they are actually 14th year rewards, but lets not go into details.12th year shields/tokens are account bound for a reason if they weren't the vets would be selling them taking away any profits from the store no one would buy the transfer tokens , if they do decide to sell the vet rewards in the store the shields won't make the list. meaning anyone could buy the shields one time would be taking most of the profit away from the transfer tokens already selling in the stores.
BULLETIN! We are special. We are the only reason you can still play this game . We are the reason this game still generates money .And we are the only reason that you can sit and complain about what you can't have. Ergo Vet Reward. Each time a reward came out it was meant to make something easier or more fun . And I'll be here long after you get bored with a game that was predicted to run just 2 years YES I am special and I deserve to be able to use something you cannot .go buy a shard transfer token just like we did for years.Lovely topic.
Shields create major imbalance. Period it's nothing they ever should have made in the first place.
Being a paying customer to receive a service (Being able to play) should not bring you anything which creates such an imbalance. However I can see giving special titles or a shiny clothing which don't have properties.
If they really want to give out rewards which actually "do something" everyone should be able to choose any item once a year is fully paid.
And before now someone come and said "but we paid 14 years till we got them"
Yes you did BUT from these 14 years 13 did not even HAD the shields existing in the first place..
BS is selling a service which you pay to use no idea how the entitle you to get such advantages.
And telling new joiners "well you have to play now 14 years" or "buy crazy expensive transfer token" or even better "find someone who can take your item for you" is a ****ing joke...
Ask the EU-1 guys who recently got scammed for billions by one of their own... They will tell you how good is it to trust someone....
But I guess as long as we have people who think they are special because they started to play earlier and now holding back BS because of this or insist on an old client and force the dev to maintain 2 we will not have any issue wihh new joiners anyway...
They should sell everything player want in uo store as the majority of games do.
Sell separate from youwhat the 3rd party sites do but cheaper to push them out of the market and use the money for more staff..
none of the above my accounts are over 14 years old I play on great lakes and siege but if i decide to leave great lakes( which I won't) i will use my vet rewards to get shields and get my own tokens.they are actually 14th year rewards, but lets not go into details.
Q) How do you move a char from shard A to shard B ?
A) you get 6 soulstones/fragments, you dump you're skills into them, and get a mate to xfer the stones for you + needed powerscrolls if any.
You take skills from soulstones to new char, eat powerscrolls, train stats.. $20 saved.
Q) how do you move all the stuff you have farmed on a dead shard to atlantic ?
A)You get you're buddy who is a 14+ vet to xfer it to atlantic using shard-shields. You sell you're stuff on atlantic, buy what you need,and again you're best buddy xfers it back to you.
You save $40
Q) Would you buy an limited transfer token for $3 to be able to move a char from shard A to B ?
A) Yes i would because then i could xfer at will, and not have to be waiting for someone else to do it for me.
EA/BS earns $3, otherwise they get 0.
This time you answer the question
Q) How much do you actually think EA/BS is making on selling transfer tokens ?
PS You really love you're best buddy he he
You are all also the reason the game is a shell of what it was. Everything has moved to one area. Communities have disappeared. Economies in this game are a joke. You brag about playing this game for so long while others have had to quit for a multitude of reasons, but it’s often the vets I see ruining the game for the new players, and then complain that the game is dying. You made your bed. You lost the right to complain.BULLETIN! We are special. We are the only reason you can still play this game . We are the reason this game still generates money .And we are the only reason that you can sit and complain about what you can't have. Ergo Vet Reward. Each time a reward came out it was meant to make something easier or more fun . And I'll be here long after you get bored with a game that was predicted to run just 2 years YES I am special and I deserve to be able to use something you cannot .go buy a shard transfer token just like we did for years.
I don't need to make up stories. Since you and you're only trusted friend aren't gonna buy transfer tokens, or any other 14+ year old..none of the above my accounts are over 14 years old I play on great lakes and siege but if i decide to leave great lakes( which I won't) i will use my vet rewards to get shields and get my own tokens.
I would never hand my stuff over to anyone except the guy i been playing the game with since 2001, to many untrusting scamming people out there'
im sure they sell plenty transfer tokens since the shields are limited on how many tokens you get per month.
you can sit and spin whatever stories you like but remember everyone elses stories are different.
You are all also the reason the game is a shell of what it was. Everything has moved to one area. Communities have disappeared. Economies in this game are a joke. You brag about playing this game for so long while others have had to quit for a multitude of reasons, but it’s often the vets I see ruining the game for the new players, and then complain that the game is dying. You made your bed. You lost the right to complain.
It’s been left to the new players to try and bring this game back, yet you feel your entitlements should allow you to continue game breaking practices that only further destroy a once great game.
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Your rationale is skewed And this is a pompous attempt to place blame. W the loyal e would not be having this debate, if not for the loyal player base.
Nice TRY PFFFFT
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This.Look at this from another angle why not push for a substantial price drop on Character Transfer Token
please don't assume everyone does the exact same thing as you do.I don't need to make up stories. Since you and you're only trusted friend aren't gonna buy transfer tokens, or any other 14+ year old..
I'm not gonna buy them either since there are other ways to transfer "chars" and items, witch i have described earlier.
Everyone with a little bit of brain does the exact same thing as i do.
Are you really so blind that you can't see that EA/BS killed off their own profit by giving away free xfer tokens to vets..
That would be awesomeLook at this from another angle why not push for a substantial price drop on Character Transfer Token
Why not ? Everyone i know in UO does this.please don't assume everyone does the exact same thing as you do.
They are available for sale per transfer ;that was not an argument. That's what we did before shields.Reading over my posts, I notice I didn’t specify what side of the argument that I am on. I am not proposing we be able to buy Shard Shields. Rather, allow us to either affordably purchase transfer tokens, or implement some kind of system that allows for a transfer based on current account age, with more transfers more often based on your age. Something.
Or get rid of it altogether as far as i am concerned. Just needs to be addressed.
It also does not mean you should come and demand perks. We paid that same 20 bucks a transfer for years ,what makes you think you should not. My reward for time and loyalty are Vet Rewards.My argument is skewed. What a defense!
And I’m not saying that everyone uses them to pack up move to Atlantic. Some do use it exclusively for shopping etc. However the byproduct is that the economy now flows through the ridiculously inflated economy of Atlantic. Something that I pay a simple 10 mil on Drachs for I pay close to 300 on Atl. This is one thing if you play on Atl and subject yourself to it, but because it is now the central market the rest of the shards are subject to its mercy. And for the most part, have accepted that everything is now ridiculously expensive.
Add into this that you either have to pay 20 dollars if you even want to make a one way trip to or from, or have to have the 14-year entitlement, and why would any of us want to continue.
And yes new players can start on Atl it Europa. But that argument is moot for people that have been on their homeshards forever and don’t have the entitlement because they are either just shy or haven’t been able to play/pay consecutively.
I have cultivated alliances that allow me to overcome this, but not everyone has that advantage. And the denial of this being game-breaking is nothing more than arrogant entitlement.
Yes you should be rewarded for your time, effort, and loyalty.
But that doesn’t mean the game should be exponentially more difficult to enjoy for the rest of us.
So you think it's all right that the global eco system in UO went to hell the day EA made the shard-shield reward ?It also does not mean you should come and demand perks. We paid that same 20 bucks a transfer for years ,what makes you think you should not. My reward for time and loyalty are Vet Rewards.
How long were char trans tokens being sold by EA before the vet reward and now you are trying to blame it all on the reward, that is so funny, try again.So you think it's all right that the global eco system in UO went to hell the day EA made the shard-shield reward ?
If i were boss in EA,i would have fired that clown who came up with the shard-shield idea, must have cost them a fortune in lost sales. I guess i should just laugh at EA for being so dumb lol
I find it amusing that you would make this statement when accusing others of entitlement. That statement screams entitlement.Or get rid of it altogether as far as i am concerned. Just needs to be addressed.
The interesting and funny part is, how many transfer tokens did EA sell after they introduced shard-shields compared to how many the sold before.How long were char trans tokens being sold by EA before the vet reward and now you are trying to blame it all on the reward, that is so funny, try again.
So tell me how is it you are privee to EAs/BS financial records? You don't? Then you claiming "laughable" is just that.The interesting and funny part is, how many transfer tokens did EA sell after they introduced shard-shields compared to how many the sold before.
Why do you keep denying the fact that EA lost a lot of revenue by giving "free" char transfers away.
Sorry kid but you're lame attempts of trolling every thread on this forum year after year is so laughable.
So have another attempt of trolling kid,thats all you can do.
Show us proof, oh that is right you can't.The interesting and funny part is, how many transfer tokens did EA sell after they introduced shard-shields compared to how many the sold before.
Why do you keep denying the fact that EA lost a lot of revenue by giving "free" char transfers away.
Sorry kid but you're lame attempts of trolling every thread on this forum year after year is so laughable.
So have another attempt of trolling kid,thats all you can do.
ok then i well assume its not manyWhy not ? Everyone i know in UO does this.
they sell quite alot of them then there sold on the black market for in game gold. I know all this because I got the info from the horses mouth my dread mare tells me everythingThe interesting and funny part is, how many transfer tokens did EA sell after they introduced shard-shields compared to how many the sold before.
Why do you keep denying the fact that EA lost a lot of revenue by giving "free" char transfers away.
Sorry kid but you're lame attempts of trolling every thread on this forum year after year is so laughable.
So have another attempt of trolling kid,thats all you can do.
Now if you want to have a real discussion then talk about the travesty they made of the Phoenix......which we are now FORCED to see daily in UO.
It was me and this sounds perfect EA/BS needs to make it easier for us to throw money at them it should all be able to happen in game with out having to go to first the origin store (possibly the slowest website in existence) then to the accounts management page why why why..Someone mentioned a shard gate not sure who I'm sure with ej that will be coming soon since they can't place houses or use the shields, but it will cost players to use it you click on the gate you choose a shard a gump comes up you get a choice use soveners or buy with cc to transfer to another shard.
So your idea is to charge me to go form 8/9 years to 14 years? if so I would expect the full 14 year package not just the shields so your idea does not really make sense?You have yet to answer if you would pay a years subscription cost per year to advance to 14 years. It has been asked twice. Also a vet token will not move you to another shard. You can only take what is in the bank and stable. The vet token s are make for transfer and return. The store tokens are one way transfer of everything but house.
So the store token is what you need.
Also mark me as an elitist.
they made teleport tiles for everyone, no reason why they cant make shard shield of some sort for everyonetl;dr (stopped at the top of the 2nd page)
This thread is silly.
Vet rewards are just that, a reward, for paying X number of months. A lot of MMOs have them in one form or another, it's one of the ways you keep people from unsubbing when they aren't actively playing.
A portion of the monthly subscription fee is how they're purchased, if you want to look at it that way. It's like a store loyalty card building up "free" products as you use it. The products/rewards aren't actually free. Just like holiday/anniversary gifts aren't actually free, it's all part of the subscription price. They're hooks. We're fish.
I'm not wild about the idea of vet rewards being sold in the item shop, or about people throwing fistfuls of cash at Origin to buy years. (Note: the likelihood that said cash would be reinvested into UO hovers somewhere south of zero. EA will instead spend it on FIFA or their next soon-to-be-canceled MMO du jour.)
At the party, Mesanna was somewhat tepid on the idea of "buying up lost years" since an account's original start date, which is different from straight up buying years your account didn't exist (which I seriously doubt she'd go for).
The devs already made a huge concession when they removed the age requirement to even use a vet reward, demanding more is just entitlement run amok. Someone who has been paying for 10, 15, 20+ years definitely deserves perks unavailable to someone who started yesterday.
think we all know the difference between a one shot token and the shields, not that I am a betting man, but I would take a wager that if the shields did become available they would fly off the shelves. I for one, in case no one noticed would but many of themGo buy transfer tokens problem solved.
do you have teleported tiles in your in game house? the non vet red ones that are available to buy in the store?Someone who played UO longer than me has something I don’t have! There are lots of cool things I’d love to have in the game but I can’t because some other jack ass has it not me! All shard transfers have accomplished is encouraging everything to centralize on Atlantic. As a shield owner all I use mine for is Atlantic shopping trips and then going home to the much more fun, and less laggy Pacific.
As others have said you can buy those tokens, make characters on other servers, etc. Why should they change it?
shard shields are account bound, so cant be traded, unlike most other vet rewardstl;dr (stopped at the top of the 2nd page)
This thread is silly.
Vet rewards are just that, a reward, for paying X number of months. A lot of MMOs have them in one form or another, it's one of the ways you keep people from unsubbing when they aren't actively playing.
A portion of the monthly subscription fee is how they're purchased, if you want to look at it that way. It's like a store loyalty card building up "free" products as you use it. The products/rewards aren't actually free. Just like holiday/anniversary gifts aren't actually free, it's all part of the subscription price. They're hooks. We're fish.
I'm not wild about the idea of vet rewards being sold in the item shop, or about people throwing fistfuls of cash at Origin to buy years. (Note: the likelihood that said cash would be reinvested into UO hovers somewhere south of zero. EA will instead spend it on FIFA or their next soon-to-be-canceled MMO du jour.)
At the party, Mesanna was somewhat tepid on the idea of "buying up lost years" since an account's original start date, which is different from straight up buying years your account didn't exist (which I seriously doubt she'd go for).
The devs already made a huge concession when they removed the age requirement to even use a vet reward, demanding more is just entitlement run amok. Someone who has been paying for 10, 15, 20+ years definitely deserves perks unavailable to someone who started yesterday.
Did you really say this? You do understand that Broadsword is not the one selling this item it is a player selling it and EA/noname site has already gotten their cash for it. You may also want to understand that Broadsword makes no money what so ever off selling items in the online store. Broadsword is a game management company hire by EA to run/maintain UO and DAoC, all your subs and purchases in the Origin store go directly into EAs pockets or the 3rd party sites. You keep going on and on about all this money you are willing to throw around so please enlighten us on what you think would be a price you are willing to pay for Shard Shields and what restrictions should be placed on them.I don't buy transfer tokens, I wont pay 90m in game so Broadsword are already losing out
So I can go buy an account that magically aged because it is being sold, I need to go buy me some accounts. Anybody got a 1 year account to sell that magically ages to 14 year for sell, oh that's right some one had to pay the subs on those accounts for the required years to make that account eligible for those rewards so yes that account earned those rewards no matter what BS you are trying to spin. Are your accounts older than 14 years? If so do you offer FREE rides to all these disadvantaged players? If not have you tried hooking up with a player that has shard shields?And anyone who thinks that everyone with shard shields earned them through steadfast loyalty to the game through thick and thin, think again. Third party account selling has been going on for ages and Broadsword clearly has zero interest in curbing it (and possibly actively facilitates it). The people helped most by high year gameplay advantage vet picks are third party account sellers.
apologise if I mistake broadsword/origin etc. So the origin store, whoever sells the sovereigns and teleported tiles etc. Price wise its not up to me of course, so whatever the sovereign cost would be to purchase.Did you really say this? You do understand that Broadsword is not the one selling this item it is a player selling it and EA/noname site has already gotten their cash for it. You may also want to understand that Broadsword makes no money what so ever off selling items in the online store. Broadsword is a game management company hire by EA to run/maintain UO and DAoC, all your subs and purchases in the Origin store go directly into EAs pockets or the 3rd party sites. You keep going on and on about all this money you are willing to throw around so please enlighten us on what you think would be a price you are willing to pay for Shard Shields and what restrictions should be placed on them.
I forgot the most important part here, just because one player is trying to get 90M for a token does not mean that is what they are worth, did you even bother to ask in Gen Chat if anybody had any for sell and how much they wanted for them or better yet try hooking up with someone on your shard that makes runs to help you out.
Couldn't agree more.This topic always dismays me.
Vet rewards should NEVER have given gameplay advantage. Full stop. THAT is the problem. Reward vets all day long, but items that give actual gameplay advantage only put newer players further behind the curve than they already are by virtue of not having had the same amount of time put in to the game, for whatever reason that may be. It effectively increases the entry level cost of the game. It exponentially widens the divide between vet and newcomer.
Any vet reward that gives a gameplay advantage should be a very low year pick. That does not hurt old vets. What does it cost a 20-year player for a 1-year player to have a shard shield or a Davies Locker or a smith press? Another player enjoying and being able to fully participate in the game a little more and maybe sticking around longer?
Personally I think shard shields should never have been put in the game, period. That horse is out of the barn, down the road, and eating the neighbor's petunias at this point, but some of the attitudes displayed in this thread are a big part of why UO is dying. Old vets have kept UO limping along, yes, but without new blood the game WILL die.
And anyone who thinks that everyone with shard shields earned them through steadfast loyalty to the game through thick and thin, think again. Third party account selling has been going on for ages and Broadsword clearly has zero interest in curbing it (and possibly actively facilitates it). The people helped most by high year gameplay advantage vet picks are third party account sellers.