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Scroll Binders - A Spawners nightmare?

Kaleb

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I think using 105's only would be the wrong way to go about it IMHO, i mean it would only take 28 scrolls all together if starting with 105s, 19 if starting with 110's, 10 if starting with 115's. only a fool would use just 105's to try to get a 120. I know I wont be that's for sure.

10-105's = 1-110 + 9-110's = 1-115 + 9-115's = 1- 120
 

Amber Moon

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10-105's = 1-110 + 9-110's = 1-115 + 9-115's = 1- 120
Numbers updated from beta are much lower then this.

4 105 = 110
6 110 = 115
8 115 = 120

192 105's total or whatever combination you choose.
 

Harlequin

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Scroll binders will allow players to convert 105s to 110s, 110s to 115s and 115s to 120s.

In theory it sounds like a great way to make 110s and 105s useful.

In practice it is a means of making 120 scrolls drastically drop in price. This change, in conjunction with the fact that replicas have upped the number of spawners actively doing champs on shards and the new champ spawn rule changes will make 120 pscrolls worth almost as little as 110s and 115s are now.

hundreds of lesser scrolls are tossed each day as players vie to get 120s. These lesser scrolls diluting the number of 120s given out actually keep 120 scrolls worth more than a few hundred k. Only the most desirable 120s are worth more than a couple mill these days and after scroll binders come to play only the most desired of 120s will be worth more than 2-3mill.

PLEASE do not release this. You will kill the entire reason to fight over champ spawns in fel. We'll be stuck with spawns that nobody wants to do after 6 months because everyone has bags and bags full of 120s for all their chars.
Yes, I suspect that there will definitely be a drop in prices of 120s.

Which I think is a good thing. Besides, the prices of PS have been steadily dropping as more people finally get the scrolls they want. Less demand = prices needs to be reduced to sell. But it may not be as drastic as people think. More on that later.

First, I think it'll gravitate towards a situation where only 120s will be sold. Alot of vendors will keep the 110s and 115s to combine into a 120. Meaning if you want a scroll, it's likely a 120 or bust scenario.

Increased supply + reduced demand = reduced sales if the 120s remain at the same prices.

However, if the prices are reduced sufficiently, people may start buying that PS for their non-main chars, eg magery scrolls for their PvM'r, tamers, crafter scribe. And esp for their skill holding chars (it's a pain if your skill holder can't hold that 120 skill). I'm dying to get several.

The increased demand will partially offset the increased supply. So instead of selling a 120 magery PS for 20 mil, you now need to sell 4 to get 20 mil. Yes, you need to sell more, but you must also consider that will be easier for you to get more as well since you can now combine the lesser PS you are getting.

Happens to every industry. To maintain competiveness and profits, you just sell more, at lower prices.

Now, I'm using magery for the above, so the example is a little biased since that's one of the most coveted PS. If we look at less desirable scrolls like 120 chiv/focus/stealth, those will go down further. Well, they are already the cheapest ones now, not like that's gonna hurt much...Even now we already go "damn...I got a 120, but it's chiv, bloody RNG".

I am more concerned with the 120 or bust situation. Most 110s are very affordable and good value for money. Gives a very huge boost for around 1% of the costs of a 120. (edit: actually more like 0.1%)
 

Surgeries

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*chuckles*

And seriously, I am not trolling this thread, but I would like to make the following statements.

I like Sakkarah, and what she is doing and has done for our game. But she is a pvp'er ;)

And using the phrase " risk vs reward" to me has absolutely no meaning, I tend to turn a deaf ear. Because no matter how you label it, or what you call it, sending 4 trammies (such as me) into Fel to do a champ and try for some PSs, against say...2 skilled pvp'ers, such as yourself, isnt risk vs reward...It's FEEDING TIME and BANK TIME. LOL

And besides, most of us will now be buying up those scrolls you used to toss down in the star room, which wil even increase your profits enough to offset whatever eventual decline in 120 prices you may see...assuming your 105 and 110 scrolls are priced at a sensible price.

So in the end, it should be a win win for all of us...
What a great post.

Well said.

It is about time, too. Who needs Champ Spawns in Tram? This further let's everyone do what they want, and makes the sandbox a wee bit bigger. I doubt 120's will rain down, but I am pretty sure they will be a lot cheaper. Too bad all my toons are all scrolled out.

Loved the line about feeding time and bank time.

LOL.

Still laughing. That is what they would say seeing me...hahahahaha!!

Nonetheless, virtually every scroll dropped at a Champ Spawn now will have value at some level, just like you said.

I sure am glad I kept all 3,000 bark fragments and 1000 Luminescent Fungi I got while GMing lumber jacking.

I think that literally everybody wins on this deal, from Spawners, to Jackers, to Smiths. Very nice job, Devs!

I will chime in and say that even though I had a few initial doubts about the expansion...I am amazed at how wonderful it is so far. Truly the best I think I have seen, and we are still in Beta, AND you listen.

Noice!!!

:danceb:
 

phantus

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First, I think it'll gravitate towards a situation where only 120s will be sold. Alot of vendors will keep the 110s and 115s to combine into a 120. Meaning if you want a scroll, it's likely a 120 or bust scenario.
I think we will see this happen to an extent in the beginning. What I also foresee happening is people just using current 1/20 pricing to apply the fraction to the 10. Let's face it, some of us are terribly lazy and other people can just as easy put a scroll in a binder. We can still make the the 1/8th price from the 15 scroll we would normally sell the 20 for and not care.

This scenario basically would mean that all scrolls would go UP in price rather than 20's go down initially. As more people get scrolled out they would settle to lower prices as a whole. Magery scrolls will still be outrageous because of the drop rate.
 

Kaleb

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Numbers updated from beta are much lower then this.

4 105 = 110
6 110 = 115
8 115 = 120

192 105's total or whatever combination you choose.
collecting 192 105's wouldn't be the wise way to go about it.

4 105's to make a 110 then you would only need 5 110's to make a 115 then only 7 115's to make a 120 So that is only 16 scrolls big deal, Start with 110s, only need to get 13 scrolls, start with 115s, only need 8. Sure you could go the long way about it by using just 192 105's but would be faster in my method. take a lot less time collecting and farming.
 
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Connor_Graham

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Well, I was simply quoting someone else about the 1,000 105s.

Nonethtless, whether 1,000 or 192 the issue was that as Scroll Bindings are making a 120 out of 105s simply is not feasible.

Can one imagine how much time it would take to put together 192 Magery 105 powerscrolls ?

This was the bottom line argument which stands in all cases, whether the figure may be 1,000 or 192.
You already said this exact same thing 9 posts up from yours. You can repeat it as many times as you like, it still won't make it right.:dunce:
 

popps

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You already said this exact same thing 9 posts up from yours. You can repeat it as many times as you like, it still won't make it right.:dunce:

Posting problems sorry, rather than refreshing the thread it reposted the latest post, go figure.......
 
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Soulstomp

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gosh why are people even concerned at all,, saying they pvpers !? or lol Spawners ? you mean pvm champing , champing was and is always pvm.
it doesnt matter one bit for fel, cos fel is for pvp only as most like to think , we already have the replica drops on tram champs, so why not make the lesser scrolls give use ,
i think for gameplay its ok makes it easier to finaly get what you want ,, you still have to do fel champs to get any scroll at all, if your a pvper ,spawner or just pvm you still have to do lvl's and champboss to get anything at all
 

Demonous

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May I ask a question since I am not sure I understand........

Is it then all about money and who cares about the game itself ?

Is Ultima Online still a game or not ?
i dont sell or buy gold, i just play to make and have a lot of gold, i enjoy making gold in game
 

Demonous

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You won't necessarily ahve to lose business...that's the point I have been trying to make.
Start selling the lower scrolls as well, and do it at a reasonable price, and you will make up the difference.

Geez people, let go of the greed for a change, and play the game.
or i will just give 10s and 15s in myself and only sell 20s
 

Tina Small

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To popps and everyone else who is worried about this change, why not give it a chance? Have some faith that the developers will be monitoring the situation and will make adjustments if they see big problems resulting from its implementation. They aren't stupid enough to implement something that will anger half the community right into quitting; but at the same time, they need to do something for the other half of the community to keep their interest. Don't forget how they listened when the arch cure change was in the works, or how they returned bags of sending to something you actually use again.

Chill out if this has got your blood pressure up and go do some exploring in Ter Mur, the Underworld, the Abyss and find something there that you think you can actually look forward to and focus on something positive for a bit.
 

popps

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To popps and everyone else who is worried about this change, why not give it a chance? Have some faith that the developers will be monitoring the situation and will make adjustments if they see big problems resulting from its implementation. They aren't stupid enough to implement something that will anger half the community right into quitting; but at the same time, they need to do something for the other half of the community to keep their interest. Don't forget how they listened when the arch cure change was in the works, or how they returned bags of sending to something you actually use again.

Chill out if this has got your blood pressure up and go do some exploring in Ter Mur, the Underworld, the Abyss and find something there that you think you can actually look forward to and focus on something positive for a bit.

I am an open minded person and am all for the game as a whole before everything else.

So, I have no problem with that.

My only concern, is that I have not been able to read anything about what the long term plans are for the game.

I mean, we have an expansion, we have some changes but is there any direction that the Dev Team wants the game to take ?

I quite clearly explained my views about the game, I would like it to be more skill based rather than item, to better PvP I would like the GAP between the "Haves" and the "Have Nots" be reduced with changes from the Dev Team and I would also like to see more sharp divisions about playable templates.

I do not like these mix of templates like the Sampire, the Mage of everything, the Tamer who is also a Bard and all that.
A player should pick a role and play that, not play something that is a salad of a bit of everything.

But I have no idea where Ultima Online is heading to, whether there is hope that changes will bring UO more in line with what it once was or whether it is going to be what comes comes with updates and additions which only increase the dependancy on items, the GAP among players and so forth.

It would not hurt, to be able to read a nice editorial about what direction Ultima Online is heading to and, perhaps, the occasion of the release of Stygian Abyss could offer a good chance for it.
 

Obsidian

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I want to add my 2 cents to the discussion. I think scroll binders are an excellent addition to UO. I consider myself to be a casual player (usually 2 hrs per day maybe 6 times a week). But I also am a player that loves to build characters and even enjoy the communities of multiple shards. The hardest part for me has been obtaining scrolls for my many characters. On some of the less populated shards, finding a 110 magery (much less a 115) can be next to impossible at times. The few 115s and 120s that are available are above the mean price across UO. I think scroll binders will increase the number of 120 scrolls available, and eventually lower their prices (it will take time). This will allow more players to obtain these items and reach high levels in the game. Although UO is a multi-player, I think it is fair to say many of us play to see our characters advance and get better. This is a great way to allow perseverance to help more players reach legendary status.

-OBSIDIAN-

P.S. Finally something neat for my scribe/lumberjack... just need to start cooking too!
 

kaio

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I think its a wonderfull idea :)
UO is finally going into the right direction.
And all the bull with risk vs reward makes me sick...

Alot here forgets that even if you wanna play this game and do pvp, a couple of years ago that was next to impossible..

oh well just my 2 cents.
 
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