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Salya Sin
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Did you even read the thread before you posted?Trammies go to a idoc thinking ooo ya loot, being trammies they go uninsured.....
Reds come along and say ooo uninsured suit, I know I check trammies when I see em in fel.
Next thing you know a trammie has their whole blue guild crying about a bug or exploit and wah wah wah I lost my whole suit other people are hacking cry cry cry, post on stratics and cry cry cry.
Honestly whats more trammie then that?
Who hasn't seen this before raise their hand.
Had it been a lax in insurance gold, I wouldn't have bothered posting this. insured/blessed suits HAVE dropped before and four cases happened in a 16 hour period. You are willing to simply write it off as mere stupidity for all cases?
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IDK who exactly we are talking about here but the one guy you even admitted on ICQ you were giving insurance gold. You say that one guy is a pvper... couldn't it be possible that those who claim they are not pvpers and not used to the environment could have easily made mistakes such as this, since your pvper guy obviously did?
Im telling you Zuckuss, those people died multiple times. They were running to the house as an escape and we chased after them. We weren't camping the house. They even tried once to gather to the SW to try for a formal charge from "behind". It wasn't like they weren't *trying* to kill us with their pets (super dragons, cu sidhe, tb faction friends). Why else would they be gating more and more ppl in consistantly? You'd think they'd be trying to gate OUT instead.
Use your head man.
They died a lot. Their insurance ran out. Or they forgot to insure their new items. Or they forgot auto renew. Or some combination of all of these. It's happened to everyone at least once.
Happened to me recently when I made a char on another shard. I forgot to put auto renew on. I pvp daily. If this can happen to me you don't think it could happen to these people who admit they aren't regular pvpers?
Please.
Please actually read the thread. Please don't pretend you know how much insurance everyone had. Please do not assume, that since one person said he needed gold, that all four people lost all their insurance. As stated above, the idoc was not the only scenario this happened. As stated, these are people you fight and try to raid on a daily basis. Your proof that all four of them ran out of insurance is the fact that someone asked for gold?
Me thinks thou dost protest too much.... Of course there is a bug and has been for years. Please dont insult the intelligence of seasoned veteran players; especially Pvpers. They are too careful and used to being prepared. I personally think it stinks that the game allows this and furthermore I think the players that do it are just mean spirited people .The devs know ,I know and so do many of you trying to sell the insurance ran out garbage., the overweight By accident? and other explainations
How about call it what it is and stay out of Feluntil it is fixed.
Now with imbuing and all this enhanced ability ,the "anty" is upped and those few who are too lazy to work the skill want what others have worked hard for, the old bug has returned.
It is time the powers that be put a stop to it. Uo is starting a new age and it is the best addition in years dont let this bunch of cheaters ruin it.
How about call it what it is and stay out of Feluntil it is fixed.
Now with imbuing and all this enhanced ability ,the "anty" is upped and those few who are too lazy to work the skill want what others have worked hard for, the old bug has returned.
It is time the powers that be put a stop to it. Uo is starting a new age and it is the best addition in years dont let this bunch of cheaters ruin it.
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Malador
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Yea well I dissagree. I dropped a full suit once when I crashed while picking up a large stack of fish steaks. The suit was fully insured and there was 30 mil or so in the bank. My character was over weight until a GM removed the fish steaks from a hidden backpack on my character and I had to loot the suit with another character while wiating for the GM so I checked the insurance when I picked the items up.
There have been well documented bugs and the coincidence it too great in this case.
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altarego
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Yes, I am.
No blessed items dropped in this case.. Nystul showed pictures of the alleged 'blessed' items. Now there is a bug that removes the blessed property too?
Wow I guess Nystul showing pictures of some of the stuff he has must be concrete evidence that there were no blessed items that dropped. I am glad you do not work in our legal system sir.
Wow..so you were there at all the occurrences and confirmed with each and every person this occurred to that no blessed items were dropped? You sir are amazing!
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I wasn't at the IDOC - I don't even have a character on that shard, so I'm not going to get into the "throwing random accusations about" debate.
I don't believe that there is a "make stuff drop" hack - if there were, suits would drop daily in Felucca.
I do believe that there is a bit of bad coding somewhere which VERY OCCASIONALLY allows items to drop, but only under very specific conditions.
I once dropped my suit, and all the contents of my backpack: including runebooks, spellbooks, blessed clothes, insured suit and weapons. (I play in Fel enough to know how to autoinsure, and to keep cash for it.)
My suit dropped in Trammel, during an invasion.
The game was incredibly laggy, with a lot of packet-loss at the time.
In the debate that followed on the forums, the best guess that anyone came-up with was that the extreme lag/packet loss messed-up the code which should have put my stuff back in my pack.
There is no need for accusations: By the current developers own admition, the UO code is a tangled mess that nobody really knows how to fix.
This is where the source of the problem will be found; not in the hands of those naughty reds.
I wasn't at the IDOC - I don't even have a character on that shard, so I'm not going to get into the "throwing random accusations about" debate.
I don't believe that there is a "make stuff drop" hack - if there were, suits would drop daily in Felucca.
I do believe that there is a bit of bad coding somewhere which VERY OCCASIONALLY allows items to drop, but only under very specific conditions.
I once dropped my suit, and all the contents of my backpack: including runebooks, spellbooks, blessed clothes, insured suit and weapons. (I play in Fel enough to know how to autoinsure, and to keep cash for it.)
My suit dropped in Trammel, during an invasion.
The game was incredibly laggy, with a lot of packet-loss at the time.
In the debate that followed on the forums, the best guess that anyone came-up with was that the extreme lag/packet loss messed-up the code which should have put my stuff back in my pack.
There is no need for accusations: By the current developers own admition, the UO code is a tangled mess that nobody really knows how to fix.
This is where the source of the problem will be found; not in the hands of those naughty reds.
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slaveone
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This whole thread is a complete farce. It's more than obvious that these people were ill prepared to venture into Felucca got killed a bunch of times and their auto insurance either turned off due to lack of funds or maybe they had newer chars they had recently soulstoned skills onto and had never enabled toggle auto insurance. Which would allow the items to stay with them on their first death but drop to the ground upon their SECOND death! Those are the two most common reasons for this happening. It's happened to "almost" everyone at one point or another.
BUT even with as funny as these whiners are about losing their suits and claiming in game bugs nothing in this thread and i mean NOTHING compares to the total laughablilty of the above quote! I practically spit up the coke i was drinking when i read it. Hundreds of Thousands ROFL dude seriously I hope you PVP a whole lot better than you lie! Cause thats a FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR stretch indeed!
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One thing about Nystul, love him or hate him, if he has blessed items someone dropped he would have shown them.
So you naively believe statements and claims of a bug/hack that causes insured items and blessed items to fall to corpses and remove the blessed property - yet NO ONE is able to recreate it? You sir are amazing.
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slaveone
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That may be true. But considering he has to lie about the number of people he's PKed. I mean seriously 100's of thousands LOL. It does put his honesty into question somewhat....
These debates always turn into heated flamefests when there is only hearsay and no hard evidence. Yeesh.
I agree with the person that said there is no suit hack to make items drop, or it would be happening tons. I definitely think there is an insurance bug. A long while ago I died in despise and when I went to loot my corpse my insured ring was on the body, not on me. All my other insured stuff was in my bag as per usual.
I had a guildmate whose suit dropped along with a runebook - so I believe even blessed items can drop as well under certain conditions, unless this was one of those really old non blessed runebooks which I can't imagine it was as the guy was a pvper and of course died here and there and would have noticed if he'd had to insure his runebook ever.
I think there's just something wacky with the coding, unfortunately it seems like they can't reproduce these instances of when issues happen so they can't really do anything about them.
It sucks to lose a nice suit or weapon to a bug (or forgetfulness). Most pvpers will return stuff unless there is bad blood, because they know they have a limited number of opponents they get to fight and reducing that number by pissing them off and making them quit is detrimental to their enjoyment of the game. And also when you don't return stuff karma gets you a week later and your own stuff drops.
Dunno if a pvper would care about returning the stuff of someone who doesn't regularly pvp though, not like they would lose out on competition otherwise. Couldn't hurt to ask or try to arrange something though. *shrugs*
I agree with the person that said there is no suit hack to make items drop, or it would be happening tons. I definitely think there is an insurance bug. A long while ago I died in despise and when I went to loot my corpse my insured ring was on the body, not on me. All my other insured stuff was in my bag as per usual.
I had a guildmate whose suit dropped along with a runebook - so I believe even blessed items can drop as well under certain conditions, unless this was one of those really old non blessed runebooks which I can't imagine it was as the guy was a pvper and of course died here and there and would have noticed if he'd had to insure his runebook ever.
I think there's just something wacky with the coding, unfortunately it seems like they can't reproduce these instances of when issues happen so they can't really do anything about them.
It sucks to lose a nice suit or weapon to a bug (or forgetfulness). Most pvpers will return stuff unless there is bad blood, because they know they have a limited number of opponents they get to fight and reducing that number by pissing them off and making them quit is detrimental to their enjoyment of the game. And also when you don't return stuff karma gets you a week later and your own stuff drops.
Dunno if a pvper would care about returning the stuff of someone who doesn't regularly pvp though, not like they would lose out on competition otherwise. Couldn't hurt to ask or try to arrange something though. *shrugs*
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La Belle you do tend to dramatize dont you.
1. NO reason to gate people into an area that pvping is occurring at unless you intend to pvp and need more numbers.
2. I have no idea what your intentions were. I just know what I saw, and that was you all calling in more and more people, running in and out of the house, getting pets, charging us at times, calling in stealthers. If you did not intend to fight this was not necessary... was it?
3. You were not there for the IDOC. K. Not sure why you couldn't have met up elsewhere then...
4. I don't know how you could possibly believe this is true. Sponge Bob was one TB that repeatedly ran in and out of that house. Bush dexxer.
5. Nothing blessed was looted by anyone I know. Period. Nothing was looted off of a corpse that was even insured.
6. The group I speak of forcing down on us from the SW gathering point had pets and stealth archers. IDK exactly who all was there. THere were approx. 6 ppl, all blue, at that point.
-No one said anyone felt threatened. See how you dramatize?
7. Sad you're making the skeleton crew of a dev team we have left waste time. You and I both know the truth, regardless of what you post here. It was human error, not any sort of game mechanics. Do you really believe that any pvper looked at your suit and said "ohhh I want that!"
I am not putting you down I am speaking realistically.
1. NO reason to gate people into an area that pvping is occurring at unless you intend to pvp and need more numbers.
2. I have no idea what your intentions were. I just know what I saw, and that was you all calling in more and more people, running in and out of the house, getting pets, charging us at times, calling in stealthers. If you did not intend to fight this was not necessary... was it?
3. You were not there for the IDOC. K. Not sure why you couldn't have met up elsewhere then...
4. I don't know how you could possibly believe this is true. Sponge Bob was one TB that repeatedly ran in and out of that house. Bush dexxer.
5. Nothing blessed was looted by anyone I know. Period. Nothing was looted off of a corpse that was even insured.
6. The group I speak of forcing down on us from the SW gathering point had pets and stealth archers. IDK exactly who all was there. THere were approx. 6 ppl, all blue, at that point.
-No one said anyone felt threatened. See how you dramatize?
7. Sad you're making the skeleton crew of a dev team we have left waste time. You and I both know the truth, regardless of what you post here. It was human error, not any sort of game mechanics. Do you really believe that any pvper looked at your suit and said "ohhh I want that!"
I am not putting you down I am speaking realistically.
I have to throw you a bone sometimes just so you know I still care.
Malador posted on this thread. Did you 2 want to take it to a private chat room?
I don't know about the cantankerous nonsense occurring in this thread, but I did indeed lose an entire suit to "The Insurance Bug©" once. Of course, it was about one week after insurance first came out, and it's never happened since. So I'm betting that if it's still happening, it's an extremely rare and random bug, not an exploit or hack, as there's pretty much no way that someone could have come up with an entire hack after a week and keep it almost entirely secret for nearly 7 years.
Ive had it happen to me, saw it first hand.
Are you call me stupid over the internet and hide behind your keyboard? Most likely since you seem to have no problem grouping a large number of people together and dismiss their observations , calling *them* stupid. Whatever.
I've seen every combination happen. Exploit; hack; bug; ran out of money and didn't realize it; didn't have auto-renew turned on and didn't know it; forgot to insure an item; etc.
Fortunately, both the bug and the exploit appear to be pretty rare.
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Fortunately, both the bug and the exploit appear to be pretty rare.
-Galen's player
All I posted, was that 3 suits had fallen in a short period of time. My thoughts were that it is a hack OR bug. I for sure know that things did not happen as intended game mechanics wise. I never said that anyone was running around and dropping suits at will. I was stating that three players dropped their suits and it had nothing to do with lack of insurance. Wherever you people take this from here is up to you.
Perhaps you needn't worry about being so defensive as no accusations have been posted here.
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I can when people are sending mass ICQs making accusations. People you work closely with.
Im baking an insurance bug cake.
Here's how.
I'll take one part market flooded with uninsured imbued items.
One part Zerglings graveyard rushing with a negative 10:1 kill death ratio.
A touch of poor situational awareness.
Some denial.
THROW THAT BAD BOY IN THE OVEN
BAM OUT COMES THIS THREAD.
Let me give you 3 points of advice.
1. Put gold in the bank
2. Insure your items and turn on autorenew
3. Don't die more than you can afford.
Here's how.
I'll take one part market flooded with uninsured imbued items.
One part Zerglings graveyard rushing with a negative 10:1 kill death ratio.
A touch of poor situational awareness.
Some denial.
THROW THAT BAD BOY IN THE OVEN
BAM OUT COMES THIS THREAD.
Let me give you 3 points of advice.
1. Put gold in the bank
2. Insure your items and turn on autorenew
3. Don't die more than you can afford.
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Malador
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That is just it Lynk. When it happens no properties have been removed. I personally have looted insured items from the the corpses or others. The issue simply ignores the insurance property or the blessed property and drops the items. They are still insured when picked up.
Not necessarily. It might not work all the time, it might work only under very particular conditions, as many exploits are wont to do. The last insurance hack I heard of specifically had a fairly easy way to block it, but not everyone is necessarily aware of that fix.
Do I believe insurance hacks exist (or at least have existed)? I certainly do. People I trust implicitly claim to have been the victim of them.
Do I believe they are common, easy to do, or always work? Obviously not, for the reason you point out. In fact I believe that most of the time something like this is alleged to have occurred, it actually hasn't. But most is a long ways from never.
I'm honestly not sure if I've ever been the victim of one or not. I cannot tell you with 100% certainty that every time I've lost an item it wasn't due to some screw-up on my part. The most I can manage is maybe 75% or 80%.
As to the case that spawned this thread: How the Hell do I know? I can't and won't address this particular case.
But no good purpose is served by denying that these things have happened, or have existed.
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Malador
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Your logic is skewed Lynk.
Do you believe the moon exists or the Sun? You cannot recreat those things, no one can but you have seen them. Some of us have seen the effects of the insurance bug. I have also dropped things I forgot to insure but when you open a corpse and loot items that say they are insured you have witnessed someone being affected by the insurance bug. I have seen this.
lol...
great, now EA will be wasting their time looking for something that don't exist.
it's okay. as soon as they try a harrower i'm sure we will get another suit. the last harrower they did they successfuly killed two people, one time each... we had 4 players. they died at LEAST 70 times total between everyone added up. it don't take a rocket scientist to figure out what's going on here.
people dying over and over & running out of insurance = very likely (Admitted in one case)
people imbuing fresh suits & not insuring them = very likely (happens ALL the time... can't count how many imbued items I hear about people looting)
so the two suits we got they died a ton. both suits were imbued fully. hmm.
if there WAS a bug/exploit that made players drop ALL their possessions we would have heard about it by now. It would NOT have ONLY happened 3 times... on ONE shard. It WOULD have happened dozens if not hundreds of times. If players were able to produce this exploit & get it to happen, they would be after the players w/ 100mil+ bows, val crafter items etc... not players w/ 4mod imbued unenhanced armor.
please oh please make sure you post up again when you find NOTHING. I'd like a good laugh.
Show me one legit screenshot that show's a corpse full of insured and/or blessed items.
Thats right. Do it.
Of course that's easy to do. Get your friend, kill him. Res him & throw all the insured/blessed items in the corpse. Screenshot it & be like OMG WORD DEWD BUG.
Come on man, you killed no where near that many. You killed 70 characters and still lost the raid? Please....
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CatLord
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Hello Kelmo.
This thread is about something that is sad to see in UO...
You see old one...
Defeat on these boards,
Defeat on the spawning field, mostly to trammies,
Defeat on the harrowers, again mostly to trammies...
Defeat on the faction war, mostly to trammies...
Then members of the allied forces lose their suit with only two common denominators.
- the new patch
- the same guild running around
Add to that a warning by one of their own guildmates, for us to move out or we would have extra trouble... (extra means, not the usual pvp)
Total number of lost suits: 6
Every player patched, had gold (even had hold shift for context menu... etc)
Same guild involved in the looting of the items... and asking 2-6 mil to return them.
So we did what we could...
- we sent a report to the devs
- we enforced economical sanctions on those guild vendors
- we sent some stealthers to watch their dedicated heartwood crafters, lumberjackers and miners
you know, the usual war tactics...
This thread is about something that is sad to see in UO...
You see old one...
Defeat on these boards,
Defeat on the spawning field, mostly to trammies,
Defeat on the harrowers, again mostly to trammies...
Defeat on the faction war, mostly to trammies...
Then members of the allied forces lose their suit with only two common denominators.
- the new patch
- the same guild running around
Add to that a warning by one of their own guildmates, for us to move out or we would have extra trouble... (extra means, not the usual pvp)
Total number of lost suits: 6
Every player patched, had gold (even had hold shift for context menu... etc)
Same guild involved in the looting of the items... and asking 2-6 mil to return them.
So we did what we could...
- we sent a report to the devs
- we enforced economical sanctions on those guild vendors
- we sent some stealthers to watch their dedicated heartwood crafters, lumberjackers and miners
you know, the usual war tactics...
lol...
you fail at comprehension.
there's no point trying to explain it to you if you FAILED to understand it the first time.
next time ill take close to one hundred screenshots and show you whats up?
we would have NOT lost the raid if we didn't come AT THE END. not my fault you pansies try to sneak things off cause you're so scared.
Hack? Lol. Just an attempt to slander your opponents and guilds you hate even more so. If it was a hack then why is it only a few items dropping, not all of them? Are you going to claim it's some kind of target specific hack? You want one item so you affect a different character and tell UO you don't want a certain item to stay on the corpse?
And if it was a hack then it wouldn't be happening so much in PvM as well.
Bug? Sure, sounds likely. As the devs explained once before, insured items fall to the corpse upon death only to be transferred over to the ghosts bag. Sounds like some of the items just aren't getting transferred to the ghost.
And if it was a hack then it wouldn't be happening so much in PvM as well.
Bug? Sure, sounds likely. As the devs explained once before, insured items fall to the corpse upon death only to be transferred over to the ghosts bag. Sounds like some of the items just aren't getting transferred to the ghost.
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Funny we pvp in yew or faction cities or spawns every single day all the time and this mysterious bug/hack/whatever never happens.
Maybe it's some mystery hack that only works on ppl that don't regularly pvp.
Yeah that must be it.
Let's just lock this thread already eh?
Maybe it's some mystery hack that only works on ppl that don't regularly pvp.
Yeah that must be it.
Let's just lock this thread already eh?
Shard pvp does not belong here.
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