OT - Public Education

[Guest]

Here in the U.S. it just really REALLY sucks some days, particularly in certain districts /rant

Before anyone busts on me about what teachers have to put up with, etc. I'm a certified elementary school teacher so don't even try to go down that road.

 

[Rykus]

I thought you were going to home-school your kids? At least that's what I recall from a while back. Change your mind, or was that someone else?

 

[Guest]

IM confused on your topic of discussion, are you saying our school systems are poor and most (key word is most not all) teachers just dont care enough because they generally think they dont get paid enough?

If thats the case, thats what i hate about our school systems, the gifted children are not given enough attention so they suffer.

And the not so gifted children do not get enough attention.

This is the travesty i see with US school systems.

 

[Guest]

I do think my oldest needs a small, patient, organized environment that you aren't going to see in a regular school environment but this rant is about speech services that she is eligible for through the school system at her age (thanks to FAPE) by a trained specialist, something I am in no way qualified to provide her


Grot took off today to take Kayla to one appointment just so I could attend this meeting with the speech pathologist only to wait 20 minutes and for her not to show and the secretaries in the front office in their usual manner were IN capable of getting off their rears (dealt with these fine folks at least 2 other times) to help track her down.

 

[imported_Goron]

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I'm a certified elementary school teacher so don't even try to go down that road.

[/ QUOTE ]Theres no such thing in Georgia
You dont even need a college education to be an elementary school teacher there...
My gf is a second grade teacher. She makes half the money I do and works twice as hard, no joke.

 

[Guest]

That's the problem with "no child left behind" or any of the minimum-skills legislation. You are always teaching to the stupid kids - only.

Instead, we should have legislation that mandates that 30% of all kids fail every year! Those that fail 3x in a row should be booted from school permanently and given a burger-flipping job.

That and more school funding.

In the current environment, however, there's no friggin way to get enough money into the schools to allow the smart kids to do well. If I ever have kids (unlikely) they aren't going to public school!

 

[Masumatek]

Maybe if we didn't spend 440 billion on defense (I think that's the defense budget now?) and who knows how much on wars like Iraq, we'd have money for other things:/.

 

[Guest]

I think the whole school system should be revised. What and the way children are taught should be completely altered if you ask me. As it is now the focus on American k-12 education is memorization and regurgitation to assure that schools can maintain high test score, when it should be focused on actual understanding of the concepts.

But thats really cultural. There is an emphasis on achievement rather than knowledge.

 

[Guest]

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Maybe if we didn't spend 440 billion on defense (I think that's the defense budget now?) and who knows how much on wars like Iraq, we'd have money for other things:/.

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Look Bush tricked you into thinking we spend 440 billion in defense.... its 440 billion in offense.

 

[imported_Goron]

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Maybe if we didn't spend 440 billion on defense (I think that's the defense budget now?) and who knows how much on wars like Iraq, we'd have money for other things:/.

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I listened to some of the iowa debate on npr durin lunchy, they said 500billion/yr.

 

[Rykus]

If only the government saw stupidity and ignorance a threat to national security or a form of terrorism....

 

[Masumatek]

Ya I've heard 500 billion a year too but after doing some limited research I saw 440 billion, so I'm not sure. Either way, that's a ton of money.

 

[Guest]

The US gross domestic product is ~$11 trillion/year, so $500 billion is ~5% of the total US economy!

I don't like the idea that $0.05 out of every dollar I earn or use is going down the drain that way.

 

[Masumatek]

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Maybe if we didn't spend 440 billion on defense (I think that's the defense budget now?) and who knows how much on wars like Iraq, we'd have money for other things:/.

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Look Bush tricked you into thinking we spend 440 billion in defense.... its 440 billion in offense.

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Nope. Our defense budget does not include wars I don't think. Iraq is separate. I think we've already spent over 450 billion on the current Iraq war and I read that some estimate we will spend 2 trillion all things considered, including future healthcare for soldiers and such. Lord knows they're gonna need it...if the depleted uranium and other [censored] is affecting the Iraqis it's gonna be affecting our own boys too.

 

[Tark_Smash]

*Fun Facts*


It is difficult to visualize just how many dollars there are in $1 billion. The politicians who are spending fortunes in government money make it sound as though they are dealing in smaller numbers by removing quite a few digits. For example, Bush's budget deficit, which at the time of this writing is $422,000,000,000 is more simply stated as $422 billion.

To put it in a different perspective, a billion is a thousand million.

To place it in a better perspective, a billion seconds ago, it was the year 1959.

Humans first learned to write 252 billion seconds ago.

A billion minutes ago, Jesus was alive.

A billion hours ago, our ancestors were living in the Stone Age.

A billion dollars ago was only 8 hours and 20 minutes, at the rate Washington spends it.

 

[Guest]

to get back on tract,

Privatize the school system , using the voucher idea, competition creates better service, yes school is a service.

 

[Nerf-Herder]

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That's the problem with "no child left behind" or any of the minimum-skills legislation. You are always teaching to the stupid kids - only.


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Yup. Some people need to realize that having a piece of paper does not make you intelligent, nor does it mean that you really know what that title would suggest you are supposed to know.

Need proof? Look at our current President. He may be a nice guy, but he sure as heck isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer. Ivy league 4TW!

I am reminded of a quote from "The Wizard of Oz"-- "I can't give you a brain, but I CAN give you this diploma!"


About public schools. I didn't realize how bad it was until I started getting into it myself. I changed course and went into private instruction. My kid sister and many of my teacher friends work for public schools, and they constantly complain about all kinds of basic things that really should not be issues.

Most of the problem is the bureaucracy. So much money is wasted by paying middle-men full salaries for doing very little work and having very little impact. The important things are ultimately passed from person to person until they are finally handled by the teachers... and usually handled in their free time.

That's more of my personal view. Politically, I do not think it is the place of government to directly oversee the education of our kids. That is the responisibility of the parents and the local community. In my opinion, it is not fair to tax people who choose not to have kids in order to pay for some other peoples little brats to learn arithmetic.

Private schooling is the way to go. It may seem expensive to you parents out there, but consider this: How much money do you currently pay through taxes to send your kids to school? If that money were to be in your pocket, I bet most of you could easily afford many private schools.

The teachers at private schools are often much more specialized than the ones at public schools too (especially as you get into high schools). Many of us have earned advanced degrees specific to the field in which we teach instead of pursuing a degree in general education and MAYBE doing a minor in your target subject.

Parents who directly pay for the education of their children are also far more likely to be "hands-on" and actively participate and even volunteer their time. More active parents produce fewer juvenile delinquents.

I could go on and on, but instead, I am going to double check that I still have my voters registration, and dream of this coming November.

EDIT:Couple of stooplar grammAr errorz and teh typ0ss!

 

[Guest]

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EDIT:Couple of stooplar grammAr errorz and teh typ0ss!

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yea, It's hard to leave spelling errors in a thread about education.

 

[Guest]

I agree Dola. It all depends on districts. but even how the system is set up, a great teacher shouldn't be forced to basically recite information that the state has told them to teach, they need to be allowed enough elbow room to be able to really teach children something other than just facts and how to pass test.

I can't complain because all the schools i've gone to for public education were really nice but its sad to see how some subjects are taught in public schools.

 

[Nerf-Herder]

Much of that problem GoodGuy is the length of the process to get updated material in the classroom. It takes years for various decision makers and the school board itself to approve any changes, and then they have to wait until most of the current books are in bad enough shape to justify spending money on replacing them with new books.

Many private school students must purchase their books each year and then have the option of keeping them or trading them in for credit (much like a university). This means that the curriculum can be updated every single year that THE SCHOOL ITSELF feels it is needed (they do not have to wait for some lame ass school board full of wannabe politicians to approve of the decision).

 

[imported_Goron]

(replyiong to last for my conenience)

Well... One of my teamates in college was from israel, just going to school in US for scholarship and sport (oh yeah, and education).
Years ago, I asked him "What do you think about the US being in Iraq"
He responded "Are you serious? You don't know?" with a very questioning look on his face
I, confused, not sure what I was supposed to think, said "yeah, what?"
He responded with this simple line: "Before you were in Iraq we walked around carrying a gas mask. Now we don't."

Keep in mind, that the US presence in Iraq has helped to stablize the region beyond just iraq... Your 5 cents of every dollar (btw according to cia world fact book us GDP was 13trillion in 2005) is ultimately benefiting that entire region of the world beyond the ways you think.

 

[Guest]

How about we IGNORE iraq so we can allow this thread to continue. because there are 1000's of arugments i could bring up and i actualy want to see this thread go somewhere instead of crashign and burning

 

[Guest]

I hate to say it but I think I'm going to have to agree with GG on this one, the whole business of our defense/offense, military, etc etc is a very heated topic that I just rather not get into right now especially when the love of my life is a Marine

As far as public education there is a lot that can be said good and bad and it can vary greatly even within a district especially the large ones such as L.A.'s or New York City's district. When all is said and done though the biggest single controllable factor in a child's education, is parent involvement, even in the worst school districts, there are students that shine, a testament no doubt to involved parents.

That said, I still need to reschedule our daughter's IEP meeting since the speech pathologist wrote the meeting time down wrong in her book (grrr)

 

[imported_Goron]

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How about we IGNORE iraq so we can allow this thread to continue. because there are 1000's of arugments i could bring up and i actualy want to see this thread go somewhere instead of crashign and burning

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I have just as much to say about the american education system as I do about Iraq...

I think it is just as off topic from UO and unimportant to this forum.
I honestly think this thread should have been locked a long time ago and would completely support it being locked right now.

Don't tell me to stay 'on topic' about an off topic post.

 

[Guest]

ohh come now, i wasnt trying at all to be offensive and end just what you were saying, i was replying to everybody in general who is talking about military spendings when other points could be made about public eduction.

Heres a question, should it be up to the parents to find their children a good school? Have schools come to the point where you can't expect to move into a low or middle income housing area and have access to good schools?

in some countries students take trips for hours to get to school both ways and which in a way makes them realize there is a real importance for their entire life put on how educated they are. and they understand this from a much younger age.

All the standardized testing it makes kids feel like school is meaningless because nobody is getting pressure put on them to excelle rather than just learn enough to get by.

Plus with all the distractions now a days kids get easily lost in their own worlds that are changing every decade and impossible to keep up with in order to relate to kids about what they think and to know best how to educate them. Every kid is NOT the same, and speacil cases need speacil treatment and when i say speacil i mean from learning disabilities to great learning abilities. Cause for every kid that doesn't understand a question, there is a kid who already knows the answer and needs an answer to another question, but you gotta slow down to not leave any child behind.

 

[Guest]

I think parental involment is pretty crucial. Oft nowadays there are just too many parents that basically are *warehousing* their kids and not actively participating in anything with the schools.

Bureaucracy is also suffocating the system. They seem to care more about how many pass their sats or acts by what numbers almost forcing some teachers to teach their students more like robots x amt of kids must have this score to make our school look good and thus yu must DO this cirriculum period no time to ad lib get to know their students or to even see if the kids are falling asleep, bored, lost in the pace, or whatevers because they are to MAKE IT WORK, so the school looks good here are your lessons &amp; do not deviate from 'see the brown cow how now brown cow' for reading ... and etc. My own new daughter in law and many of her teaching peers at the elementary school they work at are becoming fed up with *the system* suffocating teaching and thus learning.

When my kids were small first grade the public school began this new program there *in Wisconsin* called 'mastery of learning'. It was such a horrid program to the degree kids had to lift their pencils in unison even to write anything...as if they were robots. These first graders were *cracking* they are not robots nor machines nor some dog to bark commands to for them to do tricks in unison. My kids were removed from the public schools back then and we put em in private to avoid this *mastery of learning* especially when first graders about tried to committ suicide ... 6 yr olds are not things...they are oft vibrate lil people eager to learn unless some system turns learning into a living nightmare of forced unified movement thinking and doing like they are machines..never once caring about if they learn nor how...only that the system said this is GOOD this is what you will teach and how..period. *and that sucks*

Teaching is wonderful. Learning is wonderful...if it is kept attentive and vibrant and capable to work with the students as they are some slower some faster some wiggling all over some quiet some boisterous some just want to learn and have fun doing so...till we create some system that suffocates the urge to even wish to learn at all.

And many a parent oft does not participate in anything their own kids do or attend be it their pta meetings, or bringing treats if permitted for school holidays or plays or anything, they barely ask their own kid...some of em ..did ya do your homework ? Anything I can help ya with like taking you to library to help ya for your science project ?

*also priorities in this country are weird* We pay our nfl players for a mere example way more than we permit any pay for our teachers, sure they pro ball players actors singers all entertain us...but isn't teaching us all of us thru our formative years far more important ?

 

[Guest]

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*also priorities in this country are weird* We pay our nfl players for a mere example way more than we permit any pay for our teachers, sure they pro ball players actors singers all entertain us...but isn't teaching us all of us thru our formative years far more important ?

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QFMFT!!

 

[Guest]

*gives Dola a hug*

I can still remember some of the trials and tribulations we went thru with our kids.. and or teachers or the school or *the system*.

Let's see ah yes first time was a teacher telling me my kid HAD to be dyslexic cuz she was printing her L's, 4's, 7's backwards. I knew my kid but that aside I said...well for one she is a lefty.. and two she is very creative, have you asked her to make her L's 4's and 7's the way you want her to make them ie they *correct way* or ya just happen to see her doodling em backwards cuz she loves doing them that way ? She does that all the time but she CAN do em the way we are supposed to make em..just ask her... oh nooo she MUST BE dyslexic... I go HAVE YU asked her to make em the *proper* way ? ummm nooo...
I said well TRY THAT betcha u see her make em all the way that you want her to DO em. Well she did em the *proper way* saying oh ..your way..ok and did em perfectly. To wit I just laughed and said.......if she WAS dyslexic she could not DO those at all according to your discription of dyslexic sooo um she is not, she is creative and a lefty she loves making em backwards maybe she is anti establishment like her momma but she CAN make em proper like and she just showed ya she could DO that didnt she ? !

Then there was the one that felt my youngest had a speech impediment..till the principal told him...she from up north she is a yankee kindergardener now in the deep south she has no issues she just talks funny like she born up north.

And that was all that it was, a lil yankee girl in Mississippi kindergarden, but that was pretty comic at the time.

The system wanted to put our son on Ridalin at age 6... luckily our pediatrician said not neccessary..the system at school was insisting ..it became the rage in thing at that time every kid was too active couldnt focus could not concentrate so tell all the parents to get their kids on Ridalin. WE REFUSED and so did our pediatrician...now years later they know they OVERDOESED hundreds of kids that should never have been put on that drug. . and we are very glad we refused it was new stuff at that time, sounded more to me like turning my lil boy into some drugged zombie I would have removed him to private school or something anything before making him have to take drugs at 6. The doctor had us remove sugars white flour etc and that was it all that was needed to calm that one down over smart bored with what they were teachin him anyhow back then too slow for him.

soooooooooooooooooo I guess I am glad I always pay attention to my own kids needs or to know them, and sort of not into whatever the system thinks is the right IN thing atm to teach or use on our children for ..educating them. The system can be correct or flat out so off the wall wrong they can do our kids lots of harm if we as parents do not pay attention to what they say/think or feel that...our kids may *need.*

Get kayla what she needs and make sure yu keep fussin for it...for her !

or NOT accept ..whichever ya need to do that is best for her.

 

[Nerf-Herder]

Heh, I am also left-handed, and had a bit of a handwriting problem that I didn't discover until I got to college. The music theory stuff that I knew before then was all self-taught, so I never noticed that my handedness was making me write my treble clefs backwards.

I actually spent a little extra time writing them the proper way once it was pointed out to me by one of my teachers.

I felt like such a noob.

 

[imported_mo'gluk]

did she gank ya with a rune beetle if not she ain't doin her job....

 

[Guest]

OH so you are a lefty too huh ? Well now that explains your..um uniqueness ! HAHA

My Lisa could do the treble clef backwards too with ease. She played clarinet in hs. Heck I even tried it and couldnt quite GET IT to make that backwards but then.. ima righty. lol

*still remembers searching the world over for first grader lefty scissors* haha

 

[Nerf-Herder]

Hmmmmmm...

Not a bad idea Mo. I have had at least a few students over the years that I wouldn't mind threatening with a Bake/Beetle combo!

 

[Nerf-Herder]

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*still remembers searching the world over for first grader lefty scissors* haha

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Ya know, if left unchecked, stuff like that can build and eventually cause a lefty to grab a rifle and climb a tall tower.

I remember telling my pre-school teacher that my scissors were broken lol.

 

[Guest]

heck I do not even remember there even existing nor BEING any lefty scissors for lil kids when I was a kid.

I think lefty scissors finally came around to more of a visable existance with the parental units and schools and teachers of the 'yuppie generation' ie 70s or so.

STILL ya find oft it is still a hard time finding those lefty scissors, hand tools, hand can openers for lefties, even crochet books and needles for leftys, even nowadays. I guess they probably just do not make enough of them, in a primarily right handed world or whatevers.

 

[Masumatek]

Benefiting...who? Not our soldiers...not our people....not the Iraqis. We're supposed to go to war to benefit Israel?

 

[Guest]

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*also priorities in this country are weird* We pay our nfl players for a mere example way more than we permit any pay for our teachers, sure they pro ball players actors singers all entertain us...but isn't teaching us all of us thru our formative years far more important ?


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Poor education + free market = entertainment &gt; anything else.

 

[Spree]

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How about we IGNORE iraq so we can allow this thread to continue. because there are 1000's of arugments i could bring up and i actualy want to see this thread go somewhere instead of crashign and burning

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Or you could just pull the lever for Ron Paul.

 

[Guest]

T, I agree with you on just about everything, but this one sentence raised a red flag:

"In my opinion, it is not fair to tax people who choose not to have kids in order to pay for some other peoples little brats to learn arithmetic. "

You are, of course, correct. It's not fair. But the tax system exists (in theory) to allow (our) government to mold the society into a better one. I've no kids and hate that my property taxes are so high - mostly to pay for my neighbor's kid's education. However, I'd hate it if those kids were dumb-as-[censored] dropouts even more.

That said, I'd sure like to see the education system work better. "No child left behind" is a simply incredibly idiotic way to waste scarce education resources on the stupidest kids while neglecting those that could become doctors, scientists, entrepreneurs.

As a kid in Texas, they had the annual Texas Assessment of Minimal Skills tests (or something like that), which was essentially the same thing. A method to pressure teachers based on the number of stupid (or poorly educated) kids in their classes.

The simple fact is that some people are too stupid to learn, and focusing more resources on them is a waste. Unfortunately, a politician can never say it like that.

 

[Grot]

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"In my opinion, it is not fair to tax people who choose not to have kids in order to pay for some other peoples little brats to learn arithmetic. "

You are, of course, correct. It's not fair. But the tax system exists (in theory) to allow (our) government to mold the society into a better one. I've no kids and hate that my property taxes are so high - mostly to pay for my neighbor's kid's education. However, I'd hate it if those kids were dumb-as-[censored] dropouts even more.


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T, Do you know how much more society would pay for drop outs if we didn't educate them, lets see there is medicade, welfare, unemployment, food stamps, hmmm, I could go on but if you think all the taxes we pay now are high imagine having to support even more people that are unable to support themselves because they lack the education.


and I found this on yahoo this morning, timing couldn't have been much better
Where school rules!
-- Dola, ignore the sig and sign-in name, this is what I get for posting on his computer

 

[Nerf-Herder]

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"In my opinion, it is not fair to tax people who choose not to have kids in order to pay for some other peoples little brats to learn arithmetic. "

You are, of course, correct. It's not fair. But the tax system exists (in theory) to allow (our) government to mold the society into a better one. I've no kids and hate that my property taxes are so high - mostly to pay for my neighbor's kid's education. However, I'd hate it if those kids were dumb-as-[censored] dropouts even more.


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QFT
T, Do you know how much more society would pay for drop outs if we didn't educate them, lets see there is medicade, welfare, unemployment, food stamps, hmmm, I could go on but if you think all the taxes we pay now are high imagine having to support even more people that are unable to support themselves because they lack the education.


and I found this on yahoo this morning, timing couldn't have been much better
Where school rules!
-- Dola, ignore the sig and sign-in name, this is what I get for posting on his computer

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...but I don't think the government should be taxing people to pay for that crap either. America should not be a welfare state.

 

[Guest]

I'm all for less taxation and people supporting themselves but sometimes through circumstances the individual had no control or knowledge of comming happens and they get knocked off their feet, if we don't help these people them crime would be worse then it is now, a lot worse because people do stupid things when they are desperate.

Take for instance 9/11, many MANY people, including me was affected by 9/11, the company I worked for made most of their income from organizing IT conferences, they lost that income when people couldn't or would travel post 9/11 and there were massive layoffs (including yours truly), now I paid into all these taxes for a time like that, what if for me and many like me that wasn't there, where would I be today? Where would our society be today?

Sometimes things happen through no fault of our own and we need a little help getting back on our feet. Now, comes the difficult part do you not help them, what shame but to bad your own your own or do you help them, if you help them, who do decide is worthy of a little extra help and who isn't? It can't be esoterical(sp?) standard, oh he's a good guy and I can tell he's a hard worker so he get help but the next girl in line no, I can tell she's just being lazy and snotty by not taking on 2 waitressing jobs to make ends meet so she won't get help. The government here's clear defined benchmarks as to what is eligible and what isn't and now with that the standards can never be perfect so you help people not worthy and those that are worthy don't always get help but thats what it is, and that is more or less what we have today and every year politicians do their darnest to come up with standards based on their own personal values, it's not easy but its what we have.

 

[Guest]

"...but I don't think the government should be taxing people to pay for that crap either. America should not be a welfare state."

America isn't a welfare state. Go to Europe, those are real welfare states. Laziness is an art form there. Their economies suffer, but then again, the people are clearly much better off than ours are - except for the very wealthy.

The more important problem is avoiding the downside of having a large, uneducated lower class of people. Downsides that include crime, poverty, war, death, disease.

Education is the best and cheapest solution, but the current politicians don't advocate making education worthwhile to people by improving the quality and focusing it on those that can use it best.

 

[imported_BlacK RaiN]

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That's the problem with "no child left behind" or any of the minimum-skills legislation. You are always teaching to the stupid kids - only.

Instead, we should have legislation that mandates that 30% of all kids fail every year! Those that fail 3x in a row should be booted from school permanently and given a burger-flipping job.

That and more school funding.

In the current environment, however, there's no friggin way to get enough money into the schools to allow the smart kids to do well. If I ever have kids (unlikely) they aren't going to public school!

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My sister just turned 12 and she's in the 9th grade. She's been completely bilingual since age 5 (spanish &amp; english.) and attended public school in the middle of a rural area. At age 8 she received a 145 IQ rating (highest in the county's history) and has since been moved to a school that specializes in accelerated learning. A much needed improvement as she was suffering socially being singled out amongst her peers for even tutoring them in how to do their own work.

The public school system is tailored to the average child. Private schools still work wonders if your looking at a more traditional type of schooling.... I'm a product of this too... I fell through highschool... it wasn't until college that I was really challenged and by that point, college doesn't have the same social pitfalls prison or should I say, our primary school system succumbs to.

 

[imported_Goron]

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Benefiting...who? Not our soldiers...not our people....not the Iraqis. We're supposed to go to war to benefit Israel?

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Thats right, only think of yourself and those immediatly around you. I suppose you also don't realize that there are genocides taking place in half a dozen places around the world right now? And even then, why care? it doesn't affect "our soldiers...not our people."

 

[imported_the_slave_revolt]

Speaking as a college student, I did not realize just how horrible the public school system was. My highschool actually is ranked average, but once I got to college I found a huge gap in what I knew and what my proffessors expected me to know. I suppose if I was not an engineering student, then I would have had an easier struggle. I do not know if anyone can relate to me on what I have spoken, but I found myself just trying to find the answers to problems and not understanding the problems. (until I got to college)

 

[Guest]

Exactly. As a professor of chemistry and electrical engineering, I can say that this is a very common problem.

The main reason we have to import so many russian and chinese scientists and engineers is that we can't produce them here.

 

[imported_BlacK RaiN]

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Speaking as a college student, I did not realize just how horrible the public school system was. My highschool actually is ranked average, but once I got to college I found a huge gap in what I knew and what my proffessors expected me to know. I suppose if I was not an engineering student, then I would have had an easier struggle. I do not know if anyone can relate to me on what I have spoken, but I found myself just trying to find the answers to problems and not understanding the problems. (until I got to college)

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I just finished my degree in chemistry and can relate... just keep on keeping on I guess?

 

[imported_the_slave_revolt]

I recently pulled a series of "all-nighters", and shortly after taking each exam I had a huge feeling great accomplishment. Even if I do not get the grade required to advance each of my classes, I have pride from all the hard work I put into what I have done. That is a feeling, I never had each year I attended a "public school".

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Exactly. As a professor of chemistry and electrical engineering, I can say that this is a very common problem.

The main reason we have to import so many russian and chinese scientists and engineers is that we can't produce them here.


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I guess I could go to you for help with Three Phase, Delta to Wye

, my proffessor her english was horrible at best. She constantly quoted the textbook problems as "he" (Which threw me off for the first month)

 

[pikon198]

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Here in the U.S. it just really REALLY sucks some days, particularly in certain districts /rant

Before anyone busts on me about what teachers have to put up with, etc. I'm a certified elementary school teacher so don't even try to go down that road.

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Depends where you teach really. I remember i had to teach 6th graders religion back in high skool as a senior elective. Most of them were alright, but i had this one hispanic kid who was trouble, and once he started trouble everyone else joined in. One time he hit me with one of the meter sticks and broke it on my thigh, so i grabbed the thick teachers edition texts and chucked it at him as he was running away. Stupid kid got nailed in the back and started crying. I told the whole class to point and laugh or they all would fail lol. After that i didnt have much trouble. Every time he started i reminded him if he wanted me to make him cry in front of the while class again. For a brown skinned kid he turned pretty red every time i told him that lol. ****n kids!

Anyways i know your not suppose to hit the children, cause it can get you in trouble, but what ever happened to the good old days when nuns would beat you until your diciplined. If teachers could beat the kids they would be garanteed to learn better.

 

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