for me.
That being said, if they could fix the CTD, I would switch in a second.

 

[Marcellis]

Bit the bullet and started using the EC last Spring. Going back to CC would be impossible now. Like going back to dialup after have high-speed internet.

 

[MalagAste]

Bit the bullet and started using the EC last Spring. Going back to CC would be impossible now. Like going back to dialup after have high-speed internet.

Agreed! I can't do it.

 

[pumpkin_escobar]

I forced myself to play EC 2 months ago for 1 full day and havent played CC since, once you get used to the look of things your eyes adjust, mine were killing me at first.

EC! EC! EC!

Gotta use Pinco's UI, a must!

 

[RaDian FlGith]

CC all the way.

My #1 biggest problem with the EC is that it's trying to be World of Warcraft, and Ultima Online IS NOT World of Warcraft. How anyone thinks that a 125-slot container is "convenient" is beyond me... would make more sense to me if they broke up our "backpack" into five 25-slot bags so that at least I could control where my stuff is and goes based on a typical slotted pack system.

However, I prefer the CC/"Legacy" containers, because to me, they are more immersive (and immersion in the RP of Sosaria is precisely why I still play UO)... the interface had a style to it that said, "Hey, you're in a fantasy world," not "Hey, you're in the grid, enjoy tossing everything into any one of your 125 slots!"

Which leads me to the issue I have with the EC: The legacy containers STILL DO NOT WORK PROPERLY.

Items don't z-axis according to whether you picked them up and dropped them, they z-axis based on some arbitrary EC setting. Which is why if I have sandals and a robe in my backpack, it doesn't matter that I just dropped the sandals into the backpack, if they are dropped onto the robe, they'll "appear" under the robe when I let them go.

The sensitivity of the pointer is also waaaaay off. It's so bad, I'm not even sure you could call it sensitivity. In the CC, if I see five pixels of an object, I can pick it up from underneath whatever is blocking it (hell, I can do that if I see ONE pixel of an object). Not so in the EC. Something prevents me from doing so.

This doesn't include the lag that happens if more than say 10 people are on-screen at any given time.

This doesn't include the weird skip/lag/whatever as you run through customized housing areas where it takes the client a second or two to catch up to loading stuff.

This doesn't include the innumerate other reasons that the EC is subpar.


I'll admit, I WANT the EC to be usable. I've wanted a replacement for the CC forever. Truthfully, the 3D client was that client if ever there was one, but they time they got it working respectably, they pulled the plug on it for the Kingdom Rehashed client.

Yes, there are a great many things the EC does well or better than the CC, but until the PLAY experience matches that of the CC, as far as I'm concerned, to paraphrase South Park, it can go to hell and die.

 

[RaDian FlGith]

Gotta use Pinco's UI, a must!

Then EA needs to hire Pinco for the UI, because the default EC UI sucks, and that's not a way to attract people to the EC.

I understand that Pinco's has an equivalent of the 2D book texture in it... but the default "book" from the EC... I mean, come on, even WoW fakes books with page-like backgrounds. Whomever thought "Hey, we'll make UO more immersive by removing the look and feel of it" needs to be taken out and beaten with a flat-screen monitor.

 

[Tanivar]

Whomever thought "Hey, we'll make UO more immersive by removing the look and feel of it" needs to be taken out and beaten with a flat-screen monitor.

At least a 42 incher!

 

[iamSnippa]

CC all the way.

My #1 biggest problem with the EC is that it's trying to be World of Warcraft, and Ultima Online IS NOT World of Warcraft. How anyone thinks that a 125-slot container is "convenient" is beyond me... would make more sense to me if they broke up our "backpack" into five 25-slot bags so that at least I could control where my stuff is and goes based on a typical slotted pack system.

However, I prefer the CC/"Legacy" containers, because to me, they are more immersive (and immersion in the RP of Sosaria is precisely why I still play UO)... the interface had a style to it that said, "Hey, you're in a fantasy world," not "Hey, you're in the grid, enjoy tossing everything into any one of your 125 slots!"

...

The sensitivity of the pointer is also waaaaay off. It's so bad, I'm not even sure you could call it sensitivity. In the CC, if I see five pixels of an object, I can pick it up from underneath whatever is blocking it (hell, I can do that if I see ONE pixel of an object). Not so in the EC. Something prevents me from doing so.

This doesn't include the lag that happens if more than say 10 people are on-screen at any given time.

This doesn't include the weird skip/lag/whatever as you run through customized housing areas where it takes the client a second or two to catch up to loading stuff.

...

The 125 slot thing I have somewhat mixed feelings about. Obviously as I've stated multiple times in other threads it causes me (and others) a great deal of lag. You are right that it takes away from the oldschool feel but it does give some nice features that I really like such as being able to find items in a container easier and being able to auto-loot (this I actually wish was done with legacy containers as well). It is a bit strange to me that grid containers cause so much lag. I'm trying to figure out why I can use OneBag/OneBank mod on WoW that gives me basically the same amount of grid slots and get no lag there, yet in UO obviously there is a great deal of lag when the slots are filled.

As far as the sensitivity of the mouse, I do not believe that is considered sensitivity, really all that I can say about the legacy container and items in it is that it is a programming error of some sort, it really doesn't seem to have anything to do with the mouse itself except for the fact that you use the mouse to obviously hover over the items. This is an issue that needs to be addressed and I wish I had remembered it when posting in my other threads.

By the way, when I think of mouse sensitivity I most often think of mouse acceleration and speed due to Starcraft.

I'm glad that I am not the only one experiencing that type of lag when running around houses or more than 10 people, I wish more people would speak up about this especially if it is a reason they do not use the EC. It needs to be fixed.

 

[clarkifer]

Classic!!!! the only client to use!!!!!

 

[Zosimus]

The EC client imo has many more features which are legal compared to the classic. Plus you add the mods made by Pinco just makes it a win win.

Does the EC client graphics and features need some work still? Yes it does but it still has a huge advantge over the CC and its features.

 

[Zyon Rockler]

I could never go back to the CC and now knowing what the EC can do I would probably sooner move onto a newer UI than ever go back.

One of the drawbacks for me is the setting up of macros in the EC. It takes a long time and although the UI is a big step forward, I think there should be pre setups.

When you log in to the EC for the first time, there are alot of blank squares. The whole thing is open. You can do whatever you want. That parts good but I don't think it works for everyone.

I think there should be a setup where you can pick for example, Paladin, Tamer or Bard or even different mixes to give you a setup that you can begin using right away.

For example: My Tamer/Pally/Mage/Archer or my Necro/Bard/Mage, they are very large files and have taken me a very long time to perfect and I continually tweak them. It would be nice to have a basic set that someone could download or pick from a list.

This way there would be no setup at all and people could begin playing right away and maybe just choose from different desktop styles to get them started.

The only thing right now that the EC does not do for me, is have all those icons fade away and then come back on mouse over because I am fully wrapped up in the game with no need for paperdolls, bags, or even a map that all can simply be opened with one click.

 

[MalagAste]

I could never go back to the CC and now knowing what the EC can do I would probably sooner move onto a newer UI than ever go back.

One of the drawbacks for me is the setting up of macros in the EC. It takes a long time and although the UI is a big step forward, I think there should be pre setups.

When you log in to the EC for the first time, there are alot of blank squares. The whole thing is open. You can do whatever you want. That parts good but I don't think it works for everyone.

I think there should be a setup where you can pick for example, Paladin, Tamer or Bard or even different mixes to give you a setup that you can begin using right away.

For example: My Tamer/Pally/Mage/Archer or my Necro/Bard/Mage, they are very large files and have taken me a very long time to perfect and I continually tweak them. It would be nice to have a basic set that someone could download or pick from a list.

This way there would be no setup at all and people could begin playing right away and maybe just choose from different desktop styles to get them started.

The only thing right now that the EC does not do for me, is have all those icons fade away and then come back on mouse over because I am fully wrapped up in the game with no need for paperdolls, bags, or even a map that all can simply be opened with one click.

I think and I'm fairly sure that the EC asks you about copying set up from the 2d client. Now granted it don't put all your spells into the boxes for you which is a shame but it does copy over your macro's to the EC.

I know for those curious there are examples of set ups on the EC forum. I have several set ups depending on the character type.... from mage/tamer to Paly/archer... Necro to Mystic.... fisherman to crafter...

You can actually even "save" set-ups and use them on different characters.... I have a "Base" set up that I use that cuts out probably 20 min of set up time for a new character. It's just a matter of taking and copying a set up you have on one character and renaming it for another.

 

[Mirt]

I am glad that so many people love the EC. That being said it seems like the same people are saying the same things about it over and over. My issues with it are that it flat looks bad, and that at least for me it doesn't run well. I will probably give it another chance when I get my computer, but I don't think that the numbers bear out the idea of giving it much more work until the art and graphics are up to snuff. I believe Grim said he was doing that and I hope he gets enough time and resources to do it. That being said I would say that the bulk of players that I know prefer the classic allowing and adding functional changes just makes sense in that if most people use it maybe sprucing it up is the way to go. That does not mean that the EC should be shut down but let the rest of the non art devs do things for the classic while they work the art up for the EC.

 

[Tanivar]

That does not mean that the EC should be shut down but let the rest of the non art devs do things for the classic while they work the art up for the EC.

They could make changes to the CC without changing the look & feel of the client much, if any. Two possibilities would be:

Adding a third set screen size of something like 1400x1050 to suit wide screen lcd displays would likely go over well.

Add switches to provide a choice between the two map types.

The poll has been running about 2 to 1, CC vs EC. If one client winds up with enough good points to over ride it's bad points and the other doesn't. The next poll might show a big shift in the numbers.

 

[Metalstorm]

EC for me.
I will still use cc on my netbook when I have to but that happens very rarely.

My choice of EC is simply because it's more intuitive for me. There's lots of features available in client (mostly thanks to Pinco) and it just flows better for me. It's not the prettiest client at the moment but it is being improved upon. I think I shall be content with it's good interface and smart, organized system (again, thanks to Pinco) while I wait for new art work.

On a computer that runs EC well it is a joy and a blessing for me to use.
On a computer that doesn't run EC well,... it can be quite a dizzying experience. Literally.

 

[Potgut]

I use both, but I still usually use CC especially while doing big hunts, vendor shopping, crafting, or decorating my home.

So far I love how the tarrain looks on EC, I can see myself permanently switching to EC once they sharpen the rest of the graphics.

 

[Merion]

tl;dr

But I don't think this poll is representative for the whole of UO players. Most forum users here are long time players and among those the amount of CC players tends to be higher.
Younger players often go for the Enhanced Client but seldom post here.

In my guild we have a 50:50 rating with the old timers playing CC and the newcomers playing EC.

 

[Aran]

Solution: Ban all younger players. Replace with older players... somehow.

 

[Tanivar]

Any chance of a Dev posting the current percentages from system records, and perhaps for every six months since the EC was released to show us the trend?

 

[Storm]

Any chance of a Dev posting the current percentages from system records, and perhaps for every six months since the EC was released to show us the trend?

I would not mind seeing this myself!
I know from modding the EC forum we are getting new people at least on a temp basis but would be nice to see the curve!

 

[Mook Chessy]

Been a CC since 1998...after reading most of this thread...skipped some TBH.

I will DL Pinco's and try it out.


Oh and FYI...I play on a Drive-in-movie screen!


*beat that*

 

[Ezekiel Zane]

Oh and FYI...I play on a Drive-in-movie screen!


*beat that*

NICE!

 

[Zosimus]

Any chance of a Dev posting the current percentages from system records, and perhaps for every six months since the EC was released to show us the trend?

I highly doubt they would. Even if they did the numbers would be high at first because so many tried the EC client and it goes up and down from there.

 

[Raptor85]

2:30 in the AM, no sign yet of an EC cheat or script program via several search engines and lot of search term combos. I'd say it's a really safe bet there isn't any yet.

Being tenacious, I'll hunt some more tomorrow, but if there's an EC cheat program out there it's not available to the public.

Score one for the EC fans.

seriously? i did a google search out of curiosity and my first search turned up 3-4 currently working cheats for the EC on the first few pages. They're out there and from what i've read quite a bit more capable than their CC counterparts (they can call on legal mods in the EC to do most of the dirty work). Not in common usage yet though, as CC's been around longer and everyone's alreayd using it there's no reason for most to switch yet.

So yeah, don't kid yourself, if the CC gets shutdown there's no WAY it would be the end of scripting/cheating in uo, and there wouldnt even be a gap where nobody would be cheating, everyone would just switch what cheat program they use :/ So long as it's profitable/easier and there's no admins/gm's around to ban them they'll keep on doing it.

 

[Ezekiel Zane]

2:30 in the AM, no sign yet of an EC cheat or script program via several search engines and lot of search term combos. I'd say it's a really safe bet there isn't any yet.

Being tenacious, I'll hunt some more tomorrow, but if there's an EC cheat program out there it's not available to the public.

Score one for the EC fans.

seriously? i did a google search out of curiosity and my first search turned up 3-4 currently working cheats for the EC on the first few pages. They're out there and from what i've read quite a bit more capable than their CC counterparts (they can call on legal mods in the EC to do most of the dirty work). Not in common usage yet though, as CC's been around longer and everyone's alreayd using it there's no reason for most to switch yet.

So yeah, don't kid yourself, if the CC gets shutdown there's no WAY it would be the end of scripting/cheating in uo, and there wouldnt even be a gap where nobody would be cheating, everyone would just switch what cheat program they use :/ So long as it's profitable/easier and there's no admins/gm's around to ban them they'll keep on doing it.

PM me a link to these EC cheats then. I spent five hours searching the internet and scanning the usual nefarious websites. I found nothing.

I know how to use Google too. I just spent another 30 minutes entering every search term I could think of for UO enhanced clients cheats and again, I found nothing.

 

[Ezekiel Zane]

seriously? i did a google search out of curiosity and my first search turned up 3-4 currently working cheats for the EC on the first few pages.

Just for clarification, the usual nimrods that pound every possible aspect of a program to find exploits will always find some if they put in the time and effort.

The search Tanivar and I were attempting was for scripts and scripting programs for the EC such as the one for the CC that cannot be named here. There isn't one.

I suppose we're on the verge of getting this locked so, we better take it to PM.

 

[Aran]

If they're able to always find something to exploit, how are they nimrods again?

 

[Ezekiel Zane]

If they're able to always find something to exploit, how are they nimrods again?

nimrod

noun
1. the great-grandson of Noah: noted as a great hunter. Gen. 10:8–10.

2. ( sometimes lowercase ) a person expert in or devoted to hunting.

Bet ya didn't know that?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/nimrod

 

[Jade of Sonoma]

*pulls hair* [my own]

This is going to keep going and going and going... *slaps energizer bunny*... until the Devs themselves come out from under cover (waving a white flag) to tell us all what the team wants/intends to do.

- - reading, listening ...interesting ...

 

[startle]

Classic Client for no other reason than because EC is fugly.

What she said: ^^^^

 

[iamSnippa]

nimrod

noun
1. the great-grandson of Noah: noted as a great hunter. Gen. 10:8–10.

2. ( sometimes lowercase ) a person expert in or devoted to hunting.

Bet ya didn't know that?

Nimrod | Define Nimrod at Dictionary.com

And yet he will only ever be remembered for the Tower of Babel.

 

[Aran]

nimrod

noun
1. the great-grandson of Noah: noted as a great hunter. Gen. 10:8–10.

2. ( sometimes lowercase ) a person expert in or devoted to hunting.

Bet ya didn't know that?

Nimrod | Define Nimrod at Dictionary.com

Yes that is totally the contemporary use for the word nimrod.

You nimrod.

 

[Ezekiel Zane]

Yes that is totally the contemporary use for the word nimrod.

You nimrod.

You mean it's not? Ha.

 

[Ezekiel Zane]

Aran, so I've read your posts you don't play the EC and you don't like the EC. Have you actually tried to play it though? Set it up and given it a day at least? I'm just curious.

 

[Aran]

Unfortunately I have been exposed to it. Thankfully the cure is a simple uninstaller.

 

[Lord Frodo]

Unfortunately I have been exposed to it. Thankfully the cure is a simple uninstaller.

 

[dupapa]

I occasionally play UO on my 46" LCD and have no issues with the Only Client.

aran if your on 1080P you must be sitting with your face 15 inches from your tv screen if your seeing 2d ok,

 

[MalagAste]

aran if your on 1080P you must be sitting with your face 15 inches from your tv screen if your seeing 2d ok,

NO likely he turned his resolution WAY down so that the game is all blurry and distorted...

 

[Aran]

NO likely he turned his resolution WAY down so that the game is all blurry and distorted...

Nah, I was using the CC, not the EC.