Tanking Fallen Warriors. How do people do it?

[Basara]

You know, I'm STILL wondering why people keep saying "cast Enemy of One"

I do the same amount of damage to Fallen Warriors with a Pixie Swatter WITH OR WITHOUT ENEMY OF ONE, on a character whose only DI equipment are his Stormgrips.

Am I bugged to be permanently doing max damage with the swatter (around 117-140, depending if someone's corpsed them), or are you all not noticing? All EoO does is make me take double damage from everything else...

 

[Guest]

EoO makes no difference against them with a Pixie Swatter, neither does Con Wep since the Pixie Swatter is a Weapon of Bane against them, not only does it hit their Slayer Vulnerability, but also their Element Vulnerability. There was a rumor that a Bird Slayer Talisman let you do more damage to them, but i didn't notice any difference in damage while having one equipped and using Pixie Swatter or Overseer Sundered Blade against Fallen Angels.

 

[Guest]

EoO makes no difference against them with a Pixie Swatter, neither does Con Wep since the Pixie Swatter is a Weapon of Bane against them, not only does it hit their Slayer Vulnerability, but also their Element Vulnerability. There was a rumor that a Bird Slayer Talisman let you do more damage to them, but i didn't notice any difference in damage while having one equipped and using Pixie Swatter or Overseer Sundered Blade against Fallen Angels.

 

[Guest]

"Using pixie swatter, you use enemy of one and honor them just before you attack."

Hehe, not all Samurai's have Chiv, like my Samurai/Swordsman. He has 120.0 Swords/120.0 Bushido/120.0 Parry/GM Anat/GM Tact/GM Healing/80.0 Focus. Human JoAT howevers lets him have some chance to cast Close Wounds/Cleanse By Fire/Remove Curse. He seems to do fine against the Fallen Angels as well, but when hit with a combo and melee, i gotta back up to heal.

 

[Guest]

"Using pixie swatter, you use enemy of one and honor them just before you attack."

Hehe, not all Samurai's have Chiv, like my Samurai/Swordsman. He has 120.0 Swords/120.0 Bushido/120.0 Parry/GM Anat/GM Tact/GM Healing/80.0 Focus. Human JoAT howevers lets him have some chance to cast Close Wounds/Cleanse By Fire/Remove Curse. He seems to do fine against the Fallen Angels as well, but when hit with a combo and melee, i gotta back up to heal.

 

[Guest]

Crescent Blade is better for PvP than Rune Blades from what i've discovered. Combines Speed/Damage/2 Handed/Specials (Mortal Strike Mainly). Disarm is worthless against Wrest Mages, while Bladeweave is too unreliable to use effectively in PvP. Double Strike is useful after a Disarm (Especially if the Double Strike Weapon has Lightning/Fireball). Mortal Strike is great for keeping people from healing once you get them low.

 

[Guest]

Crescent Blade is better for PvP than Rune Blades from what i've discovered. Combines Speed/Damage/2 Handed/Specials (Mortal Strike Mainly). Disarm is worthless against Wrest Mages, while Bladeweave is too unreliable to use effectively in PvP. Double Strike is useful after a Disarm (Especially if the Double Strike Weapon has Lightning/Fireball). Mortal Strike is great for keeping people from healing once you get them low.

 

[Poo]

i dont know what the problem is.
i went in with my old school warrior.

mace
tactics
healing
anat
parry
then a little chiv and focus.

i had a 70 suit on, using a pixi swatter.
as long as its only one of them there was no problem.

and that is using no vamp/bushy hybred leech, no bushy honor leech.

just toe to toe fighting.

sure they hit hard and launch off the odd combo, but with bandaids rolling i didnt see any problem.
i was in last night for 2 hours and died only once solo.
then 3 times to a shadow lord AND a Demon Berserker
(they where the bread, i was the meat, you do the math)

 

[Poo]

i dont know what the problem is.
i went in with my old school warrior.

mace
tactics
healing
anat
parry
then a little chiv and focus.

i had a 70 suit on, using a pixi swatter.
as long as its only one of them there was no problem.

and that is using no vamp/bushy hybred leech, no bushy honor leech.

just toe to toe fighting.

sure they hit hard and launch off the odd combo, but with bandaids rolling i didnt see any problem.
i was in last night for 2 hours and died only once solo.
then 3 times to a shadow lord AND a Demon Berserker
(they where the bread, i was the meat, you do the math)

 

[Guest]

i thought they only had 1100 hp on them or was that there str? cant remember been a few days since i lored one.

 

[Guest]

i thought they only had 1100 hp on them or was that there str? cant remember been a few days since i lored one.

 

[Guest]

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i thought they only had 1100 hp on them or was that there str? cant remember been a few days since i lored one.

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They always roll the same stats, 1,000 in each. When they bless themselves, with their 150 magery and 100 eval, they go to 1,100 in all stats.

(And they do 38 damage to 70s resist, and 44 to 60s when they curse you. The curse bug that's going around makes that 44 more likely, though.)

 

[Guest]

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i thought they only had 1100 hp on them or was that there str? cant remember been a few days since i lored one.

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They always roll the same stats, 1,000 in each. When they bless themselves, with their 150 magery and 100 eval, they go to 1,100 in all stats.

(And they do 38 damage to 70s resist, and 44 to 60s when they curse you. The curse bug that's going around makes that 44 more likely, though.)

 

[Hex_Europa]

The book is called the Ossian Grimoire, was a 8th Anni gift

 

[Hex_Europa]

The book is called the Ossian Grimoire, was a 8th Anni gift

 

[imported_zeroshade]

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What am I doing wrong?

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I use a Samauri in vamp form, yes its gimp, but it works.... The sequence i use is normally this. With pixy swatter, darkwood suit, without eoo. Honoring helps

Evasion --&gt; Lightening Strike --&gt; Lightening Strike --&gt; Lightening Strike --&gt; Lightening Strike --&gt; Dead

Basically evasion gets you past the FS's, vamp form has life leach and doing 122-144 damage you gain about 20 hp a hit.

If you dont do this, best tact is to stay away and drain his mana first
let him cast some things run and heal
hell run out or low of mana then all you have to worry about is the 44hp a hit.

 

[imported_zeroshade]

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What am I doing wrong?

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I use a Samauri in vamp form, yes its gimp, but it works.... The sequence i use is normally this. With pixy swatter, darkwood suit, without eoo. Honoring helps

Evasion --&gt; Lightening Strike --&gt; Lightening Strike --&gt; Lightening Strike --&gt; Lightening Strike --&gt; Dead

Basically evasion gets you past the FS's, vamp form has life leach and doing 122-144 damage you gain about 20 hp a hit.

If you dont do this, best tact is to stay away and drain his mana first
let him cast some things run and heal
hell run out or low of mana then all you have to worry about is the 44hp a hit.

 

[BadManiac]

So essentially I'm screwed, since I don't play neon characters, so I can't wear darkwood suit. I hate to play evil characters, so no vamp form.
Essentially this event is for Elven Vampires? Good to know.

 

[BadManiac]

So essentially I'm screwed, since I don't play neon characters, so I can't wear darkwood suit. I hate to play evil characters, so no vamp form.
Essentially this event is for Elven Vampires? Good to know.

 

[Basara]

I'm running a human, Chiv Paladin with no Bushido, and consider the 35 skill necro vamp form to be a defacto exploit (please, devs, nerf this abomination), and 200 points in non-useful skills - cart &amp; LP - offset by 68 points of equipment skills).

I'm having fun, and killing them as quick as the others (just dying about twice as much as they do - don't let them fool you, I rez as many of them as I do any other player - I know that's what they are because after a rez the run to bank, put on the necro equipment, cast vamp, put the necro stuff back in bank, then come back in). That most of them didn't even notice that Enemy of One was having no effect on damage to the warriors, ought to be a clue that some of them were exaggerating their abilities.

So, it's not just for elven vampires.

 

[imported_Lord GOD(GOD)]

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Essentially this event is for Elven Vampires?

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No it's for everyone.

I've used the following chars:

Prov/Discord/Mage.
Poison/Sp weave/Mage.
Necro/Mage.
4/6 Chiv dexxer.
Ninja Dexxer.
Stealther.
Tamer.
Naked new char. (new shard wen't in with nothing came out with an lrc suit)

The majority of other people I see are on either archers or tamers.

There is always tons of items/money generated at events if you can't find something for you in it then it says more about how you play the game than the standard of the event.

 

[Guest]

OK so elf vamps are having a better time of it?

I have two sammies, one human w necro and ss no heal or anat and 110 pally but resist is only gm, and Im having a hard time regenerating stam without taking the hit on defense chance with divine fury. He has been wearing a virtue suit which works out ok, or maybe not. Just cant seem to get him to hit fast enough or something, died quite a bit.

MUCH better luck with my basic elf sammy in darkwood suit. Basic sammy platform no resist at all, which is how he has died mostly, gets cursed out of his armor. 115 swords 110 sam 115 parry gm anat heal tacts 80 focus. Dies some but in there well and truely and having fun. His dex is close to 160 but his str suffers and only 10 int so a whopping 30 mana.

The pally prolly just needs a lot more resist, im always getting mana drained. Having a great time w my weaver mage and just jeweled/ artied out a new stealther. had no idea how easy it was to run one of them even at only low 90s hiding

 

[Connor_Graham]

"MUCH better luck with my basic elf sammy in darkwood suit. Basic sammy platform no resist at all, which is how he has died mostly, gets cursed out of his armor."

You'll find that if you make the Darkwood legs and chest with Ash instead of Bloodwood, you won't get cursed out of your armor even by Dreadhorn, and will also get a much better spread on resists, especially for a Sampire.

It would be worth making those 2 pieces over again just so you have the option.

 

[Guest]

Thanks Conner,

I like that idea, although I am now putting dents in my desk from hitting my head on it. My over all resists are maxed for elf. But Ill give it a whirl and see what comes of it. again thanks.

By the way, has anyone else noticed that the virtue armor allow for all 70 resists no matter what form you are in?

 

[imported_Lord GOD(GOD)]

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OK so elf vamps are having a better time of it?

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No, at least not imo, being an elf doesn't add anything useful. The virtue suit or darkwood suits are basically just max resists, which you can build anyway with better mods if you build it out of other stuff.

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I have two sammies, one human w necro and ss no heal or anat and 110 pally but resist is only gm, and Im having a hard time regenerating stam without taking the hit on defense chance with divine fury. He has been wearing a virtue suit which works out ok, or maybe not. Just cant seem to get him to hit fast enough or something, died quite a bit.

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When you say 110 pally do you mean chiv? Ya don't really need it that high.
If you were wearing a decent suit the dci hit wouldn't matter.
How fast you hit depends on the weapon &amp; your stamina, you could try drinking total refresh pots if the weapon is one handed. But really you need to use a better suit imo for well anything. Or you could try using a stamina leech weapon if your hitting hard enough.

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MUCH better luck with my basic elf sammy in darkwood suit. Basic sammy platform no resist at all, which is how he has died mostly, gets cursed out of his armor. 115 swords 110 sam 115 parry gm anat heal tacts 80 focus. Dies some but in there well and truely and having fun. His dex is close to 160 but his str suffers and only 10 int so a whopping 30 mana.

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You have better luck on a char whos armor falls off? Have you tried building a suit with human fey legs, heart of lion/rbc, sammy helm, quiver of infinity (not necessarily all of these at once)... lots of dci, low or no str requirement good resists, allows you to get useful mods like damage increase which helps you leech back more life. Dex is capped at 150. I think you should get at least 100 resist and I don't know how your doing anything with 10 mana.

 

[Yenji Yasagari]

Sampires have ML SL SSI weapons generally. Mana leech gets your mana back. Vampire form gets your health back. Divine fury does good for stamina. And, on top of it, elf form is +20 mana. So 30 mana total, in essence, and you are leeching ALOT back by doing 100+ a hit.

 

[imported_Lord GOD(GOD)]

Ah yeah I read that wrong, 30 mana on his elf.

I've played the vamp/sammy chars too and with the right set up their as good as invincible, imo darkwood/virtue suit is not the right setup. He sounds like hes dying a lot &amp; I blame the suit.

The only char I see the point of having as an elf is my mule for rare resources any char that fights anything I prefer all the stuff JOAT gives.

 

[imported_BlacK RaiN]

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So essentially I'm screwed, since I don't play neon characters, so I can't wear darkwood suit. I hate to play evil characters, so no vamp form.
Essentially this event is for Elven Vampires? Good to know.

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So basically what you're saying is that unless its completely on your terms... its not fair?

So can I complain now that since I only play a smith because I'm a pacifist... I should be able to reap all the rewards of this event... never mind that the reason I don't is because of the choices I made...

I'm glad you finally figured out the obvious!