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NewThunder
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I always thought the term "replica" indicated an item was common; The are supposed to be cheap knock-offs of the true rare items, they have a limited life. I think the drop rate should be increased.
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Abyss
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I am one to believe that this should be changed to a points system. Like doom but on a longer basis. There should be no chance that anyone goes 40-50 Spawns with nothing. 20-30 I can see as a reasonable amount and will take a good amount of time to complete those. Lets remember these are semi-consumable. They will break and will need to be replaced. 20 spawns is a reasonable amount for these items since there are so many and some are rarer than others.
TOTAL CHAMP SPAWNS= 72
Soloed =55 with 2 people
total replicas= 0
total deco items= 1
total shared items= 0
Sot= 15
@@@Some hard facts for the DEVS@@@
(Those of you that do it with 10 people it will take 700 spawns and you might get a slime statue like me)
Soloed =55 with 2 people
total replicas= 0
total deco items= 1
total shared items= 0
Sot= 15
@@@Some hard facts for the DEVS@@@
(Those of you that do it with 10 people it will take 700 spawns and you might get a slime statue like me)
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Goodoljoe
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Drop rates are prety bad and ghost cams are out of hand,you miracously see people showing up on last minute and taking a big chance of geting a reward other people has totally wasted up their time working up.
Liar. My guild has done maybe 35-50 and we have around 10 in total. Which is the right percentage... 72 and you have only got 1 Deco? I highly doubt you have recorded every single spawn you have done. Not to mention I alone have 18 SoT's from 35-50 spawns.
*edit* Your probably getting Djinni's ring and not even noticing it in your backpack. After counting, we have 14. We usually do spawns 2-4man.
I've done about 20 spawns since the patch came out and I haven't gotten a single thing. My wife has gotten 4 SoT scrolls.
For those that are comparing these events to WoW/other mmorpg events need to understand something.
In those other games, you have a class system. Inside that class system, items are restricted by class (sometimes race) as to who can use them. You cannot do that in UO (well, you could....hmmm, items you can only use if you have a certain level in specific skills....), but currently that's not the way it is.
Also, in other games, there is a single corpse for everyone. When a 'special' item comes up, it's usually NBG, then roll and finally either call it out to the zone/have someone run their alt there for the item.
In UO, it pops in a random players pack. So, if the special item drops 13 times in 40 spawns, it's possible for the same person to get the drop all 13 times. I consider that one of UO's more prevelant short comings.
After doing well over 12,000 peerless runs between us, my wife and I gotten a total of 3 crimson's between us.
After playing UO for as long as I have, and played EQ for 5+ years in a high-end raiding guild, I feel that the drop rates are about right, but I think that the distribution method is fubared.
For those that are comparing these events to WoW/other mmorpg events need to understand something.
In those other games, you have a class system. Inside that class system, items are restricted by class (sometimes race) as to who can use them. You cannot do that in UO (well, you could....hmmm, items you can only use if you have a certain level in specific skills....), but currently that's not the way it is.
Also, in other games, there is a single corpse for everyone. When a 'special' item comes up, it's usually NBG, then roll and finally either call it out to the zone/have someone run their alt there for the item.
In UO, it pops in a random players pack. So, if the special item drops 13 times in 40 spawns, it's possible for the same person to get the drop all 13 times. I consider that one of UO's more prevelant short comings.
After doing well over 12,000 peerless runs between us, my wife and I gotten a total of 3 crimson's between us.
After playing UO for as long as I have, and played EQ for 5+ years in a high-end raiding guild, I feel that the drop rates are about right, but I think that the distribution method is fubared.
This reminds me of the 10th anniversary dungeon drops. Initially, people complained that they were too hard to get, and now we can't give them away. 
It will work out in the end as-is.
As far as "having" to do 50 spawns in a row, it's hardly a "need." Take it slow, breathe. Just a game. Do one spawn a week and it will add up.
It will work out in the end as-is.
As far as "having" to do 50 spawns in a row, it's hardly a "need." Take it slow, breathe. Just a game. Do one spawn a week and it will add up.
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Heartseeker
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I'm fine with the way they are.
Yes they're rare , but not impossible.
At least this way people will take some time to enjoy themselves again and will be very happy when they get a nice replica.
I got one replica and 3 scrolls so far.
Yes they're rare , but not impossible.
At least this way people will take some time to enjoy themselves again and will be very happy when they get a nice replica.
I got one replica and 3 scrolls so far.
I've done about 20 spawns (Ilsh/Fel/Merkatus), and haven't seen a thing.
Other people who have worked spawns with me have received replicas, and the rate seems just about right. They're not common enough to become common, yet they are common enough to know that there's a light at the end of the tunnel.
So I'm in favor of making no change at all to the replica rate.
Other people who have worked spawns with me have received replicas, and the rate seems just about right. They're not common enough to become common, yet they are common enough to know that there's a light at the end of the tunnel.
So I'm in favor of making no change at all to the replica rate.
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Katlene
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Took me Two and a Half days of 3-4 hours a day spawn killing to get an oak shroud. I died rezed and pow it was in my pack. First day out I did two Ilsh Spawns and got 2 SoT.
Seems the drop is low, however in the bigger picture it is just right.
Thats Way less than 65 spawns the OP is out right lying or so unlucky he should quit UO!!!.
Seems the drop is low, however in the bigger picture it is just right.
Thats Way less than 65 spawns the OP is out right lying or so unlucky he should quit UO!!!.
Don't know how many spawns I've done, but have spent the last few days back and forth to the champs, with my guild and with another we go out with. Between us, we've had some scrolls, a statue and a tile. I think that the scroll rate should be increased some. Folks don't like to do a lot and get nothing for their effort. I also think that unless you're there from about 10mins in after the spawn pops, you shouldn't be able to just turn up and hit the champ. It sucks that a few of us do all the work, then someone turns up, hits the champ a couple of times and drops a replica. Especially on a spawn like the Oaks.
I don't mind the drop rate. Haven't got anything, but when there's a friendly group at the spawns, it's been a good laugh and actually given me some enthusiasm for UO again.
BTW, is there any message that comes up if you do get anything? I'm guessing the scrolls pop in your pack and they're pretty visible, but replicas etc I'm guessing there's a message too? Not that my packs are untidy of course....
Cailleach, I think some folk aren't meaning to show up at the last minute... I've arrived just after a boss dropped just because I was running from one spawn to another looking for other players working it The joys of not being in a PvM guild lol. I did a few spawns from scratch yesterday, but I swear I arrived at the end of about 5 others *oops*. Though just after the boss died, so utterly pants! If you're not in the loop as to where folks are going to next, it's hard to know if you should start soloing a spawn and hope for a group to appear or keep moving round spawns. I don't want to work that dragon one solo, but I'm game if I think it's active
At one point, I started off with a few others at Oaks then numbers diminished and I'm sure I was soloing the last few levels most of the time, wondering how I'd actually kill the bosses with a dread and mare combo hehe. So I was glad when a few showed up at the last minute, but I know what you mean. You're still thinking "hey I worked this spawn" especially when an idiot shows up with a GD and seems keen for you to tank the boss with your mares to cover his GD's tail. Arf!
Think I'll try the necro/weaver lass today, so if you see any corpses of Bluebell, she's just resting while I get the hang of things *cough* Epic fail here I come...
Wenchy
BTW, is there any message that comes up if you do get anything? I'm guessing the scrolls pop in your pack and they're pretty visible, but replicas etc I'm guessing there's a message too? Not that my packs are untidy of course....
Cailleach, I think some folk aren't meaning to show up at the last minute... I've arrived just after a boss dropped just because I was running from one spawn to another looking for other players working it
The joys of not being in a PvM guild lol. I did a few spawns from scratch yesterday, but I swear I arrived at the end of about 5 others *oops*. Though just after the boss died, so utterly pants! If you're not in the loop as to where folks are going to next, it's hard to know if you should start soloing a spawn and hope for a group to appear or keep moving round spawns. I don't want to work that dragon one solo, but I'm game if I think it's active At one point, I started off with a few others at Oaks then numbers diminished and I'm sure I was soloing the last few levels most of the time, wondering how I'd actually kill the bosses with a dread and mare combo hehe. So I was glad when a few showed up at the last minute, but I know what you mean. You're still thinking "hey I worked this spawn" especially when an idiot shows up with a GD and seems keen for you to tank the boss with your mares to cover his GD's tail. Arf!
Think I'll try the necro/weaver lass today, so if you see any corpses of Bluebell, she's just resting while I get the hang of things *cough* Epic fail here I come...
Wenchy
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RichDC
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The Drop Rate is Fine!!!
Stop whining and kill more spawn(the boss gives you 0 replica credit)
Solo spawns are more difficult to get a drop you need to kill of as much spawn as you can!that is my opinon anyway, plus i believe the drop rate is lower in trammel rulesets(thank god!!)
one final point im not a power gamer, not in a spawn guild as such(although we are VERY good at doing them and we do go to fel alot, get raided more!), have recieved 0 replicas from drops(1by stealing) not many SOT's and still think the state of play is perfect.
Stop whining and kill more spawn(the boss gives you 0 replica credit)
Solo spawns are more difficult to get a drop you need to kill of as much spawn as you can!that is my opinon anyway, plus i believe the drop rate is lower in trammel rulesets(thank god!!)
one final point im not a power gamer, not in a spawn guild as such(although we are VERY good at doing them and we do go to fel alot, get raided more!), have recieved 0 replicas from drops(1by stealing
) not many SOT's and still think the state of play is perfect.
100 or more deaths doing 2 days of spawning? WOW!
What type of character are you using?
Its not surprising you've not got anything to show for your work as I would imagine you spend most of those two days as a ghost.
From what you've said above, I would tend to disagree with this statement.
The Drop Rate is Fine!!!
Stop whining and kill more spawn(the boss gives you 0 replica credit)
Solo spawns are more difficult to get a drop you need to kill of as much spawn as you can!that is my opinon anyway, plus i believe the drop rate is lower in trammel rulesets(thank god!!)
one final point im not a power gamer, not in a spawn guild as such(although we are VERY good at doing them and we do go to fel alot, get raided more!), have recieved 0 replicas from drops(1by stealing
The four scrolls I've got have been from soloing spawn at Humility in Tram. As for spawn = replica
source - http://www.uoguide.com/Publish_57
It seems that to get the replicas etc, you belt the Boss. So, it's still annoying when the boss pops after working the spawn and someone else comes along and clouts him, dropping the item. And I still think that unless you're there for the spawn, you shouldn't be able to do that. I take Wenchkins point that it's not always intentional, but it does happen and it is annoying.
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It is my understanding that the replica goes to one of the people who worked the spawn and then killed the boss.
If there is no one left who worked the spawn (lets say you get raided and lose the spawn) then it goes to a random attacker.
I could've sworn I read that somewhere...
If there is no one left who worked the spawn (lets say you get raided and lose the spawn) then it goes to a random attacker.
I could've sworn I read that somewhere...
Repeat with me: Merchants do not care so much if an item is rare or not. It is the margins that matter, not the actual price! I make approximately same percentage selling soul seeker as I do selling 120 tactics scroll. True that if it is too cheap some of us will not bother with but that is not the same.
Yep that was meHeading out to work for an hour or so now, Wenchy, but if you want to add me to icq (451 321 008), be happy to shout you when I/we head out to champs. I think I gave you a res yesterday, after you healed my Maeve at humility
Mmm, just realised I mixed up my bard and necro's names there...Now there's a sign I have too many tamers... Wenchy
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Connor_Graham
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That's Fel. The majority of the people doing these spawns are doing them in Ilsh, which are much harder, and take a hell of a lot longer. Also, as phantus pointed out, you're a member of a powergamer spawn guild. There's a huge difference between that and the average player. The 7 Oaks I did took up the better part of a whole day, and that was with 4-5 other players there, none of which got anything either.
I'm with phantus on this one. If nothing else the T-Scrolls need their drop rate upped a bit so that people aren't walking away from an entire day worth of running spawns with nothing to show for it.
Since today T-scrolls have been bugged, I believe. Didn't get many at all.
If your doing Oaks at spirituality, it should only take around 20 minutes with 5 players. If you all have a fey slayer dexxers with x-healing it's really quite easy.
Repeat with me: Merchants care about the bottom line. If something keeps it value and they can obtain it they make a hefty profit. Don't come in here comparing selling a 20 scroll and soul seeker. That's rubbish. These items are going to fetch a good price and all the more if they are really difficult to get. Blow some smoke up someone's else's ass. I'm not asking for them to be handed to me. I want them to be on an accumulate system so that if I do spawns all day I'll get something. That's not a lot to ask.
They are not bugged. You are getting the other side of the RNG hand today is all. This is the very thing some of us are complaining about. The drop for the replicas are showing. I could even say the 30% is almost accurate. The problem is the RNG. Random systems are bad systems.
It's not just me, since server up we got three SoT's, not including protection ones. Something has definitely changed, I got about 18 in two days, thats not counting my guild. Anyway, Replica's are dropping perfectly normally.
Obviously, you are not versed in the ways of merchanting. Kapish.
I haven't had a SoT since Saturday, and I've killed the same amount of spawn since. All I did Sat was go and work up the spawn and dropped two scrolls within about 20mins of each other. Others are dropping, I'm not. Not sure why. But had 3 para drops, two of them within as many minutes of each other. Something doesn't seem quite right.
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The_Letter_E
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In response, I encourgage anyone who like things the way they are to goto the abovel ink and enter a thing about how it's great theway it is.
Or, if they insist on changing it, make +20 Magery, Reisist, Med, and Eval scrolls just as common.
SoT's are bugged atm.
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Connor_Graham
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We're not talking about organized guilds here, just random players that show up on the best characters they have to handle what they're trying to do. Most people don't have geared out dexxers that can blow through a spawn. They're AVERAGE players, not die hard PvP'rs in an organized spawn guild, which is what you're going to see the most of at any spawn in Ilsh.
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Smokey of LS
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i see it the way the guy up few post's said, they are REPLICA'S not real event items... they are made to be quite a few out there... and nowhere near the price of the real ones... and to go take the chance of diein over and over from raids... wasting my time workin all thespawns just to get raided.... may as well just save the money and buy them....ive did prob 15-20 spawns and gotten bout 6 SoT's and no items at all, kinda ridiculous if ya ask me... raise the drop rate and make them like they are supposed to be.... REPLICA'S NOT EVENT ITEMS.
Welcome to UO 2008 and beyond...la
Ok I'm not quite sold on 30% chance for a drop. It all depends on how the code is written yes? If you flip a quarter, the percentage breakdown is 50% for heads or tails. However flipping that quarter twice in no way guaruntees you a 100% chance of flipping heads. Both flips could easily be tails. Forgive me, it's been a while since I've had my statistics classes so I don't remeber the formulae.
Are each of the three drop categories rolled seperately? If so then 5% + 10% +15% does not equal 30% does it? Now if there were a Item Drop line set in the code that says 30% of the time something will drop, then a subroutine that decided which item category would drop, then that would make sense.
Are each of the three drop categories rolled seperately? If so then 5% + 10% +15% does not equal 30% does it? Now if there were a Item Drop line set in the code that says 30% of the time something will drop, then a subroutine that decided which item category would drop, then that would make sense.
I have not gotten a single Replica yet, and I can only sell the deco items for 500k or so.
Having said that? I'm neutral on increasing the drop rate.
If they keep the drop rate low, I'll sell them for higher. If they increase it, I'll sell them for lower, but sell more of them.
My prices, typically, are among the lowest on the shard anyway, so my profit margin's always going to be relatively low.
So far I bet I've lost money, in significant amounts, on this.
I was counting on this stuff to finance my fighting the invasions too. Oh well.
Sorry for rambling....Yeah, I'm neutral on the drop rate. Hell, just leave as it is and spend the man hours coding something else!
-Galen's player
Having said that? I'm neutral on increasing the drop rate.
If they keep the drop rate low, I'll sell them for higher. If they increase it, I'll sell them for lower, but sell more of them.
My prices, typically, are among the lowest on the shard anyway, so my profit margin's always going to be relatively low.
So far I bet I've lost money, in significant amounts, on this.
I was counting on this stuff to finance my fighting the invasions too. Oh well.
Sorry for rambling....Yeah, I'm neutral on the drop rate. Hell, just leave as it is and spend the man hours coding something else!
-Galen's player
Since only one item drops per spawn, they are not rolled separately. There is a roll to determine which type of artifact drops. Then there would be another roll if there are multiple types in that category to select one.
I would also like to mention that it is confirmed that you can get a replica without hitting the champion and just working spawn. We have had it happen two times now.
Was the person who got the Replica in a party with people who did hit the champ?
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I take a leg chiv archer or leg bush/chiv swordswoman when I go to the spawns in Humility (yes, I stick to that one, I don't like para dragons!). Both die regularly. Archer went down to para dread spider, para terathon matriarch, and para terathon avenger plus all their mates today. I couldn't actually move, and I got surrounded so fast I'd no chance of getting away. This is the archer that toes to toes with a DF, crosshealing with my hubby. Dead easy (pardon the pun) to die in spawn like this, and even easier to die getting body back after res. That's happened a few times too. I don't know how many times I've died, although I guess I've run through 500k + dying horribly gold since Saturday. It happens. But I don't think you can say someone is a bad player just because they die a lot - the spawn at some of these is a mare!
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El Phantasmo
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Believe me, I do understand the rarity issue in regards to the replicas/boss items. However, the replica & boss specific drop rates in Ish/Malas/Tokuno has to be bumped at least a little. As a guild, there are consistently 6-7 of us doing them from start to finish since Pub 57 began, and absolutely ZERO replicas and only one boss drop.
More specifically, we have done Valor & Humility easily 30-40 times, Merkatus of the Labyrinth twice (yes we know it's not an "official" champ but mention was made of a Boss specific drop), the Pestilence Spawn in Bedlam twice (We believe it may be broken. Seems to get stuck at Bog Things), the Twisted Weald spawn three times, Sleeping Dragon spawn in Tokuno three times, and Oaks twice. All of this work has netted us ZERO, Zilch, Nada in regards to drops!
Many of us were very excited to finally see the non-fel champs have a reward associated with them. Please dev's turn it up a smiggin?
Thank You!
More specifically, we have done Valor & Humility easily 30-40 times, Merkatus of the Labyrinth twice (yes we know it's not an "official" champ but mention was made of a Boss specific drop), the Pestilence Spawn in Bedlam twice (We believe it may be broken. Seems to get stuck at Bog Things), the Twisted Weald spawn three times, Sleeping Dragon spawn in Tokuno three times, and Oaks twice. All of this work has netted us ZERO, Zilch, Nada in regards to drops!
Many of us were very excited to finally see the non-fel champs have a reward associated with them. Please dev's turn it up a smiggin?
Thank You!
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wrekognize
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Keep these replicas rare! Please. there are hardly any rare items you can actually go hunt in our world anymore. It would be nice to have a group of items like this that are extremely hard to obtain.
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Thats why "a replica has been awarded" message would be useful. I am really surprised that no one got anything in 7 and 40 spawns respectively, when the drop rate is 30% and pro-spawners here say that the 30% is accurate.
For the Ilsh and Malas spawns, to balance out that powerscrolls dont drop, there should be a greater chance say 80% for a replica to drop, or one should always drop.
Well 80% of the people voted against such a message, so if you lose yours because you didn't notice it drop into your backpack I guess tough luck?
Are you kidding? This publish shouldn't have even be in Ilsh anyway, in fact Felluca should have a higher drop rate because there is a thousand times more risk than there is in Ilsh. The whole intention of this publish was to get people away from despise and fix the duped items.
Yes the futons arent big enough. Anyway it doesnt effect me because I only hunt with people I totally trust. LMAO.
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I Like Pie
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the champ spawn drop rate and distribution rules are lame... the devs could of done more IMO. Until then I'll just buy the items... no sense wasting time when I could be wasting my time doing more unproductive things in this stupid game. Things will never change so why waste your pent up energy you accumulate playing this stupid game by pancakes... one way to take care of that energy is just get trashed and go beat up or wife/husband. I seen that on cops once.
Unless you are a big zerg champ spawn guild. Then there is no risk and it's all reward. In Ilsh paragons add to the risk. It's all debateable. The drop rate on the SoT's still suck.