Thats my mistake, they were added as craftables I missed it on the notes, going back to add them now.
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Actually come to think about it. Don't water barrels not block anything anymore? If that's true what is the water barrel issue?
I've been doing a little testing with the new barding mastery abilities. It seems as though any spellcasting interrupts the mastery, rather than taking damage as per the description. Bug or intended?
I wonder if its to do with people filling houses with barrels? Makes them easier to empty? Not sure.
it's both ... obviously
"The drop rate of these gears"
"The. Drop. Rate. Of. These. Gears."
"THE DROP RATE OF THESE GEARS" is... what?! What?! WHHAAAAT?!
I bug submitted a number of suspicious results from the gears, as I spent nearly 100 hours in Castle Blackthorn on Europa (not being here when the boxes were released) trying to make sets to sell on, and only ever completed two boxes of Common/Uncommon after nearly 550 gears (I still have them all!). "Dungeon - Common" and "Grizzle Dungeon - Uncommon" in particular only dropped twice and once. I also never saw a single Rare after killing nearly 300 Paragons (Juggernaughts, Betrayers, and the odd Golem Paragon... I still have all the cocoa bits stored to keep count!) So please, for the love of Lord British's Underpants-With-The-Practically-Placed-Ankh-Hole tell me you've tweaked the drop rates DOWN and CONSISTENTLY?!
Also whilst I'd love more tunes, that there aren't THAT many more! Because I shall have to compulsively grind again to re-complete at least my own box. But if there are... the old Occlo tune has been returned, please? Why oh why did you take my most favourite piece of Ultima Music?!
But thank you for killing the flickering... sadly the Singing Ball that I did all that grinding of gears to buy with the resulting money is one of the items that flicker in the EC
"The. Drop. Rate. Of. These. Gears."
"THE DROP RATE OF THESE GEARS" is... what?! What?! WHHAAAAT?!
I bug submitted a number of suspicious results from the gears, as I spent nearly 100 hours in Castle Blackthorn on Europa (not being here when the boxes were released) trying to make sets to sell on, and only ever completed two boxes of Common/Uncommon after nearly 550 gears (I still have them all!). "Dungeon - Common" and "Grizzle Dungeon - Uncommon" in particular only dropped twice and once. I also never saw a single Rare after killing nearly 300 Paragons (Juggernaughts, Betrayers, and the odd Golem Paragon... I still have all the cocoa bits stored to keep count!) So please, for the love of Lord British's Underpants-With-The-Practically-Placed-Ankh-Hole tell me you've tweaked the drop rates DOWN and CONSISTENTLY?!
Also whilst I'd love more tunes, that there aren't THAT many more! Because I shall have to compulsively grind again to re-complete at least my own box. But if there are... the old Occlo tune has been returned, please? Why oh why did you take my most favourite piece of Ultima Music?!
But thank you for killing the flickering... sadly the Singing Ball that I did all that grinding of gears to buy with the resulting money is one of the items that flicker in the EC
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DEV is this the reason?
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I am actually pretty ticked about the water pitcher thing.
Is this so game imbalancing that it needed to be nerfed? Cause here's a hint, I am as well as many other folks spending a lot of darn time on their plants for you to make it even more time consuming. If I wanted to make it even more unpleasant, I would space more plants out more so all the plants I have can bend me over more like the devs are.
Tell you what....figure out the plant bugs, then take this away from us, one of the few things worthwhile about gardening.
Is this so game imbalancing that it needed to be nerfed? Cause here's a hint, I am as well as many other folks spending a lot of darn time on their plants for you to make it even more time consuming. If I wanted to make it even more unpleasant, I would space more plants out more so all the plants I have can bend me over more like the devs are.
Tell you what....figure out the plant bugs, then take this away from us, one of the few things worthwhile about gardening.
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As well as gardeners using pitchers I use them for watering Chicken Lizard eggs. At the moment I have 3 well filled pitchers that I use. Having to refill them more often will be a damn nuisance. I have a lot of chickens and consequently I get a lot of eggs.
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Beer_Cayse
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The new starter templates look decent ... I might just have to try out a couple.
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Yalp
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Fantastico.. cause I don't have the room to store 100 water pitchers and a water trough so I can play with plants and aquariums!
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Yalp
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how about just wiping water barrels out of existence? The use of them to block is against tos? no?
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This both pisses me off and signals the end of my plant growing. WTF are magic waves supposed to be for, and why the hell are they taking out an easter egg. It wasn't a damn bug or exploit, it was an easter egg.
Oh well, I guess when the dye supply I have now runs out I'm done with selling them. I'm sure many others will be too. Watering without a magic pitcher is a major pain in the ass and wrist, as now we'll have 3 times or more as many clicks to make.
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skell454
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Yup this is a sure sign of the hosing us gardeners are gonna get...
Please leave our watering pitchers alone!!
I don't think they block anything anymore, But removing them is maybe too far. A RP guild on Europa have custom built roads through Yew made out of them for their player town 'Stonekeep' would be a shame for all those to be deleted.
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Jasonleebeck
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...and my gargoyle still can't wear his kilt...
A simpler solution, altho not realistic, would be to simply make the water barrels empty into one pitcher..instead of the many that it takes to empty one now. That way, the gardeners are happy, people who get their house "barrelled" can empty em out quicker, the uses as deco and roadway markers is still intact, everyone wins, no one loses?
*shrugs*
*shrugs*
Wow. I don't believe it. Really wish my laptop handled the EC a lot better than it does. I've missed being able to do that.
I wanna get in on that too. I wonder if existing pitchers will be fixed?
Just in case I'm going to over fill a few more pitchers.
I haven't placed a faction trap in ages, but some people may have been getting too creative with trap and barrel combinations. I'm guessing that not being able to overfill a pitcher will probably make it too cumbersome to load up parts of a faction base with filled water barrels.
Bard changes are good. Though they really should lover the bard requirements for many creatures, especially for provocation. Its sad that all thats good about bards these days is discordance.
I find it endlessly amusing that people are now crying about an exploit being fixed just because they were exploiting it.
I don't feel gardeners were "exploiting" really. What they were doing was harming no one. It was the people who abused it with the water barrels.
I think we need a jug "of holding" (To plug D&D) that only let's out water when being targeted onto something dealing with plants. Makes the life of a gardener much easier.
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Yalp
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Commence the "Green Thumb Army of Rebellion" EM Event!
*goes to search for a pitchfork and potting soil*
*goes to search for a pitchfork and potting soil*
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XLaCeDX
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Yes to getting rid of the overfilled water pitchers.
Does anyone understand how one ass can water barrel someone's house and the barreled person pages a GM, sometimes over and over if the barreling persists, and therefore sucks down GM time and therefore EA's money and in the end UO's profits?
I think Tina Small is correct and it took water barrels blocking 'pvp' (faction) and not just people's vendor houses getting barreled, to get this fix in, pvp seems to get more attention in general.
Using an overfilled pitcher allows one to hold an empty barrel, double click the pitcher, target the barrel and instantly fill it with 20 normal pitchers of water.
What would normally be too much trouble for a griefer, 40 double clicks to fill one empty water barrel, the overfilled pitcher can do in a single double click.
I have begged and pleaded for this fix and I know I'm not the only one, but I finally started using the overfilled pitchers myself to water my plants when I grew them, so it I know how convenient it is.
However, I will gladly give up the easy watering so I can go back to customizing my public house the way I want rather than having to block the mystery water barreler and everyone else also with a special design that doesn't allow anyone to get much past the steps.
One of UO's greatest strengths is it's customizable houses, but these overfilled pitchers making it easy for a griefer to destroy and make it impossible to enjoy that customization.
I'm all for irrigation floor tiles however, that automatically water my plants for me.
Does anyone understand how one ass can water barrel someone's house and the barreled person pages a GM, sometimes over and over if the barreling persists, and therefore sucks down GM time and therefore EA's money and in the end UO's profits?
I think Tina Small is correct and it took water barrels blocking 'pvp' (faction) and not just people's vendor houses getting barreled, to get this fix in, pvp seems to get more attention in general.
Using an overfilled pitcher allows one to hold an empty barrel, double click the pitcher, target the barrel and instantly fill it with 20 normal pitchers of water.
What would normally be too much trouble for a griefer, 40 double clicks to fill one empty water barrel, the overfilled pitcher can do in a single double click.
I have begged and pleaded for this fix and I know I'm not the only one, but I finally started using the overfilled pitchers myself to water my plants when I grew them, so it I know how convenient it is.
However, I will gladly give up the easy watering so I can go back to customizing my public house the way I want rather than having to block the mystery water barreler and everyone else also with a special design that doesn't allow anyone to get much past the steps.
One of UO's greatest strengths is it's customizable houses, but these overfilled pitchers making it easy for a griefer to destroy and make it impossible to enjoy that customization.
I'm all for irrigation floor tiles however, that automatically water my plants for me.
Just wanted to mention this again.
A guildmate informs me of the following:
You can use Despair to make corpses go poof!
Think about that a moment.
-Galen's player
A guildmate informs me of the following:
I'm assuming this isn't intended. And it strikes me as a pretty big deal.
You can use Despair to make corpses go poof!
Think about that a moment.
-Galen's player
So exploiting is ok, as long as it doesn't harm anyone? Its funny how people who otherwise use black and white morals all of a sudden become very grey in their perception when their own exploitation is brought in to light, heh.
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UOKaiser
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This one not a exploit it was put in by the DEV them selves as a easter egg. i remmember how happy the community was when they found it.
I didn't see that anywhere...though I am highly annoyed that only Discordance got any offensive ability and such powerful ones too, while provocation and peacemaking have somewhat more limited usability for many bards.
Though it doesn't say, but does bardic abilities affect your pet?
As far as I remember it, it was a bug, which they shock off as an easter egg by saying "just take it as an easter egg" or words to that effect.
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UOKaiser
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Don't know the intended reason at first. But once a dev say it's a easter egg we can't change the fact that it's a easter egg. If they said oh no a exploit they would of got rid of and told everyone it's not intended. So after a decade later it's still a easter egg.
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Beer_Cayse
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Not everything is in one release/patch/publish. It was plainly written that this Pub would be split into 2 parts. Perhaps it's in there?
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Joy-ElF
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I tried this, and it happens with both Tribulation and Despair. It's fun to have new bard abilities, though!
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Deb
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There is now an SA Entitlement check for the gargish Vet Rewards.
OK. I have read all the posts and no one mentioned this. We are getting
new Gargish Vet rewards?
Oh, and as an avid gardener with usually 200 upwards of plants I am
growing at one time I also am against the "EASTER EGG" being removed.
Just delete water barrels, they only litter up the countryside anyways.
Or make them so we can chop them and the countless water troughs
that are left behind after idocs. We used to be able to.
OK. I have read all the posts and no one mentioned this. We are getting
new Gargish Vet rewards?
Oh, and as an avid gardener with usually 200 upwards of plants I am
growing at one time I also am against the "EASTER EGG" being removed.
Just delete water barrels, they only litter up the countryside anyways.
Or make them so we can chop them and the countless water troughs
that are left behind after idocs. We used to be able to.
Because, you know, adding a toggle for it is "hard."
Really?
You're going to rely on your modder community to take care of this for you?
*sigh*
Can we please not take things out for the sake of taking them out. PLEASE. Just give them a toggle... The fact that you can only run one mod at a time (or a mod through a mod that supports it) makes doing things like this in this manner a bad thing.
Please fix this before you make this go live... or revert the change until you have a better solution.
Why fix the pitcher instead of fixing the water barrels?
Let's not wait until the "near future" to do this. Let's get this corrected before the publish goes live. No offense intended, but things that get put off simply just don't happen at all. The pet staining system that was talked about prior to UO:SA launching that was then going to end up being spawns of different colors or some such thing just didn't happen at all, and it was a vocal minority that blew it out of the water in the first place.
Please do not let this go live as it is. Fix the problem, not the tool. Please.
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maroite
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Except for the Artificer one... unless Item Identification has become useful some how?
On a side note for the Advanced Character Tokens, I wish they would just allow people to select 3 skills to set at 85, 2 at 70 and then set the stats with a certain max. Kind of like when you create a new character, but with more options and higher max skills.
I know if they did this I would be more inclined to buy an Advanced Char token or two...
I never use the pet window in the EC, and personally I will be GLAD its gone for so many reasons. I always pull my pets health bars out.
Good riddance.
On a side note, Throwing changes could mean I wont have to completely redesign my gargoyle thrower!!
The bard changes look interesting also. As I am at work, anyone who has tested them can you answer some questions?
Was wondering if pets benefit from the effects of the Peacemaking and Provocation skills.
While I don't agree with the tone, I agree with the sentiment. I love mobile bars, I've had them with Lucis Mod for a while now, but the pet bar has been one of my favourite features of the EC since day one.
haven't read all the way through the thread yet, but just had to say "thank you".
Does this mean that all a duper would have to do now would be slow down his connectipon to re-anable black-holing? Seems to me that this would not be too hard for them to do.
Yeah! How about an item or house add on that can be used as an endless water source not requiring pitchers or barrels.