If deemed low hanging fruit, would you support this.
So? This isn't 1999 anymore. We've since added Ninjitsu, Bushido, Chivalry, Necromancy, Myst, a Gargoyle Race, and Elf Race, and many many other things. Items that can be tossed without timers on them, such as explosion pots, and various spells that do area damage.There is no timer between when someone hides and begins stealthing.
Awesome so if i dont have the magery or regs required for reveal as long as i have detect hidden skill i can still use this spell?No. Detect Hidden benefits The Magery Spell "Reveal" as well, so the timer issue isn't really an issue at all. Further, anyone who hides via the invisibility spell can be revealed 100% of the time by the Reveal spell, whether Detect Hidden is on template or not.
You can use detect skill, and during the 10 seconds to reuse, you can cast four or five reveals, then use detect skill again. Whats the problem?
Don't be silly. Using skills that you haven't invested the points and/or gear into would be Trammelish, don't you think? That'd be like asking for passi... oh.Awesome so if i dont have the magery or regs required for reveal as long as i have detect hidden skill i can still use this spell?
Okay so now if i want to use detect hidden any where near as fast as you can hide i have invest yet even more skill points?Don't be silly. Using skills that you haven't invested the points and/or gear into would be Trammelish, don't you think? That'd be like asking for passi... oh.
So... it's not balanced.So?There is no timer between when someone hides and begins stealthing.
Don't forget the skill points in tracking you will need because by the time you're ready to reveal, the stealther has already left the building.Okay so now if i want to use detect hidden any where near as fast as you can hide i have invest yet even more skill points?Don't be silly. Using skills that you haven't invested the points and/or gear into would be Trammelish, don't you think? That'd be like asking for passi... oh.
Wow ya i see your point.
Good point its not 1999 any more. Thats why they added passive detect.So? This isn't 1999 anymore. We've since added Ninjitsu, Bushido, Chivalry, Necromancy, Myst, a Gargoyle Race, and Elf Race, and many many other things. Items that can be tossed without timers on them, such as explosion pots, and various spells that do area damage.
You cannot expect someone to hide 10 seconds before using stealth anymore. There is no requirement that you stand still 10 seconds after using detect.
What good would a ninja be if they couldnt keep up with a target, giving them a 10 second head start, they are 4 or 5 screens away?!?!
The detect timer is the same as the hiding/stealth timer.The detect timer has already been reduced from 10 seconds to 5 seconds within the last year. Stop crying already and learn your game mechanics, mister expert!
As an assassin and an opportunist, yes. I prefer the battles to be on my terms. Who are you to deem they should be on YOUR terms?So... it's not balanced.
If you reveal a stealther with the detect skill, they can instantly rehide and start stealthing again. By the time you can detect again, the stealther can rehide and start stealthing away... again.
If you use the reveal spell, you have to stand still until it is ready to be cast.
I see that you're trying to preserve the ability to only risk conflict with other players on your terms, but this game is supposed to have balance.
It is currently not balanced. I'm sorry.
The terms should be balanced between the template you run and the counter to it.As an assassin and an opportunist, yes. I prefer the battles to be on my terms. Who are you to deem they should be on YOUR terms?So... it's not balanced.
If you reveal a stealther with the detect skill, they can instantly rehide and start stealthing again. By the time you can detect again, the stealther can rehide and start stealthing away... again.
If you use the reveal spell, you have to stand still until it is ready to be cast.
I see that you're trying to preserve the ability to only risk conflict with other players on your terms, but this game is supposed to have balance.
It is currently not balanced. I'm sorry.
Ru and I have both been through this with you before. I suggest that while you're gnawing on that bug ugly foot of yours, you go test this out.The detect timer is the same as the hiding/stealth timer.The detect timer has already been reduced from 10 seconds to 5 seconds within the last year. Stop crying already and learn your game mechanics, mister expert!
What was that you were saying about game mechanics?
I would have said yes to lowering it but that has already been done. So now its 5 seconds between detect attempts and 10 between hide attempts. Seems more than fair.The detect timer has already been reduced from 10 seconds to 5 seconds within the last year. Stop crying already and learn your game mechanics, mister expert!
We've been through this before too. I have tested it out and so have others. The timers the same. Do you think the Devs don't know it's the same? Do you think some poor sap reading this who might believe you will vote no simply because you're trying to twist things?Ru and I have both been through this with you before. I suggest that while you're gnawing on that bug ugly foot of yours, you go test this out.The detect timer is the same as the hiding/stealth timer.The detect timer has already been reduced from 10 seconds to 5 seconds within the last year. Stop crying already and learn your game mechanics, mister expert!
What was that you were saying about game mechanics?
Poor Drax, just as BSC as ever!
Btw... IBTL
Considering it's not, I'll petition Petra to move your vote to the appropriate column.I would have said yes to lowering it but that has already been done. So now its 5 seconds between detect attempts and 10 between hide attempts. Seems more than fair.The detect timer has already been reduced from 10 seconds to 5 seconds within the last year. Stop crying already and learn your game mechanics, mister expert!
Make a new poll with the option to lower the detect timer from 10 seconds and I will fully support it. I will not support removing it. As I have said repeatedly I am in favor of people with the detect hidden skill being able to detect stealthers and hidden players.Considering it's not, I'll petition Petra to move your vote to the appropriate column.
I can't fault you for Kat's attempts at misleading you.
Clearing up lies, exaggerations and manipulating is not taking anyone else's comments on board?Whats the point to having a poll and a discussion, when you really don't want to take anyone else's comments on board?
The timers are not the same. You need a better timer or maybe re-learn to count. It's okay... You only need one hand for this. I'll leave out the slam that could go along nicely with that comment. I wouldn't want to push you over the edge, with you being so dangerously close and all!We've been through this before too. I have tested it out and so have others. The timers the same. Do you think the Devs don't know it's the same? Do you think some poor sap reading this who might believe you will vote no simply because you're trying to twist things?
Nice try though.
I expect you to do everything in your power (lie, exaggerate, twist, manipulate) to preserve the advantages stealth gives you.
EDIT: Apparently John Connelly was "some poor sap" who believed you.
Why doesn't no timer seem fair when there is no timer between hiding and stealth?Make a new poll with the option to lower the detect timer from 10 seconds and I will fully support it. I will not support removing it. As I have said repeatedly I am in favor of people with the detect hidden skill being able to detect stealthers and hidden players.Considering it's not, I'll petition Petra to move your vote to the appropriate column.
I can't fault you for Kat's attempts at misleading you.
Nope. Maybe you need to spend more time learning game mechanics. You probably wouldn't be so terrible at using them if you did.The timers are not the same. You need a better timer or maybe re-learn to count. It's okay... You only need one hand for this. I'll leave out the slam that could go along nicely with that comment. I wouldn't want to push you over the edge, with you being so dangerously close and all!We've been through this before too. I have tested it out and so have others. The timers the same. Do you think the Devs don't know it's the same? Do you think some poor sap reading this who might believe you will vote no simply because you're trying to twist things?
Nice try though.
I expect you to do everything in your power (lie, exaggerate, twist, manipulate) to preserve the advantages stealth gives you.
EDIT: Apparently John Connelly was "some poor sap" who believed you.
LOL. You sure know how to lie. That's about it.I know those game mechanics quite well. You, on the other hand either run like a scared rabbit or die when I'm on my detector because I am sooooo terrible at using those skills! Gotcha!
I already answered that above.Why doesn't no timer seem fair when there is no timer between hiding and stealth?
*From other post Bite Me*That's hilarious. The only suggestion you come up with is and always was a fail. It doesn't work. Care to suggest another template or method that doesn't work? I guess the best you can do is try and protect the ability to abuse something that came in so handy to you.
Oh, I've figured it out. The only successful counters to stealth are stealthers.
Stealth is over powered and needs to be fixed.
Feel free to come back from la la land at any point in time. Reality misses you.
Oh well Ru and I must be running leet hax then, unless you are just stupid. Hmmm.. I'll go with the latter.Just tested it about 5 times. The timers for detect and hiding are the same. On my stop watch I got 10.23 seconds for detect and 10.42 seconds for hiding. Obviously just depends on how quick I hit the stop button.
So they're definitely the same. Although, uoguide.com says the detect timer is 5 seconds. However, it is without a doubt 10 seconds.
Allow me to make a video for you.Oh well Ru and I must be running leet hax then, unless you are just stupid. Hmmm.. I'll go with the latter.
Her lying isn't working as well as she was hoping it would.Allow me to make a video for you.Oh well Ru and I must be running leet hax then, unless you are just stupid. Hmmm.. I'll go with the latter.
I like how you're calling names now. Gotta get this thread locked as well huh?
SourceThere is a 6 second delay between uses of Detecting Hidden.
Just tested it about 5 times. The timers for detect and hiding are the same. On my stop watch I got 10.23 seconds for detect and 10.42 seconds for hiding. Obviously just depends on how quick I hit the stop button.
So they're definitely the same. Although, uoguide.com says the detect timer is 5 seconds. However, it is without a doubt 10 seconds.
ThisAs an assassin and an opportunist, yes. I prefer the battles to be on my terms. Who are you to deem they should be on YOUR terms?
Considering I am at a heavy disadvantage, up against faction suits and UOA macros, and myself being 2D without UOA and gm Armour, you would think that I'd be the one posting about nerfs.
I do not use smoke bombs, potions, petals, or anything else that requires me to click on something in my pack, as I don't have the "easy button" of UOA to do that for me. Try living in MY world before you nerf it. Whats the matter, cant hack it?
When i visited Storm on his kids birthday this year i took my Laptop, and hadn't set up any UO Stuff on it.As an assassin and an opportunist, yes. I prefer the battles to be on my terms. Who are you to deem they should be on YOUR terms?
Considering I am at a heavy disadvantage, up against faction suits and UOA macros, and myself being 2D without UOA and gm Armour, you would think that I'd be the one posting about nerfs.
I do not use smoke bombs, potions, petals, or anything else that requires me to click on something in my pack, as I don't have the "easy button" of UOA to do that for me. Try living in MY world before you nerf it. Whats the matter, cant hack it?
Uhm LOL? Maybe I'm just blind, but from what I saw on the Detect Hidden video, you used the skill at :07 and got the message "Where would you like to search" again at :01. Sure seems like a 6 second timer to me!YouTube - Detect Hidden
*Detect Hidden
YouTube - Hiding Skill
*Hiding Skill
I'm not very savvy with recording, so this is the best ya get!! But it proves our point though.
*Edit*
Might want to make it full screen so you can see when it say's (what will you search for) on the Detect hidden one.
You are an unbelievable failure..Uhm LOL? Maybe I'm just blind, but from what I saw on the Detect Hidden video, you used the skill at :07 and got the message "Where would you like to search" again at :01. Sure seems like a 6 second timer to me!
Nice fail?