What happened to Fel?

[THP]

I play both feluca and tram..

I aint no pvp wizard!!

I basically stealth around feluca

Alas when i do get find out by the odd red i accept dying!!

What i dont accept is the odd idiot then kills u and says stuff crap like
i pwned u mother f**ker...im the man im ya fu*king owner!!
eat my ass loser....eat that sh*t!!
suck my **** ghost ...suck it good!!!
just like .....why??? what is the need for this crap?????

 

[Stigmatas]

If you need proof of pre-Ren UO's popularity all you need to do is have a look at the free shards that are t2a only shards and how extremely popular they are. Obviously I cant provide evidence of this due to Stratics' TOS, however it is very easy to find for yourself.

I bet you never even took into consideration how many PVM only freeshards are out there too. Shards where pvp is either discouraged, nonexistent, or consentual. Or how extremely popular they are. Due to the fact they cost nothing at all per month to play.

 

[Draxous]

No need to resort to personal attacks...I don't do those, normally.

Your LOGIC...not YOU...are skewed. Your POSTS are drivel...I am sure you are a very likeable person, yourself.

Your arguments just suck azz. They aren't even arguments. They are half recalled half truths that are seasoned by what you like personally in a game, and not by reality.

They are quarter truths, or less.

The facts are simple, really.

And what you quote as Facts are just your opinions. Real facts are backed up with solid evidence...like eight years worth.

Anyone can see that...well...except you.

To you they are facts. You believe them.

We all get that.

'Tis a shame you don't.

The funny thing is-is anyone reading your posts can easily see you've brought nothing to the table.

You have no credibility here. I look forward to the next hollow wall of text you're sure to provide, supplying no facts, no information other than your own naive, baseless assertation.

I'm sure you're a cool person too. As much as I'm sure that you actually believe that what you've said has any depth or actual meaning/logic to it.

chao

 

[Draxous]

If you need proof of pre-Ren UO's popularity all you need to do is have a look at the free shards that are t2a only shards and how extremely popular they are. Obviously I cant provide evidence of this due to Stratics' TOS, however it is very easy to find for yourself.

I bet you never even took into consideration how many PVM only freeshards are out there too. Shards where pvp is either discouraged, nonexistent, or consentual. Or how extremely popular they are. Due to the fact they cost nothing at all per month to play.

Are you guessing again or do you finally know what your actually talking about?

Knowing the truth... I know its the former and not the latter. While there are PvM shards out there, the only popular freeshards are those of the non-con PvP type.

 

[Surgeries]

Yes, I tend to agree with this, either leaving the game as it was or making separate PvE only shards with only Trammel would of been 100000000000000% better than the monumental stuff up that Ren was.

I may not agree with most of what you post for reasons for Trammel, and what happened as a result, but I most assuredly agree whole heartedly with this sentiment.

They borked it hard. And lied about it.

Definitely not cool.

 

[RoseBlue]

Fel is for most part dead its a giant housing lot with a few hot spots (gate of choice on your shard) and champ spawns other then that you can run naked all day and not see anyone

Yes ! True very true !
lol lol

 

[ONETWOTHREE]

What Happened to Our Once Great Facet is easy, a few changes by EA to the Game itself and a few silly publishes have changed who plays Fel now a days... One thing that affected Fel is when they took Stats Loss away from Reds and Made Reds abale to enter towns, now everybody has a red player, they all think theyre the best because in UO that we know today, being a murderer has no penalty attached to it anymore and everybody think they're the best, but when we did have stats loss and other penalties, NONE of them were ever red or would of dared join our ranks. Another Big factor is EA changed the age requirements on UO, which let all the kiddies come in, you know the unsupervised babies thinking they all bad? yeah those, which chased the Vets away. Im sure you remember the days where reds in Fel respected other reds? Not anymore, no honor, no respect NO NOTHING in Fel anymore and its a shame.

A Simple Fix to this Problem? BRING BACK PERMANENT STATS LOSS ON PKS...

 

[Surgeries]

The funny thing is-is anyone reading your posts can easily see you've brought nothing to the table.

You have no credibility here. I look forward to the next hollow wall of text you're sure to provide, supplying no facts, no information other than your own naive, baseless assertation.

I'm sure you're a cool person too. As much as I'm sure that you actually believe that what you've said has any depth or actual meaning/logic to it.

chao

You need a mirror, man.

I am more than willing to admit when I am wrong, and have done it, in public, on these boards.

You , on the other hand, have never ever admitted, nor conceded a point, even when you are absolutely dead wrong, that I have seen. Not once...no matter what.

And there is a saying that you should really heed...as should we all:

No man knows less than the man who knows it all.

I will state again...your logic is flawed...several very cogent posters have tried to show you this, but you refuse to listen, and hide behind your "Lol!! You really believe that!!??" rebuttal, and even when 8 years have proven you dead wrong, you still insist that all of the developers, opponents to your views, and about 98% of all game companies are dead wrong, and you are 100% correct.

So...tell you what...8 years Trammel has been out...and in 8 years the company that started it all has NEVER added another Non-Con facet to the game. The one there is is deserted...compared to the other facets. And if it wasn't for Power Scrolls, Fel WOULD be dead, completely, except for the small miinority that like Non Con.

You can say what you want, but those are facts that you cannot cogently dispute, or rebutt. You just can't. Well...you shouldn't...but you will tell us all again how even though 8 years and 4 facets later, with not one more Fel type facet added, that you are correct...but the proof is in the pudding.

If they add a Fel facet, I'll eat my words. I have no problem with that.

I am of the firm belief that the developers, themselves, along with Ralph and Richard, could show up at your house, and video tape a session, where they tell you, absolutely, that you are incorrect...and you would tell them, too, that they bring nothing to the table, and it is all meaningless text.

Of course you would...see...they haven't added another Fel facet for a reason. Likely lots of reasons.

One of those reasons likely isn't that they don't like making money, and that they are turning a complete blind eye to all of the tens and tens of thousands waiting with money in hand for them to do so.

Nope...they know that only a small minority will actually pay for it...

But ad naseum you will say I am wrong...that millions WILL pay for it...or at least tens and tens of thousands will, that aren't now...but if that's the case...why doesn't EA do what you say they should do? Why?

Why is there ONLY one Fel facet? It would be either because the Company doesn't like making money, or that the idea isn't the big seller you say it is.

8 years of history says it is the latter, and not the first, reason.

8 years of almost all MMORPGs having only Consentual PvP as their basis says you are dead wrong...that Non-Con is not appealing to a majority of people...

And 8 million lines of very logical explanations will likely not ever get you to concede these facts. You insist that the subscription line would have kept going up, and to the right, had Trammel not beed added.

You and I shall just have to agree to disagree.

And I will look daily to see if suddenly the MMORPG market "Gets Smart" the Black Rain way.

8 years of idiocy on the part of these companies? Maybe...

Or...maybe...just maybe...they know something you refuse to acknowledge...

Naw...that couldn't be it...you know it all.

And you know what THAT means.

 

[Cear Dallben Dragon]

they should have just guard protected roads and a couple dungeons...

 

[DENNAR]

Are you guessing again or do you finally know what your actually talking about?

Knowing the truth... I know its the former and not the latter. While there are PvM shards out there, the only popular freeshards are those of the non-con PvP type.

Let me ask you a question that would require you to guess.

If EA/Mythic added ALL powerscrolls to Trammel--what would the effect be on Felucca?

My "guess" would be that Felucca would be a complete ghost town. I see tons of Felucca based guilds that are after the power scroll control and the Real Life money they make from it.

But I am interested to see what your "guess" would be.

 

[DENNAR]

I should also add that I think putting power scrolls in Trammel would go a long way to help increase the player base.

I know several people that quit UO because they dont want to be forced to go to Felucca to get scrolls or to financially support the guilds that run felucca scroll business.

But then all the PvP players would quit---------------Or would they?

After all its about the PvP to them not the scrolls. I am sure they would continue fighting in Felucca---oh wait I made a funny.

 

[Trebr Drab]

Let me ask you a question that would require you to guess.

If EA/Mythic added ALL powerscrolls to Trammel--what would the effect be on Felucca?

My "guess" would be that Felucca would be a complete ghost town. I see tons of Felucca based guilds that are after the power scroll control and the Real Life money they make from it.

But I am interested to see what your "guess" would be.

The 3 guys at the Yew Moongate would claim bragging rights as the winners of Felucca, last-man-standing rules.

 

[Draxous]

Are you guessing again or do you finally know what your actually talking about?

Knowing the truth... I know its the former and not the latter. While there are PvM shards out there, the only popular freeshards are those of the non-con PvP type.

Let me ask you a question that would require you to guess.

If EA/Mythic added ALL powerscrolls to Trammel--what would the effect be on Felucca?

I am interested to see what your "guess" would be.

Interesting question. My guess would have differences to what yours is.

If you look at the items that are bartered and sold on all shards across UO, every single one of the items that hold any value are PvP related. From the crystaline ring/inquis gloves that are essential to running a basic necro-mage suit to the types of runic armor/weapons that are sold. Any and all items of any value aside from rares is directly related to PvP. 99.9999999% of which you can obtain without ever even knowing that Felucca exists let alone stepping foot in it.

I agree with you that a large aspect of Player versus Player conflict would suffer and quite possibly die off if this happened. Letting this happen would almost certainly topple the economy, which I don't believe you would think is a good idea either.

A large aspect of UO's "end-game" would be destroyed and I would bet that this would hurt the playerbase more than it would help.

Because, why do Trammelites hunt monsters DENNAR? I think it's pretty obvious that the vast majority hunt monsters in this game because of the rewards they yield. What rewards yield value? As you can see it's very cyclical and very dependent. I can't tell you how many people play both facets now-a-days... which is what the average Ultima Online Felucca player does.


I also do not believe that this would help improve the playerbase as you surmise. If the playerbase would be allowed to achieve all ends in Ultima Online easily, they will get bored, just as easy... (lets also keep in mind that powerscrolls are very affordable these days)


Without a constant influx of content from the Dev Team and without the PvP end-game... a lot (and I mean a lot) of players would lose interest in Ultima Online.


What little meaning there is left to playing this game, our inter-dependency upon eachother and the lasting consequences of our in-game actions is what holds this game and community together. If we do more to damage this, I really don't surmise how this could improve Ultima Online in anyway what-so-ever.

I honestly think, the "powerhour" issue will once again arise where Trammel players, who are able to hit the "end-game" in Ultima Online will get bored very quickly and quit. Since AoS, the Dev Team has had you poor souls running the biggest carrot chasing treadmill I have ever witnessed in Online gaming and I truly believe it is the only thing slowing the inevitable decline of your playerbase. The truth is-is that the average player of your type plays a videogame until they reach the end and then shortly quit there-after. This is why the most success of your types of MMOs are grind fests from hell... the illusion that keeps interest is that there will never be an end.

It's the "end-game" of Ultima Online that keeps us vets paying our subscription fees. There are only 2 "end-game" options available to us, both of which I love deeply. The first is in-game events and fiction... the second is Player versus Player interactions and conflict.

If we kill off either of those two... we most certainly will destroy Ultima Online as that is what 95% of our population is comprised of.

 

[Draxous]

Yes, I tend to agree with this, either leaving the game as it was or making separate PvE only shards with only Trammel would of been 100000000000000% better than the monumental stuff up that Ren was.

I may not agree with most of what you post for reasons for Trammel, and what happened as a result, but I most assuredly agree whole heartedly with this sentiment.

They borked it hard. And lied about it.

Definitely not cool.

I think we all agree on this.

 

[Omnius]

I should also add that I think putting power scrolls in Trammel would go a long way to help increase the player base.

I know several people that quit UO because they dont want to be forced to go to Felucca to get scrolls or to financially support the guilds that run felucca scroll business.

But then all the PvP players would quit---------------Or would they?

After all its about the PvP to them not the scrolls. I am sure they would continue fighting in Felucca---oh wait I made a funny.

Your idea is to remove the resource pvpers fight over, and as a result, your conclusion is that pvpers would quit or fight over nothing.

This illustrates a complete lack of knowledge on the subject other than trying to just argue for no reason.

Folks like you and surgeries seem to be in denial of pvp's impact on the gaming market. News Flash, you're not the only player that MMOs cater to, you're just the one that is most easily entertained by grind.

 

[phantus]

If you look at the items that are bartered and sold on all shards across UO, every single one of the items that hold any value are PvP related.

As with nearly all your posts you like to claim your opinion as fact. It's almost amusing. The thing about it is after so many of your posts in the same thread it's kinda burn out. You know what to expect in every post under the black rain name. Just another retort without much substance claiming why you are right and how the way you think is fact. Amusing to say the least.

BTW there are plenty of rares that have no effect on pvp and sell for more than any pvp item would ever hope to sell for.

 

[Atlantian]

Fel is dying. That's all there is to it! I go to fel and I see no reds, That's because fel is dying! I used to go to fel and kill reds all the time and now there are only s#$@ talkers there. And as far as the good items coming from PVP. That's a bunch of crap! Reds don't have anything that's worth taking! Their suits suck and they don't carry anything of value.

 

[Draxous]

If you look at the items that are bartered and sold on all shards across UO, every single one of the items that hold any value are PvP related.

As with nearly all your posts you like to claim your opinion as fact. It's almost amusing.

BTW there are plenty of rares that have no effect on pvp and sell for more than any pvp item would ever hope to sell for.

The only epic fail, is your reading skills. Here, I'll show you what happens when you properly quote someone. I'll even bold the important part.

If you look at the items that are bartered and sold on all shards across UO, every single one of the items that hold any value are PvP related. From the crystaline ring/inquis gloves that are essential to running a basic necro-mage suit to the types of runic armor/weapons that are sold. Any and all items of any value aside from rares is directly related to PvP.

As usual, your posts are the same non-contributing pieces of crap they usually are.

 

[Salty Pete]

If you look at the items that are bartered and sold on all shards across UO, every single one of the items that hold any value are PvP related.

I would love to see you PvP with your rare house deco items. Do they help you add damage or are they defensive bonuses? You know keep them laughing so they are off balance.

The items that hold value are the items that have the least supply. Most of these items tend to be decorative display items and old style common items that are no longer in the game. Items that continue to spawn or that are replaced by the next biggest and baddest stat modifier LOSE value.

Unless you are running around with a blessed Vanq katana from 2001 thinking you rawk?

 

[Draxous]

say.... what?!?!?

I wonder if some of you even know how to read...

?

L-oh-well

 

[Salty Pete]

The only epic fail, is your reading skills. Here, I'll show you what happens when you properly quote someone. I'll even bold the important part.

Wait, hold up.... Are you suggesting that stat modifers and all combat related gear is only intended for PvP?

 

[Draxous]

The only epic fail, is your reading skills. Here, I'll show you what happens when you properly quote someone. I'll even bold the important part.

Wait, hold up.... Are you suggesting that stat modifers and all combat related gear is only intended for PvP?

Wait, hold up... did you read me say that? I'm pretty sure that my only claim was that the value of the item is directly related to its application in PvP.

 

[Draxous]

Can I also add:

I'm not saying that items that are not that applicable to PvP hold no value, what I'm saying is that the market demand and supply for items in this game revolves around PvP.

Go to luna and look at the weapons and armor being sold. Its pretty obvious... well, perhaps not so much to a select few?

 

[Salty Pete]

Wait, hold up... did you read me say that? I'm pretty sure that my only claim was that the value of the item is directly related to its application in PvP.

I read what you wrote and it wasn't clear. That's why I asked. Also, I'm pretty sure you are completely wrong. Where is your proof? Got anything to back up your claim? No? Well then I guess you were right.

 

[Draxous]

Have you not noticed the spike in crystaline rings and inquis resolutions since the availability of 1 handed -20 to 25 spell channeling mage weapons has gone up thanks to the fixes to runics?

Its no secret that a necro mage is the ideal mage template for a PvPer.

Have you not noticed the prices of bows that are nothing special in PvE but are required for PvP? Compare the price of those bows with the price of those made for PVE...

Have you not noticed the value of PvP centric runic gear remains high even though there is a plethora of supply?

?????????????????

Do I need to explain things in the most minuscule of detail in order for you to understand or something?

 

[Salty Pete]

Can I also add, since people who have trouble reading are getting easily confused.

We aren't having trouble reading every post, we are having trouble reading your posts. See the connection? It's your horrible writing. Think your thoughts through a bit before posting them and try proof reading what you write before you submit the posts. That way you won't have multiple people responding to your posts with more questions and misinterpreting your half thought out unsubstaniated claims.

 

[Draxous]

Sure.

I'll work on it.

 

[Salty Pete]

Have you not noticed the spike in crystaline rings and inquis resolutions since the availability of 1 handed -20 to 25 spell channeling mage weapons has gone up thanks to the fixes to runics?

Its no secret that a necro mage is the ideal mage template for a PvPer.

Have you not noticed the prices of bows that are nothing special in PvE but are required for PvP? Compare the price of those bows with the price of those made for PVE...

Have you not noticed the value of PvP centric runic gear remains high even though there is a plethora of supply?

?????????????????

Do I need to explain things in the most minuscule of detail in order for you to understand or something?

Sorry, nothing in this post backs your claim that all items that hold "any value" are PvP related.

 

[Draxous]

I guess you're right just because you say so?

well, I'm off to bed.

have a good night!

 

[Scratch]

the realization that money irl could be earned thru ingame items is what happened to uo
people will sell their moms stuff if they have access to her acct and a paypal acct
as in the real world
money was the corruption and laid uo to rest

oh and AOS buried the coffin uo was laying in

 

[Salty Pete]

I guess you're right just because you say so?

You made a claim that all items that hold ANY value are PvP related. You offered no proof. Nothing to back that claim. You want to be right? Show me the money.

 

[Traveller]

no game will ever again make the mistake of forcing 90% of its players to be punching bags for a few anti-social jerks.

Eh? Check EVE online. 5 years old and more than 200K subs. With subs steadily rising.

I really think that, contrary to many trammel advocates, it is all a matter of achieving a good balance between risks and rewards.

 

[ColterDC]

If you think regular shards are bad, you should go over to test center sometime.

Those people truely are the scum of the universe. Especially considering there's nothing to be gained on a shard that is eventually going to be wiped.

After spending some time trying out some templates there, If those people are any sort of representative of the types of people left playing UO and the way people would act with absolutely no rules in place. I honestly feel like closing my accounts and saying screw this game.

 

[FarukAlazar]

If you think regular shards are bad, you should go over to test center sometime.

Those people truely are the scum of the universe. Especially considering there's nothing to be gained on a shard that is eventually going to be wiped.

After spending some time trying out some templates there, If those people are any sort of representative of the types of people left playing UO and the way people would act with absolutely no rules in place. I honestly feel like closing my accounts and saying screw this game.

QFT

 

[phantus]

Can I also add:

I'm not saying that items that are not that applicable to PvP hold no value, what I'm saying is that the market demand and supply for items in this game revolves around PvP.

Go to luna and look at the weapons and armor being sold. Its pretty obvious... well, perhaps not so much to a select few?

Look BR, no one is going to claim that pvp it's not a very substantial part of the UO economy. I'd even admit it's the biggest factor if, and only if, we consider that powerscroll money and sales are lumped into it.

The facts are there are many facets of the economy that come to bare on the economy. Rares, merchants and new trends(rubble anyone) just to name a few. Plenty of people buy and sell items that move the economy. When stupid gems(which hold no pvp value and barely qualify as a rare) sell for millions when they first drop they are part of what you call a pvp-centric setting.

You are so polarized against anyone/anthing that doesn't tow felucca line that you argue your points as facts without looking outside that tiny facet held back by the blue gate.

 

[Coppelia]

BlacK RaiN is wise.

Anyway... there's a lot of players having PvP chars in Fel and PvM chars in Tram. And some of them are immature (generally 20-30yo males acting like they were 11). So if you cross them in Tram they're going to insult you, kill steal and all for any reason, and if you cross them in Fel they gonna kill you (or try to) and insult you. I don't see any change there. It's been like that for years. The amount of insult in Fel is probably due to more tension caused by PvP (it's more intense than fighting AI). And it goes really down in the depth of racist and homophobic slurs on Test Center, where some players feel they have all the right (maybe because they can legally cheat to change their template?).

Personally I don't care about Fel because I don't have the correct template and gear to even learn to PvP there. They may be very numerous and all or just guilds of alts, I don't care. I RPvP in Tramm or I PvP in Lineage 2 (which is full PvP but don't have the problems UO had pre-Ren, yes the problems Rico denies).

I've seen insults in PvP and PvM games. Maybe in PvP players feel free to make insult flow because of the sensation of power PvP gives them, so it comes up easierly, but I think it's everywhere the same. The more players you have, the more chance for you to meet idiots. It doesn't stop other players being nice, respectful and all. That's why you can always ignore those poor sociopaths who are looking for a hug but don't know how to ask it.

Have fun!

 

[G.v.P]

Whattttttt Priam_Sonoma, when you see people say N***** in UO, you need to copy a s/s or log, and file a Help>Harassment>Verbal, because the N word is like one of the only things GMs consistently ban! Missed a golden opportunity ;P. But I don't know, Fel has always been uncensored in my experience. For this reason, you do not engage in talk once dead. Move on to your buddies, or, if you're at Yew Gate, well, just check out forums while you wait for flag .

 

[Magdalene]

This thread i SO going nowhere.