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Republican party
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BAN ARAN. These attacks are against the RoC of this forum...la
What amazes me is that people can not see that the Democrats are all about keeping the poor in their ghettos and trailer parks. By punishing success (IE Earning a high income) you make it even harder for someone to become rich. The Clintons, Obamas and Kennedys of the world do not want you in their country clubs and social circles. They rather you live in filth and squalor. All they do is pay the morons that vote for them lip service.
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Lych
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The most cursory survey of politics will answer this question for you.
The less money you have, the more likely you are to be conservative.
The more money you have, the more likely you are to be liberal.
The working poor and working class both work hard for their money and are loathe to give it away to a government that has historically been pathologically corrupt and inefficient. Recall the nationalization of the railroads at the turn of the last century.
Many of the moderately wealthy see no problem giving their money away. These bourgeoise think it is the responsibility of the "haves" to relinquish all responsibility for self sustainment for the "have-nots." To each their own.
You'll notice a trend in the upper-class: Those who worked for their money or whose parents worked for their money are less likely to **** it away. Those who recieved obscene amounts of money due to their willingness to take off their clothes in public can't get rid of their money fast enough.
That said, the Republican party is fairly Federalist these days. They're more appealing for social issues these days. The party of civil rights and small government has certainly strayed from their core principals.
But so what? You're not going to vote independent, are you??!! That's insane!
I love this argument. As if people try not to be successful because they're running away from the evil tax boogeyman.
I work in an public accounting office, where most of the clients are long-time clients. Several generations are typical as parents start having us do their kids' returns in college, and those kids keep coming as adults when they marry and have kids.
A lot of people have lost or closed down businesses over the last five to ten years (but most of them in the last 2 or 3 of course) or lost major career jobs and had to hoof it back onto the job market at a lower level or lower income. A lot of them have spent a good deal of time jobless while trying to get re-hired.
Naturally, a lot of these people due to lower incomes, higher expenses, job loss, no more business, etc., are paying much less in tax this year, or getting bigger refunds. Yet I've heard more than one of them jokingly say, on the way out, they were happier when they had to pay more tax.
The prospect that someone would "choose" to scratch by at $37,000 a year on some kind of stubborn, irrational refusal to pay more taxed with a $108,000 job is ridiculous. Quite divorced from reality in every possible manner.
People who perceive that it's "pointless" to make more because you'll just be "punished" or lose any additional income to taxes either a) are working class people who've never made more money and have an exaggerated myth in mind about the tax structure and how income itself is structured in higher end jobs (a good deal of it comes in tax-deferred alternatives to straight pay) or b) are highly compensated people who live much better lifestyles than someone making a 30k-58k "typical job", yet feel unduly "punished" by paying more raw tax dollars than someone earning less. (In other words, no sense of proportion.)
Your apparent penchant, Jag, to view things in extremely simplified positive/negative-reinforcement terms, does help explain why you'd be a Republican. However these simplistic views like "well people stay poor because the Dems punish you with taxes if you make anything" rarely meaningfully inform any discussion about reality.
Anyone remember that idiot "Joe the Plumber" guy running around on the McCain campaign b****chin and moanin about taxes? When it turned out his "plumbing business" actually only made about 40k a year? He almost certainly paid nothing in taxes unless he had someone on payroll.... and even then, he was paying payroll taxes. Not income taxes. So it was like what the hell was he going off about. Like many working class red state Republicans, he has an "ideology" about how much he makes and how bad taxes are and how the American economy is because of the damn liberals, and whether or not the actual specifics of the situation happen to fit is irrelevant. i.e. someone like himself probably not paying much if any income tax at his bracket level being a self-appointed crusader about how he believes a crushing tax burden is coming his way.
Careful, troll. I have a torch.
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Hanna
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Um, I think you got it wrong, it's not the graduated taxes that are the problem, it's the democrat desire to have the government control everything which then they in turn raise taxes to pay for it. You can't tax the hell out of the people and expect them to be more productive because of it. If you raise the cost of doing business there will be less sales and earned and less money to pay taxes with.
Anyone that says the don't want to make more money because of taxes, probably isn't talking about making "A LOT" more money but just enough so that if they make more they will actually bring home less.
Democrats will and have raised taxes on the poor. For some reason people think fdr was some kind of economic genius so they want to copy him, but in reality he caused a lot of the problems that we stuck with today. He was a economic socialist.
The latest great democratic tax on the poor is the new tobacco tax, which primarily targets the poorest people that roll their own cigarettes. Obama has instituted about a 2400% tax increase on roll your own. This will put those ryo companies out of business, will increase crime, and will have diminishing returns very fast. Democrats do absolutely nothing to help poor people quit smoking, in fact the stopped the one program that did try to help them. Democrats love voting away their rights, so that they can have control over other peoples rights. Big brother is here and you put him in office. But then thats what the liberals want someone to hold their hand and change their diapers.
It's sad that so many kids go to college immediately after high school and get no real life experiences before being barraged with brain washing by the super liberal university system in this country. It' seems the sooner someone goes to college after high school, the less common sense they have.
Oh yeah Joe the plumber, he was making 40k a year because he didnt own a business, he was planning to start one.
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Hanna
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It's not a theory, it's statisticsI went to college straight out of high school, so there goes your theory
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SwordBlaze
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Both parties suck. The End.
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SwordBlaze
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Nope.
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SwordBlaze
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Ew.
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Flora Green
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Hanna nails it yet again.
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Atlantian
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Welcome to the new United States of Canada
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SwordBlaze
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LoL Hanna acts as if the parties are different. Like one is good and the other is bad. The last time I feel that was true was when the Republicans were for civil rights and the democrats were for white supremecy. That was a long time ago and didn't last long.
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Hanna
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What amazes me is that democrats think democrat politicans are for civil rights, rather than the massive government control over all aspects of your life that they truly are for. And for some truly unknown reason democrats think pro-abortion means pro-civil rights, when all it really means is I want to get elected so I will tell them anything they want to hear. Then I will throw them that bone and take the other real civil-rights away.
It's a shame that so many have died to preserve the rights you so freely vote away.
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SwordBlaze
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I just want my second amendment rights upheld. Whether I actually follow the laws concerning them now remains to be seen.....................
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JackRabbit Slim
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The Republican party of Abe Lincoln's day is hardly what it is today.
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Jonny
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Because some people are too proud to accept money stolen from people who worked for it.
Myself, I hate republicans as much as I hate democrats.
Myself, I hate republicans as much as I hate democrats.