The issue is not that you can't come "close" enough to faction gear that a better player can kill a faction player with it, it's that it costs about 30x more to suit up in "comparible" non-faction gear (number not pulled out of thin air, it's based on current artifact/equipment prices and current silver->gold conversion rate). So yes, a guild with better pvpers, better organized, spending 30x as much on gear can indeed stand a chance against a similarly sized faction group.
Yes so very true. However how often does a town really get fought over? Most of the time there is someone there waiting to steal the sigil and run for it and done... town is captured. And a simple counter attack from it's former faction will return the sigil to it's owner.
This is the most sound statement on this thread. People seem to think that somehow gear makes a bad pvper into a good one. Adding 3 MR to a suit with a faction orni does not = Godmode. All faction does is allow everyone the opportunity to compete on a level ground gear-wise. Having some addition to the faction gear encourages faction participation which is the entire goal in the first place. Want cheap gear with small buffs? Fine but you're at risk. Don't want that risk? Fine. Pay for the normal stuff with little risk involved and pvp on your own terms.
I said I'd stop discussing in this thread and I like part of what you're saying ma'am. But for a lot of people running faction arties, it's not simply just an orny, or just a cc.. it's combination of many artifacts used in a lot of cases. I should know, I've imbued TONS of suits for pvp'ers on Atlantic in the past, now it's not so much in demand any more. I've had to imbue around those faction arties, and usually get request for "can you imbue around these 3 pieces?" And they come stand by me, I add it up, and say sure, and make them a damn good suit, and get paid for it usually pretty well. So when you say it like that, it makes it seem like yeah you got a good point, which you do, but in more cases than a few, it's not simply just 1 faction arty with additional bonuses that is the problem.
I agree completely here. I'v made a ton of armor for people with the same quotes. It's just easier to make a good MAXED out armor set with Faction gear then it is without. People will always do what is easiest to get to the top for those PVM'ers that use faction gear soul purpose for PVM. This is why Trammel faction war should be allowed.
The artys are the wrong type, I like the ideal but it has more to with game play then a fix for the other things.
I think so too, why are they mirrors of PVM??? Shouldn't they offer a stiff negative in regards to non-pvp activity, like mob fighting?
How about we do the same when Factions raid a Spawn. Non-Faction PvMers do 5X damage to PKing Factioners trying to steal the Spawn. PvMers are not the only ones abusing Faction Arties. PvPers are abusing Faction Arties using them outside of Factions. All parts of Fel was not put into Factions. Keep Factions to Faction Cities and Faction Strongholds the way it was designed.
You forgot one.
Well... the reason that PKs with Faction gear stealing spawns is because the Spawns are worth more then the towns. Therefore when you start a spawn your walking on Faction land, and which ever guild/faction is monitoring it will attack and take it back or wait until you get close to the champ and raid. SO! unless they make the towns Worth taking, i don't see this happening.
Do you expect faction members to carry 2 sets of armor? so when you see a Blue they need to change armor ASAP and then run into a Faction member and then changing back into Faction gear? What would you do when Faction is fighting Faction and then a Blue/Red guild comes in to the mix?
Hmmmm that is a little too much and the design of fel champ spawn IS suppose to be raided. You might as well just say Faction chars can't do spawns if its 5x damage.
I did forget, thanks, but after reconsidering, a Soldier of Fortune in game seems normal, we all are, in a way.
Faction Land LOL. Spawns were never put into Factions. Maybe you should learn what Factions were all about. Just another reason to abuse Faction Arties.
LOL Factions Cities are dead so it is PvPers and Fellies that have been abusing this. PvMers and Trammies are just making the playing field even. Tell all your PvPers and Fellies to stop abusing it and keep Faction Arties in Faction Areas and no not all of Fel was put into Factions.
PvMers can use faction arties prior to the whole faction points adjustment change? Who says PvMer can not join faction? Everyone has the same access to faction arties.
Factions was pretty much alive prior to the point screw ups. Are you saying that Trammies\PvMer does not have the same access to faction arties prior to the faction changes that made a lot of people quit? If you do not wish to work for the points, then you should not get the item? It comes down to a matter of choice, spend time pvping for points or spend time doing PvM stuff.
Well it appears that i would need to clear it up for you since your too dense to understand what i'm saying.
No they were not. Faction Cities were/are dead. When is the last time Factions fought over Faction Cities or raided another Faction Stronghold. People found a way to exploit the Faction point system so UO was forced to wipe all the points and try to come up with another system. The main problem is that once again UO put Faction Arties into Factions trying to lure people into Fel and did not put in any checks and balances. Faction Arties are fine as long as they are used in Faction related areas while fighting other Faction players. Unless UO puts in checks and balances Faction Arties will be abused even more. Everyone will get Faction Arties. Limit Faction Arties to Fel Faction areas only. They do not belong in and Tram rule set and they do not belong in any other area in Fel outside of Faction areas. I am sure if UO did this then Factions would go the same direction as the dodo.
Yes Faction cities are dead. Please explain how PVPers and fel players are abusing faction arties to pvp? Isn't Faction about pvp? And how are Trammies making the playing field even when they get the arties and run back to Trammel to PVM? And what is your definition of Faction Areas? Last that i know All of Fel is fair game.
LOL Here are your Faction Lands as defined by UO. Factions consist of Faction Strongholds and 8 Felucca cities (Britain, Magincia, Minoc, Moonglow, Skara Brae, Trinsic, Vesper and Yew). Would you please show me were DUNGEONS were put into Factions.
It should be up to the players to stop the farming of silver as long as they let me take silver from them they are letting me beat them in the game. They can stop me. But it should not be you can go afk and earn it.
Gear durability should drop faster, given the ease of availability and low cost, not to mention the increased power budget over the PVM counter part, perhaps it should get New tags, why 25 or 50 durability & ephemeral should occur, non-insurable.
I said LAND Territories (LOST LANDS, BRITANNIA) not cities. And FELUCCA is your answer. It's Part of Faction therefore all DUNGEONS, Cities, Territories, Spawns is part of Faction. Anyone can claim a Land if they choose to hold it and prevent others from using it. Cities arn't worth anything why would we fight there when Champs have better payouts?
