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Your repeated attempts to derail this thread and avoid discussing the topic of this thread have been noted.So let me get this straight. If I personally use a script then I'm a cheater, but if I find somebody else to log on my account for me and run a script I'm not a cheater? Awesome.
As I already posted, using those sites isn't a violation of the TOS, and if you want to discuss the ethics of using those sites, I suggest you start another thread. If you want to discuss art hacks and what can be done about them, or even if anything should be done about them, this is the thread to do it in.
If all you want to do is obfuscate and confuse the issues, or engage in personal attacks, I would suggest that you stop posting.
Some one has to tell the OP to stop trolling the boards with this hyped up spinfest every 2 weeks.
Like I first said when and if you can get a dev team member to comment I'd love to see but this is fast becoming a effective way for all of us to up the post count.
Like I first said when and if you can get a dev team member to comment I'd love to see but this is fast becoming a effective way for all of us to up the post count.
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Jesusislord
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Here are the facts from someone with no bias against anyone:
-Changing art doesn't make things currently unpassable, passable.
-A simple change in your .cfg file will allow you to walk through gravestones in Felucca. This is not a hack in anyway.
-Changing art allows even the most modern computers to handle dozens of field spells and players on the screen with a lot less cpu loss. (less lag)
-Changing art for field spells is important for speedhackers so their computer doesn't explode.
-Speedhacking and the enhanced client accomplish the same thing. They allow people to skip and jump across the screen. This requires turning, straight lines never matter. It's not simply obstacle collision avoision with enhanced client.
-'Hacks' as they exist in UO, are rather benign. In most cases they are done to compensate for the 13 year old clients' failings. Annoying at most.
-There's too much talk about hacks, but nothing about exploits. Exploits are the silent killer of video games. Duping, the skill bug, old house break in bugs.. exploiting the actual game through gameplay.
-Changing art doesn't make things currently unpassable, passable.
-A simple change in your .cfg file will allow you to walk through gravestones in Felucca. This is not a hack in anyway.
-Changing art allows even the most modern computers to handle dozens of field spells and players on the screen with a lot less cpu loss. (less lag)
-Changing art for field spells is important for speedhackers so their computer doesn't explode.
-Speedhacking and the enhanced client accomplish the same thing. They allow people to skip and jump across the screen. This requires turning, straight lines never matter. It's not simply obstacle collision avoision with enhanced client.
-'Hacks' as they exist in UO, are rather benign. In most cases they are done to compensate for the 13 year old clients' failings. Annoying at most.
-There's too much talk about hacks, but nothing about exploits. Exploits are the silent killer of video games. Duping, the skill bug, old house break in bugs.. exploiting the actual game through gameplay.
Actually I believe you are wrong about that. There have been hacks in the past that have allowed characters to run through things like crates, candelabra and bag balls. Maybe they don't work anymore, or maybe I was misinformed and they aren't art hacks, but historically there have been hacks that allowed players to run through objects of that nature that would normally block movement.
Having said that, that was only a small example of the kinds of advantages art hacks offer. There are plenty of other real, and unfair, advantages offered by art hacks, such as detailed and clear labelling of fields, and much more.
I wasn't talking about that. I've heard that that configuration change actually doesn't get rid of the tombstones, so I'm guessing they will still block movement. But because they don't appear in the enhanced client at all they should probably just be gotten rid of. They do offer an unfair advantage to those using the enhanced client.
This is flat out nonsense. Art hacks in the classic client offer absolutely no performance advantages to someone playing on any reasonable gaming computer, and certainly any desktop manufactured in the past five years. This is typical of the kinds of excuses cheaters make for their behaviour.
Again flat out nonsense, but I won't repeat everything I've already posted on that topic.
That's actually pretty funny. That's exactly the same argument that those who supported the use of scripts have made over and over again. The truth is they offer real advantages not available to those who refuse to use them because they are a violation of the TOS. If they didn't offer real advantages, no one would use them. Fields that are clearly labelled, colour coded, and much easier to target than those using unmodified art files offer a clear, and in some cases, decisive advantage. And that's just one example of the kinds of advantages offered by art hacks.
Both are destructive, but I'd argue that hacks are probably more destructive in the long term because they they don't get fixed the way exploits do. All those examples of exploits that you listed have been fixed, and will continue to be fixed as they come to the attention of the developers. Most of the art hacks have been with us for at least a decade, and the only "fix" for them will be client file consistency checks.
Wrong...the devs have stated in the past that using sites that uses illegal programs (and you're aware of it) is against the TOS and illegal. They just can't do anything about it.
(See old debate of champ cam sites)
Please post a link, and quote the appropriate section from the TOS. My guess is you can't supply either. Or better yet, find that link and the appropriate quote from the TOS and post it in it's own thread.
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CatLord
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There is a simple solution... to cheating.
Make the list public.
Which characters used which 3rd party application.
That alone would make many of the stratics posters to go quietly into the night and never post again...
Accountability... an adjective long forgotten in Ultima Online.
Make the list public.
Which characters used which 3rd party application.
That alone would make many of the stratics posters to go quietly into the night and never post again...
Accountability... an adjective long forgotten in Ultima Online.
It's against their TOS to release names of those doing so.
Privacy laws and all that, you know.
Plus, some programs that should be legal, are not considered so. For example, I believe Cartographer still has not been added to the list. So it could be considered a third party app.
*squak* Please folks, try not to feed this troll anymore. 
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AesSedai
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- Cheating is bad; I look forward to the further enforcement and/or changing of the rules we all continue to agree to follow (and many, like myself, have read all of the rules that we all agree to, everytime we login).
How funny when confronted with your own cheating, you obfuscate and deflect.
Oh the irony is astounding.
(and you don't read the TOS very well)
And you still haven't posted either the quote, or the link. The only logical conclusion I can draw from that is that neither of them exist...
The Next Step -
1. Take Excel spreadsheet with list of accounts using illegal 3rd party programs.
2. Ban for 7 days every single account infringing TOS in the Excel spreadsheet
3. Wait 7 days. Go back to Step 1.
This whole process could be automated and not even need any human intervention.
Why isnt this being done? Is the server side 3rd party program detection is BS and the Excel spreadsheet does not exist.
1. Take Excel spreadsheet with list of accounts using illegal 3rd party programs.
2. Ban for 7 days every single account infringing TOS in the Excel spreadsheet
3. Wait 7 days. Go back to Step 1.
This whole process could be automated and not even need any human intervention.
Why isnt this being done? Is the server side 3rd party program detection is BS and the Excel spreadsheet does not exist.
I may be wrong but I think that they are waiting for player reports to act against accounts that didn't make it to the top of the list in the first round of bans. In other words, if you see someone cheating, and you want something done about it, report them. I think they may actually be acting against accounts where there are credible complaints made.
Bring me any "cheater" in game with all his scripts or whatever he is supposed to use, and I will give him a hard time in PvP. Without cheats, scripts or nifty faction items.
While I agree that cheating should be detected and punished, I think cheating iteself is overrated.
I might be tempted to agree with you if it weren't for the fact that I know who the toughest pvp'rs I've ever played against are, and I've seen the screen shots they've posted on private boards, and I can see evidence of some of the cheats they use in their screen shots. And if I can spot a number of cheats in a screen shot that doesn't include the Windows system tray, or anything else that would show evidence of other applications running on their system, you can bet the farm that what they are careless enough to allow into a screen shot is just the tip of the iceberg in terms of the cheats they are using. There is a direct correlation between how tough those pvp'rs are to fight against, and how funky the screen shots are that they post.
At it again Llewen? Admirable! And pointless as you may have noticed. But please everyone, do go on, the claims I see posted here absolutely amuse me! 
And really now, WAR on cheating? Cheaters have won all the wars against legitimate players loooong ago, where have you been?
And really now, WAR on cheating? Cheaters have won all the wars against legitimate players loooong ago, where have you been?
Here's an example from a screen shot posted by my buddy TBPOTS that I've posted about before ("The Best Player On The Shard"). No, I'm not making this stuff up. Those are fields, and that may not look like a big deal, but that makes working with, and around, fields much easier. And as I said, this was just what he let sneak through on a public forum, I can guarantee you there's a lot more there that he has carefully edited out (none of his screen shots include either the UO title bar, or the Windows system tray or start menu bar. Maybe he's just being neat and tidy?
Quoted just to show that of all the poster in this whole thread the only one who can appear to show a hacked client is the OP. I'm not claiming this is a set up but how odd?
I assumed the top of the list contained the 13 accounts that the EA server detected cheating the most, not the top 13 accounts reported by other players. Are you saying that the last 9 months of 3rd party program detection hype was all BS, and the Excel file is just a list of reported players?
Actually, all I could see from the pic you posted was a 1.5 cm lime green square with some dark flecks on it (clicking on it didn't help either). And yes, the person using that hack is cheating and so are you by your own admission.
Beyond the fact that you've just tried to subtly accuse me of cheating, which is a direct violation of the Stratics ROC, you've just given a rather funny example of what happens to "whistle blowers" and why very few have the courage to step up and talk about real problems they see around them, especially when they concern the conduct of others. It is inevitable that if you attempt to point out a problem, someone will attempt to ruin your reputation and accuse you of the very conduct you are attempting to shine the light of day on.
Thank you for your fine, and entirely predictable, example of human behaviour in this context...
No, that's not what I'm saying, I'm just saying that maybe now they will also act on player reports, or perhaps after that first round of bans they will be more likely to act on the investigations that result from player reports. But I at this point I have nothing to back that hunch up.
Seriously Llewen? You are this uptight about altering art files?
I alter just art files. I don't make things passable in my mul editor. That's right Llewen! Now you too can make your own art files and quit complaining! I have neon blue bolas, fields are teles, trees are stumps, and every rock, twig, branch that blocks my movement in game is a red tile so I know where to run and where not to run!
Because of these awesome modifications I can now fight 80 vs 1. That's right! These art files made me from being a crappy tamer to a super l33t mage overnight!
I alter just art files. I don't make things passable in my mul editor. That's right Llewen! Now you too can make your own art files and quit complaining! I have neon blue bolas, fields are teles, trees are stumps, and every rock, twig, branch that blocks my movement in game is a red tile so I know where to run and where not to run!
Because of these awesome modifications I can now fight 80 vs 1. That's right! These art files made me from being a crappy tamer to a super l33t mage overnight!
Duh...if Llewen did it he'd be so good it would be unfair to everyone else.
That's my poison field. Guess what? I still sleep at night.
I'm not saying you cheat, if anything I would expect your client to be pure as the snow is white, but since you posted a pic of a client looking greatly different from mine I have to wonder just where do you get these screeen shots from?
You always ask for other posters to provide a link showing the back up, so I shall simply do the same.
You always ask for other posters to provide a link showing the back up, so I shall simply do the same.
I know right! Llewen is probably googling all that information right now. Wait...I have a private message.
From: Llewen
To: jtw1984
Subject: Can I get these l33t haxxors?!?!?!
Hey man! I was wondering if you could hook me up? I heard that if you have stumps instead of trees you can kill ten more people. Is this true?
Me: Yup!
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Trebr Drab
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Some of you are making some really off the wall arguments. 
If server side illegal 3rd party program detection works, player reports for use of illegal 3rd party programs would be unnecessary.
So really the next stop would be to suspend cheaters for 7 days and to do this indefinitely every 7 days, all automatically so EA doesnt have to pay someone to manually suspend cheaters.
I just thought I'd remind everyone of this post. Under forty people have posted to this thread, and already two have openly admitted to altering art files or using altered art files on a site that has an openly hostile stance against cheating. If that many have openly admitted it here in this thread, you can bet that this is as big an issue as I have said it is.
I know exactly what you were saying, and so does anyone else who read that post. You may have thought you were being subtle, but it was as plain as the nose on your face.
As for posting a link to where those screen shots came from, they can be attributed to someone who is known by many on Stratics and in game, so posting a link that exposed them would be another clear violation of the ROC, and I'm not going to do that.
I'm not trying to protect this person, I've actively tried to have this person brought to justice more than once (and not for the use of art hacks which at this point the devs and the gms can do nothing about, which is of course the whole point of this thread), but I clearly can't start posting links to evidence which can be attributed to a specific person, for more than one reason.
Well for one thing, automatic bans are problematic. There is always the chance of a false positive, so they do need to be verified by a qualified person. Secondly we know that the devs haven't banned every account found to be in violation of the TOS with regard to third party apps. They made it pretty clear they weren't going to do that. So perhaps part of their procedures for acting on 3rd party cheat detection will include acting on player reports.
Obviously this is something I would like to have confirmed or denied officially.
How many ways do I have to say I don't care if you, or anyone else thinks I'm a cheater? Yes, I script. Yes, I alter art files. Yes, I run a speedhack. All three of these statements are true of well over 75% of the PVP population. We play the game to have fun. You play the game like it's a way of life.
Desolation= on/off This is the only way I personally know of changing any of the graphics in this game. Search this forum for desolation and you will see it's a perfectly legal mod since the inception of tram which was made to allow for players whom didn't wish to see gravestones and rotten trees, thanks for coming out.
I have seen one youtube video of a person who had edited the fields, hence the one person whom I knew of.
You can try to twist what I posted as best as you wish but at the end of the day only you have posted a pic of a char with edited tiles. It would be a simple conclusion to arrive at that your system must have been used to provide the original....
I have seen one youtube video of a person who had edited the fields, hence the one person whom I knew of.
You can try to twist what I posted as best as you wish but at the end of the day only you have posted a pic of a char with edited tiles. It would be a simple conclusion to arrive at that your system must have been used to provide the original....
This conversation has gone beyond acceptable.
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