Mesanna said it was about 50/50.... I'd believe her.
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So much for no ranting & raving.
It's only been a day folks and many of those that didn't play due to it being Easter will start wandering in this evening. Nine days to go before the Poll ends. Take your meds to calm yourselves and mellow out for a week.
It's only been a day folks and many of those that didn't play due to it being Easter will start wandering in this evening. Nine days to go before the Poll ends. Take your meds to calm yourselves and mellow out for a week.
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I can now claim that I really no longer care what the numbers are anymore. Without a plan to actually finish the client, bring back high resolution artwork and fix the issues that are apparently cropping up in the new UI, it really doesn't matter.
Congratulations all of you who refuse to move outside of 1998, may you enjoy your continuing slide into 640x480 obscurity.
Other than emptying ore carts on a ~weekly basis, you'll have a better chance of finding me in Shards Online or Shroud of the Avatar, both which which are a better fit on a modern monitor.
I can now claim that I really no longer care what the numbers are anymore. Without a plan to actually finish the client, bring back high resolution artwork and fix the issues that are apparently cropping up in the new UI, it really doesn't matter.
Congratulations all of you who refuse to move outside of 1998, may you enjoy your continuing slide into 640x480 obscurity.
Other than emptying ore carts on a ~weekly basis, you'll have a better chance of finding me in Shards Online or Shroud of the Avatar, both which which are a better fit on a modern monitor.
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Err. Basically everyone who plays UO is refusing to move outside of 1998. Using the EC hardly brings us into the modern world does it. This is a 90's game. Lock stock and barrel.
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But they're also typically conducted by professional pollsters who have certain demographic objectives needed to be met before extrapolating the poll across an entire state. Point being, the opinion of Stratics population doesn't necessarily reflect the entire game's population.I get your point but when they do election polls they don't call every voter in the US
I would suspect that support for CC will be overstated on Stratics, as it is generally older crowd on here, and the younger folks I seem to come across are usually much more open to EC.
CC fits well on my last years model laptop wide screen at default setting and was good on my 3 year old desktops wide screen set for non phone book size text. 1920x1080 or something like that.
That's a problem with many polls, the sample base used can be chosen to weight the numbers the poll gives. Decide which result you want people to see in the news reports and concentrate your pollsters on groups or areas that feel the way you want to have your results show. You never hear specific info on what basis who was polled were chosen.
This poll is coming from the same source the past 50/50 polls came from, the same group of posters. The numbers that this poll shows in nine days should be as valid as the past 50/50 polls. Any relative change shown should be valid.
gods there needs to be <lol> Wonder if any of my old college days recreational meds sources are still alive and in business these days <chuckles> They could really add to their retirement stash here.
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The better pollsters (i.e., Gallup) usually have a pretty solid non-biased and professional formula for weighting their polls and their full reports are often publicly available. They make tweaks for weighting different aspects that have to be based on judgment, but this is usually covered in their reports. Specifics of who/what is chosen is always included, just not usually covered in-depth by the 24/7 headline driven media.
Tell me if I'm wrong, but didn't the past 50/50 information come from Mesanna? I don't recall this being a poll on Stratics. My guess is she based it on actual data, not an unscientific poll posted in this forum.
Highly doubtful the poll connected to this thread, no matter how many days it has been open, is representative of UO population as a whole.
If you like lots of useless black space, sure it fits great.
Its like not even something to argue about, CC sucks on a decent monitor running at its native resolution.
Did a search using 'client' as the search term and came up with these two:
https://stratics.com/community/threads/which-client-do-you-use.256058/
https://stratics.com/community/threads/which-client-do-you-use.296773/
These both gave results like this one is starting out with. The 50/50 might be from Mesanna, which means it could be the 'Official Company Viewpoint' she was told to give. <shrugs>
As the main UO forums site, Stratics should be a valid sample. But each side of a Poll leans to one side or the other concerning whether samples are good or tainted in some way.
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If people are going to dismiss Stratics polls out of hand simply stating that they arent representative then what in the hell is the point in even having this function? Stratics may as well remove the option because according to some here, the poll results are meaningless. Well, I guess they say theyre meaningless when they dont like the result ....
If you watch their streams & videos, a lot of them also play the CC.
Especially the Koreans.
If you look at the amount of unattended farming done on Izumo for example....I would suggest they are mostly using CC so they can script easier. Also I think a good number of PvPers run CC so they can run Medic etc. On Cats it has been said that Honest pvpers run EC...the rest run CC. LOL you figure out what the numbers are.
scripting is actually easier in EC, you just dont need an outside program to do it and most are just are more familiar with those illegal cc programs. its like if murder irl were legal in USA but not mexico, would the american murderers be considered more honest than the mexican murderers? maybe
Just glad the cc is up and running most of the time. I would rather have the team work on adding useful features to the cc. A mapping feature like uoa would be nice. A retooled macro system, removal of checks with universal monetary usage by primary account.
I feel the Ec was a waste and that effort should have gone into the Classic game.
I feel the Ec was a waste and that effort should have gone into the Classic game.
I tried, I really tried. I love the idea of the EC, but I am so used to the graphics and the UI of the CC. I did use the EC to create my account, but 99% of the time, you'll find me playing the CC.
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AMEN Who gives a crap anymore which client anybody uses as long as they play UO so it doesn't die.All the gossip puts it at about 50/50. Getting rid of either one would probably end UO. Can't we all just get along?
I don't want to get into it, but you really don't need a very big sample size for such a small group of people.
I also don't know what difference it makes. Neither client is going anywhere.
Oh, goodness. The EC is a mess, you basically said it yourself. It's more functional, I don't think there's ever been a question on that, but aesthetically its a freaking hodgepodge nightmare. The mix of clearly old and clearly new just comes across as amaturish IMO.
The ONLY reason I only use the CC is because the UI looks nice (despite being primitive), and the art is (with the exception of all the totally out of place item art we have gotten in the last 5 odd years) cohesive in style, and an overall clean, simple and exceptional set of assets, regardless of the **** resolution.
What this poll really proves is .... we love to argue
Isn't that a prerequisite to posting on the internet?What this poll really proves is .... we love to argue
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You must know something about ec that I don't because they have blocked most of the 'use' commands in ec...
Ec to me is all about quality of life improvements. If I had to stock vendors in cc I would rather not have them at all. Plus all the other nice features it provides it almost makes uo feel modern. Hah!
must be one of those vendors i pass over because everything is a jumbled mess
Haha. I'm certain it is.must be one of those vendors i pass over because everything is a jumbled mess
yeah me too lol. I dont switch to EC to be able to shop. It's either visible or I dont buy itmust be one of those vendors i pass over because everything is a jumbled mess
Me too! If I open a vendor's inventory and it's all at the top piled in a mess... I close it and shop elsewhere.must be one of those vendors i pass over because everything is a jumbled mess
And thats the sad thing about all this. In Third Dawn, if you stocked in it, it was the same way for the cc user when he opened the pack. Couldnt see anything but a jumbled mess. This brings up two points:
1. If you're stocking in EC, you're missing sales.
2. After the problem with 3rd Dawn, doesn't it make you wonder why they didnt learn from it?? But yet they repeated the same mistake yet again. Priorities differ, I guess. I would rather dev time be spent on making cc client sort the EC pack, or the EC loading goods in the pack in a manner that is compatible to both clients. To me, this would be time better spent than refinements, removing checks, making a shield dyeable, etc etc.
1. If you're stocking in EC, you're missing sales.
2. After the problem with 3rd Dawn, doesn't it make you wonder why they didnt learn from it?? But yet they repeated the same mistake yet again. Priorities differ, I guess. I would rather dev time be spent on making cc client sort the EC pack, or the EC loading goods in the pack in a manner that is compatible to both clients. To me, this would be time better spent than refinements, removing checks, making a shield dyeable, etc etc.
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Actually, to me, the vendor issue is a glaring technical problem with the CLASSIC client to me. That being that everything about the classic client has become so tiny on higher resolution screens that it's difficult to work with outside of having a crap-load of sub-packs to create more "room". In the EC, this is solved via grid or list views. Grid and list views allow us (the EC users) to use the entire bag's holding capacity in a neat and organized fashion without the need of bags in bags in bags. That doesn't even go into the additions of UI features such as bag searches.
My issues with the CC have always been on a technical level, mainly that the client is too small in terms of resolution for modern systems. On an old 17in CRT, it looked great. On a 1920x1080 23in LCD, it's squints-ville. The animation ever since I got used to the 3d client is jerky and limited and I hated to see them go back to that style of animation for KR/EC after the smoothness of polygonal animation. As for the UI, while I applaud the one person earlier who only used the CC and not UOA, having to install a third party hack program (maybe not illegal, but let's be honest, it hacks the client datastream) is a sign of the limitations of the CC UI. Furthermore, constant calls for EC UI features to be back-ported to the CC is another such sign.
Be that as it may, it's all for naught. The Team has no time to finish up a client and make it actually be The One™, but they have time to add in new artwork and expansions. So I accept that "loss" and make my decision accordingly. I stated when SotA was announced that the clock was ticking. SotA while not complete is now almost completely persistent.
In Third Dawn, you could EASILY stock to mimic the 2d client's area of use. The upper left corner of the bag when it was opened in expandable mode had the same area as the 2d client. It was only going outside this area that caused things to get jumbled.
Actually, to me, the vendor issue is a glaring technical problem with the CLASSIC client to me. That being that everything about the classic client has become so tiny on higher resolution screens that it's difficult to work with outside of having a crap-load of sub-packs to create more "room". In the EC, this is solved via grid or list views. Grid and list views allow us (the EC users) to use the entire bag's holding capacity in a neat and organized fashion without the need of bags in bags in bags. That doesn't even go into the additions of UI features such as bag searches.
You're right, but I lay that at the feet of the devs and ultimately EA for not providing the resources to allow enough focus to remain on any new client (from 3d forward) in order to actually FINISH the damn thing. EC looks like a mess because it's using low resolution CC artwork and distorting and pixellating the hell out of it when you zoom anywhere outside of the native 640x480 resolution. Beyond that, the mobs have been horribly lowered in resolution compared to the crispness that most had (some still needed hueing tweaks) in the KR client.Uthva said:
My issues with the CC have always been on a technical level, mainly that the client is too small in terms of resolution for modern systems. On an old 17in CRT, it looked great. On a 1920x1080 23in LCD, it's squints-ville. The animation ever since I got used to the 3d client is jerky and limited and I hated to see them go back to that style of animation for KR/EC after the smoothness of polygonal animation. As for the UI, while I applaud the one person earlier who only used the CC and not UOA, having to install a third party hack program (maybe not illegal, but let's be honest, it hacks the client datastream) is a sign of the limitations of the CC UI. Furthermore, constant calls for EC UI features to be back-ported to the CC is another such sign.
Be that as it may, it's all for naught. The Team has no time to finish up a client and make it actually be The One™, but they have time to add in new artwork and expansions. So I accept that "loss" and make my decision accordingly. I stated when SotA was announced that the clock was ticking. SotA while not complete is now almost completely persistent.
I disagree with everyone who says the CC has to have a 3rd party program to be useable. 17 years here, on outside program I ever had was automap. And have enjoyed the game immensely until lately But it isnt a cc client problem that lessens my gaming pleasure
But it isnt a cc client problem that lessens my gaming pleasure
EC is supposed to let you stock for CC buyers by switching your container view.
In default EC, you can switch to legacy container under user settings, then switch back when you're done and go about your business.
With Pinco's all you have to do is click the green button on your inventory and you'll cycle from list to legacy to grid view.
Has anybody done this and it not worked?
You're the one that ends all his posts with this urgent plea? I was trying to remember the other day. And how long have you been asking this?
The EC was doing wonderfully.... and then it became apparent that the old "default" UI was too overly bland and needed some serious improvement to make it "decent" and "user friendly"... and easier for new players to use. So they stopped us from being able to use Pinco's UI and let Pinco have at the default UI...
What happened was they somehow took a MAJOR step backwards with the EC and I honestly don't know what the frell happened but it seemed they bonded the new EC default UI onto a version of the EC that was ANCIENT and full of bugs. They reintroduced a ton of nasty bugs making it almost unplayable.... and then further forked everyone using the EC by it taking ages for Pinco to get his UI back up and running with the new default...
In that time several I'm guessing couldn't take it and either quit or went back to 2d. Something that I'll NEVER do... I'll quit first. Honestly the 2d client even on my "new" computer runs like crap.... constantly hanging up and having weird glitches. Besides it's literally been over 7 years since I've really used the 2d client... I can't remember how... I haven't bothered downloading or getting UOAssist up and running again and using the old 2d client with my G-13 is VERY frustrating. I was running out of keys to map on it...
As for the rest of things... while I'm aware of the vendor issue and difference between even trading in the EC to the CC one thing I will say on that is.... that's on the DEV's. Firmly in their court... Why they can't get that to function properly is beyond me. And yes the CC could easily get a "list" view for vendors.
Yes some of the EC is "UGLY" but so is much of the CC and the CC is full of hacks and cheats... every bit as much if not more so than the EC.
To me looking at a tiny window and a vast sea of black when looking at the old CC is bad. I play on a 46" LED HDTV and while the tiny screen is so silly it's the itsy bitsy journal and super tiny font that drives me nuts in the CC. I can't read it and when folk don't change the default emote color of the CC it blends in totally with the background of the journal..... I almost exclusively read what's going on out of the journal.... I don't look at the itsy bitsy crap on the screen... so if folk emote anything I can't see wtf it was.
And since I often play a Tamer or Thunt or do MIB's the EC is SOOOOOOOO much better for those things that I would NEVER go back to the CC ever. With the zoom and everything in the EC it makes doing Maps easy as all get out.... and with Pinco's integration of the Pet Power Calculator into the Animal Lore gump and having it ALL on one page it's so overwhelmingly more user friendly than the CC that I just hated being without Pinco's so much made me not want to play while it wasn't available.
So you can keep your CC if you want... and cry, piss and moan about things I can do better than you... or you can make the switch. Yes there are a few ugly things... like Hiryu's and such... but the difference in what I can do vs what I can't do is hands down better in the EC.
Being able to roll up on an EM event and always have the bar of the mobs is one of the hands down best things about the EC.
What happened was they somehow took a MAJOR step backwards with the EC and I honestly don't know what the frell happened but it seemed they bonded the new EC default UI onto a version of the EC that was ANCIENT and full of bugs. They reintroduced a ton of nasty bugs making it almost unplayable.... and then further forked everyone using the EC by it taking ages for Pinco to get his UI back up and running with the new default...
In that time several I'm guessing couldn't take it and either quit or went back to 2d. Something that I'll NEVER do... I'll quit first. Honestly the 2d client even on my "new" computer runs like crap.... constantly hanging up and having weird glitches. Besides it's literally been over 7 years since I've really used the 2d client... I can't remember how... I haven't bothered downloading or getting UOAssist up and running again and using the old 2d client with my G-13 is VERY frustrating. I was running out of keys to map on it...
As for the rest of things... while I'm aware of the vendor issue and difference between even trading in the EC to the CC one thing I will say on that is.... that's on the DEV's. Firmly in their court... Why they can't get that to function properly is beyond me. And yes the CC could easily get a "list" view for vendors.
Yes some of the EC is "UGLY" but so is much of the CC and the CC is full of hacks and cheats... every bit as much if not more so than the EC.
To me looking at a tiny window and a vast sea of black when looking at the old CC is bad. I play on a 46" LED HDTV and while the tiny screen is so silly it's the itsy bitsy journal and super tiny font that drives me nuts in the CC. I can't read it and when folk don't change the default emote color of the CC it blends in totally with the background of the journal..... I almost exclusively read what's going on out of the journal.... I don't look at the itsy bitsy crap on the screen... so if folk emote anything I can't see wtf it was.
And since I often play a Tamer or Thunt or do MIB's the EC is SOOOOOOOO much better for those things that I would NEVER go back to the CC ever. With the zoom and everything in the EC it makes doing Maps easy as all get out.... and with Pinco's integration of the Pet Power Calculator into the Animal Lore gump and having it ALL on one page it's so overwhelmingly more user friendly than the CC that I just hated being without Pinco's so much made me not want to play while it wasn't available.
So you can keep your CC if you want... and cry, piss and moan about things I can do better than you... or you can make the switch. Yes there are a few ugly things... like Hiryu's and such... but the difference in what I can do vs what I can't do is hands down better in the EC.
Being able to roll up on an EM event and always have the bar of the mobs is one of the hands down best things about the EC.
I have UOA on my accounts because I used it for crafting before they modified the crafting system to do quantities. Most use it usually gets since is to show weight, gold, and make thread, yarn, and cloth.
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I don't want to go to all that trouble - whatever, I just wish they would start listening and do it
EDIT: OK, it wasn't that much trouble - Dermott of LS,Sep 15, 2010
EDIT: OK, it wasn't that much trouble - Dermott of LS,Sep 15, 2010
We are working on 18 years of UO. Much of the player base is OLD or getting there. With that in mind I'd like to suggest a NEW 3rd client be introduced. The JITTERBUG client. Comes standard with HUGE ICONS and MASSIVE FONTS to keep the oldsters from squinting too much. 
And give us old fogeys some contrast on those journal colors!!We are working on 18 years of UO. Much of the player base is OLD or getting there. With that in mind I'd like to suggest a NEW 3rd client be introduced. The JITTERBUG client. Comes standard with HUGE ICONS and MASSIVE FONTS to keep the oldsters from squinting too much.
Then I'd quit.i agree just scrap the EC
I agree... only I'd be closing 12 accounts.
But the fact remains, it ISN'T finished, and wont be. Even if it got the high res art the style clash would have still been horribly garish.
I'm just saying it's not really fair to accuse CC users of being luddites or stuck in the past or whatever. There IS a valid reason to not want to use it.
I don't think there is even a remote fear of this happening, even if only like...10% of the population used it (which is obviously low). At this point they probably don't want to alienate anyone.
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