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To the Dev at large.... a question on crafting.

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Smoot

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Smoot....
Why do you think there are not many crafters out there?
Every imbuer uses a crafter to make his basic building mats unless a fortunate drop in the dungeons happens.
Most LRC suits my son sells are hand crafted by Lily.... every jewelry bit Longfellow made the blank Grumbles uses for his craft of imbueing. Every Barbed kit forsale came from a Crafter, as did every PoF...
Second.. go on any shard including Balhea which is pretty much the smallest population we have and you will find a good handfull in luna alone of npc vendors holding bods and I can bet the owner is not idle in their crafting.
The reason you dont see the coffee cluches of crafter/tailors or smiths going at it is quite simple.
Its no longer viable to carry books of bods when you constantly have to pop home for another bod to fill up a large and return.
It's much more easer to stay home and fill bods alone.
Every thing is there at your fingertips too.
Including the npcs holding the books if you get stuck needing another.
I miss the coffee cluches, made good friends that way.
With this change in both we might be able to bring back the coffee cluch.
uhh... no. artificers buy their imbue mats.
their dirt cheap now becuase 99percent on vendors are from the Europa duper idoc
Mesanna let the looters keep these items.
The majority of crafters do not do bods. if you dont agree ask around.
the majority of useful bod items like kits / pof come from scripting
too many times a vocal minority sponges up dev time with stuff no one wants just because they have 100 accounts.

It would be better for the game, and for the mental health of those still doing bods if the system were removed
current bod rewards could be sold on NPCs
remember mindless repetitive tasks gives you alzheimers
 

Smoot

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I know more people are buying hammers and sewing kits.... but... I know of only ONE person that bothers with Reforging and that is also the only person I know who bothers learning about the augmentation things either. But honestly outside powder and tools and the Bless deed... we could use more newer items ......

PS are easy to get and super cheap for smithing and tailoring... the deco stuff is old... needs a refresh. And metal needs to be brought up in line with leather, wood and stone... they all give decent property bonus over metal.
Everyone uses reforging. If your not using reforged gear by now your either a new player or an extremely casual player. Thats why rewards were revamped in the first place. to make the low end stuff valuable. so that fix is already done. i dont see another one is needed, at least not for a few years or until something replaces reforging.
 

Landicine

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I know more people are buying hammers and sewing kits.... but... I know of only ONE person that bothers with Reforging and that is also the only person I know who bothers learning about the augmentation things either. But honestly outside powder and tools and the Bless deed... we could use more newer items ......
Please do not confuse reforging and armor refinement. I will admit that I don't use refinement as much as I probably should, but reforging can use some low level runics to produce good starting points for imbuing with properties that can't always be imbued (hit chance on armor, soulcharge, etc.). Reforging allows runics to be a little less random than they would be otherwise. Anyone with high imbuing should look into reforging.

I have posted the Stratics guide link below, and I'm sure any of of reforging's fans will be happy to answer questions or show examples.

http://uo2.stratics.com/items/magic-item-properties/runic-re-forging
 

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I know more people are buying hammers and sewing kits.... but... I know of only ONE person that bothers with Reforging and that is also the only person I know who bothers learning about the augmentation things either. But honestly outside powder and tools and the Bless deed... we could use more newer items ......

PS are easy to get and super cheap for smithing and tailoring... the deco stuff is old... needs a refresh. And metal needs to be brought up in line with leather, wood and stone... they all give decent property bonus over metal.
I agree that the rewards need an update, but the BoD system it self need to be changed. The system with large BoDs that need to be filled with small BoDs sucks and fill houses with BoDs. Small bods are fine but the large ones should be like fishing quests, already including the small ones.
 

Lady Storm

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Smoot I spent the day on Baja and there was a few of each smith and tailor doing bods in Luna.
Napa had one doing smithing when I stoped in to get gold for fish food.
Atlantic had the usual croud in the smith and tailor shop doing bods.
Origin had a tailor going.
Sonoma had 2 tailors at work when I went to get my bods.
Oceania had a smith when I went to drop off the fish tank junk and pick up bods.
Hokuto was surprising..2 tailors and people getting bods.. (i get a nice amount of bods here for my work)
Oh and I was at Catskills for a small side trip to look at a book I have of obscure places to get the cords and stopped in the bank and what do I see? Tailors and a smith working bang bang bang.... clip clip clip....
Yea right... no one does bods..........
Wrong.
Oh and the other shards I get my bods on had evidence of players who had been there and getting bods...

We all agree the Rewards table needs a major shake up...
The bods and the large bods are a pain...
I know a good many here and on the shards I visit the players I talk to think the conversion of the bulk books to the same as the pink and blue books of 1 item count is the best objective. But also many would live with the 20/1 or 25/1.

There is other reasons the crafters are not so noticed these days... population of the shards *with the exception of Atlantic* There is not a big enough turn over in requirement of items they make. Less people means less need for that chair, fancy dress, or any other item a crafter makes. Even the Kings items are now hard to find... and that is the most recient addition to the menu's and this is sad.
I was shocked when I went shopping on Baja... Zento was near empty of homes! Finding simple peices of furnature was down right fustrating.

When you say we dont need crafting... many people leave. Ask any guy in the game if thier girlfriend or wife play... if they do they will take up crafting.. ITs the best intro to UO for them to be in game and not telling the guy to get rid of UO....
 

Tina Small

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Only have a minute or two to post this. But I was thinking more on the BOD system last night and realized another reason I tend to not do all that many BODs is that many of my tailor/smith characters scattered far and wide are still "in training." What this means is that they reach a certain point in their training where what you can make to fill a BOD request doesn't give sufficient gains to make the expenditure of raw resources worthwhile, especially if you gather all your resources yourself and don't buy them in bulk from scripters. Also, because the bribery system has made armor BODs more valuable, I'm always hesitant to do the few iron plate armor ones that might give my blacksmiths a gain or two because it makes more sense, economically, to hang onto those and eventually bribe them up to another type of metal for a chance at a better reward. However, being that my smiths usually don't have an abundance of those other metals sitting around to work with or maybe can't even work with them yet, those other metal BODs get stashed for later use.

Don't have the time to sit and do a real analysis on it, but thought I'd throw that issue out there for consideration as well if there's any possibility that the BOD system might get a revamp, i.e., we could stand to have BODs for more items that actually give gains to crafters that are trying to finish training a crafting skill. There are samurai-style items, elven items, and gargoyle items that could perhaps be included as well. That way, maybe someone who is making these items for reforging or imbuing could throw the extra "imperfect" ones they make into BODs and get something for them instead of seeing resources just poof because of salvaging or debating whether to use up storage to keep them "just in case" they could be used for a later, less demanding project.

Sorry this is rambly. Just wanted to get the idea out there that BODs should actually help you with training crafting skills all the way up to 120, which might mean adding difficult small BODs that can't be bribed up to something else (and thus are fodder for saving) but can give worthwhile skill gains and a worthwhile reward as well when turned in.
 

Landicine

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Sorry this is rambly. Just wanted to get the idea out there that BODs should actually help you with training crafting skills all the way up to 120, which might mean adding difficult small BODs that can't be bribed up to something else (and thus are fodder for saving) but can give worthwhile skill gains and a worthwhile reward as well when turned in.
Your post does sort of inspire an idea of getting scrolls of Transcendence and Alacrity related to to crafting skills (tailoring, smithing, arms lore, etc.) from the system at lower BOD levels.
 

Smoot

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Smoot I spent the day on Baja and there was a few of each smith and tailor doing bods in Luna.
Napa had one doing smithing when I stoped in to get gold for fish food.
Atlantic had the usual croud in the smith and tailor shop doing bods.
Origin had a tailor going.
Sonoma had 2 tailors at work when I went to get my bods.
Oceania had a smith when I went to drop off the fish tank junk and pick up bods.
Hokuto was surprising..2 tailors and people getting bods.. (i get a nice amount of bods here for my work)
Oh and I was at Catskills for a small side trip to look at a book I have of obscure places to get the cords and stopped in the bank and what do I see? Tailors and a smith working bang bang bang.... clip clip clip....
Yea right... no one does bods..........
Wrong.
Oh and the other shards I get my bods on had evidence of players who had been there and getting bods...

We all agree the Rewards table needs a major shake up...
The bods and the large bods are a pain...
I know a good many here and on the shards I visit the players I talk to think the conversion of the bulk books to the same as the pink and blue books of 1 item count is the best objective. But also many would live with the 20/1 or 25/1.

There is other reasons the crafters are not so noticed these days... population of the shards *with the exception of Atlantic* There is not a big enough turn over in requirement of items they make. Less people means less need for that chair, fancy dress, or any other item a crafter makes. Even the Kings items are now hard to find... and that is the most recient addition to the menu's and this is sad.
I was shocked when I went shopping on Baja... Zento was near empty of homes! Finding simple peices of furnature was down right fustrating.

When you say we dont need crafting... many people leave. Ask any guy in the game if thier girlfriend or wife play... if they do they will take up crafting.. ITs the best intro to UO for them to be in game and not telling the guy to get rid of UO....
all those characters you saw were scriptors : )
 

Lady Storm

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hehe NO Smoot I said hi and talked to them... scripters usualy dont talk back in detail sentences.
I know most of them on a few of the shards because we use to sit at the various shard luna bank shops...
I agree with Tina and Landicine a addition to the tailor and smith learning curve would go over well.
 

Smoot

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ill stick to my story on this one. very advanced scripters. youve been having conversations with robots all this time old timer ;)
 

Lady Storm

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Yea.................right ...................................robots.
The people I have hunted and fished with for years are robots..... I wonder if their spouces know this.
Would make for interesting sight when it comes to the kids.. who btw have played too....
So they are robots....................
Wonder if they answer to Isic Azamov's 3 rules of Robotics?
 

The Old Man

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Oh dear Lady S...You did'nt realise that you are the only human playing the game? The rest of us, including Smoot are robots! lol
 

Lady Storm

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EKKK!!!!!
OK Bonnie if I am the only one you need have to worry about cause I am the last Human in the game then please change the bulk order books to 1 item count please...
 

Olahorand

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Not only the BOD books should be changed, also all the rewards and tools should be stackable. I would not care, if these prospector tools, shovels, runic tools would only function, if taken away from the stack, but there is really no need to store each of them single in game. But seems nothing, we can get the developers overly interested for (see gifts like the snow tiles), since they still think "storage sells". But then - please do it. Sell storage in the store above the 60% we have now.
 

Lady Storm

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Wont happen.
Mesanna said no more storage upgrades.... but she is not the top word on this... EA can put a foot in it if money is mentioned...
 

FrejaSP

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We already store so many items, that it is crazy. In old days, I could live in a large villa without trouble, now I need castles. We need back to a more simple life, we use far to much time sort items and to little time hanging out with others.
 

Lady Storm

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In another thread a person said they talked to an EA rep and was told Broadsword bought us..meaning UO and DoAC.
If that is true... what is the hold up on this tiny change?
It would keep more in the game and less stressing out over room.
As FrejaSP said Just to house your bods to where you have enough to make the good items that are usefull you need a castle even on Siege!
As of late sense we went to the cloud the quality in play is deminished due to the lag...
Its every shard I visited yesterday...
I was not alone having to wait while boxes or chests I clicked on took a time to register I wanted them open!
This makes for hazzardus play for many.
Taking out the npc's who are just holding Bulk Order Books will cut back on some of the lag.
What now takes 20 vendors could fit in a few color cordenated picnic baskets set up in my crafters bags!
And not be a issue!
And think, those who sell in the books would only need 1 vendor - 2 max if you separate Smith from Tailor.
Not the army we see all over.
 

Tomarke

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First off thank you for looking and to my fellow players who look and add in their 2 cents.

I dont know about how the rest of the crafters out there feel about the Dev's answer about not doing anything about the Bod Books.
But I wanted to give this a go where perhaps a compromise can be reached that both side might go for.
Originally I and many of my fellow crafters asked for bod books to have their 4/1 lock down count ratio removed.
As was done for the Blue and Pink deeds for skills.
Mesanna was clear no change was forth coming.
I would like to take this opertunity to then explain why we have requested this over and over.
A bod book holds 500 bods and that takes 125 lockdown/item count to hold for any player.
To place a bod up to that limit your character must strip every item they have in their pack, on their body, and then hope they have storage enough to hold all their belongings and then wonder how they ever will be able to pull out the bods once they all in there.
*The removal of the item count to 1 lock down would have opened up alot of storage for many players. Not to mention the cutback or complete removal in npc vendors to hold non-sale bods.*
This is no joke.
The request to remove the count was an honest need the crafting community has asked for.
The dream of my Tailor and Smith to be able to hold all their bod books and work in a more logical way seemed to have been busted when you declined any change.
So
Would you consider raising the count to a more manageable size?
The 4/1 ratio raised to say, 20/1 or 25/1 which would cut the books down at 500 bod full book to take up 2o item count in a pack making them both fillable to the max and eleviating the need for my crafter to strip out of her stuff to get a needed bod.
I would also request the abilitys to drop/remove bods on a locked down book, a menu for access to book as the other 2 books do.
Mesanna I am not alone in the fustration this has been for years.. many have thrown out their books and given up.
Ladys and Gentelmen add your 2 cents to this and perhaps we can have a dialog with the Dark Lady on a solution to this...

Well said, I agree completely.
 

Lady Storm

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I know the dev read the posts... would you be so kind and say something on this?
At least consider what we ask.
 

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Let me put into perspective something about storage that I recently said to Kyronix lets just look at a few things...

We've offered 100's of suggestions about reducing the lockdowns of our homes but are told we just should throw away things instead of trying to use them. Anyone who crafts will tell you that in order to try to attempt to craft you feel the need to have 4 accounts with Castles on them just to hold the 100's of BoD's Thousands of ingredients, 100's of tools, different stations for crafting, and tons of junk you get when you do craft turn in bods or anything else. To make things for the High Seas cannons you need not only every crafting skill in the game but you need 100's of materials..... many of which take up room.....

If you fish you need 3 chests to fill with Fish, Crab, lobster, Tools, Bait, plus you wind up with 100's of books, not to mention the thousands of items you fish up which don't stack, pillows, nets, paintings, parts, and pieces, now armor, weapons and other colored items..... the stones, rocks, stone boots, shoes, sandles, etc.....lets not forget the parts of ships to make and orc ship too.

God forbid you might want to do Treasure Chest hunting too because you will need 100's of storage for the vines and other junk you dig up most of which is not worth enough points to bother taking home to even throw away from points.

Then there is Imbuing and the dozens of ingredients you need to do that.... reagents for mages, necromancy, mysticism..... 100's of things you can get from the Abyss much of which also doesn't stack....We aren't even getting in to stealing and all the stuff I can steal, craft, create, deco with.... Then there are plants, seeds, trees, deeds, what about all the Mondains Legacy items that are part of the quests there, fangs, ears, map parts, and other things the list goes on and on. That's not even talking about weapons, armor, jewelery, potions, petals, food, scrolls, spellbooks, Powerscrolls, Stat scrolls, etc... just to keep your character outfitted... soulstones, soulstone fragments... we haven't even talked about Gold yet either... Some folk are still waiting on Gold being something that is just a number... hopefully account bound.

Then we get gifts... do you have any clue how many hundreds of thousands of gifts we wind up with? Even at 6 accounts that's 42 items if we only get one thing..... if we get 4 things in a bag that's no less than 210 items... per holiday.... that's over a chest full... now you multiply that by what Valentines, Anniversary, Xmas, etc....... that's over 1k in items in a year.... Not to mention Halloween stuffs, Event Stuffs, etc.... you're talking more than 1,200 items in just that a year.... that's only on ONE SHARD.... that's not mentioning Xshard trading to try to get a set..... etc..

Every player in UO can gather over 4k in items in a year easy. You do the math and multiply that by the 17 years of UO you all might see why we complain constantly about space and storage..... and then you all put in that god awful refinement and I know you worked hard on that.... but that added over 200 or more items that again don't stack..... when we tried very hard to beg to make it more simple..... but you all didn't listen.

I just don't think that you all really realize how much stuff there is in the game. And if you go back to 17 years of collecting stuff... there is Power, Vanq stuff, old items that don't spawn anymore like moonstones... crystal balls, some of the old necro regs from before.... folk love to collect stuff.
 

Lady Storm

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Boy do I hear you Mal..!
I really do.
Bonnie remembr when we first started UO?
The 15 lock downs and 1 125 item/400 stone secure per house.
Didnt matter the size...
You had as much storage as you needed just make anouther crate and stack it so no one could reach over the barrier at your door.
I can honestly say I learned back then to be a packrat of items...that training to not frivolously toss out things that had a value.
That stash has in the last few years have proven to be worth alot of gold.
AS Mal said EVERTHING in game is linked to our storage.
While some players have used their gifts in deco and seek more of.. others trash them of vendor them to make a gold coin.
When I hunt t maps the junk gets sent to the imbuer and made into mats...
Each of my Crafters, tamers , archers, cartogrphers, thieves, and every other type of character has things they need to work in game.
I have tried to slim down to just 1 tool and have the tink make as I go.... I WAS MISERABLE... I HATED IT.
If this was how I had to survive in UO I am sorry I would quit.
To hell with the time I have invested in my game play.
It wouldnt be worth it.
This will not hurt UO.
Bulk Order books at 1 lockdown would only make it more user friendly.
The reward system for doing the bods Does need a revamp... we have given ideas for both smith and tailor..
I am sure we can come up with more for you to look at..
Just ask us..
I am sure we all know how tied up you have been and still are..
This will help in the long run.
 

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Let me put into perspective something about storage that I recently said to Kyronix lets just look at a few things...

We've offered 100's of suggestions about reducing the lockdowns of our homes but are told we just should throw away things instead of trying to use them. Anyone who crafts will tell you that in order to try to attempt to craft you feel the need to have 4 accounts with Castles on them just to hold the 100's of BoD's Thousands of ingredients, 100's of tools, different stations for crafting, and tons of junk you get when you do craft turn in bods or anything else. To make things for the High Seas cannons you need not only every crafting skill in the game but you need 100's of materials..... many of which take up room.....
Resources for all your craft skills together, won't fill more than a few chests, same with your tools, you do not need 100 of each tools.

If you fish you need 3 chests to fill with Fish, Crab, lobster, Tools, Bait, plus you wind up with 100's of books, not to mention the thousands of items you fish up which don't stack, pillows, nets, paintings, parts, and pieces, now armor, weapons and other colored items..... the stones, rocks, stone boots, shoes, sandles, etc.....lets not forget the parts of ships to make and orc ship too.
You do not need to keep all this stuff. 2 boxes for fish and crab/lobsters, tools, one for baits, you can combine them. About the stuff you fish up, if you don't need it as deco, get it on vendor or turn it in to clean up Britain. I just leave the boots where I fish if I do not have BoD for them

God forbid you might want to do Treasure Chest hunting too because you will need 100's of storage for the vines and other junk you dig up most of which is not worth enough points to bother taking home to even throw away from points.
Again, sell it or turn it in, gems, scrolls and gold do stack
I would love this mess of fish to stack as I would have easier with selling them, just like we sell potions and petals.

Then there is Imbuing and the dozens of ingredients you need to do that.... reagents for mages, necromancy, mysticism..... 100's of things you can get from the Abyss much of which also doesn't stack....We aren't even getting in to stealing and all the stuff I can steal, craft, create, deco with.... Then there are plants, seeds, trees, deeds, what about all the Mondains Legacy items that are part of the quests there, fangs, ears, map parts, and other things the list goes on and on. That's not even talking about weapons, armor, jewelery, potions, petals, food, scrolls, spellbooks, Powerscrolls, Stat scrolls, etc... just to keep your character outfitted... soulstones, soulstone fragments... we haven't even talked about Gold yet either... Some folk are still waiting on Gold being something that is just a number... hopefully account bound.
Many of this deco items are not meant to be stored in h0uses unless used as deco. I agree , it would be nice to see plants stack, as players often will want to buy several of each kind for deco

Then we get gifts... do you have any clue how many hundreds of thousands of gifts we wind up with? Even at 6 accounts that's 42 items if we only get one thing..... if we get 4 things in a bag that's no less than 210 items... per holiday.... that's over a chest full... now you multiply that by what Valentines, Anniversary, Xmas, etc....... that's over 1k in items in a year.... Not to mention Halloween stuffs, Event Stuffs, etc.... you're talking more than 1,200 items in just that a year.... that's only on ONE SHARD.... that's not mentioning Xshard trading to try to get a set..... etc..
I'm a packrat too and here is my problem. I really need to sell, what I don't need for deco or turn it in. I really don't need one of each color/name unless I want to run a museum.

Every player in UO can gather over 4k in items in a year easy. You do the math and multiply that by the 17 years of UO you all might see why we complain constantly about space and storage..... and then you all put in that god awful refinement and I know you worked hard on that.... but that added over 200 or more items that again don't stack..... when we tried very hard to beg to make it more simple..... but you all didn't listen. /
To make it more simple, we need to learn to trash/sell, what we really don't need. Some stuff like refinement may need to stack, but only in small stacks of 20 or so.
I have 2 castle filled with items but most of it, I really don't need. BoD books would free a lot place if they changed them so small BoDs was including in large BoDs when you get them, there would be no need to keep all this small and large BoDs unless you are working to get the resources to fill them.

I just don't think that you all really realize how much stuff there is in the game. And if you go back to 17 years of collecting stuff... there is Power, Vanq stuff, old items that don't spawn anymore like moonstones... crystal balls, some of the old necro regs from before.... folk love to collect stuff.
 

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Well I do run a very big museum..
4 castles worth of infact.
I try to get 1 of each event item for display..
I will admit one is sort of a display and storage of the very old items and no way would I Trash can any of it.
Freja we all have things our smith or tailor need and well when you are lucky to get 1 to 4 of those different hammers. You know the dull , shadow, and val type, well I just dont toss them willy nilly.
Yes they can be sold.. but If I need a few for me... well as I tell my son 2 here 4 there and 6 there add up.
Same with the kits for tailoring... yes I sell them but I also make suits so a good deal I Do use..
Cloth from the system I keep a set of it in the colors it comes in and when I need to make stuff I will grab what i have alot of and make the bods. My Fletcher is case in point. I do heartwood to get the different tools and have at times been very fortunate to get a good hand full.
There again I do sell them but I will not short change my own needs just to cut back on what is in my storage.
Hold the phone here............
Why the hell am I justifying my holdings to anyone?
Thats my business!
I pay for the accounts those homes are on and I earned every damn gold coin I make and have.
I am not asking Mesanna for more storage to be created!
I AM asking for help in KEEPING what I got.
Namely what should of been in the first place when bods were able to be booked.
I understand the Gods of UO love war...
But the supporters of that fun death you so love need a little love too.
Without a crafter how far can you go to decorate a home?
Think about it.
(supposition) Let's say everyone with a crafter dumped the skills and went full warrior.
No more crafting being done...
Now try to decorate a home up to style of today...
Its not that easy on shards tht have so small a population and what there is of it dont craft.
Its getting there.
More and more pressure to dump bods is happening.
Not just for space but for the whole of crafting as well.
How hard can it be to understand that making the books less of a burden on the whole of UO is good for UO.
 

Smoot

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i dunno what you people are complaining about. guy on the trade forum just bought up 250,000 bods and he doesnt seem to have a problem.
 

Lady Storm

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You dont have problems if you have the vendor space to place them. But the lag will be murder.
Think how many books that is each book holds 500 max thats 500 books equiling 125 lockdowns each.
Or 1 vendor.
If we got the 1 item count/lockdown it would be a few vendors or 4 chests to store it.
Think on living next door to that house or houses with that many vendors... and all that lag.
 

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You and I are not hording BODs but you can't tell me that nobody is hording BODs. Look at how many folks in this thread alone have said something along the lines of "I have a <type of house> at the limit of storage, number of vendors, etc just for holding BODs".
Define 'hoading' bods. We have large collections but the size of my collection had absolutely no bearing on your individual ability to do or not do bods. You can accumlate and get them as fast as anyone else.

The problem is you need several thousand to even get to be serious about completing bods. (Taking bribing out of the mix)

Consider :

Ring Mail - 4 Smalls for 1 Large - 5 bods to complete, 9 different metals, Ex and Normal and 3 quantities. In Ring bods alone there are :
9 x 2 x 5 x 3 = 270 DIFFERENT bods. As you go up metal types it is exponential in terms of the 'odds' of getting a bod. IE you will get 1,000 DC smalls before a single Valorite small.

In Chain - only 3 smalls so 4 total - same number of colors/quantity : 9 x 2 x 4 x 3 = 216 different bods

Plate is a mess with 7 bods to a set (1 large/6 small) = 9x2x7x3 = 378.

So - for Smith ONLY there are 864 DIFFERENT armor bods. Keep in mind you get 50% weapon bods when you get new bods so even if you were incredibly lucky and go NO duplicates - you would need to collect 1,724 bods before getting one of each.

Thus, you need a crapload of bods to even begin to be serious about 'doing' bods.

Like I've said - get a point system and honestly - make all bods convert to 15 quantity and you would cut down 66% of all bods NEEDED and make the system much more achievable.

If you do NOT have 5-7k bods you are not a serious crafter/bod completer. It is that simple. EA/UO/Mythic needs to make less difficult to store all these damn things or fix the system.

My fix :
* get rid of do a bod, get a bod
* points for completed bods to spend on items
* all quanties change to 15 across all bods
* bod books hold 500 with 1 lockdown
* unlimited bribing

Half the reason I can't get bods done is you can only bribe 2-3 times per NPC a day. When you have 20,000 that need bribing and other smiths on the shard - pretty soon allt he NPC's are bribed up for the day. I'll never get all of these done. I've actually considered xfering bods to other shards to bribe there and bring back to less populated shards.
 

Theo_GL

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You dont have problems if you have the vendor space to place them. But the lag will be murder.
Think how many books that is each book holds 500 max thats 500 books equiling 125 lockdowns each.
Or 1 vendor.
If we got the 1 item count/lockdown it would be a few vendors or 4 chests to store it.
Think on living next door to that house or houses with that many vendors... and all that lag.
Whoa, whoa whoa..... are you making fun of my house?

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This is my place on Great Lakes with only half of the Vendor packs open. 40+ vendors all holding bods with another 10 chest in the house for sorting. I would like to take all these vendors down if I could just store them reasonably.

Hell, pipe dream of 1,000 bods in a book with 1 lockdown. Then I'd have it all for 20 or so lockdowns and you wouldn't be lagged up by my vendors.
PLUS the Vendor search would so much faster!!!!! Isn't that good for everyone?
 

Lady Storm

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No Theo
I am not critasizing your nice home and your bod collection.
In fact I prase your post that the Dev look at this in a different light then they have been.
We need this change..
Think of the cut down to your vendor needs!
Our crafters could honestly sit at the bank and work and produce.
My point was and still is the NEED for change in the books status.
 

Smoot

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does anyone else find it a bit ironic that the person with 100 accounts is having storage issues?
 

Tomarke

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does anyone else find it a bit ironic that the person with 100 accounts is having storage issues?
I have two accounts and have massive storage issues. One of my two houses is completely dedicated to BODs. Don't think the problem directly correlates to how many accounts you pay for.
 

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Resources for all your craft skills together, won't fill more than a few chests, same with your tools, you do not need 100 of each tools.



You do not need to keep all this stuff. 2 boxes for fish and crab/lobsters, tools, one for baits, you can combine them. About the stuff you fish up, if you don't need it as deco, get it on vendor or turn it in to clean up Britain. I just leave the boots where I fish if I do not have BoD for them


Again, sell it or turn it in, gems, scrolls and gold do stack
I would love this mess of fish to stack as I would have easier with selling them, just like we sell potions and petals.



Many of this deco items are not meant to be stored in h0uses unless used as deco. I agree , it would be nice to see plants stack, as players often will want to buy several of each kind for deco



I'm a packrat too and here is my problem. I really need to sell, what I don't need for deco or turn it in. I really don't need one of each color/name unless I want to run a museum.

I deco for a living. It's what I do ..... It's what I love. Beyond RP there is nothing else in the game that I enjoy more than design and deco... so yes I do need to keep all that. Anyone who knows me on GL's and many other shards knows I deco and design.. I've done it for free, for fun, for pay... as a favor, and because I enjoy it. I always have things when folk need them. Hedges, pumpkins, xmas trees, things for every season... I loan them out I use them to decorate for events, I give them away.

I've never had a vendor really. I do throw things for points I've probably used at least 12 million in points and also still have close to 4 million in points so I do throw things away.... but some things I enjoy collecting. I suppose it's how you play your game. But if we weren't meant to collect and enjoy the gifts and things then why are they given? If they are given just to toss then well.... I'd rather have the points and pick what I like.
 

Lady Storm

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On the contrary Smoots I dont have any trouble with storage on most shards.
In fact i have one castle that has only 3 things locked down on the floor.
I havent had time to get to deco it yet....
But I do have homes on other shards that are like many others out there that are not castles and struggle to keep enough room to work out of.
My reason for this request is not for myself alone.
I do have friends who are getting ready to give up their bod work as they are tired of juggling books andI too am tired of the strip to get a bod routine.
AS for the amount of accounts I pay for.... key words are I PAY.
I am no different then any other player in UO.
But I think in this I want to yell louder to get the dev attention to the plight of the crafter.

 

Swt Lippy Hippy

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lol @ the 100 account question, does someone really have that many? say that isnt so. lol I have been following this post since I made my own comment. I noticed alot of back and forth stuff that just seems to be the same thing over and over. I think that if you decide to do the bods, that is just part of the choice to make on your storage issues. We got bod books to help hold them. I remember when I had a house just to hold the single bods. I am so happy to have the bod book. Just like you choose to have collections of all the puppys or kittens, are you going to ask for a doghouse book to hold them too? I wouldnt ask for that. lol I think there are other things that the Devs need to work on that is more important than the storage limit of a bod book. No offense to crafting. My first two characters I made were crafters. I respect people who like to be collectors and love to see nice deco houses. It is a choice of what you want to do with your space you are allowed or have purchased. But if you can not manage your bods with 4 castles... something is not right. lol The things about the bods I dont like are the rewards that are outdated. I have another idea about bods that seem to take up so much of your space. If it is so difficult, why not give new tailors some of your collection of bods. Inspire other characters to be into crafting. Pay it forward on your good fortune in the game to a actual new player coming to UO for the first time. I am also a fisher, should I ask for a stringer in my pack that holds my fish at 1 stone per fish? I dont think so...lol This post is just my own opinion and not meant to offend anyone by how much or how little you have, or 50 accounts or just one. After reading through this topic tho, I had to get lippy and express myself and lol @ a few of these posts. Whether a person is paying on one account or 200 should not affect the decision of what the Dev team decides to do.
 

Lady Storm

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Well Lippy
I own 53 accounts of which 47 are active.
Smoots was making the comment on that.
Not one person here has pushed for preference due to ones account holding to the dev..
So dont go putting trouble where there isnt any.
As for the storage and the bod book issue.
Many of us no matter the shard who are doing the Bulk Orders have issues with keeping enough of them to creat those hammers, PoF, Bless deeds... etc.. The players so want to buy.
As you said you have read the posts here and you can see by just the numbers of bods to make the stuff.
The pictures Theo put up just how many vendors it takes to keep a viable number of bods at hand.
Even with the bribe system which helps, we have a great deal of bods that await parts.
They dont just come when you need them ether..
As one pointed out how hard it is to get a Valorite bod...
I think I have inthe whole of UO history got 4.
Two of which are larges... parts for them are like hens teeth...scarce as all hell.
Might I add to all who have not done bods to any great extent.
To get those great use items it can take alot of bods to get just 1 PoF...
Did you think they grew on UO Trees???
Now for your fish analagy.... To be honest I adore fishing in UO.
And you cn catch me fishing at least 1 day a week... The fish ARE too damn heavy.
But it has in no way impeeded my fishing.
Same with the Bods.
I need the bods to make the items so the vendors muliply as I get more to hopefully make those items I need and sell.
All I ask is what has been done to the Alacrity and Transcendence books.
Make the Bulk Order Books 1 item count.
This would help twards storage, with a menu that allows for access like storage containers.
The ability to drop and remove bods on the book when not in the pouch.
The second part we all ask for some changes to the rewards.. and have given many ideas for new stuff that might go over for everyone.
Yes it is sounding like we keep repeating ourselves...
But it sometimes takes alot of repeating to get it through to the right people to make changes.
 

Petra Fyde

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Can we simmer this down? I don't really want to have to close it.
 

Swt Lippy Hippy

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Sorry Petra I am just a Peon here. I will just read for a while before I get in trouble. :) I did not mean to cause trouble at all.
 

Lady Storm

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Your ok Lippy... he is not making any trouble Petra...
All I did was explain it to him... for the average player it is hard to fathom that many accounts active belonging to one person.
Funny thing is Lippy, many members have alot of accounts and according to the old UO account reps my holdings is paultry compaired to some. Beleave me lippy I didnt want that many but when push came to shove I couldnt not take them and give my friends the chance to return..
As for the bulk order books and a change to the reward system for doing them we do need this...
If you or any have ideas for something to add to the reward table please by all means add it here.
 

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Adjust the rewards, but for crying out loud fix the BoD handout. I started doing them again, and again my legendary blacksmith went to pick up his 3 bods...two of em were daggers, and one ringmaill tunic. So another day or two of this, and I will be done with BoDs again...
 

Swt Lippy Hippy

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I agree that the bod returns for a 120 tailor or smith do get upsetting. :) And for the record, I am a girl hippy :) lol
 

Lady Storm

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Talked to a few on catskills last night about the bods when they too were complaining about the kind of drops they were getting.
120 smith getting 2 dagger bods is a bit low dont you think? now the 3rd was a aga plate but still. geesh
Later last night an old friend I was told quit... was sad to know he left. He was a crafter as his work didnt leave much but a bit of taming time and working his bods. My friend who told me said to tell the dev they want the 1lock down/count. They read stratics but dont have account.
 

Lady Storm

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I know this new patch is important but Dev you do need to address this please...
We need this change and I guarantee you we will help in ideas for rewards...hehe
 

Lady Storm

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There is another thread that made a query on making bods clean up points...
Please do not listen to that idea as a real solution.
Theo is right that we do need the books updated.
Make them 1 count.
This would make it much easer to look through the books for what you need as they wouldbe able to be in hand.... you know that thing with fingers.
This would also need to be accessable locked down so like Sot book make them with a drop and menu to sort and then look at the content.
I have noticed if a system for reading the skill level is in place it might need a bit of tweeking... early skill level crafters can use the small larges and cloth bods for skill gains... but to get a bandana bod at 120 is kind of silly.. same with smith a dagger at 120 is not exactly bribable up to a val bod.
 

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Making them, so you can remove or add BoDs when in Secure or locked down, would be ok.
Making them 1 count, when locked down or in Secure, I hope that will never happen.
They already make people store far to many BoDs
Tell me one good reason, that you should be able to store so many BoDs.
 
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