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THēf/
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noun: thief; plural noun: thieves
a person who steals another person's property, especially by stealth and without using force or violence.
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To the Person who stole from me,
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THēf/
noun
noun: thief; plural noun: thieves
a person who steals another person's property, especially by stealth and without using force or violence.
Yes.. Ive played before. Had Gooch cursing once.. *waves at Gooch*
What was that I posted recently? Oh yeah, Chad is a bad boy.
Now don't get me wrong, I was the foo who co-owned Diablo to my castle after he was mad at me. It was fine when we were good... how do you say, "frienhs," but after the friendship waned... that was where I was foolish.
P.S. Let me add, in defense of a few, that I also co-owned Chumlee, King Edward and Grimlex to my castle and never an item was taken. They truly were/are honorable men. (Steps off soap box)
Now don't get me wrong, I was the foo who co-owned Diablo to my castle after he was mad at me. It was fine when we were good... how do you say, "frienhs," but after the friendship waned... that was where I was foolish.
P.S. Let me add, in defense of a few, that I also co-owned Chumlee, King Edward and Grimlex to my castle and never an item was taken. They truly were/are honorable men. (Steps off soap box)
Wow! What an opportunistic theft. How soulless, how heartless! You, sir, are a very bad bad boy! Give this back to my sister Katt without her haveing to gamble for it. Especially after you admittedly ate an important SOT. Don't be a SOT, Chad. :whip:
Ionya/Delilah the Mad
its my fault, and my stupidity for not checking the box twice, calm please.
After reading this thread I am almost speechless and thoroughly disgusted. Katt, I find that the only fault on your part is you being too trusting, and truly there is nothing wrong with that either. Chad, you knew you were taking great/too much/over the top advantage here and yet you still went through with it. Then you spread your blackened peacock feathers out and proudly display what you took. Even amongst thieves I have known, there is an honor system. Then, there is YOU. YOU, who wants to gamble the things away to her? YOU really are one sick puppy. The more I write, the angrier I am becoming, so I think I will stop now, but for this last thing.....
Katt, I beseech you to rethink this, and play no part in this gambling farce! I know you want your things back, but this is just playing more deeply into Chad's hands, it's what he wants, he gets his kicks off it, and I really don't want to see you done wrong again. I am taking this list of his, and hope I can give back at least some of what he stole, back to you.
Ysabella - Siege.
Katt, I beseech you to rethink this, and play no part in this gambling farce! I know you want your things back, but this is just playing more deeply into Chad's hands, it's what he wants, he gets his kicks off it, and I really don't want to see you done wrong again. I am taking this list of his, and hope I can give back at least some of what he stole, back to you.
Ysabella - Siege.
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I've held back on making a post in this thread as I am not entirely sure any post here would lead somewhere good. However it is very disheartening for Katt to take so much of the blame. Using the stealing skill to take an item from someone is a valid game mechanic. Removing items from a house you were friended to in confidence is far from the same thing. What happened to Katt falls under a confidence scheme aka "con". I would stay away from this deal or no deal business, it validates the actions of the con-man in this case, Chad. I read some wise words once, I'll copy them here:
Compromising with thieves grants them moral equivalence where none can rightly exist. moral equivalence says that you are no better than they; therefore their belief-that they should be able to steal is as morally valid as your view-that you have the right to live free of their violence. Moral compromise rejects the concept of right and wrong. It says that everyone is equal, all desires are equally valid, all action is equally valid, so everyone should compromise to get along.
Where could you compromise with those who steal from people? In the number of days a week you will be stolen from? In the types of items they take from you? In how polite they are when they do so?
No moral equivalence exists in that situation, nor can it exist, so there can be no compromise.
To even suggest compromise can exist with such men is to sanction stealing in all of its forms.
The concept of stealing and thieving in the italics is my reference to the con, not the use of the stealing skill.
Compromising with thieves grants them moral equivalence where none can rightly exist. moral equivalence says that you are no better than they; therefore their belief-that they should be able to steal is as morally valid as your view-that you have the right to live free of their violence. Moral compromise rejects the concept of right and wrong. It says that everyone is equal, all desires are equally valid, all action is equally valid, so everyone should compromise to get along.
Where could you compromise with those who steal from people? In the number of days a week you will be stolen from? In the types of items they take from you? In how polite they are when they do so?
No moral equivalence exists in that situation, nor can it exist, so there can be no compromise.
To even suggest compromise can exist with such men is to sanction stealing in all of its forms.
The concept of stealing and thieving in the italics is my reference to the con, not the use of the stealing skill.
Honestly, the only reason I was going to do the Black jack deal was because I didnt want you guys to give me items for my mistakes. I won't do the black jack deal for several reasons, I am a person that tries to do the right things, I thought that I was doing the right thing by doing the black jack deal, I guess not. so I am sorry. Along with this I do not want anyone giving me anything. This is my fault. I thank you all for standing up for me, as it really means a lot. Now I understand that doing the deal would be a mistake and to the people that gave me gold, I will return it asap, I just want all of you to know that I was just trying to do what was right. Have a wonderful day, 
You lightweight, I once had someone give me their account info also, using this I was able to find out where he lived and naturally paid some hit men to murder his family, while he was at the funeral I hired a removal van and ransacked his house and took everything, then a few months later when he seemed to be getting over it I went and set fire to his house.
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Katt, there is no shame in accepting stuff/money to help you get your stuff back or stuff to replace it. You do alot for the shard, now let us help you.
I understand the ones who say, you should not do the Black jack deal but Chad may make more movey from selling your items, so I see nothing wrong with this.
We all make mistakes, you learned to be careful who to trust. I learned in the past, to double check, that I remember to Siege Bless my bow after I let Tina repair it.
I know all are shotting at Chad now. I don't know him well enough to know if he really are that heartless or he only play with your feelings, like thieves love to do. I still believe it can get a good ending, even when Chad may make some gold from it. We are there for you and many of us do have more gold than we need. Go for it, don't let people tell you what to do, it is Siege and evil RP is allowed and if you can get it back for a mill or two, I gladly help with the gold.
I understand the ones who say, you should not do the Black jack deal but Chad may make more movey from selling your items, so I see nothing wrong with this.
We all make mistakes, you learned to be careful who to trust. I learned in the past, to double check, that I remember to Siege Bless my bow after I let Tina repair it.
I know all are shotting at Chad now. I don't know him well enough to know if he really are that heartless or he only play with your feelings, like thieves love to do. I still believe it can get a good ending, even when Chad may make some gold from it. We are there for you and many of us do have more gold than we need. Go for it, don't let people tell you what to do, it is Siege and evil RP is allowed and if you can get it back for a mill or two, I gladly help with the gold.
Famous now!! http://uothief.com/tales/ep0409.html
(this)Post retracted, I noticed Chad indicated he was going to elaborate on the scheme from the beginning. Although Chad has proven himself a talented thief throughout the years I have never known him to withhold details and give him the benefit of the doubt.
Side note: my "scheme" to get on the site without being stolen from seems to have succeeded. I actually learned a good bit about being "stealthy" in game from reading his site years ago. The best thief protection is knowledge.
Also Katt, do not base your decision to do the deal based on our posts, that is your decision alone. I only want you to stop taking all of the blame yourself. Sure you made a mistake but you were still a victim.
Side note: my "scheme" to get on the site without being stolen from seems to have succeeded. I actually learned a good bit about being "stealthy" in game from reading his site years ago. The best thief protection is knowledge.
Also Katt, do not base your decision to do the deal based on our posts, that is your decision alone. I only want you to stop taking all of the blame yourself. Sure you made a mistake but you were still a victim.
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Everytime, you choose to trust someone as a friend, you should know the risk. Both Henry Swift's and Chad is a part of Barder Town's thieves. Only a fool let a thief have access to valuable stuff.
Over the years, I have accessed alot to my houses but unless they had been co-leaders in one of my guilds, I never co-owned them. I had been co-owning to guild house but that was as much their stuff as mine.
About the community box, that could had been set to friend or anyone to give them access to it.
This is Siege Perilous, evil RP is allowed. Chad did not just loot her stuff and resell it for personly gain.
Thieves and PK's way to make money do include stealing from players and kill and loot players, it's a part of Siege, there are alot shards without risk.
Katt is a big girl, she can handle Siege and will get trough this and I'm sure she will get her stuff back.
Lets stop making Siege to Trammel and play the game. A little Evil RP do not hurt, special not when she are offered a way to get her stuff back.
Over the years, I have accessed alot to my houses but unless they had been co-leaders in one of my guilds, I never co-owned them. I had been co-owning to guild house but that was as much their stuff as mine.
About the community box, that could had been set to friend or anyone to give them access to it.
This is Siege Perilous, evil RP is allowed. Chad did not just loot her stuff and resell it for personly gain.
Thieves and PK's way to make money do include stealing from players and kill and loot players, it's a part of Siege, there are alot shards without risk.
Katt is a big girl, she can handle Siege and will get trough this and I'm sure she will get her stuff back.
Lets stop making Siege to Trammel and play the game. A little Evil RP do not hurt, special not when she are offered a way to get her stuff back.
Aye, Freja is right. and I am not complaining, I should never of played in the casino anyhow as it was gambling, I am religious. This is my choice, and I need to live up to my mistake, again thank you and Chad, Im not being mean when I say this or anything, but honestly, enjoy the items, you were the one that got them, enjoy them. Im going to be away from UO for week as I need to just have a break and clear my mind.
Freja,
Lets stop making this about Siege. This situation could have happened on any shard on any facet, Trammel ruleset or otherwise. Katt has made her feelings known. It seems to me a 13 year old girl has more sense than all of us "adults" put together. We are just trying to make others understand our opinions, a fools errand really. I don't agree with Chad's actions and stand by my first post in this thread but he came forward as the culprit, that shows more maturity than some. Maybe it is just to boast about the theft? Perhaps but our opinions on the matter are exactly that, opinions.
Again, Katt, as the person with the soundest reasoning in this, I think you are capable of making your own decisions here.
Lets stop making this about Siege. This situation could have happened on any shard on any facet, Trammel ruleset or otherwise. Katt has made her feelings known. It seems to me a 13 year old girl has more sense than all of us "adults" put together. We are just trying to make others understand our opinions, a fools errand really. I don't agree with Chad's actions and stand by my first post in this thread but he came forward as the culprit, that shows more maturity than some. Maybe it is just to boast about the theft? Perhaps but our opinions on the matter are exactly that, opinions.
Again, Katt, as the person with the soundest reasoning in this, I think you are capable of making your own decisions here.
This!!
In a way I agree with Wulf, I thanked him for showing himself and that is all that matters, again thank you for the support and help, I have made my decision, Im going to take a week break from UO I think its best. and to the people that is going to the Casino, enjoy yourself and have fun. See you all in a week.
That depend of the way done, it seem to me like Chad never did mean to keep the stuff but do have a RP way for Katt to get it back. Now it show, Katt am not able to do the gambling as she is religious so I hope Chad can find a different way to make her gain the items back.
The OP said that she friended him without knowing who he was other than some random toon on her screen. Stop trying to pass blame for her foolish mistake, she has owned up to it and is lucky to be getting a single item back. I've had loads of people add me to a house or give me log in information and I've always what on earth are they doing? Now I ran with a small group of people whom had a higher level of respect but these actions are filled with danger.
If anything can be learned from this it's to clear the list after a IDOC.
If anything can be learned from this it's to clear the list after a IDOC.
In the OP she said she didn't know who it was that stole from her. She didn't say Chad was un-known to her. She actually indicated she had a (false) level of confidence in Chad in this post:
She thought he was a friend due to their mutual friend Henry Swift, that is the point I am stuck in in reference to this being a bigger issue.
She thought they/he could use the comm box from the idoc and was not friended prior to that moment. To think that a limited degree of seperation would make random people friends over the interwebz is silly and not something we would tell children is either safe or ok, the same applies in the wilds of SP.
I completely agree, Katt agrees in her acceptance of what happened. That however does not justify what was done. We need to educate our children (or newcomers to UO) about how to be safe. However, when mistakes are made it doesn't justify the action of the aggressor. Blaming the victim is a horrible downward spiral to society.
Again, this turns into a situation where we are each trying to get someone else to believe in our opinion. For some reason UO players (me included) are perpetually hard headed. That is part of the reason why PvP discussions blow wildly out of control and rarely lead anywhere good.
You are entitled to your opinion as is everyone. If you feel thievery outside of the stealing skill and the breaking of trust (even if it was given premeturely) is acceptable that is of course your right.
Let It go... Let it go... Can't hold it back anymore... Let it goo.. let it go.. Turn away and slam the door.. In this case, Everything has been said and done with. Let it go. Sides.. I Love Frozen.. and this is how I feel about this now
Just one point...
Talk of "lets not make siege into trammel" and theft like this being what you should expect on Siege, Id point out that this sort of theft IS Trammel, this is how people steal from others in Trammel, by ingratiating themselves to someone to gain access to their house/secure storage etc.
Talk of "lets not make siege into trammel" and theft like this being what you should expect on Siege, Id point out that this sort of theft IS Trammel, this is how people steal from others in Trammel, by ingratiating themselves to someone to gain access to their house/secure storage etc.
Let It go... Let it go... Can't hold it back anymore... Let it goo.. let it go.. Turn away and slam the door.. In this case, Everything has been said and done with. Let it go. Sides.. I Love Frozen.. and this is how I feel about this now
Katt cannot gamble.......but somebody could gamble for her......
Wulf, why don't you go
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