Trial By Jury

[Llewen]

I'm sharing this because I find it rather funny, not to start a fight with anyone. I've been tried by a jury of my peers, and found guilty. Most of the pvp'rs on my shard, and I'm guessing they all use the classic client, think I speed hack.

Now, I suppose I should be upset that I've been falsely accused and convicted, but it seems to be part of the price of success. I have however discovered that there are some distinct advantages to being a convicted criminal. My enemies no longer chase me to the Gates of Hell when I'm trying to escape from certain death.

Yes it's true. I've noticed in the last few days that when I run away, my enemies from a particular guild and faction will stop chasing me after a couple of screens. They just assume they can't catch me and give up, and I am most grateful. It makes it so much easier for me to prosecute my "run and gun" guerrilla style of combat.

But just for the record, I'll share some of my secrets. First off, I use the Enhanced Client. That is my first and primary advantage. You get auto avoid for obstacles in every direction, and the Enhanced Client is far less susceptible to the vagaries of connections and networks.

Not only that, but there are no tombstones. Now you can turn them off in the classic client as well, but I'm guessing that most of the pvp'rs don't know this, as was the case with me, until fairly recently. But another huge advantage is, with the enhanced client I can bind my cursor keys to the thumb joystick on my G13 game board, and use that for movement.

I cannot overemphasize how much of an advantage that gives me. Not only is the G13 a fine piece of hardware in it's own right, with 22 G keys, plus two thumb buttons for keybinds, but being able to use the thumb joystick to move frees me up to use my mouse while I am moving. Movement with the thumb joystick isn't as precise as it is with the mouse, but that is more than made up for by the fact that you can change direction far faster than you can with mouse controlled movement because all it takes is a flick of the thumb.

It took me some time to get used to moving with the thumb joystick, but that leads me to my last advantage, and that is, practice. When I'm waiting for something interesting to happen I do something I call "barrel racing", or "slalom". I weave at top speed between trees that are in a line and see how long I can keep weaving in and around them without breaking the pattern. I don't think I realized until recently how much that little time waster has helped me.

And what is truly ironic about this is my computer is about as low end as you can get these days for a computer that is under two years old. It is almost the lowest of the low. It is custom built, but the graphics card is a Sapphire Radeon HD 2600XT and the processor is an Athlon II X2 240. You would be hard pressed to find any cheaper components on Tiger Direct, if you can even buy these components anymore. My ram isn't expensive, but it is good quality and low latency and I do have 4GB of it.

I do take good care of my computer, but I have a boatload of crap running all the time on it, even when I game: email, multi-protocol chat client, Fraps (I don't go so far as to record videos very often, I just use it primarily to monitor fps), SpeedFan and all the typical stuff for my keyboard and mouse and security, such as anti-virus.

My connection is for these days, mediocre. It is fast and reliable, but connecting from Canada to the US I ping around 60 on a good day, which seems to be most of the time these days. Now a few years ago that would have been spectacular, but these days it isn't uncommon for those with truly amazing connections to be pinging around 20 or even lower. I do think however that my connection is reliable and I suffer very little, if any, packet loss.

However, I actually do have one last secret to share, and that is Windows 7 64 (Pro). When I upgraded to that a week or two ago from 32 bit Windows XP everything got faster and more stable. I no longer suffer performance degradation with the Enhanced Client, which had been a long standing issue - everything runs smooth as butter, and is rock solid stable. Publish 66 took care of alot of performance and stability issues with the Enhanced Client, but I think Windows 7 64 has helped a great deal as well. I have yet to crash since I upgraded.

So here I am, falsely accused and convicted, and reaping the benefits of that conviction. Perhaps you, gentle reader, will be more kind, but I don't mind if you are chasing me down, if you curse me in your thoughts, or on Vent, and give up quickly. It really does make everything much easier for me...

 

[Stupid Miner]

Trial by jury is fundamentally flawed due to the fact that it's based on an unreasonable assumption, namely, that they have any idea what they're talking about.

ok, ok, ill go back and actually read the post now.

 

[Derium of ls]

All I have to say... about ten years ago when Lake Superiors server was about a mile from me, and that's when Time Warner Cable came out with cable internet (so not many people had it, the system was not bogged down) I had a ping of 7... yup 7! man, that was amazing back then.

 

[Llewen]

All I have to say... about ten years ago when Lake Superiors server was about a mile from me, and that's when Time Warner Cable came out with cable internet (so not many people had it, the system was not bogged down) I had a ping of 7... yup 7! man, that was amazing back then.

That's pretty phenomenal, especially for ten years ago. I run game servers on my connection for my fps clan and I have had people in the same city with the same ISP ping as low as 10 - 15. Which leads to another interesting fact. I also host a website on the same connection that I game on. It isn't a terribly busy one but it does see some traffic.

Another thing I failed to mention is I do have a very good router. I've got a DIR 825 and I use the DD-WRT firmware on it, which is a mini Linux distro. I've used a Linux based router for years, and this is just the most recent one. As long as the hardware meets it's basic requirements Linux based routers absolutely rock for just about anything, including hosting websites and gaming at the same time.

 

[GarthGrey]

Ok, to the OP, are you looking for everyone to say "Oh of course we believe you, you're just faster than everyone else on your admittedly slow computer, with mediocre ping time", or are do you want people to reply with "Yeah right, you're just a cheater using the same tired defense that everyone else uses"...which is it? Because frankly, I think you just don't get enough attention at home. That's the only thing that makes any sense to me. Go play the game, and stop posting every second of your UO life in the Hall, seriously, you're the only one that cares.....some times honesty has to come down on you like a Ton of Bricks....

And before I get another warning or ban for trolling let me add this. I think my opinion belongs in this thread. I've been very vocal about cheating and cheaters, I've just reached a point where I realize that nothing is every going to be done about it. It's a serious matter, but in my opinion, this isn't a serious thread. It's a pitiful attempt at getting attenion and trying to glorify yourself even more among your UO peers....and again, that's my opinion.

 

[Llewen]

Ok, to the OP, are you looking for everyone to say "Oh of course we believe you, you're just faster than everyone else on your admittedly slow computer, with mediocre ping time", or are do you want people to reply with "Yeah right, you're just a cheater using the same tired defense that everyone else uses"...which is it?

There actually was a point to my post. Sorry you didn't get it. And "honestly" speaking of "honesty", no one forced you to read my post. That was your choice. As for the rest of it, how does the old saying go? "Stick and stones..." It's complete bollocks, but in this case it most certainly applies...

 

[Derium of ls]

That's pretty phenomenal, especially for ten years ago. I run game servers on my connection for my fps clan and I have had people in the same city with the same ISP ping as low as 10 - 15. Which leads to another interesting fact. I also host a website on the same connection that I game on. It isn't a terribly busy one but it does see some traffic.

Another thing I failed to mention is I do have a very good router. I've got a DIR 825 and I use the DD-WRT firmware on it, which is a mini Linux distro. I've used a Linux based router for years, and this is just the most recent one. As long as the hardware meets it's basic requirements Linux based routers absolutely rock for just about anything, including hosting websites and gaming at the same time.

I think my conditions were just perfect, not many people had cable when it first came out in my area, the server was down the road, time warner cable was actually good back then and their connections in my area were new.

 

[Llewen]

I think my conditions were just perfect, not many people had cable when it first came out in my area, the server was down the road, time warner cable was actually good back then and their connections in my area were new.

And I'll bet dollars to doughnuts your "trials by jury" in those days had the same results mine did...

 

[Sturdy]

Comcast made cable available in my neighborhood in 2002/3. I had a 20ms ping to all the west coast servers and 100ms to siege. (I am in bay area)

I now have U-Verse 6Mb which is fiber to corner (i can see the box out my front window) and copper to house. Local servers ping at 25ms but the 6Mb is rock solid. Unfortunately my ping to Siege has not changed in 8 years, still 100ms.

I think having a steady connection is at least as important as a low ping- I run EC and can outrun some people, but I think it is the lack of peaks and valleys in connection speed that does it, not just ping. The house/mob loading lag spikes is what seems to slow people down.

 

[Llewen]

I think having a steady connection is at least as important as a low ping- I run EC and can outrun some people, but I think it is the lack of peaks and valleys in connection speed that does it, not just ping. The house/mob loading lag spikes is what seems to slow people down.

I'm inclined to believe you, based on years of hosting game servers and helping my friends sort through connection issues to those servers, and of course more than a decade's worth of online gaming experience. I have a very stable connection, and the Linux QoS works a treat, so even sharing that connection with a website and my sister I rarely have problems with lag spikes.

I do occasionally experience lag in the EC, but it manifests itself differently than it does in the CC. In the EC you don't slow down, you just momentarily stop if you are experiencing serious lag. Most of those times though the lag doesn't seem to be related to my connection or anything on my computer, it seems to be a server issue.

 

[mjolnir131]

is that peck and valley thing what they call jitter, i use ping test sight that i can have a decent ping to a place but the jitter is still horrible and the web sight claim that effects gaming more that just ping. or is jitter something else?

 

[Derium of ls]

And I'll bet dollars to doughnuts your "trials by jury" in those days had the same results mine did...

and you'd correct on that. It wasn't too bad because back then most people understood that even 256megs of ram was whoooooa haha. but yeah, more than a few people thought I was a GM, or a hacker.

 

[Llewen]

is that peck and valley thing what they call jitter, i use ping test sight that i can have a decent ping to a place but the jitter is still horrible and the web sight claim that effects gaming more that just ping. or is jitter something else?

Ya, I think I know what you are saying and that is important, but the most important thing is packet loss. But I'd rather ping 200 with a stable ping and no packet loss than 50 with a lot of "jitter" and even a small amount of packet loss. Packet loss kills...

 

[Ls Jax Ls]

When I'm waiting for something interesting to happen I do something I call "barrel racing", or "slalom". I weave at top speed between trees that are in a line and see how long I can keep weaving in and around them without breaking the pattern.

Maybe if you spent all that time PvP'ing instead of practicing how to run away from people you'd be decent. LOL. It's not hard to run away I use classic client with tombstones etc. and I'll keep up just fine. I can't believe someone is actually bragging about being good at running. No wonder PvP is so bad.

P.S.

I've been accused of scripting, spell hacks, etc. and you don't see me crying on forums. Give me a break.

 

[Llewen]

Ok, to the OP, are you looking for everyone to say "Oh of course we believe you, you're just faster than everyone else on your admittedly slow computer, with mediocre ping time", or are do you want people to reply with "Yeah right, you're just a cheater using the same tired defense that everyone else uses"...which is it?

The carefully worded accusation. "Maybe if I say it this way, I won't be get another mark on my account." Is that it?

I'm not like you, I think something is being done about third party cheats, finally. Third party cheat detection is live right now, and they are busy weeding out the false positives. And I think before the end of the year we are going to see some positive changes in the game.

But I'll put it to you this way. Even if cheat detection is 100% perfect, and never misses anything, and they hand out discipline for every single infraction, and permanently ban for the big ones. I have nothing to worry about, and I will never get a mark on my account, ever. And it isn't because I'm the world's smartest hacker, or too cocky to think I'll ever get caught.

And that was not the point of this thread at any rate. The point was, in part, that an awful lot of people are making an awful lot of false accusations. Another point I was making, but maybe I was being too subtle, is there are things you can do to improve the responsiveness of your own client, and minimize the effects of lag, and even compensate for low end hardware, without blowing the inheritance on new hardware and FIOS.

One of the biggest of those is, use the enhanced client, another one is, together with the enhanced client, use a game controller. I hear the Belkin N52te is pretty good as well, and less expensive than the Logitech G13, but I can't recommend the G13 highly enough if you can squeeze it into your budget. Then you too might have the joy of being falsely accused of cheating, and having people give up chasing you when the circumstances are such that you need to skedaddle...

 

[Vaelix]

Maybe if you spent all that time PvP'ing instead of practicing how to run away from people you'd be decent. LOL. It's not hard to run away I use classic client with tombstones etc. and I'll keep up just fine. I can't believe someone is actually bragging about being good at running. No wonder PvP is so bad.

P.S.

I've been accused of scripting, spell hacks, etc. and you don't see me crying on forums. Give me a break.

Emo runs his speeder on Max... This is why he can keep up.

 

[Llewen]

And that was not the point of this thread at any rate. The point was, in part...

There was one more thing. I found it rather funny that those who were accusing me of cheating had given up chasing me. They had managed to convince themselves to the extent that they were willing to completely cede to me all the advantages of mobility. Even being falsely accused can have fringe benefits...

 

[Flutter]

I am slow compared to everyone. I have a slow computer and a ping often over 50. (If you check the tech forum Im also suffereing from intermittant packet loss that makes it completely unplayable) So compared to me everyone seems fast.
No sweat, I'm used to it. I rarely chase.

You have to admit though Llewen, you really are fast. Add that to your pet combos and it's really easy to understand why no one wants to bother to chase you. (These aren't fighting words just conversation)

Regardless of if you are using a speed hack or not, most people I think just don't see the point in chasing.

Think there are a lot of false accusations on all sides most days though. It's part of what PvP has become (and why a lot of people don't want to bother anymore)

 

[Llewen]

You have to admit though Llewen, you really are fast.

Yes I know I'm fast. And even though I've given the reasons why I think I'm fast, I must admit, it sometimes baffles me. Although when someone does chase me I find I'm not generally moving faster than they are, ie. they keep up, but the thumb joystick makes my turns really fast, and that all by itself makes it really hard to catch me if I am trying hard to get away.

But I must admit, when I look at my computer, and know how low end it is, I just shake my head. That's one of the reasons why I'm inclined to believe that speed hacking is a myth. I know I don't speed hack, and I have yet to see anyone move faster than I do since I've come back to the game seven months ago now.

Which leads me to believe that there must be a movement cap that even the so called "speed hacks" can't break. If I had to put my finger on it, I'd say my thumb joystick, and the fact that I have auto evade movement in every direction with the Enhanced Client, those are probably the two reasons why I'm so hard to catch.

Having said that, I actually have a hard time chasing people down myself because the thumb joystick isn't as precise as mouse movement, and it is "twitchy" for lack of a better word, which makes it a two edged sword. This makes it hard for me to keep on someone's tail if they are trying hard to get away. I move just as fast as they do but too many wrong turns and you will get left behind.

Oh, and I know when I upgraded to Windows 7 64, it seemed like I was moving faster. I don't know if this is true, or if this is just perception, because I haven't really had a race since I upgraded where I stayed on the same screen as someone else long enough to know whether we were moving the same speed (which maybe says something in and of itself). What I do know is that I get much higher fps than I used to with Win XP, and I don't suffer much, if any, performance degradation over time, which used to be a problem before with the EC.

I'm going to have to race someone to see if I am actually moving faster than I was because if I am, there might be an issue there with Windows 7 64, because before I was moving as fast as anyone else was, and there's clearly something up if I am moving faster than I was. Anyway, I'll have to race someone to check that out the next time I'm on with someone else.

edit: I just had a bit of a thought. Would memory timings have anything to do with how fast you move in UO? One of the devs might be able to answer this one. Because I do have very nice OCZ, low latency ram, and I run it with the suggested timings, which aren't default and are very low. My video card is quite seriously over clocked, and my system ram is slightly over clocked. Can't remember if my processor is. But even at that, my system is still very low end compared to most gaming rigs, and I can't imagine that it would make that much of a difference.

edit once more with feeling: I haven't been accused of speed hacking by anyone from your guild Flutter. Of course I don't know what you are saying in Vent, but that's your business, not mine. So I wasn't referring to you or any of your guild or even your faction in this thread.

 

[Flutter]

No, I know you weren't talking specifically about my guild, I have seen general chat though and I have also seen you flly by me

I am on a very old set up that an Ex of mine broke trying to overclock so I know I can't compete as far as speed goes. I do wonder if I attempted to PvP on my new laptop if I would at least *seem* faster.
I am somewhat happy with the way I play now, I don't take it as seriously as a lot of people, and I do pretty well for what I have to work with.

On a side note I will say I didn't know you could (legally) turn off tombstones. I thought those sorts of client "hacks" were illegal.
I do see a lot of people able to walk through them, I just figured they were running a client I wasn't Are you saying this isn't the case?

 

[Llewen]

On a side note I will say I didn't know you could (legally) turn off tombstones. I thought those sorts of client "hacks" were illegal.
I do see a lot of people able to walk through them, I just figured they were running a client I wasn't Are you saying this isn't the case?

It's perfectly legal to modify your Uo.cfg file. In fact the official Renaissance publish notes talk about it (just search for "uo.cfg" on the page).

- Open the "Uo.cfg" file in your root classic client directory with a text editor.
- Find the following line "Desolation=on"
- Change it to "Desolation=off"
- Save and close the file.

That's it. No more tombstones.

And I just ran a test. I raced a friend for a short distance, and I still don't move any faster than anyone else who has a reasonably new computer and isn't lagging.

 

[Dermott of LS]

...


- Open the "Uo.cfg" file in your root classic client directory with a text editor.
- Find the following line "Desolation=on"
- Change it to "Desolation=off"
- Save and close the file.

OMG H@X!!!

 

[Violence]

I could never get used to controlling character movement with anything but a mouse even though I've really tried. Being an avid FPS and RTS fan on PC I've developed certain reflexes that IMHO allow me to keep up with the most random "dancing" movement of my target in any situation.

Seems I've also got pretty good insticts about where and when my target is going to be next, which is quite important when you're on a melee template and everyone else are mages or archers.

My ping ranges from 40 to 60 depending and my PC is certainly above average even though if it has gotten a bit old now. I also use the EC, much faster than 2D(but not faster than a speed hacker on 2D unfortunately).

In the end, among legit players of course, all that matters most is personal skill. Fancy key-boards and accessories can only get you that far. But hey, whatever suits your fancy. Maybe if I feel I've lost my "touch" I'll invest in a similar key-board or something... And there's definitely nothing wrong with running too much! ;D

But don't kid yourself. Speed hacking is not a myth.

 

[Flutter]

It's perfectly legal to modify your Uo.cfg file. In fact the official Renaissance publish notes talk about it (just search for "uo.cfg" on the page).

- Open the "Uo.cfg" file in your root classic client directory with a text editor.
- Find the following line "Desolation=on"
- Change it to "Desolation=off"
- Save and close the file.

That's it. No more tombstones.

.

Why do I remember being told not to do this then?

 

[Llewen]

Why do I remember being told not to do this then?

Someone who didn't know any better?

But don't kid yourself. Speed hacking is not a myth.

Well, I think there must be something to it as so many people talk about things like having people on foot outrunning them while they are mounted. But seriously, in the seven or eight months now since I've come back, I've done a lot of pvp'ing, and I have never seen anyone move faster than I do. And as I said, whether my enemies believe me or not, I know I don't speed hack, so if no one is moving faster than I am, they must not be speed hacking, or if they are, it isn't doing anything for them.

Even some that I have heard consistently accused of speed hacking, when they've been chasing me, or I've been chasing them, I've never seen one of them move faster than I do, unless I was lagging, and in the Enhanced Client it's really easy to tell when that's happening. So perhaps it isn't a myth, but I know I've never seen it, not once, since I came back seven or eight months ago.

 

[Dermott of LS]

...

But don't kid yourself. Speed hacking is not a myth.

I don;t think the OP or anyone else is claiming that speedhacking is a myth.

Seems like it's become the easiest and quickest conclusion jumped to any time that someone sees someone seemingly moving faster than them. It's easy to explain losing when you can excuse it away to "speed hacking" or some other "cheat" (even more so if you're using cheat programs yourself and still get beat). It takes away the sting of loss because EVERYONE knows that "I wouldn't have lost if they hadn't been exploiting".

I have a Nostromo N52 and tested out the movement on the DPad and the OP is right... it IS faster than using the mouse, and if you DO get experienced with it enough, movement in that fashion IS going to become a HUGE advantage for you.

Speedhacking exists... doesn;t mean someone is automatically guilty though.

 

[Lord Chaos]

Funny that you have no problem running around doing exactly the same yourself.

 

[Dermott of LS]

...

Huh? You're questioning doing something legal in UO? Oh wait... nevermind... forgot who was posting for a sec.

 

[Violence]

As one can become experienced in moving with a D-Pad so can one become experienced in telling who's speed hacking and who's not. Especially if they've done it themselves, and have repeatedly run comparisons with others even on LAN and such.

You say you haven't seen a single speed hacker in 8 months.. Or if you saw them, then with a 60MS and your key-board magic you could tell no practical difference..

I can't believe that, as much as I want to. Not with what I see on Europa either way... And that's something that has been going on for longer than 8 months, believe me. In fact 8 months ago UO had reached such a point with cheats that for me it was un-playable unless I was willing to cheat. It's much better now, I'll give you that much.

Now I'm not saying whole servers are populated by hackers, but there ARE a certain few who are positively running cheats and if I wanted to be precise I'd say that in PVP at the very least, out of 10-15 players, 2-5 certainly cheat. What they do cannot be explained by no D-Pad or ping times, nor by personal skill or gaming rigs and looks identical to what I could do with cheats even if I were a complete newbie. For the record if I am not 100% sure(which is to say, sure enough to name them in UHall if I were allowed) of what I'm seeing I usually am the first to "defend" someone accused of speed hacking. I get that crap too seemingly because some people refuse to PVP on the EC and enjoy its speedy performance.

While it may appear as a small portion, they are perfectly capable of ****-blocking any and all legit players trying to enjoy themselves the moment those cheaters log in and decide to share their pure awesomeness with them. rolleyes:

My opinion is that you're having a "good run" in Ultima Online and have been lucky, plus your personal skill and gaming gear which is giving you an edge which you are enjoying. Glad for you, but stating you actively PVP in a populated shard for 8 months now and haven't encountered a single suspicious player is 100% unconvincing so we will have to agree to disagree completely on the topic of cheating.

It's as if you're playing a different game the way you put things. Oh, another reason you may not be noticing cheaters is the cute new trend they've adopted of hot-keying their proggies On/Off and have become a bit more discreet if you will.

 

[Tazar]

Think there are a lot of false accusations on all sides most days though. It's part of what PvP has become (and why a lot of people don't want to bother anymore)

QFT

 

[Llewen]

Glad for you, but stating you actively PVP in a populated shard for 8 months now and haven't encountered a single suspicious player is 100% unconvincing so we will have to agree to disagree completely on the topic of cheating.

The only time I can be positive if someone is speed hacking or not is if they are chasing me, or I am chasing them and we are both running in the same direction. And so far in eight months, in those situations, I have not seen one person move faster than I do. Not even one.

On the other hand I have seen plenty that I suspect of using scripts. However, unlike the speed hacking I have no objective way of telling whether or not they truly are using scripts. I have suspicions, but that is all they are, and maybe I am the one who is generating the false accusations in those cases.

That's why I am exceedingly glad that the third party cheat detection is live now. I don't want to be making that call, because I have no way of being sure if I am right or not.

 

[Evlar]

Current PvP =

 

[Lord Chaos]

Where is it stated that Anti-scripting program has been enabled on live servers?

 

[Llewen]

Where is it stated that Anti-scripting program has been enabled on live servers?

We have collected data on 3rd party programs running in UO. At this time we are filtering the data to make certain we are not getting any false positives. Also, please know UO Assist and Mapper are not in jeopardy. We are going after very specific scripts. We have discovered some interesting trends, and will continue to monitor for some time. But … you should know how we will press forward with finding offenders.

There was more there as well. It's too late for your "friends" to cover their tracks. A little bird told me that this is what you call, "Turning up the heat on the frog."

 

[Evlar]

Where is it stated that Anti-scripting program has been enabled on live servers?

We have collected data on 3rd party programs running in UO. At this time we are filtering the data to make certain we are not getting any false positives. Also, please know UO Assist and Mapper are not in jeopardy. We are going after very specific scripts. We have discovered some interesting trends, and will continue to monitor for some time. But … you should know how we will press forward with finding offenders.

There was more there as well. It's too late for your "friends" to cover their tracks. A little bird told me that this is what you call, "Turning up the heat on the frog."

Hahahaha.... whoops Lord Chaos...

Perhaps YOU deserve this...

 

[Lord Chaos]

There was more there as well. It's too late for your "friends" to cover their tracks. A little bird told me that this is what you call, "Turning up the heat on the frog."

Well, considering I don't cheat, then I am not exactly sitting ontop of every news and remember every snippet.

I did comment in that thread I remember, so I did see it. Still see it as a really bad move by mythic if they mishandle this either way, both legit and non-legit accounts.

 

[Dermott of LS]

...

Of course you don't, you just accuse everyone else of doing so (for whatever reason, maybe hiding something, maybe not, who am I to say).

 

[maroite]

I play on Baja and am located in Japan.

I use the EC.

I can out run/catch most people playing from the US.

My ping is probably terrible. 200ms or more. I have never actually checked the number, but when logging in the little bubble on the EC is either two yellows or one red.

 

[Llewen]

Well, considering I don't cheat...

Then you don't have anything to worry about, now do you?

 

[RawHeadRex]

a similar accusation occurred on baja today. person being accused is bone stupid yet claimed they all of a sudden have a T1 line.
Every shard has their known speeders and they are already known by the commmunity of that shard... It's not your average rig Llewen. that contrived 'slalom alibi' was a bit much. do you have any idea how much time that would add to your 'escape time?' utterly ridiculous on an epic level IMHO

 

[Llewen]

a similar accusation occurred on baja today. person being accused is bone stupid yet claimed they all of a sudden have a T1 line.
Every shard has their known speeders and they are already known by the commmunity of that shard... It's not your average rig Llewen. that contrived 'slalom alibi' was a bit much. do you have any idea how much time that would add to your 'escape time?' utterly ridiculous on an epic level IMHO

And here you are accusing me of cheating, without a shread of evidence, and absolutely no clue what you are talking about, and you essentially called me "bone stupid". There's a little saying about how when you point the finger, there are three pointed back at you...

If I ever get the chance I'll show you what I call "the slalom" and it is something I always do when there isn't any pvp action to be had. I can absolutely guarantee you that if you tried to do the same thing with the classic client, I would leave you in the dust.

And the point isn't that I use "the slalom" to get away from my enemies, the point is that it is tricky to learn how to move accurately with a thumb joystick in the enhanced client, and that "exercise" or "drill" that I do is excellent practice for learning how to move accurately with a thumb joystick. Anyone who has actually used a thumb joystick to move with the enhanced client would know why I say this. You clearly do not.

I'll just repost what I posted above.

I'll put it to you this way. Even if cheat detection is 100% perfect, and never misses anything, and they hand out discipline for every single infraction, and permanently ban for the big ones. I have nothing to worry about, and I will never get a mark on my account, ever. And it isn't because I'm the world's smartest hacker, or too cocky to think I'll ever get caught.

And you can take your accusations and shove them up your arse. When you actually have something intelligent and relevant to say, and you actually know what you are talking about, feel free to add to the thread...

For the record, I have never used a speed hack, I have never even downloaded one. And I probably wouldn't even be able to tell you where to find one now. And in fact, I'm not entirely convinced they aren't a myth, or that they actually do anything for the people that use them. I think the whole speed hacking issue is far more a matter of perception than it is of reality. But I could be wrong about that, what I can tell you is that I have never been in a situation where I could conclusively say someone was speed hacking.

 

[RawHeadRex]

And here you are accusing me of cheating, without a shread of evidence, and absolutely no clue what you are talking about, and you essentially called me "bone stupid". There's a little saying about how when you point the finger, there are three pointed back at you...

If I ever get the chance I'll show you what I call "the slalom" and it is something I always do when there isn't any pvp action to be had. I can absolutely guarantee you that if you tried to do the same thing with the classic client, I would leave you in the dust.

And the point isn't that I use "the slalom" to get away from my enemies, the point is that it is tricky to learn how to move accurately with a thumb joystick in the enhanced client, and that "exercise" or "drill" that I do is excellent practice for learning how to move accurately with a thumb joystick. Anyone who has actually used a thumb joystick to move with the enhanced client would know why I say this. You clearly do not.

I'll just repost what I posted above.



And you can take your accusations and shove them up your arse. When you actually have something intelligent and relevant to say, and you actually know what you are talking about, feel free to add to the thread...

you play baja and was the one who claimed they run a T1 ? I didn't call you bone stupid.
just sayin' ... no amount of thumb action is going to make you faster or to better evade your enemy, yet that's exactly what you are indirectly saying.
nobody gives a rats ahse it's more difficult to use, who cares. the topic is why have your peers stamped you as a speeder. no lateral sidestepping on your part(any speediers part really) explains squat. it's always some mouse or some lcd keyboard that cooks dinner or some idiot killer network card that is the reasoning behind why someone is 'fast.'

 

[ingsmsico]

The hilariously ironic part about this post by Llewen is that she concedes that the non-UO, SA client gives an unfair advantage to those using the original UO (so-called 2D on this forum) client.

news flash: I am a UOurist.. call it UOP call it UOURE.. I don't care. but I think a lot of people agree with me. the "SA client" to me, IS cheating. I hate to say it. but it is.

 

[RawHeadRex]

the visuals are indeed beautiful, there is no denying that. but I too love the 2D.
hmmm so if desolation is turned off, the ec still gives a slight advantage over 2D ?

 

[ingsmsico]

the visuals are indeed beautiful, there is no denying that. but I too love the 2D.
hmmm so if desolation is turned off, the ec still gives a slight advantage over 2D ?

no, I am saying the EC is cheating. it is illegal from the perspective of the UOurist and I will defend that position.

 

[Llewen]

the topic is why have your peers stamped you as a speeder. no lateral sidestepping on your part(any speediers part really) explains squat. it's always some mouse or some lcd keyboard that cooks dinner or some idiot killer network card that is the reasoning behind why someone is 'fast.'

The truth is you simply don't know what you are talking about. If I really was speed hacking, and I actually cared enough about what anyone thought to try and convince them that I wasn't, why in the gods name would I admit I have a low end processor with a budget video card?

One would think the logical thing would be for me to do a little research, find out what the latest "killer" hardware was, and claim I had that. No one would know the difference. I don't like being falsely accused, but in the final analysis, I really couldn't give a rat's ass what you think of me.

I know I don't cheat, and the only thing whose opinion I actually do care about, that third party app detection that is going to lead us to the promised land of a relatively cheat free game - let's all hope, is also going to know that I don't cheat, even if it works absolutely flawlessly. And I trust the devs enough not to worry about ever being falsely accused by that app either.

In other words, when I leave UO, it will be either because I choose to leave, or the game has shut down. I will never leave due to a ban. I have never been banned even temporarily, never been jailed, and in fact I have never even been warned, in this game, or any other game. And it isn't ever going to happen either, not if I have anything to say about it...

 

[RawHeadRex]

The truth is you simply don't know what you are talking about. If I really was speed hacking, and I actually cared enough about what anyone thought to try and convince them that I wasn't, why in the gods name would I admit I have a low end processor with a budget video card?

One would think the logical thing would be for me to do a little research, find out what the latest "killer" hardware was, and claim I had that. No one would know the difference. I don't like being falsely accused, but in the final analysis, I really couldn't give a rat's ass what you think of me.

I know I don't cheat, and the only thing whose opinion I actually do care about, that third party app detection that is going to lead us to the promised land of a relatively cheat free game - let's all hope, is also going to know that I don't cheat, even if it works absolutely flawlessly. And I trust the devs enough not to worry about ever being falsely accused by that app either.

In other words, when I leave UO, it will be either because I choose to leave, or the game has shut down. I will never leave due to a ban. I have never been banned even temporarily, never been jailed, and in fact I have never even been warned, in this game, or any other game. And it isn't ever going to happen either, not if I have anything to say about it...

well maybe this is your way of getting some attention on this subject in general, this I applaud. you never answered the question though, was that you on baja today ?

 

[Violence]

The only time I can be positive if someone is speed hacking or not is if they are chasing me, or I am chasing them and we are both running in the same direction.

I don't want to be making that call, because I have no way of being sure if I am right or not.

Only speed hacking can be recognised during other movement patterns as well FYI. In fact a lot easier to tell than when running straight lines with someone. But when there are 3 or 4 particular people who(when they really want me dead) will hot-key their proggie and hunt me down in a straight line, run past me then dance around me while I'm trying to change direction, then again run past me all the time doing MoveShot then, well, **** that. And the same goes for casters who literally EBolt me on the run, who just happen to be played by the same players as those archers.
*EDIT* I'm also not alone on making these very observations about these very particular people.

If you want to attribute that to skills and good connection, go ahead. From the multitude of MMO games I play and my(player-side) knowledge of the Net and gaming rigs, I know certain things to be impossible without a speed hack in Ultima Online. Just like I know when I'm seeing someone using scripts as well. I already mentioned I've used such things and I've seen what they can do. So what could anyone possibly mention to change my mind now, I wouldn't know.

There are people in my guild(and out of it of course) who do have a good enough connection to get 20-35MS depending, and have a comp just as good as mine. In fights and in sparring and PVM as well, they can never perform at the levels the people I'm calling cheaters, do. NEVER. They're displaying a performance close enough to mine in terms of pure speed and player reflexes, to the point that I have no issues when chasing them or when they cast-dance around me. Oh and they're quite experienced UO players.

As said, let's just agree to disagree. rolleyes: And I'm not making "that call" either. I'm only saying what I'm seeing and I'm pretty sure that if I'm right and cheating counter-measures kick in, some faces will mysteriously dissappear from the PVP scene. Good enough for me.

 

[Lord Chaos]

Then you don't have anything to worry about, now do you?

Actually, yes I do. Unlike you, I don't play in a vacum and I very much like the game and would like to see it continue.

 

[Lord Chaos]

...

Of course you don't, you just accuse everyone else of doing so

No, I don't. But nice try.