There should be a penalty for killing fellow faction members.

[jack flash uk]

if you had a fair grasp of the English language, you would feel really dumb right now. But as it seems you do not, you may continue in your ignorance.

lol 36 posts what a hero, so you have no real input or influence here then


i wonder how many of your other many posts are trolls aswell

well done

 

[Lynk]

and to you of course, best also wait till your a big girl to play adult games

Gosh you are an easy target.

Back on topic, I disagree with the OP. Should not be a penalty.

 

[kelmo]

*shakes head* Some just need killing, no matter what. Just because a character joins the same faction I am in does not make that person a team mate.

 

[They Call Me Al]

lol 36 posts what a hero, so you have no real input or influence here then


i wonder how many of your other many posts are trolls aswell

well done

Pot meet kettle.

I guarantee there is more intelligence in my 36 posts than all 1300 of yours.


Anywho,,

how about getting back on topic. Clip your trollnails on your now time.

 

[jack flash uk]

*shakes head* Some just need killing, no matter what. Just because a character joins the same faction I am in does not make that person a team mate.

is that not the whole point of joining the faction, to be part of a team fighting others?

or was it just for the artis Kelmo?

 

[kelmo]

*laughs* You don't know me.

 

[jack flash uk]

Pot meet kettle.

I guarantee there is more intelligence in my 36 posts than all 1300 of yours.


Anywho,,

how about getting back on topic. Clip your trollnails on your now time.

doubt that very much

 

[jack flash uk]

*laughs* You don't know me.

lol sounds dangerous

 

[Lynk]

is that not the whole point of joining the faction, to be part of a team fighting others?

or was it just for the artis Kelmo?

No, that isn't the whole point of joining the faction.

 

[kelmo]

*smiles*

 

[Lynk]

*smiles*

You have spinach stuck in your teeth.

 

[kelmo]

Hey now! ummm thanks.

 

[Xenobia]

and to you of course, best also wait till your a big girl to play adult games

Huh? This statement makes absolutely no sense to me. Anyway, I don't pretend to know anything about factions as I have never joined one BUT it seems to me that they fight alot...is that not the point? When you have the raids on other factions, you work together but when you are not doing that stuff, you are just another player. Am I wrong? Factions is not some small family owned and operated guild where you guys hang out and talk on the phone and stuff right? Again, I have no clue about the system but I would be weary of anyone in factions (including my own if I were in one)

 

[Lynk]

Actually Xenobia you understand it much better than Jack does.

And you're not alone in being confused by that post.

 

[kelmo]

Huh? This statement makes absolutely no sense to me. Anyway, I don't pretend to know anything about factions as I have never joined one BUT it seems to me that they fight alot...is that not the point? When you have the raids on other factions, you work together but when you are not doing that stuff, you are just another player. Am I wrong? Factions is not some small family owned and operated guild where you guys hang out and talk on the phone and stuff right? Again, I have no clue about the system but I would be weary of anyone in factions (including my own if I were in one)

That is just the beginning of it. What happens when a rival guild joins the same faction you are in just to avoid being killed?

 

[The Fallout]

If there were an infinite number of factions to choose from I'd agree with you. Since there are only 4 this means a guild/player (if they want to be in factions) is forced to choose the lesser of the evils. Just because they are in a faction that you also happen to be in, it doesn't mean you are instant allies, hence why they are still allowed to attack you.

Obviously you are just upset because someone killed you. Lighten up a bit and don't expect everyone in Fel to play by your rules.

I am sorry but sometimes I'd like UO to actually go along with some lore. If in the Ultima world you are killing your own allies, do you not think the faction would take action against that member? If people want to kill anyone then THEY should not be joining a faction. I should not have to get used to something that doesn't make any sense.

 

[The Fallout]

*shakes head* Some just need killing, no matter what. Just because a character joins the same faction I am in does not make that person a team mate.

Actually it does, considering you are *supposed* to join a faction for the benefit of that faction, killing its members does not benefit that faction.

 

[The Fallout]

Huh? This statement makes absolutely no sense to me. Anyway, I don't pretend to know anything about factions as I have never joined one BUT it seems to me that they fight alot...is that not the point? When you have the raids on other factions, you work together but when you are not doing that stuff, you are just another player. Am I wrong? Factions is not some small family owned and operated guild where you guys hang out and talk on the phone and stuff right? Again, I have no clue about the system but I would be weary of anyone in factions (including my own if I were in one)

A group that kills each other when not in combat with the enemy will not succeed at all.

 

[Flutter]

Nah then ppl would all join one faction and never flag on anyone. Zerg is big enough on your shard without making it even harder on everyone else.

 

[Xenobia]

That is just the beginning of it. What happens when a rival guild joins the same faction you are in just to avoid being killed?

Again, I am not in factions and I am not arguing...I am only observing. However, from what I have been reading in this thread, joining a faction does not exempt you from being killed? (This is kind of a learning process for me so sorry if I don't quite understand what you are saying)

 

[The Fallout]

Nah then ppl would all join one faction and never flag on anyone. Zerg is big enough on your shard without making it even harder on everyone else.

There should at least be the option to give them a murder count, I do see your point though.

 

[Xenobia]

A group that kills each other when not in combat with the enemy will not succeed at all.

Then I would join a guild and not factions? There are rules in guilds that would be more to your liking I think and couldn't you still have guild raiding parties? Or do they do that anymore? I do miss seeing all the fights in Trammel though. Someone posted about that in another thread. That was fun to watch

 

[Flutter]

Nah then ppl would all join one faction and never flag on anyone. Zerg is big enough on your shard without making it even harder on everyone else.

There should at least be the option to give them a murder count, I do see your point though.

You should have been able to count him normally. People in your own faction should appear red/blue/grey and flag normally to you. Is this not happening?

 

[OxAO]

It's a bunch of bullcrap. We are supposed to be allies or something, we are in the same faction. Killing factions members enough times should get you booted from the faction or something.

This has always been the biggest problem with factions in my opinion.

The development team doesn't want to make it into guild wars only because many people wouldn't be able to or want to get into guilds. Then you had to go red in order to play factions other wise the spies would cause to many problems.

now the have this free for all idea. Which in my opinion will most likely forces guilds to kill anyone that in their faction if they are not in their own or allied guild or someone they know.

The team unintentionally created guild wars.

 

[Lynk]

In my experience, even when opposing guilds share a faction, they team up to kill an orange threat before fighting each other. This isn't always the case, but a standard tactic is to eliminate the threat that can take you out of commission for 20 minutes.

 

[kelmo]

That is just the beginning of it. What happens when a rival guild joins the same faction you are in just to avoid being killed?

Again, I am not in factions and I am not arguing...I am only observing. However, from what I have been reading in this thread, joining a faction does not exempt you from being killed? (This is kind of a learning process for me so sorry if I don't quite understand what you are saying)

Faction hopping used to happen all of the time where I play. On our shard it is more gang (guild) related... Joining a faction to try to stop getting killed? naw.

 

[The Fallout]

You should have been able to count him normally. People in your own faction should appear red/blue/grey and flag normally to you. Is this not happening?

Al three were in a guild and in TB. They all jumped me when I was blue. One of them was red the other two were blue. I died and I didn't get the option to give a murder count and I got put in stat.

 

[Roland']

It's a bunch of bullcrap. We are supposed to be allies or something, we are in the same faction. Killing factions members enough times should get you booted from the faction or something.

I dont know about other shards, but on SP you lose 50% of your punkte and 50% of your life force.

 

[shadowdame]

if you aint wcb or jsv... you aint tb. and if you disco the pets of allies ill kill you as quick as i can(if I can, a pretty big if these days).... If you are really tb and not some tamer looking for monster ignore try hanging out and getting to know some of your comrades.they all have non faction alts, and if you attack any of our people we will kill you regardless of punkte loss (which by the way is the penalty for killing a non allied tb). Sorry this is seige perilous, and some idiots will run characters in several factions in order to run their games... Try trammel, i hear they love rules over there.... SHADOWSPAWN "TB FA LIFE>>>DAAAAAAAWG!!!!!"

 

[Eyes of Origin]

Like i said about the 5th post in... when there are oranges present you should back off faction members in your own faction. Like Lynk said, its not always the case, but its the option that makes more sense. When oranges arent present, a few friendly or maybe not so friendly fights with members in your same faction, shouldnt be an issue. If it was unprovoked, count them, if was then treat it as a duel and get over it.
You should be able to still count the red or blue for a murder and I dont believe you get put into stat for being killed by a member of the same faction, unless something has changed. (I'll test this one out a lil later )
Maybe you killed yourself with a trap box and stated yourself or maybe some orange got the kill shot on you? *shrugs*
If you dont like the people you are currently sharing the faction with, you could always switch factions.. but then those same ppl would for sure put you in stat.
I still think dont think any changes should be made to factions regarding this, but thats just my opinion.

 

[kelmo]

If and when factions is ever revisited... I hope we can create our own.

 

[HeathBar]

I am sorry but sometimes I'd like UO to actually go along with some lore. If in the Ultima world you are killing your own allies, do you not think the faction would take action against that member? If people want to kill anyone then THEY should not be joining a faction. I should not have to get used to something that doesn't make any sense.

Perhaps this is why you are confused. Go read uo.com, it doesn't say faction members are not allowed or shouldn't kill each other. It only says rival factions are agressive towards each other. Of you are interested in following some other kind of lore you might want to join a Rp guild instead of factions.

 

[kelmo]

I am sorry but sometimes I'd like UO to actually go along with some lore. If in the Ultima world you are killing your own allies, do you not think the faction would take action against that member? If people want to kill anyone then THEY should not be joining a faction. I should not have to get used to something that doesn't make any sense.

Perhaps this is why you are confused. Go read uo.com, it does say faction members are not allowed or shouldn't kill each other. It only says rival factions are agressive towards each other. Of you are interested in following some other kind of lore you might want to join a Rp guild instead of factions.

That is rather nieve...

 

[kelmo]

I mean the UO thing...

 

[The Fallout]

Perhaps this is why you are confused. Go read uo.com, it does say faction members are not allowed or shouldn't kill each other. It only says rival factions are agressive towards each other. Of you are interested in following some other kind of lore you might want to join a Rp guild instead of factions.

They are explaining the functions of the factions, not the lore. It does not change the fact that people aren't being penalized in-game for killing fellow faction mates.

 

[kelmo]

*sighs* Sometimes I do not think we all play the same game.

 

[Divster]

you mean this isn't duke nukem online? dang

 

[Xenobia]

if you aint wcb or jsv... you aint tb. and if you disco the pets of allies ill kill you as quick as i can(if I can, a pretty big if these days).... If you are really tb and not some tamer looking for monster ignore try hanging out and getting to know some of your comrades.they all have non faction alts, and if you attack any of our people we will kill you regardless of punkte loss (which by the way is the penalty for killing a non allied tb). Sorry this is seige perilous, and some idiots will run characters in several factions in order to run their games... Try trammel, i hear they love rules over there.... SHADOWSPAWN "TB FA LIFE>>>DAAAAAAAWG!!!!!"

Huh?

 

[kelmo]

if you aint wcb or jsv... you aint tb. and if you disco the pets of allies ill kill you as quick as i can(if I can, a pretty big if these days).... If you are really tb and not some tamer looking for monster ignore try hanging out and getting to know some of your comrades.they all have non faction alts, and if you attack any of our people we will kill you regardless of punkte loss (which by the way is the penalty for killing a non allied tb). Sorry this is seige perilous, and some idiots will run characters in several factions in order to run their games... Try trammel, i hear they love rules over there.... SHADOWSPAWN "TB FA LIFE>>>DAAAAAAAWG!!!!!"

Huh?

Sad thing... I understood it.

 

[red sky]

Simple, do this...

If you attack someone in the same faction, have a gump come up similar to the murder count one asking if you would like to report this murder to faction HQ. If you choose yes, they get a strike (PERMANENT STRIKE), if they get three (in a single day or their life), they are ejected from the faction and cannot rejoin a faction PERIOD!

Some might not like this, to you I say, up yours! Nothing is worse than happening alone a same faction member and then getting the gank squad of 4 or 5.

So you're saying that guild A can join TB and do a despise and then guild B who does not like guild A but happens to be in TB as well would be booted from the faction for trying to raid guild A? Thus resulting in immunity for guild A as long as they stay in the same faction as guild B?

 

[[LGND]]

If you want a penalty for killing a "fellow' faction player, go to siege. You lose part of your lifeforce when you kill someone within your faction. Theres your penalty. =]

 

[Capt.E]

My spidey senses say if you stop interfaction fighting then everyone on your server will eventually be in the same faction. Which kinda defeats the purpose of going to fel in the first place. Please don't bring tram to fel. It's no consent pvp, and one of the reasons I love uo. Not being able to attack with pets is lame enough, and in my eyes kinda trammie-riffic. I do understand it was implemented for siege rules, but seriously, your getting griefed, go on another toon??? Your in stat loss anyhow. My 2 gp's

 

[Goldberg-Chessy]

It's a bunch of bullcrap. We are supposed to be allies or something, we are in the same faction. Killing factions members enough times should get you booted from the faction or something.

You are playing factions & whining about social graces? That is rich.
EVERY person that plays factions(allies or opposing members)steals kills, rezzkills, and does all types of bs just to get precious points/rank. Whats your point?

You didnt mention any type of gank so I will assume that you died 1 vs 1.
Get over it. You died to another player and are now whining on the boards?
Pathetic.

 

[Viper09]

My spidey senses say if you stop interfaction fighting then everyone on your server will eventually be in the same faction. Which kinda defeats the purpose of going to fel in the first place. Please don't bring tram to fel. It's no consent pvp, and one of the reasons I love uo. Not being able to attack with pets is lame enough, and in my eyes kinda trammie-riffic. I do understand it was implemented for siege rules, but seriously, your getting griefed, go on another toon??? Your in stat loss anyhow. My 2 gp's

First, if interfaction PvP was stopped, NO, not everyone on the server would be the same faction. If people want to PvP obviously you wouldn't be in a faction that everyone else is in if it means you can't attack others.

Second, no one here is talking about bringing tram to fel.

Take your 2 gp's back

 

[Nexus]

If and when factions is ever revisited... I hope we can create our own.

I hope they remove the sad system they have in place and put in one that works.

Issues I have with Factions:

1. What purpose do they serve anymore?
2. Why can players with Factions Items benifit from them in Trammel?
3. Why can one faction have 300+ members and another 2?

Now to explain these.

What purpose do they server anymore? LB is gone..Minax is off licking her wounds, CoM err ok what ever their leadership hasn't played a role in UO in what? Come to think of it how many of you know who leads CoM? His name is Anon. As we all know the Shadowlords recently got their tails handed to them and Revlo (who actually leads the SL Faction) has been afk since forever. Yea they don't serve much purpose story line wise anymore.

I'd rather see the Champ Bosses or Peerless Bosses form Factions for players to join. At least they still show up now and again.

Why can players with Faction Items benefit from them in Trammel? This never ever made sense to me. Mr. Hardcore PvPer, exploits Faction Point system so his Tamer can run around Trammel decked out in Arties that he can replace cheaply.

Why can one faction have 300+ member and another 2? It was stupid removing the balancer for Storyline purposes. It's worse that it's left out, faction balancer needs to return. I don't care if your guild won't fit in factions anymore, break up and fight each other for the fun of it. I don't care if you don't like the only faction recruiting is not one you like..Don't join then. Oh and put town guards back in Fel.

 

[Restroom Cowboy]

You are playing factions & whining about social graces? That is rich.
EVERY person that plays factions(allies or opposing members)steals kills, rezzkills, and does all types of bs just to get precious points/rank. Whats your point?

You didnt mention any type of gank so I will assume that you died 1 vs 1.
Get over it. You died to another player and are now whining on the boards?
Pathetic.

Just because you are a bottom of the barrel PvPer does not mean that everyone else is. Quit using the *everyone* excuse, its lame and disrespectful towards the rest of us.

 

[Winker]

If people want to kill anyone then THEY should not be joining a faction. I should not have to get used to something that doesn't make any sense.

I would rather not be in factions tbh! But the devs seen fit to give factions a masive advantage over evryone else with faction arties. If youre not in factions and want to PvP you stand no chance now, doom arties just make you the underdog.

Take out the faction arties and i would be more than happy to just be a red guildie fighting anyone i choose to fight

 

[Coragin]

So you're saying that guild A can join TB and do a despise and then guild B who does not like guild A but happens to be in TB as well would be booted from the faction for trying to raid guild A? Thus resulting in immunity for guild A as long as they stay in the same faction as guild B?

Simply yes. The point of being in a faction is you are SUPPOSED to stand for what the faction stands for! Take this in real world terms. In WWII we were not on good terms with russia, however, we put aside our differences when it came to stopping the nazies.

Now how would it have turned out IF when our soldiers were "bored" in or near a camp where russians were, we just up and killed them cause "There is not anyone else around to fight"? No, they didnt do that!

You wanna go on a kill all rampage? I have no problem with that, but you have no place in factions if you are going to kill your own army members.

I am sure glad people like this do not run the world. Were bored and Sadam Hussain is gone, lets drop some bombs on Paris because they have something we want. Even though we are allied with France, they might get that one PS FROM US!

In short, if you wanna kill everyone but those in your guild, you do not belong in factions and you are going completely against what they stand for. This is just as much a valid argument as the babies who cry about faction arties that get used in tram. Only more so, because when you join a faction you kinda expect that your fellow factioneers will you know, not be a bunch of little kids and understand what they mean.

Quick, without looking it up, can you tell me what your faction stands for? Its means? Why it was created? Who runs it? What its virtues are?

Gosh I remember the days when if you were red and came by a red, you didnt just out and attack, you actually talked. Reds didnt attack reds, blues didnt attack blues.

So yes, you should be denied from killing those in yoru same faction. Part of being in the faction.

 

[Coragin]

You know what? Quit friggin crying about faction arties in trammel! Its old, its not gonna change! And now that imbuing is out, you can make a great suit that is better than all the dumb faction arties!

 

[Coragin]

Hmmm, I'm surprised not a single person has mentioned this....

Make it so dev gods:

kill a fellow faction member and all your points are forfeit to them. (this of course would mean that they would have to update faction points more often)

in an instance where your faction points are forfeit in such a manner, you can't get any more for an 8 hour in game time period. (the same period of time taken to work off a short term count).

Seems to be the most simple way to thwart people from "team killing" yet not completely banish it.

Anyone have a better solution?

I like this. Maybe make it impossible for a char on that account to get a champ reward during this time too.

I also like someone elses idea of if you are in the same faction, you just cant attack others in yoru faction period.