Or else the ground will quake, fire will rain down from the sky, and all the characters on the shard will wake up in a void zone they've never seen the likes of, filled with horrors and unimaginable cruelties......?
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Problem with Veterans on SP
- Thread starter ApollyonSP
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I"m pretty sure the entire world would love numbers like that.
How long have you been on Siege? It's been about 6 years since I last played, what I see today is this void zone you claim. Granted it plays into your "evil vets" narrative, but the shard has never been this empty...there really isn't much emptier it can get...la
The worst thing is..adding a second house actually bumped the population I hear.. :/ you'd have better luck playing prodo shards and not insuring your stuff to get that "hardcore" feeling with other actual players. Idk Rico become a Powerscroll/Potion thief..at least you'll have more action
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I have read most of the replies and I think the whole idea that vets are running people off Siege is not happening. So far I have chatted in gen chat with lots of vets and all of them have been helpful. If you want to know some of the real problems that either keep people from coming to Siege or leaving once they come you are going to need to look a little deeper than OMG someone said something mean in gen chat or didn't help me.
Most of the people who are consider "New" are only new to Siege, most of us are vets from other shards looking for something to make the game fun again. The hardest part of Siege is one char, not being able to be self-sufficient. The next thing is making chars is harder than other shards just because you have to make the gold to buy things. On other shards when I want to make new chars I can transfer gold and items that my new char will need, you can't do that on Siege. Getting around is harder if you can't recall, but that is minor if you have a char with magery.
The last thing I notice is not seeing many people just because everyone is sort of secretive when it comes to where they are. This means learning who's who and in what guilds is next to impossible, with a few exceptions. Someone new who would like to join a guild would have a hard time finding the right guild for them.
Personally I am loving Siege and the challenges of making a new char and making the gold she will need to survive, it has made the game fun again. I am looking forward to having a completed char and being able fit in with the Siege community.
Most of the people who are consider "New" are only new to Siege, most of us are vets from other shards looking for something to make the game fun again. The hardest part of Siege is one char, not being able to be self-sufficient. The next thing is making chars is harder than other shards just because you have to make the gold to buy things. On other shards when I want to make new chars I can transfer gold and items that my new char will need, you can't do that on Siege. Getting around is harder if you can't recall, but that is minor if you have a char with magery.
The last thing I notice is not seeing many people just because everyone is sort of secretive when it comes to where they are. This means learning who's who and in what guilds is next to impossible, with a few exceptions. Someone new who would like to join a guild would have a hard time finding the right guild for them.
Personally I am loving Siege and the challenges of making a new char and making the gold she will need to survive, it has made the game fun again. I am looking forward to having a completed char and being able fit in with the Siege community.
So if they are dead and gone and cannot be asked, what makes you think your guess as to their reason is the correct one?
Siege is a way friendlier shard than any prodo one, its why I play here a lot, I hardly even talk on Europa.
IMO the 1 char limit keeps Siege as a "novelty shard", so much so that it is generally supposed that all players on Siege have a "home shard"(a prodo one) .
I came to siege with 4 other people in 2003, 3 of them left after a week because they missed the home trammy comforts and all their skilled up chars with loads of money(interestingly they were the 3 that were PvPer reds on Europa), one (blue non pvper) stayed with me but in the end she left UO for another game when she got broadband in 2004, without her I got bored then and also left UO.
While Siege remains a 1 char novelty shard it will remain the poor relation of the regular shards, and those regular shards are also losing players year on year it seems, I seriously doubt that has anything to do with vet players upsetting them, its simply that there are prettier and cheaper modern MMOs out there, incidentally after playing WoW for 5 years I can tell you that place has the most toxic, childish community I ever came across, I'm very glad I came back here and I'm really enjoying UO again.
Low population is a UO wide thing, in the end Siege is a backwater of a backwater in this respect, its nothing to do with vets.
I agree completely with your other thread about the client though Apollyon, if they just modernised the EC to the level of those real 3d UO pictures in that thread I think it would really revitalise this game.
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Wow!.... <g> Let a simple fact sink in people, if your on Siege, newbie, vet, laid back, or an asshat, your prey, and people who enjoy hunting others may not be sweet talking folks. 
If someone annoys you in chat, ignore them, turn off chat, or head for a regular shard. Siege is not a place for the thin-skinned or timid.
If someone annoys you in chat, ignore them, turn off chat, or head for a regular shard. Siege is not a place for the thin-skinned or timid.
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I like the first part of your statement here, but the the second part? You log out? Why do that? Why not get revenge? Or form your own group? Or get what you want from under the noses of the people who'd try to oppose you?
Siege doesn't exist so everybody can have fun, it exists to give some degree of control to the players. Veterans are well within their rights to exercise that control, and anybody who wants to carve out a place on the shard should either use it too - or respect it.
I respected those who ran NEW because they were trying to help the shard, but I never actually thought the idea of NEW made much sense for the shard. Siege needs players who can rise to challenges, and some of the best challenges occur very early on when you're still trying to figure out how you're going to earn any gold when you're near bankrupt, get revenge on people who killed you, find ways to help your friends, and accomplish simple goals of building up your character.
If you want to grow the shard, then create stories. That's what's always worked. Polarizing the community could be a workable move, but the next step is to turn it in to a cause. Are you willing to create a guild and recruit openly to make a stand against the vets you feel are wrecking the shard?
CorwinWE2 this is the best post in this whole thread. I couldn't agree with you more on all the things you said. Great post I hope everyone reads it. What makes a shard great is people who are willing to give their time to help it grow. If you want to be part of the solution then you have to give your time instead of just whining about whats wrong.
LOL Ya thats why UOF and a cple other no trammy free shards are so friggin hot. You know not, Trammy.
Freeplaying leeches play what's available to them???
Ya! Hooked me a troll! That was easy! Ooooo he`s just a lil SUCKER :loser:
Thanks. Drama in UO is a funny thing, Some people only like it when it's scripted and they know what role they need to play and know what role everyone else will play, and some people dislike non-scripted drama so much they want to snuff it out like it's some sort of aberration; but IMO, it's the purest form of fun that can be had in the game because it involves real people, real emotions, and hopefully real in-game actions that can't be predicted.
And that's the key. In-game. Let them play out and document it all in the forums - maybe light some new fires on the forums (if the mods will let you) - but then take it in game where things can play out. If the story/cause is compelling other players will want to join in the fun and will do what it takes to join in the fun - if it looks like fun!
Of course there are challenges. For instance, it's hard for new players to catch up with veterans in terms of items and materials, but that's exactly why we've seen Ranger guilds, Orc guilds, and even Bob guilds all pop up over the years. There are ways to engage the shard and folks from other shards with very minimal training and effort.
It does take time ...
I was once involved with the Skara Brae Rangers of LS ... an idea born from a simple post made and still documented in the old UO newgroup:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/rec.games.computer.ultima.online/BHw30Jf3UDQ/BNj4ySSPMlEJ
Bobs drool and Freds rule...la
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Barton said Bob's a chump, just sayin . . .
Pot? Meet Kettle.
You should be treated exactly as you act. Which reminds me. I had you on my troll (ignore) list in the past. Gonna have to fix that right now. I can see your still the well of useless swill and comments you have always been. :loser:
Bu Bye Corky. Go ahead and reply, it will fall on deaf ears! MUWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!
whoa... what a long thread. i'm dizzy.
BARTON!!!
LOL!!!!
I can't read anymore of this thread. It's too ridiculous.
For the record. The reason this shard has a low population is because it's a novelty. Niche. A niche of an overall game that had grown into a niche of it's own. The rule-set is a perversion of the other shards. That is why it's not most's cup of tea. Siege is broken by design. Instead of tailoring the rules on Siege towards the direction this game went (while keeping it's spirit alive), we wound up going in circles with some very vested, very loud voices whose interests superseded the greater good.
People are and were stuck in the past. Or in the niche Siege had become.
Something else was lobbied hard for. At what could have been our finest community moment since, welp, the start... we chose the status quo of the times instead. And nothing really changed.
The End.
Draxous
PS. Bow in the presence of my ****ing greatness, waffles.
Well, hey! Good to see you are still a complete **** splash after all these years. My cynicism never stops getting rewarded!
Those darn vets !!
What are you referring to? Seems to me what the Siege population wanted was rarely what we got. I seem to recall the shard started out with a wipe and a major rule change overhaul even after the player base was polled and voted against it.