[Discussion] What do you think of this?

[lineman]

I don't mind that these were handed out. What perplexes me is why they were given out so early. The event is still a month away.

Having people wear it outside of the event totally defeats the purpose of the shirt. The idea is good, the timing was terrible. A big stink would not have arisen if the people who received these items didn't wear them outside of the actual event. Even during Nightmare Casino, those bone tunics were only initially worn during the event... Hypothetically, by giving the item out this early they could just sell it now for millions and not even bother attending the event.

Spin it another way, if you see someone with one of these tunics and would like to add an idea to bettering the festivities than this will be a great way for you or anyone else to do so.

And maybe instead of flaunting there actually proud and honored to be representing something Pacific has been desperately needing for some time now. It wasn't to long ago when Pacific had nothing for rares for sale or museums . This event has brought allot of positive attention to the shard not to mention a couple rares collectors have moved to this shard to open Museums.

 

[Pfloyd]

I don't mind that these were handed out. What perplexes me is why they were given out so early. The event is still a month away.

Having people wear it outside of the event totally defeats the purpose of the shirt. The idea is good, the timing was terrible. A big stink would not have arisen if the people who received these items didn't wear them outside of the actual event. Even during Nightmare Casino, those bone tunics were only initially worn during the event... Hypothetically, by giving the item out this early they could just sell it now for millions and not even bother attending the event.

I think you fail to understand that these people (i will have to admit i have one of these surcoats) have BEEN working since BEFORE the event on GL.

 

[Gunga_Din]

Why on earth do some people get so bent over this? Its an Item created especially for an event on Pacific. They took the initiative to ask and they were rewarded. They are holding this festival , putting in alot of time and effort. Using there own funds and you complain about a tunic? Do you complain after each em event if u don't loot something?

Heck, they are handing out free stuff all the time now.

Look at it this way, its a pixel, with a yellow name and its part of a game. Thats all it is !! Its not uber tunic that makes u invulnerable to all attacks and makes u unstoppable in pvp. Its just decor so please just leave it.

 

[Mairut]

Hello Everyone,

If you guys want to be upset with anyone it has to be me. I was asked if we could help support the player event by naming the Staff shirts to identify them during the event. Since I feel like we should support your events minus giving items I felt it was a good idea. This was not done by the EM, so please do not blame them.

What I mean by giving items is rewards etc for your events. The players provided the materials etc, I just added the name for the shirt.

I appreciate the fact that you admitted that you made the shirts yourself.

Perhaps you or the EMs (all of them) could come up with a list of things that need to be done for an event to be recognized in this manner? I'm thinking in the same way that player run towns have to meet certain requirements in order to be recognized and receive a town banner.

I understand that you can't hand out specially named shirts or other items for every joe, bob and kate that come up with an "event".

So... maybe a list of requirements that have to be met (player-run towns) and maybe even certain needs (I understand the importance of event staff, like tetricyde says, to be easily recognized in this event) for the people organizing an event to receive an item?

I understand that this rares festival would have to fit into whatever requirements are set forth, but I shouldn't think it would be too hard.

Hopefully instead of this being a mistake, it could set the precedent for more player run EM (or mod) -sanctioned events?

I think it would be fun for players to get more involved in EM events, without actually interfering with what the EMs do. This would be one way to do that.

Whatcha think Mesanna? EMs?

 

[GalenKnighthawke]

Hello Everyone,

If you guys want to be upset with anyone it has to be me. I was asked if we could help support the player event by naming the Staff shirts to identify them during the event. Since I feel like we should support your events minus giving items I felt it was a good idea. This was not done by the EM, so please do not blame them.

What I mean by giving items is rewards etc for your events. The players provided the materials etc, I just added the name for the shirt.

Suggestion, Mesanna....

Recently on Great Lakes we had a wedding, wherein the bride had a custom, EM-made wedding dress....That had a timer on it.

So it could not possibly become a rare to sell.

Leaving aside the question about how I personally feel about something that amounts to custom rares, it does create a perception problem. And that's almost as bad as a real problem.

So I'd suggest that you get around the problem the way the GL EMs did....Put a timer on the item. You can support player events and not create a new rare, both at the same time.

-Galen's player

 

[Gunga_Din]

The same effect can be done by simply making a guild for the event.

Either way, my words still stand. You can try to justify it all you want, but the fact is no stink would have been brought up if they weren't wearing them right now so much earlier than the event.

People wouldn't be crying foul over favoritism and what not if they were wearing these during the actual event and the people attending also got something similar for their "participation".

BS , they would complain if these were handed out 30 yrs from now on the final day of UO.

 

[Mairut]

Suggestion, Mesanna....

Recently on Great Lakes we had a wedding, wherein the bride had a custom, EM-made wedding dress....That had a timer on it.

So it could not possibly become a rare to sell.

Leaving aside the question about how I personally feel about something that amounts to custom rares, it does create a perception problem. And that's almost as bad as a real problem.

So I'd suggest that you get around the problem the way the GL EMs did....Put a timer on the item. You can support player events and not create a new rare, both at the same time.

-Galen's player

OOOh.... I had forgotten about that... Could work too. (I still like my idea better )

 

[Suzzy]

BS , you would complain if these were handed out 30 yrs from now on the final day of UO.

Please try reading my posts before responding to them. I clearly stated I don't mind that they were handed out. I'm simply pointing out why people are complaining and how it could have been handled better.

 

[Suzzy]

Excellent point Galen. Put a timer on the item and hand it out during the event to the staff. No cries of foul play and no problems.

 

[Apetul]

Hello Everyone,
If you guys want to be upset with anyone it has to be me. I was asked if we could help support the player event by naming the Staff shirts to identify them during the event. Since I feel like we should support your events minus giving items I felt it was a good idea. This was not done by the EM, so please do not blame them.

What I mean by giving items is rewards etc for your events. The players provided the materials etc, I just added the name for the shirt.

Please next time just do Shirts with timers instead of +100m valued shirts.

Since I feel like we should support your events minus giving items I felt it was a good idea

I just added the name for the shirt

Adding a special name on a shirt means create a new rare AND giving items.
Just saying...

 

[Lord Gareth]

Just wondering how anyone feels about this use of EM Powers?

To help promote an event that takes allot of time and effort? I say it needs to happen more on the shards. The rares fest is a massive thing to put on.

Just like the Goblin roleplayers on Chesapeake setup events with our Chesapeake staff and "Goblin Cages" were made for the events.

You are all complaining because you didn't get one Straight to the Point and Simple! Now I suggest you spend the countless hours of your own time to create an event like this.

And I must say what a WONDERFUL gift it would be to get a shirt for taking your time and effort to bring to your shard such a wonderful event. Giving someone a shirt with the name staff on it and then have players complain about it.... Wow.... just wow.

 

[Gunga_Din]

Please try reading my posts before responding to them. I clearly stated I don't mind that they were handed out. I'm simply pointing out why people are complaining and how it could have been handled better.

Your right, i meant they. My apologies.

 

[Kahlan]

Perhaps its best we stop looking at the thorn;
take a step back and see the bigger picture.
We can then admire the beauty of the Rose.

Manti & Line are on the right track!

....stares blankly.... trying to stay quiet... oh well not working... ander i love you and alea and the following comments in no way reflect on you... HOWEVER how can they be selective about who they pass out the crap to when I know for a fact tetrycide has worked his arse off and doesn't even get a hey there man thanks? that makes it WRONG and it is favortism we don't have to like it, it is however what it is... as for the rest of the trolls I don't care but I don't like to see a good person, player worker and supporter of the rares fest so blantantly and callously overlooked.

and another thing before anyone insinuates or asked no he didnt ask me to write that... in fact he prolly wishes i hadn't

 

[Suzzy]

No worries Gunga. It's a heated topic and everyone has their opinions.

As long as personal feelings are set aside and we can all discuss things calmly, we may be able to come to a better consensus for the future.

It looks like the timer thing is a great idea, imo. People who worked hard at this still get recognized without giving them a rare item that they may potentially sell at a later date for many millions.

 

[LordDrago]

Suggestion, Mesanna....

Recently on Great Lakes we had a wedding, wherein the bride had a custom, EM-made wedding dress....That had a timer on it.

So it could not possibly become a rare to sell.

Leaving aside the question about how I personally feel about something that amounts to custom rares, it does create a perception problem. And that's almost as bad as a real problem.

So I'd suggest that you get around the problem the way the GL EMs did....Put a timer on the item. You can support player events and not create a new rare, both at the same time.

-Galen's player

As I was reading down through the posts, I was thinking this exact same thought. Put a timer on the items, and make it prominent, so that there is no mistaking that this item should not be bought or sold. End of problem.

And, if people feel that there is a need for recognition for creating this event, create a memorial somewhere, with a list of names for each year the event is held. Recognition until the shards are closed, for all to see.

 

[Suzzy]

Another great point Drago. A monument or memorial would provide the recognition that is desired without giving the players involved millions of gold. If those involved truly just want recognition for their efforts, a compromise like this should be welcomed.

 

[Hurley]

You know that the group doing the rares fest could just make a guild to identify themselves?

All you did was make a new rare

 

[Gunga_Din]

I doubt these individuals will try and turn a profit on these shirts. To be honest, I could care less if they did. People take part in events on shards that aren't their own and loot unique items all the time. AT first, I was upset, then I just said to myself "who cares, power to them".

Its just gold and just a game. Just be thankful the EM's hand out anything that you might enjoy to collect or use as decor. Your not gonna loot something every time and you won't be involved in every event that has an item to be had. Thats just the way it is.

Either you have EM items in game or you don't. Do you want zero ? or a chance to get something? Even a chance to buy one of these shirts lol.

 

[Kahlan]

Another great point Drago. A monument or memorial would provide the recognition that is desired without giving the players involved millions of gold. If those involved truly just want recognition for their efforts, a compromise like this should be welcomed.

Exactly! Bravo!

 

[Martyna Zmuir]

Just like the Goblin roleplayers on Chesapeake setup events with our Chesapeake staff and "Goblin Cages" were made for the events.

The cages were static and given to the shard, not squirreled away in someon's pack. This is the correct type of 'reward' for people who do things for their shard.

You are all complaining because you didn't get one Straight to the Point and Simple!

That’s an awfully arrogant and presumptuous statement to make...

If you actually bothered to read the thread, only one person has come even remotely close to that. Everyone else is more concerned with the fact that RARES were created and handed out to a select few, an act which has been verboten in the past. This will only make the people who whine at events for items that much more bold and annoying...and right.

A monument/banner would have been more appropriate.

The excuse that the event coordinators couldn't have created a new guild is crap. MoA has ran very successful auctions on many shards for years without GM created rares to identify them, others can too.

A policy needs to be posted concerning the creation of these items ASAP before this snowballs further. Now that Mesanna has set a precedent with this event, she'll have to do it again, and again, and again... The jinn is out of the bottle so to speak.

 

[Aristillus]

I had fillet mignion for dinner tonight...are you as jealous of that as this simple pixel. I love the "rares community"


P.S. Manticore is right.

 

[mandosa-nice]

Messana and staff, you have to taking the example of alot of the other mmorpgs like anarchy-online by Funcom !

Create the rewarded item with name and make it NO DROP for he can't be tradable or xshard ...

 

[Mezzac]

Hello all,

Jumps on a soap box ...


It wrong - it thats simple.


"The rich getting richer, the poor get the picture ...... "
Midnight Oil


This event is self promoting thier own (the 'rare community') and thier hunger for money - it serves purily thier own self interest - I do not see it necessarily as building comminity as a whole. So I do not understand why a select few should have more millions stuffed inside thier back pockets??

"hops off soap box...

Mezzac

I'm well aware that everything is a far cry from alright ​

I'm well aware that all of us can at times be too uptight
And possibly the remedy is a dose of apathy
You point your finger at you, I'll point mine right back at me​

 

[MalagAste]

Messana...

While I applaud your efforts to bring community back to UO.... and I know how hard you work and I'm sure I know that you mean well....

I hate to say I can only see bad coming from this ...... as much as I would love for things like this to become more the norm.. for those who work hard and put forth an effort to bring events to the community.

I think that I agree timers on such items would be more proper.... And I'd prefer seeing things done for the shards more like adding things to the "environment that benefit everyone not just one guild or one group... or one individual but rather the entire shard.

Like the chessboard in NuJelm on GL's...

These things are welcomed....

But I must agree this does not bode well.

Sorry.

 

[shalanria]

I was gonna try and stay out of this one but oh well. There has been a hell of a lot of planning going into this rares fest. For months now they have been working on it. This is the first rares fest being hosted by Pacific and the organizers wanted to show there appreciation for the people helping to make this a extra special fest.

I can almost guarantee if it wasn't for them Pacific wouldn't being holding a fest. Pacific would have been overlooked like it has been for along time. But threw there hard work and pre planning they made it happen.

Please don't try and bring this fest down when it is still a month away. I mean have ya really sat back and read some of these comments. Come on guys wait for the fest to be over first

There is a HELL of alot of work that goes into any rares fest, Pacific shard is certainly not the only one that has given this effort. My hat goes off to everyone that has ever put on a fest for the players.

Shirts made for the officials is not going to make anything easier for any of us coming to the fest. I do not think we are all going to run our curser over people to see who is working, hence what is the purpose of the shirts except to do exactly what it has done, cause more UO controversy.

And I am with DVI. If it wasn't for him, the rares fest wouldn't even exist at all. I will say this for him, I have been to most of the fest and and I have not seen one person put more effort in this cause than he did. It was pretty much a one man show and it was a great event.

If I were the people putting on this Pacific fest, I think I would have opted to not have the shirts at all. It pretty much puts a shadow on the event which really is a shame IMO, especially that people had to be seen wearing them almost a month in advance which even makes it worse.

That being said, this is a player run event, always has been and always should be. If the EMs want to get involved, then maybe a machine should be put up at the fest so everyone attending or not attending can receive a tunic as well. Then no one has to worry about seeing one put on a vendor for 100m.

 

[Pfloyd]

There is a HELL of alot of work that goes into any rares fest, Pacific shard is certainly not the only one that has given this effort. My hat goes off to everyone that has ever put on a fest for the players.

Shirts made for the officials is not going to make anything easier for any of us coming to the fest. I do not think we are all going to run our curser over people to see who is working, hence what is the purpose of the shirts except to do exactly what it has done, cause more UO controversy.

And I am with DVI. If it wasn't for him, the rares fest wouldn't even exist at all. I will say this for him, I have been to most of the fest and and I have not seen one person put more effort in this cause than he did. It was pretty much a one man show and it was a great event.

If I were the people putting on this Pacific fest, I think I would have opted to not have the shirts at all. It pretty much puts a shadow on the event which really is a shame IMO, especially that people had to be seen wearing them almost a month in advance which even makes it worse.

That being said, this is a player run event, always has been and always should be. If the EMs want to get involved, then maybe a machine should be put up at the fest so everyone attending or not attending can receive a tunic as well. Then no one has to worry about seeing one put on a vendor for 100m.

Anyone paying ANY money for one of these later deserves their gold taken...
Who would want one that wasn't on the Staff????
they should be changed to "I was dumb enough to pay money for this surcoat!" If it were to leave Pacific

 

[Assia Penryn]

If this is to be the new precedence for events. I wouldn't mind it as long as there is some sort of system of requirements in place so that all those who hold community could request items for their staff or a souvenir for those participating in the event. I really enjoy the spirit of community and supporting the players, however I would much rather see it a system set up to allow all others who run community events to get support for them whether its spawn, items, etc. Being a member of the rp community and a rares collector - this has potential to add and inspire players as long as its done correctly and cautiously.

 

[shalanria]

Anyone paying ANY money for one of these later deserves their gold taken...
Who would want one that wasn't on the Staff????
they should be changed to "I was dumb enough to pay money for this surcoat!" If it were to leave Pacific

I am not the one that mentioned anyone selling one for 100M. That was in previous post up above. But then who would think that people would sell their personal named Valentine's bears for 60M? It is just the way it is.

 

[Pfloyd]

I am not the one that mentioned anyone selling one for 100M. That was in previous post up above. But then who would think that people would sell their personal named Valentine's bears for 60M? It is just the way it is.

You miss my point...i'm not knocking the sellers...It is someone stupid enough to BUY the item...those are the people that need to have their gold taken quickly.

 

[Mairut]

If this is to be the new precedence for events. I wouldn't mind it as long as there is some sort of system of requirements in place so that all those who hold community could request items for their staff or a souvenir for those participating in the event. I really enjoy the spirit of community and supporting the players, however I would much rather see it a system set up to allow all others who run community events to get support for them whether its spawn, items, etc. Being a member of the rp community and a rares collector - this has potential to add and inspire players as long as its done correctly and cautiously.

What shard are you on? I was thinking about sending my reply to this thread to the EMs of Atlantic (same thing you said basically)...

The cat is already out of the bag, so making this a regular thing or as regular as it can be with requirements would be a logical step (assuming someone can't come up with something better). It would definitely encourage more player-run events, and get more people to want to be involved in them.

 

[Martyna Zmuir]

Anyone paying ANY money for one of these later deserves their gold taken...
Who would want one that wasn't on the Staff????
they should be changed to "I was dumb enough to pay money for this surcoat!" If it were to leave Pacific

You miss my point...i'm not knocking the sellers...It is someone stupid enough to BUY the item...those are the people that need to have their gold taken quickly.

The whole rares market is based on items that realisticly nobody should want, they're pixels... rolleyes:

But these shirts, or any similar item, are desirable by collectors because there are only a few of them and they are labled/hued differently from other tunics. Eventually one, or more, will be sold - and sold for an obscene amount.

 

[Tetricyde]

* Directs Attention to Avatar to the Lefthand Side*
....My Avatar has one of these surcoats... who wants to buy it?

 

[Pfloyd]

The whole rares market is based on items that realisticly nobody should want, they're pixels... rolleyes:

But these shirts, or any similar item, are desirable by collectors because there are only a few of them and they are labled/hued differently from other tunics. Eventually one, or more, will be sold - and sold for an obscene amount.

I would be embarrassed to be in possession of one of these unless i was really on the staff at the time.

 

[Laina]

Anyone paying ANY money for one of these later deserves their gold taken...
Who would want one that wasn't on the Staff????
they should be changed to "I was dumb enough to pay money for this surcoat!" If it were to leave Pacific

Reading through the thread I thought this exact same thing...but then I thought of all the people who like specifically clothing rares. And, the Nightmare Casino Staff tunic was created in a similar spirit and now worth millions. Personally, it seems more of an rp item to me than something to stick on a vendor and sell for some crazy amount.

In the end, I do like that Mesanna has done this. What better item to give out to the people who spent hours planning a rares festival than a "rare?" It just fits to me. How is hours and hours of planning an event for the community any less than looting an item from a corpse at an EM run event? This is a large event that brings people from most shards together. At the last festival there were quite a few people from other shards that simply created characters to see what was happening on GL. There was always tons of activity and people sitting around chatting. I have had a blast at every rares festival I have attended. I probably had more fun there than some of the EM events where I spent most of the time looking at a gray screen or solving some puzzle/riddle that made my brain hurt.

Brilliant that they thought of asking for something like this. There was a post quite a bit higher that mentions the staff asked to include something for all the people that attend. Even better I say - something to commemorate the fun time. It isn't all about the gold all the time.

I will add one caveat to this. The can of worms is now open. There should be a set of guidelines in place to what constitutes the handing out of items and who should get them in community planned events. I don't know why some people would have gotten them and others didn't if they were part of the planning. Tetricyde doesn't seem nearly as upset about it as some of the other players are for him. If there are guidelines set up there can be no complaints of favoritism.

Ok I really shouldn't be allowed to post this late at night since I am rambling now...

 

[shalanria]

If this is to be the new precedence for events. I wouldn't mind it as long as there is some sort of system of requirements in place so that all those who hold community could request items for their staff or a souvenir for those participating in the event. I really enjoy the spirit of community and supporting the players, however I would much rather see it a system set up to allow all others who run community events to get support for them whether its spawn, items, etc. Being a member of the rp community and a rares collector - this has potential to add and inspire players as long as its done correctly and cautiously.

What shard are you on? I was thinking about sending my reply to this thread to the EMs of Atlantic (same thing you said basically)...

The cat is already out of the bag, so making this a regular thing or as regular as it can be with requirements would be a logical step (assuming someone can't come up with something better). It would definitely encourage more player-run events, and get more people to want to be involved in them.

Just keep in mind that just because they did this on Pacific does not mean they will do it on another shard. I found this out when I messaged an EM on one shard asking about a number count on items passed out at an event and he informed me that they didn't do that on their shard. I had an EM on another shard gladly give me the numbers given.

I personally think they should follow the same rule of thumb for every shard. Either do things one way or the other. Don't do special things for one and ignore another.

 

[shalanria]

The whole rares market is based on items that realisticly nobody should want, they're pixels... rolleyes:

But these shirts, or any similar item, are desirable by collectors because there are only a few of them and they are labled/hued differently from other tunics. Eventually one, or more, will be sold - and sold for an obscene amount.

I would be embarrassed to be in possession of one of these unless i was really on the staff at the time.

Well trust us all when we tell you, there is no embarrassment, especially when clothing is involved.

 

[Martyna Zmuir]

The whole rares market is based on items that realisticly nobody should want, they're pixels... rolleyes:

But these shirts, or any similar item, are desirable by collectors because there are only a few of them and they are labled/hued differently from other tunics. Eventually one, or more, will be sold - and sold for an obscene amount.

I would be embarrassed to be in possession of one of these unless i was really on the staff at the time.

YOU might be, but I absolutely gurantee that if one of those went for sale it would be snapped up by someone so fast your head would spin.

I happen to agree with you about owning/wearing them if you weren't part of the event staff...But thats not really the point of this entire thread.

 

[Mairut]

Just keep in mind that just because they did this on Pacific does not mean they will do it on another shard. I found this out when I messaged an EM on one shard asking about a number count on items passed out at an event and he informed me that they didn't do that on their shard. I had an EM on another shard gladly give me the numbers given.

I personally think they should follow the same rule of thumb for every shard. Either do things one way or the other. Don't do special things for one and ignore another.

No, I agree with you it doesn't. But I think it would fix this mess (and I think it's a mess only because some people decided to throw a fit over it) and add a new depth to player-run events.

And this can be about these items if you see it that way.

I'm thinking more along the lines of eventually getting players more involved in helping with EM events, not just participating. The EMs and mods can allow the players as much involvement as they wish... but it would be very rude to throw a fit about how the EMs "won't let me" and so hopefully we can avoid that.

We have player-run towns now based upon these towns meeting certain requirements, I don't see how the same can't be done for player-run EM sanctioned events (hopefully someone can come up with a better phrase for this).

Someone had told me, when I started playing again, that way back when their guild had won the opportunity to help out in an invasion, that they were the mob in it or some such.

I don't know how true that is, if it's even true at all. As unlikely as that was to have ever happened, it does sound very interesting. I think it's a neat idea, at the very least.

Pretty sure it was different than the comment that talked about the orc rp guild helping EMs on their shard.

That's just an example as far as players being involved in EM events. It can be absolutely anything they want it to be though, even if it is just getting items for starting an event on your shard.

It would certainly bring more interest to starting events.

As to whether or not the EMs and mods do it or not... Like I said, it's a great idea and apparently a couple of other people think so too, at least as far as being able to receive items from these. If they decide they aren't ready to do anything like this atm, then that's fine too. I think it's a great opportunity though.

Carpe Diem When life hands you lemons and all that.

I'm not going to get my panties in a bunch over whether or not they do this for future events on any shard, though.

 

[Tomas_Bryce]

Based on information we have,

Fact: This was not done by an Event Moderator.

Extrapolation:
1) There is no such thing as EM sanctioned player-run event.
2) EM's are still not allowed to give rewards for player-run events, as it should be in my very humble opinion.

 

[Tomas_Bryce]

I will add one caveat to this. The can of worms is now open. There should be a set of guidelines in place to what constitutes the handing out of items and who should get them in community planned events. I don't know why some people would have gotten them and others didn't if they were part of the planning. Tetricyde doesn't seem nearly as upset about it as some of the other players are for him. If there are guidelines set up there can be no complaints of favoritism.

Ok I really shouldn't be allowed to post this late at night since I am rambling now...

I strongly disagree with this assessment.

Player run events are just fine without polluting them with items and official guidelines. Sure feel free to enhance them by adding an official presence or adding a surprise jazz now and then but what you are suggesting is a road that is not going to lead anywhere good.

Not to mention, it would be a major time investment to enforce such guidelines - guidelines which are more than likely to leave a sour taste for many veteran player event organizers. It would be far better use of time to provide ingame tools to players to encourage more player events.

I have spent over a billion gold and countless hours running events in the past and I do not expect nor desire any official reward or recognition for it. If ever what you suggest happens, I predict a demise of the current EM program within 12 months of it becoming a reality.

 

[Pfloyd]

YOU might be, but I absolutely gurantee that if one of those went for sale it would be snapped up by someone so fast your head would spin.

I happen to agree with you about owning/wearing them if you weren't part of the event staff...But thats not really the point of this entire thread.

You are so right. I forget this is UO.

 

[Manticore]

It has been a long time since any thread on this forum received 80+ replies and still going kudos for that.

I think I am one of the few who is qualified to give a somewhat of a complete picture out of all this since I have no life in the real world and spent many nights in UO.

1. Messana is the associate producer of this game. With that title, she has the authority and a lot of power to shape this game as she sees fit. After all, her best interests I would think lies in the continuing subscription fees we are paying each month. With that being said, giving a few shirts out during a player run event will it cause people to stop playing? I highly doubt that. In fact, if anything, it made 25 more people happy because they were recognized of their efforts.

2. Some people claim this is the first of its type. Completely not true.
a. Nightmare casino - Legend
b. Player sanctioned Royal Guard Training group - Baja
c. Days of the Seers - All shards
d. RP towns where EM would specifically visit them to drop items - Europa
e. Golden Compass - Great Lakes
f. SL events where only people in SL received items last year - All Shards
f. Rare Festival - Pacfiic

I can think of a few more but I have to dig deep in the back of my brain. Bottom line is, these are NOT limited to any particular shard and NOT the first time it has happend. It is part of the game play. Some of you call it "favortisim" and I disagree. The proper term is "involvement". In each of those instances mentioned above, you had to be present, i.e. playing this game to get the item. Isn't that what's all about? PLAYING!!!!!!

People have all kinds of speculation as to why I have a sizable collection of rares. Some say "he just stupid and spends real money", while other say "o he uses hacks and cheats" lol. Truth is, I have 16 developed chars on 16 shards that took me the past decade to create and I've attended more than 80% of the events across all shards since season 1 (excluding Seige). You become good at something if you work at it and harder than the normal crowd its as simple as that. Now finally, I have a few people caught on this idea and are now giving me some competition. But again, key word is "playing". But more importantly, playing in such a way that will increase your chances of receiving an item if thats what you are after. There are plenty of players that don't give a crap about these items but likes to decorate, tame, hunt, or just hang out when they are in the game. And there is nothing wrong with that.

So, for those of you who complained of not getting an item, its within your rights. I sincerely hope aside from the complaints that you begin thinking about things that would generate a noticing by the higher-ups and hopefully you will get rewarded as well for the efforts. Didn't Sakarah said not so long ago in an interview that they are wanting to promote more players ran events? I think the town banners and festivals are just the beginning.

I agree with Tomas in that there shouldn't be any sort of guideline. The EMs are already working their butts off for what little they get paid for. They spent a lot more time purely based off volunteer hours to make this work. They don't need another set of guidelines to enforce. In fact, the developers are making it easier for them which is why they've introduced the vending machines.

"Get Involved - Play UO"

 

[Buns Of Glory [ATL]]

It has been a long time since any thread on this forum received 80+ replies and still going kudos for that.

I think I am one of the few who is qualified to give a somewhat of a complete picture out of all this since I have no life in the real world and spent many nights in UO.

1. Messana is the associate producer of this game. With that title, she has the authority and a lot of power to shape this game as she sees fit. After all, her best interests I would think lies in the continuing subscription fees we are paying each month. With that being said, giving a few shirts out during a player run event will it cause people to stop playing? I highly doubt that. In fact, if anything, it made 25 more people happy because they were recognized of their efforts.

2. Some people claim this is the first of its type. Completely not true.
a. Nightmare casino - Legend
b. Player sanctioned Royal Guard Training group - Baja
c. Days of the Seers - All shards
d. RP towns where EM would specifically visit them to drop items - Europa
e. Golden Compass - Great Lakes
f. SL events where only people in SL received items last year - All Shards
f. Rare Festival - Pacfiic

I can think of a few more but I have to dig deep in the back of my brain. Bottom line is, these are NOT limited to any particular shard and NOT the first time it has happend. It is part of the game play. Some of you call it "favortisim" and I disagree. The proper term is "involvement". In each of those instances mentioned above, you had to be present, i.e. playing this game to get the item. Isn't that what's all about? PLAYING!!!!!!

People have all kinds of speculation as to why I have a sizable collection of rares. Some say "he just stupid and spends real money", while other say "o he uses hacks and cheats" lol. Truth is, I have 16 developed chars on 16 shards that took me the past decade to create and I've attended more than 80% of the events across all shards since season 1 (excluding Seige). You become good at something if you work at it and harder than the normal crowd its as simple as that. Now finally, I have a few people caught on this idea and are now giving me some competition. But again, key word is "playing". But more importantly, playing in such a way that will increase your chances of receiving an item if thats what you are after. There are plenty of players that don't give a crap about these items but likes to decorate, tame, hunt, or just hang out when they are in the game. And there is nothing wrong with that.

So, for those of you who complained of not getting an item, its within your rights. I sincerely hope aside from the complaints that you begin thinking about things that would generate a noticing by the higher-ups and hopefully you will get rewarded as well for the efforts. Didn't Sakarah said not so long ago in an interview that they are wanting to promote more players ran events? I think the town banners and festivals are just the beginning.

I agree with Tomas in that there shouldn't be any sort of guideline. The EMs are already working their butts off for what little they get paid for. They spent a lot more time purely based off volunteer hours to make this work. They don't need another set of guidelines to enforce. The developers are making it easier for them which is why they've introduced the vending machines.

"Get Involved - Play UO"

Atta boy Manticore! :] Ty for post -- First time I think I've seen you use lol

 

[Tomas_Bryce]

Manti, only the casino and seers in that list are a legitimate comparison, both of which quite old now.

Everything else you mentioned is part of an official EM or developer event which is not analogous.

 

[Restroom Cowboy]

Manti, only the casino and seers in that list are a legitimate comparison, both of which quite old now.

Everything else you mentioned is part of an official EM or developer event which is not analogous.

Seems he was spot on to me...

 

[Suzzy]

You know, I don't blame Messana for this. She's been spending a lot of time dealing with internal strife (layoffs) and doing her best. She didn't approach the staff, they approached her asking for her to do something for them. It probably seemed rather harmless in her eyes at the time.

It seems to me that a group of individuals who are creating an event dedicated to rares would be familiar enough to know what is considered rare and what isn't. I see the point though. They wanted acknowledgment for their efforts. How this has all played out has given them acknowledgment.. for all the wrong reasons. All this fiasco has done is added negative attention to the event. I would have thought that people who have been spending so much time on this would have had better judgment and would have been able to foresee this. If acknowledgment for their efforts was the true goal, there were many other ways to get it without causing such controversy.

 

[NewThunder]

1. Messana is the associate producer of this game. With that title, she has the authority and a lot of power to shape this game as she sees fit. After all, her best interests I would think lies in the continuing subscription fees we are paying each month. With that being said, giving a few shirts out during a player run event will it cause people to stop playing? I highly doubt that. In fact, if anything, it made 25 more people happy because they were recognized of their efforts.

2. Some people claim this is the first of its type. Completely not true.
a. Nightmare casino - Legend
b. Player sanctioned Royal Guard Training group - Baja
c. Days of the Seers - All shards
d. RP towns where EM would specifically visit them to drop items - Europa
e. Golden Compass - Great Lakes
f. SL events where only people in SL received items last year - All Shards
f. Rare Festival - Pacfiic

I can think of a few more but I have to dig deep in the back of my brain. Bottom line is, these are NOT limited to any particular shard and NOT the first time it has happend. It is part of the game play. Some of you call it "favortisim" and I disagree. The proper term is "involvement". In each of those instances mentioned above, you had to be present, i.e. playing this game to get the item. Isn't that what's all about? PLAYING!!!!!!

Having Mesanna get involved is fine, however there should be consistency. Does it help the game to make 25 players happy if you anger 200? The items you mentioned with the exception of the Seer and Nightmare items were items in the course of EM events; in this situation players were given items that were not available to other players.

What should happen from all this is:

A consistent policy of when items and rewards will be given or created for players. Let players know what the standards are for EA involvement.

 

[Restroom Cowboy]

What most do not seem to get is that giveaways like this set precedence. Since this happened I know of two player run events where people are trying to ask event moderators to make items for them.

If you ask me, leave the items to the EMs and EM events...avoids any future confusion.

 

[Gunga_Din]

It has been a long time since any thread on this forum received 80+ replies and still going kudos for that.

I think I am one of the few who is qualified to give a somewhat of a complete picture out of all this since I have no life in the real world and spent many nights in UO.

1. Messana is the associate producer of this game. With that title, she has the authority and a lot of power to shape this game as she sees fit. After all, her best interests I would think lies in the continuing subscription fees we are paying each month. With that being said, giving a few shirts out during a player run event will it cause people to stop playing? I highly doubt that. In fact, if anything, it made 25 more people happy because they were recognized of their efforts.

2. Some people claim this is the first of its type. Completely not true.
a. Nightmare casino - Legend
b. Player sanctioned Royal Guard Training group - Baja
c. Days of the Seers - All shards
d. RP towns where EM would specifically visit them to drop items - Europa
e. Golden Compass - Great Lakes
f. SL events where only people in SL received items last year - All Shards
f. Rare Festival - Pacfiic

I can think of a few more but I have to dig deep in the back of my brain. Bottom line is, these are NOT limited to any particular shard and NOT the first time it has happend. It is part of the game play. Some of you call it "favortisim" and I disagree. The proper term is "involvement". In each of those instances mentioned above, you had to be present, i.e. playing this game to get the item. Isn't that what's all about? PLAYING!!!!!!

People have all kinds of speculation as to why I have a sizable collection of rares. Some say "he just stupid and spends real money", while other say "o he uses hacks and cheats" lol. Truth is, I have 16 developed chars on 16 shards that took me the past decade to create and I've attended more than 80% of the events across all shards since season 1 (excluding Seige). You become good at something if you work at it and harder than the normal crowd its as simple as that. Now finally, I have a few people caught on this idea and are now giving me some competition. But again, key word is "playing". But more importantly, playing in such a way that will increase your chances of receiving an item if thats what you are after. There are plenty of players that don't give a crap about these items but likes to decorate, tame, hunt, or just hang out when they are in the game. And there is nothing wrong with that.

So, for those of you who complained of not getting an item, its within your rights. I sincerely hope aside from the complaints that you begin thinking about things that would generate a noticing by the higher-ups and hopefully you will get rewarded as well for the efforts. Didn't Sakarah said not so long ago in an interview that they are wanting to promote more players ran events? I think the town banners and festivals are just the beginning.

I agree with Tomas in that there shouldn't be any sort of guideline. The EMs are already working their butts off for what little they get paid for. They spent a lot more time purely based off volunteer hours to make this work. They don't need another set of guidelines to enforce. In fact, the developers are making it easier for them which is why they've introduced the vending machines.

"Get Involved - Play UO"

Good post. What else needs to be said really?

 

[Ken of Napa]

I think I am one of the few who is qualified to give a somewhat of a complete picture out of all this since I have no life in the real world and spent many nights in UO.

People have all kinds of speculation as to why I have a sizable collection of rares. Some say "he just stupid and spends real money", while other say "o he uses hacks and cheats" lol. Truth is, I have 16 developed chars on 16 shards that took me the past decade to create and I've attended more than 80% of the events across all shards since season 1 (excluding Seige). You become good at something if you work at it and harder than the normal crowd its as simple as that. Now finally, I have a few people caught on this idea and are now giving me some competition. But again, key word is "playing". But more importantly, playing in such a way that will increase your chances of receiving an item if thats what you are after. There are plenty of players that don't give a crap about these items but likes to decorate, tame, hunt, or just hang out when they are in the game. And there is nothing wrong with that.


"Get Involved - Play UO"

I'm still not completely sure how I feel about this. I can see both sides, and think that while it may not have been the perfect thing to do. It's still nice that something was done in recognition of this event and all the work that went into something that brings so many players together..

The one thing I am sure of is WOW !!! Manti I've held you in respect since I first beacme aware of your involvment with rares, but I now hold you in a higher regard

I have developed characters on 5 shards. But come nowhere 80% participation on my home shard of Napa, much less on each of the shards I play!

I'm talking any year, much less than every year since season one!!!