Not going to repeat my last post, but it applies here too. They're revamping dungeons to offer a better training environment. Take the opportunity to use them and give feedback, them training can be like it is in other games too. You probably won't get what you don't ask for though
How did they revamp dungeons to improve training? They took despise, probably the biggest dungeon used for those that trained warrior skills and revamped it. I used to start at the top level and progress down through the ettins/mud ele's to the trolls, then on to ogres and finally ogre lords. Now, that is all gone. Now Despise is a dungeon where I need to grab a pet and train it to do the boss. At the same time, they got rid of the use of golems (an assumption, but my guess is an accurate one). So lets make it more difficult on melee warriors. Meanwhile, I just passed two houses, one where the character has been in the same spot for two days (working crafting???) and the other is actively been working magery for three days. If you're going to screw the dexxers, lets make in an equal dry **** for ALL templates. Otherwise, leave it alone. Perhaps bringing back 8X8 would be best? At least you would see occupied boats on the ocean again. Same difference.Not going to repeat my last post, but it applies here too. They're revamping dungeons to offer a better training environment. Take the opportunity to use them and give feedback, them training can be like it is in other games too. You probably won't get what you don't ask for though
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Note that I said revamping, because clearly they plan to update more dungeons in the future. Work hasn't finished so there is plenty of time for feedback and changes to come.
If so I want a vanquishing sewing kit and a ranged pin-cushion attack heh. But crafters do not solo top end spawns, they create items and run shops. It makes no sense to make it tougher on a profession that can't do any of the tough stuff. By all means add quests and the like to training so folk had to go out more, I'd welcome some more RP than just filling vendors with items I make. 
For the most part, except Siege, they're the same people!Mages in their houses may well be the next thing to change, I'm sure the warriors will make sure to point that out at every opportunity until then
Of course there are alternatives. However, saying that every golem trainer is unattended is ridiculous, as is saying every crafter working their trade or mage working a mage skill is parked right there staring at there screen. Please try to be relevent with the comments.
My guess is that it's because there were complaints about golem training. In a classic pattern, there were complaints, until they responded, then there were complaints about the response, and folks will pretend the initial complaints never existed.
On a related note for us players it is too often very hard for us to find the line between bugs, intended features, unintended features that are not strictly speaking disallowed.
I suspect they thought players would get bored standing around and eventually train elsewhere. When that didn't happen, they perhaps hoped the revamped dungeons would do the trick. When their carrot and smaller stick of prior golem nerf didn't work they nerfed it harder. I think the devs could have reacted sooner once players were using golems to train to such an extent, but held off knowing it wouldn't be popular.
Why would you add more land masses when there isn't enough population on most shards to fill even 1 of the existing ones? That only spreads the community out further and leaves you with a ton of old lands which nobody uses while they play the new spots. At one time the growth was justifiable because there were enough players looking for housing spots etc. Now what we need is to be brought together, not spread out, and the old dungeons are desperately in need of a revamp after all these years. Makes perfect sense to me.
YES!!!!! give us players a challenge!!! no more catering to the candyland players looking for the easy way out of training combat skills.
I actually love that proposition. However that would likely make those training magery a little more unhappy than the warriors might be I suspect (assuming that would apply to magery).
BTW, warriors can be safe solo antisocial trainers too, even without a golem. Just thought I'd mention it, because that playstyle isn't monopolized by crafters/mages. Really
Then you clearly haven't been doing it right.
You're approaching afk training if you're not playing the account actively while your character trains on a golem. So I doubt EA are going to miss that aspect of golem training.
Again, this is holier than thou. I don't do it that way so you shouldn't either. I'm not afk, I'm at the keyboard. I can respond if a GM shows up. That's the criteria. It's the same as spellcasters casting over and over. Can they reply to a GM who shows up to check on them. By the way, all the suggestions you offered don't work for me. Each character typically has their own equipment and items plus the storage to hold said items. Once created, I need only reactivate the account to use them in the future.
I said you were approaching AFK training, not doing it. Approaching, as in getting into that territory. Yes, you can respond to a GM but you are not playing that character while you train.
I don't think I have seen anyone who is in favor of golems being left alone say it is the fastest way to train, just the most convenient. If I can stick a golem in the house and train on it while my crafter works on suits and heals the golem that is a better use of my game time for me than out whirl winding mobs. Furthermore if I choose to train that way, how does that effect anyone else's gameplay. It doesn't !
So you're conclusion is that a person is "close to being afk" and as such is breaking some rule because they "are not playing that character"? Give me a break. Clearly they are logged into the game hence they are actually playing the game since they are sending packets to and recieving packets from the server. They had to repair the golem so they must be in the game to do so. This is just another case of I don't like it for some reason and it must be wrong. Take your ball and leave the playground.
Not only relating to golem training, but this train of thought is one of the biggest, if not the biggest issue, in UO.
IMO there is a HUGE difference in advocating for a process that is not in violation of the TOS that does not effect anyone else's gameplay and promoting scripting.
Again 'that does not effect anyone else's gameplay' is the exact same excuse scripters use to justify their actions. That is a matter of point of view and perception.
Yes, this would have made a world of difference. A change to the resists I can deal with and I have no problems with an anti-afk measure.
Question for you Storm: were you there back in the day when there were no skill locks and you'd lose your GM status in a skill because you accidentally used a skill you never meant to train up?
Who's to say I'm not having a good time beating that golem while I am chatting to my friends in my guild? Just because you do not see the golem as fun or playing the game does not make it so.
I had to edit my posting to re-qoute this speal. I would ask that you explain what it was your were trying to say for I have read and re-read it a few times. What coffee is it that I, and others, need to drink? And why must I do so? Are you telling me that the only correct way to play the game is to take the longest most annoying route to reach the end goal? Is this fact or just your thoughts? Are you telling me that after a decade plus of playing this game and making countless chars using the mechanics given to all of us I have been doing it wrong all this time? Did I break the TOS? I have "puttered" and managed to succeed in the game despite the best efforts of some. Who on earth are you to tell me that I have to "putter" just because you feel it's the best way to play. People like this disgust me, don't worry about my feelings. I've got them well covered.
I made it crystal clear in my post, it is not against any rules to be "almost afk" and I certainly did not conclude as much. Reply to what I wrote rather than what you think my thoughts are. Because your mind reading skills need some work...
That's an interesting definition of "playing" a game. Sending/receiving packets simply means that certain actions are happening, not that you are active in performing them. You do not have to be actively playing that character to repair a golem either. A macro with time between repeats would do quite nicely. Scripters can manage that easy and even answer the GMs. But you're not "actively" playing that character if your attention is on something else e.g., playing a second account alongside it. You'd have a hard time doing anything dangerous on the second account if the first one constantly needed your attention. Sooner or later stuff would die lol.
