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LordDextonious
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How would people prove they served in the military? Seems a bit outlandish.
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EA didn't have any way of knowing who was in the military and who wasn't, they just shut off refreshing for those of their players who were in the military, a kind of good will gesture.
GET RID OF WBTB HOUSES!!
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Der Rock
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i do this sometimes,next house saving time will be start soon(assumed EC is still BETA).
i´ll go back to 1 acc open every 2 month for house saving
and if EA change this 90day period,what will be the result?
many "house saver" acc. will get closed for ever.
do you realy think UO need another 20-30% acc. loss ?
6x 30d gtc7y is more then 0x gtc/y , right?
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Salya Sin
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You don't have to manually turn the account off... just don't pay them. Remove your billing info... have a card bounce... anything like that. I once forgot to update my card with their site... it expired... and I almost had my account suspended. They sent me... like 5 emails... one every day starting when they went to pre=charge.
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LordDextonious
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i do this sometimes,next house saving time will be start soon(assumed EC is still BETA).
i´ll go back to 1 acc open every 2 month for house saving
and if EA change this 90day period,what will be the result?
many "house saver" acc. will get closed for ever.
do you realy think UO need another 20-30% acc. loss ?
6x 30d gtc7y is more then 0x gtc/y , right?
Fair 'nuff... Still though... After 90 days, Let them fall!!!
GET RID OF WBTB HOUSES!!!
DEATH TO ALL WBTB HOMES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Salya Sin
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Still hoping they will respond... though there doesn't appear to be anything on the Ask the Dev's about it yet. 
You're right it is an annoying and ridiculously long-standing bug. You do realize that if you placed these houses years ago, that there have been like 3 WBTB promotions since then. You could just as easily, during the promotion, login and drop the houses.
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LordDextonious
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Sure wish I knew about this bug long ago... I'd have over 100 houses... Just for fun. But come next promo... I will have about 30. Because there doesn't seem to be much hope in taking a look, or getting a handle on this situation.
DROP THE WBTB HOUSES!!! 
DROP THE WBTB HOUSES!!!
Has anyone put this question forth in the "Ask the Devs" forum/thread?
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UOKaiser
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Do ya need a house? I find large spots all the time in the most populated shard? Have ya being looking?
the point is these houses should be collapsed because they are bugged. has nothing to do with whether there are spots available or not.
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UOKaiser
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Many things are bugged. Those houses aint gonna have anything of value so idoc hunters are out of luck. Can't even tell which house is which. I activate my unused accounts once every 3 months to keep extra houses. Im pretty sure the dev are aware of the issue. So in reality who really cares unless they can't find a spot. If they can't I'll be happy to help them find one.
what, like the reveal spell being too loud?
nope, sorry, the point is not that idoc hunters need something. and I will say it for a second time, it is not because people can't find a spot. try again.
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UOKaiser
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I got it it's because it's bugged. But am sure there smart enough to know that and if and when they do something it will be up to them on there schedule. Till then oh well it's not a life changing thing.
nope, it's not, but the way to get things to happen when it comes to UO is to raise the issue. i'm sure you realize they don't fix things randomly.
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LordDextonious
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I have, and several probably have...
And the issue isn't being able to loot all the homes, I personally would like the bugged houses to just disappear. They aren't being paid for anyhow.
So really, what's the pros and cons of getting rid of the BUGGED HOUSES!?!?
Pro's:
-Many people will be happy finding room to build a decent size house.
Therefore increasing the satisfaction of loyal paying customers-Upsizing your plot is always a good thing seems how the house(s) next door isn't being paid for anyhow...
Also increasing customer satisfaction.-If people found big plots, they STILL just might get another account just to have 2 big homes!!??
Increase Customer Satisfaction & COULD Increase Revenue $$-We need room to store all these new items, instead of trashing things we can live without, though we would rather not get rid of.
Still... Customer Satisfaction & COULD Increase Revenue $$-If other players from different shards are putting houses on all shards just to have a free storage, it just might make people get more accounts once they realize they can't do that anymore...
Increase Satisfaction, COULD Increase RevenueCON's:
-Players will get sick of holding houses knowing there is nothing going to be done about it, and the problem will get worse every Welcome Back Promo.
Decrease Satisfaction (already occurring) People closing accts = LOSS revenue ( already occurring by me at least) Hmmm... a Pro for customers forking out cash for nothing.-Loyal paying customers will go off and place more bugged houses, so they will feel they don't need to pay for the accounts holding houses hoping for land to free-up.
Decrease satisfaction because we won't get to upsize, Increase Satisfaction because we will get to have bugged homes for storage... Guess that's a Pro too...-Some areas will be covered in castles and keeps... Too late actually. Already happening so where's the con?
-There will be nowhere for new players to place a plot??
Hardly, there are several spots available on all shards pretty much.
Hmmm... Can anyone think of any more Con's that don't involve pro's for the paying customer??
Oh...
-EA Mythic will have to figure out how to solve this issue.
Is that a Pro or a Con... Someone that can make a difference should let us know.
I think that either whoever gets these emails either deletes them or else EA isn't giving UO the manpower to do the things considered low priority, like this issue (more likely the latter).
Either way though, they told us the "owned by OSI" houses would be deleted if we sent in the shard, facet and coords. I don't know if this includes the WBTB houses, but if it doesn't, it SHOULD!
DROP THE WBTB HOUSES!!!
Either way though, they told us the "owned by OSI" houses would be deleted if we sent in the shard, facet and coords. I don't know if this includes the WBTB houses, but if it doesn't, it SHOULD!
DROP THE WBTB HOUSES!!!
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LordDextonious
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Well, we don't even know that it is a priority at all... they just might make us live with this bug, and deal with it.
DROP THE WBTB HOUSES!!!
DROP THE WBTB HOUSES!!!
i have to say, i hate that there ARE these house, but at the same time i was one of the ones that figured it out in the beginning and am now sitting on 12 of them scattered on a number of shards.
so im caught in the middle.
it sucks, yes, but it gives me access to play on other shards that i normally wouldnt have had.
so im caught in the middle.
it sucks, yes, but it gives me access to play on other shards that i normally wouldnt have had.
What's sad is that even with all these WBTB houses all over, as well as the owned by OSI ones too, there is still space to put down more houses all over all the shards. I play Pacific and in the last two weeks, I've filled up two rune books, in Tram only, with spots for a house. Included are many spots for an 18x18. I imagine it's the same in Fel.
I agree that it's a major rub if you can't upsize your place or place a keep or castle because of one of these houses. I'm just saying, there's still an insane amount of places for houses available considering at one time you couldn't even place a 7x7 in Fel on Pacific.
Soooooooooooooo...no response from anyone at EA yet???
I'm shocked.
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I'm shocked.
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i think there may also be a difference in the type of person placing the houses.
cause i went out of the way and put small mini towers up as the houses i used.
and i put them in the middle of the forests where they would not black other houses.
that and i didnt want neighbors, hehe.
so i know that none of my houses are blocking anyones upgrade to keep or castles.
but i feel the pain.
i had some little 7x7 house in front of my fel keep for years and years.
and it finally fell last year and i was able to upsize to a caslte.
cause i went out of the way and put small mini towers up as the houses i used.
and i put them in the middle of the forests where they would not black other houses.
that and i didnt want neighbors, hehe.
so i know that none of my houses are blocking anyones upgrade to keep or castles.
but i feel the pain.
i had some little 7x7 house in front of my fel keep for years and years.
and it finally fell last year and i was able to upsize to a caslte.
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LordDextonious
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Well Poo, awfully sincere of you to use this bug while keeping other players in mind... HAHA... Wish you would've told us to place houses for free storage when u found out about it.
If only the developers were as thoughtful as you.
If only the developers were as thoughtful as you.
Same boat at Poo.
I have several houses on other shards with Return to Brit accounts that I use for my 'home away from home'.
If you shut these off, I'll have to try to stuff all this crap in my bank boxes its or just toss it. There will be nothing to idoc.
I terms of house space - one of the shards is an overseas shard. I have an 18x18 house that could be SURROUNDED by 18x18's as no one and I mean NO ONE plays that shard.
I really think each acct should be allowed 2-3 houses in UO provided they are not on the same shard. There is no way I'd pay for 5 accounts to hold all these houses but I do enjoy playing other shards.
Honestly if you saw all these houses drop it would immediately become apparent how few people actually play this game anymore. You will have huge swaths of open housing on all shards. Only maybe Pac and Atlantic would get swallowed up.
As it is now you can place max storage houses on GL.
Devs if you fix this - just give us some heads up on it.
The problem is that they decay houses by running a script that looks for accounts that hit the 90 day inactive mark each day. When run - it marks their houses for decay and they start the cycle. Well, if you place the house during RTB - then you account was never 'active'. So when the script runs - your account was inactive 360 days or whatever - never exactly 90. They did this as a cheap programming tactic because if they did 90 or GREATER then it would keep setting houses in decay back to state one. It is poor programming but a 'feature' that many vets enjoy with old accounts.
I sure liked the return to brit to pick up the extra gifts and some vet rewards. I got access to some friends accounts that had vet rewards and claimed like 20 crystal portals on GL. Those sell like hot cakes for 5m each. LOL.
RTB is a huge money maker! For me at least......
I have several houses on other shards with Return to Brit accounts that I use for my 'home away from home'.
If you shut these off, I'll have to try to stuff all this crap in my bank boxes its or just toss it. There will be nothing to idoc.
I terms of house space - one of the shards is an overseas shard. I have an 18x18 house that could be SURROUNDED by 18x18's as no one and I mean NO ONE plays that shard.
I really think each acct should be allowed 2-3 houses in UO provided they are not on the same shard. There is no way I'd pay for 5 accounts to hold all these houses but I do enjoy playing other shards.
Honestly if you saw all these houses drop it would immediately become apparent how few people actually play this game anymore. You will have huge swaths of open housing on all shards. Only maybe Pac and Atlantic would get swallowed up.
As it is now you can place max storage houses on GL.
Devs if you fix this - just give us some heads up on it.
The problem is that they decay houses by running a script that looks for accounts that hit the 90 day inactive mark each day. When run - it marks their houses for decay and they start the cycle. Well, if you place the house during RTB - then you account was never 'active'. So when the script runs - your account was inactive 360 days or whatever - never exactly 90. They did this as a cheap programming tactic because if they did 90 or GREATER then it would keep setting houses in decay back to state one. It is poor programming but a 'feature' that many vets enjoy with old accounts.
I sure liked the return to brit to pick up the extra gifts and some vet rewards. I got access to some friends accounts that had vet rewards and claimed like 20 crystal portals on GL. Those sell like hot cakes for 5m each. LOL.
RTB is a huge money maker! For me at least......
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LordDextonious
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Well, sounds like it would be easy to implement a script that works for the promotion-placed houses then...
So you're saying, in essence, that you're part of the problem
Not all shards have the housing space that you refer to in your post and these WBTB houses are just a way for ppl like you to cheat the system.
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LordDextonious
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I don't blame them one bit. I wish I would've known about the bug. I too am frusterated that this has been going on so long, and frusterated I can't get land to build a bigger house too because of all the bugged houses. Allthough if I had known, I have 30+ accounts that are inactive from back in the day, I'd have well over a hundred houses by now.
And so EA should drop the RTB houses so you can drop all yours - place a castle and close like 5 accounts? How would that help them?
And you could have just taken that $780 and bought yourself 2 castles instead. Oops.
Or 12 xfer tokens to go to a shard where castles are a dime a dozen.
I didn't write the crappy code - i just play the game.
The only shards that *might* have a housing problem in the US are Altantic and Pacific. All the rest are a joke. You can spend 30 min and place a max storage house. I've found at least 30 of these plots in the past 6 months on Great Lakes.
I'd prefer they'd give us more space to store stuff and I wouldn't need these extra homes or more than 1 per account provided diff shards. I don't want to pay for 6 accounts to play 6 shards if I want a house on the shards. That will never happen.
Why play diff shards? Each shard has differnt community and time zones for EM events etc.
I've decided I'm with Theo on this one. If they don't fix this by the next Return to Britannia promotion I'm placing six more houses on my inactive accounts.
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Megilhir
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No. Absolutely not.
If an account is active the house(s) stand.
Before I retired from the Army I had to have friends dedicated to refreshing my home(s) while I was deployed.
Additionally, having "grandfathered" homes across 5 shards makes for a pain to refresh.
The "Keep your account active or it drops." policy works quite well thanks.
I agree that if accounts go inactive the houses should drop at random times. By the way, when a house drops now nothing falls to the ground. House decaying waiting is long gone.
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Reximus
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What crack are you on?
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Megilhir
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Developer posting Crack. You?
Of course they could be incorrect. And based on the posts I have read here that is a definate possibility.
Of course they could be incorrect. And based on the posts I have read here that is a definate possibility.
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Megilhir
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You are a consistent and accurate poster.
Well reasoned with good insight.
So I wonder, would houses decay if multiples across multiple shards were placed again?
Perhaps I will test this on my second account? Place a home on <any shard> and another on a different shard. See what occurs.
What is your take?
I'm pretty sure that even with the current situation with the WBtB houses, you're still only allowed one house per account. So even on one of these accounts, during the promotions, if you place one house, then place another, it should still condemn the first house. It should. I dunno, it could be so messed up that on non-paying inactive accounts, during the promotion, you could place houses all over the place. Something interesting to test come the next Welcome back to Britannia promotion.
Also thank you for the kind words. I do aim to help when I can.
Also thank you for the kind words. I do aim to help when I can.
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LordDextonious
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Well, you are arguing against us and with yourself at this point.
1. You are asking for more storage, and we are asking that the neighboring "BUGGED" houses to ours fall so we can place a larger home. Giving us more storage.
2. Your opinion right now, is that you wouldn't pay for another account because you found out the bug before most did. Alternatively, if you never had the bugged houses, you might have been more interested in buying another account to expand your gameplay.
Still... I don't blame you. I would've done the same thing had I known about this bug. I stated earlier, I'd have over 100 houses by now. But I want to play pacific. And I would like to upgrade a couple locations.
If this isn't fixed by next welcome back promo, they will have lost a few accts of mine... AT LEAST a few. I can afford the accounts, so it's no big issue... It's the principle.
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Megilhir
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Last night at 9:00 PM I set out on Pacific on my sole alternate account to place another home. I currently have a small wizard tower (8x7) placed with this second account on Atlantic.
(That house is for sale by the way, a beautiful location right on the road just north of the Skara/Brit crossroads.)
I dared not do this double placement on my primary account due to the grandfathered homes across 5 shards.
Anyway, this post is beginning to wander. Much like my attempt to test the multiple shard theory.
SO!
I logged on Camthalion and prepared to depart the Olde Schula Tower (16 x 14) on Pacific when I noticed an ettin wandering down the coast toward my home.
As poor Camthalion is a mere beginning Miner/Smith (destined for olde schula PvP mining) his weapon skills simply aren't. So the battle raged back and forth for a few minutes.
Then I decided Camthalion needed a better weapon. I logged him out and logged in the GM Smith who is being leveled to Legendary. As I went through her packs I noticed her ingot supply was low and so decided to recall around seeking ingots from NPCs at reasonable prices.
Well this led to having to go back and forth between the bank, the tower and different cities. I eventually made a GM Kryss for Camthalion and decided he needed one with Spell Channeling (SC). So I logged out the Smith and logged in the Mage to go farm Rune Beetles for an SC fencing weapon.
After three weight trips to the bank and a few sacks of unraveling gear I noticed the Tower chests getting full.
I logged the Smith back in the Unravel the items. Then I noticed that her weight and storage was excessive and decided to transfer the gems and Unraveled components from the Tower to the Bank.
Once in the Bank I saw a rune to a vender that claimed to have SC weapons. (Still had not found a suitable one for Camthalion) and Recalled to that location.
It was full of overpriced junk very similar to what I have just Unraveled. I ran around the immediate area but no other suitable venders immediately available. Then the wolfhound (pictured in my avatar) wanted to go outside...
After returning I noticed it was now 11:00 PM and I decided I had better get some sleep before awaking at 6:00 for work the next morning.
There you have it. An adventurous and wandering night of not actually placing another home on Pacific to see the affect (if any) on the Atlantic small Wizards Tower (which is still for sale by the way. And it is a great vender location.)
...the adventure continues.
(That house is for sale by the way, a beautiful location right on the road just north of the Skara/Brit crossroads.)
I dared not do this double placement on my primary account due to the grandfathered homes across 5 shards.
Anyway, this post is beginning to wander. Much like my attempt to test the multiple shard theory.
SO!
I logged on Camthalion and prepared to depart the Olde Schula Tower (16 x 14) on Pacific when I noticed an ettin wandering down the coast toward my home.
As poor Camthalion is a mere beginning Miner/Smith (destined for olde schula PvP mining) his weapon skills simply aren't. So the battle raged back and forth for a few minutes.
Then I decided Camthalion needed a better weapon. I logged him out and logged in the GM Smith who is being leveled to Legendary. As I went through her packs I noticed her ingot supply was low and so decided to recall around seeking ingots from NPCs at reasonable prices.
Well this led to having to go back and forth between the bank, the tower and different cities. I eventually made a GM Kryss for Camthalion and decided he needed one with Spell Channeling (SC). So I logged out the Smith and logged in the Mage to go farm Rune Beetles for an SC fencing weapon.
After three weight trips to the bank and a few sacks of unraveling gear I noticed the Tower chests getting full.
I logged the Smith back in the Unravel the items. Then I noticed that her weight and storage was excessive and decided to transfer the gems and Unraveled components from the Tower to the Bank.
Once in the Bank I saw a rune to a vender that claimed to have SC weapons. (Still had not found a suitable one for Camthalion) and Recalled to that location.
It was full of overpriced junk very similar to what I have just Unraveled. I ran around the immediate area but no other suitable venders immediately available. Then the wolfhound (pictured in my avatar) wanted to go outside...
After returning I noticed it was now 11:00 PM and I decided I had better get some sleep before awaking at 6:00 for work the next morning.
There you have it. An adventurous and wandering night of not actually placing another home on Pacific to see the affect (if any) on the Atlantic small Wizards Tower (which is still for sale by the way. And it is a great vender location.)
...the adventure continues.
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LordDextonious
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Nothing is going to be done about it... is what I am beginning to believe.
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LordDextonious
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Has anyone actually seen a house drop that has been reported to the barmstrong email address?? I have sent coordinates to a particular house for years. To no avail. Messanna replied to a question in the Devs section... Confused by the actual question however, but replied saying these un-owned houses will fall if reported.
I picture a STACK of sticky notes with coffee spilled on them, which erases the corrdinates to the houses we report as unowned.
Please get a hold on this issue to free up land that is used up by a bug, not even a bug, more like an oversight, in attempt to give back to the paying customer.
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I picture a STACK of sticky notes with coffee spilled on them, which erases the corrdinates to the houses we report as unowned.
Please get a hold on this issue to free up land that is used up by a bug, not even a bug, more like an oversight, in attempt to give back to the paying customer.
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Same here.
I have turned in the same house periodically ever since it was announced they would get rid of them, but nothing has been done.