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Llewen

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Then quit basing your value around comparisons to other players.
If you believe that enhancing somehow makes you win the game, then you've completely misunderstood what UO is about.
It's not about "winning" the game. It's about a sense of accomplishment. "Pay to win" is a figure of speech that you understand perfectly, so I'm not going to waste my time explaining it to you.

When a goal requires effort and planning to reach you gain a sense of accomplishment when you reach that goal. However, when you can reach that goal far quicker using a cheap gimmick, which is what that tool is, then that effort ceases to form the basis for a sense of accomplishment, it simply becomes a waste of time.

That is exactly what scripting and duping does as well. I could invest the hours practising to gain the skill necessary to heal through the concerted attacks of multiple opponents, or perhaps timing a devastating combination of attacks to gain a kill as a dexxer. But when I see someone who simply fires up a script that allows them to do the same thing, or better, with far less practice, that sense of accomplishment and satisfaction that I might have gained is replaced with a realization that the time I spent practising and honing my skills, was wasted.

It's basic human psychology. A sense of accomplishment always entails some kind of comparison. If you have nothing to compare to, then you have no way of measuring whether you have performed a task well. Games are intrinsically competitive, and pvp specifically in UO is highly competitive, it's all about doing better than someone else. To claim otherwise is ridiculous. And putting together a "suit" that allows you to compete at a high level is a part of that competitive process.
 

Cogniac

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It seems that everyone in this thread is against the Forged Metal Tool being sold at UOGameCodes.com; repeated exclamations that this amounts to "pay to win."

Personally, I'm against the Forged Metal Tool's very existence - at all.

People always complained that crafting was all but dead because items never decayed. The devs knew that if they just up and made it so that all existing items start decaying, there would be a mass revolt and exodus from the game.

So they came up with Imbuing, which was meant to be a compromise: Imbue items that are exactly, perfectly what you want with the knowledge that they will need to be replaced, or wait for years and years for almost, sort of exactly what you want to spawn on a corpse somewhere, and then hope that the 90-95% chance of breakage doesn't kick in when you try to enhance it.

The existence of an item that gives you a 100% chance to enhance things brings us a step closer to the ability to have exactly, perfectly what you want in an item that never breaks, which completely defeats the purpose of Imbuing.
 

Heimi

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As far as the tool goes, I love it. A few weeks ago I made a suit for my Gargoyle and needed HPR and MR on each piece. It took about 180 seeds of renewal with failures on top of the other resources. This was for four pieces. Now honestly I consider myself lucky it only took 180 seeds, it could have been worse.
Why would you even enhance a suit for a gargoyle? Can you alter woodland armour or something because this sounds pretty wasteful and unnecessary.
 

Podolak

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Why would you even enhance a suit for a gargoyle? Can you alter woodland armour or something because this sounds pretty wasteful and unnecessary.
Eeking out every last resist so I can put more mods elsewhere. I can post the finished suit with arties in another forum if you'd like. Its non-faction and uses altered night eyes glasses or wizard crystal glasses and the pendent of the magi (so zero resists).

It seems that everyone in this thread is against the Forged Metal Tool being sold at UOGameCodes.com
Almost everyone perhaps, I am not against it.
 
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Trebr Drab

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As far as the tool goes, I love it. A few weeks ago I made a suit for my Gargoyle and needed HPR and MR on each piece. It took about 180 seeds of renewal with failures on top of the other resources. This was for four pieces. Now honestly I consider myself lucky it only took 180 seeds, it could have been worse.
Why would you even enhance a suit for a gargoyle? Can you alter woodland armour or something because this sounds pretty wasteful and unnecessary.
Why would you even enhance a suit for a gargoyle? Can you alter woodland armour or something because this sounds pretty wasteful and unnecessary.
Eeking out every last resist so I can put more mods elsewhere. I can post the finished suit with arties in another forum if you'd like. Its non-faction and uses altered night eyes glasses or wizard crystal glasses and the pendent of the magi (so zero resists).

It seems that everyone in this thread is against the Forged Metal Tool being sold at UOGameCodes.com
Almost everyone perhaps, I am not against it.
And those who don't pay for the tool, or don't pay another player for the tool or the use, either have to pay much more in-game in time/gold to get this.

Classic "Pay To Win".

And there will be more. If all this is fine with you, dear reader, then I'm fine with your fine. Just understand where UO is going with this. You'll pay more or you'll do with less.
 

Podolak

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I am! I think you were my best customer :)
I am still stock piling those ingredients so keep loading it up. I will never run out of suits to make, the curse of playing on multiple shards...
 

Ox AO

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This game has to evolve and, failing all attempts to attract new players, something has to be done to keep existing players.

Doing something without thinking is almost always worse then not doing something.
This is true in all things including real life.


In this case this item lowers the base economy in the game which most of it was with imbuing ingredients. You lower the economy new and existing average players have less to farm for in game player gold. If there is less gold traded less interaction takes place which makes for a duller game for everyone.

Yes, there are other things to farm but why destroy good strong markets that are working.
 

Ox AO

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Just understand where UO is going with this. You'll pay more or you'll do with less.
May I change that a little:

You'll pay more AND you'll do less.



meaning:
you'll pay directly or indirectly more to EA games and you'll do less in game farming and trading.
 

Chardonnay

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And you have no access to that data, so any speculation you may try to foist off as "fact" would indeed be a lie...
It's called common sense and use the internet...

http://www.industrygamers.com/news/...-online-warhammer-and-working-with-bioware/1/

http://www.mmogchart.com/Chart2.html

How's that for a "lie"?

By the way in case you wanna say these are bull**** they take the revenue to figure out the subscriptions and let's pretend they are counting the items sold on uogametimecodes.com...then that would make make the subscription numbers even lower...

BTW, how's that for a "lie"?

I mean the common sense comes into play when it's more than obvious when you run around the dead servers compared to back in the early 2000's (not unless you count everyone transferring to Atlantic and leaving the other servers populated)...any one with eyes in their head can see server populations have dropped considerable since the early 2000's...but i caught how you tried to call me a liar though...
 
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Coppelia

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According to the known curves, it's under 100k. If it's still 80k it's cool. Then you divide by the average number of accounts per player, which seems more than 2 from the poll done here. You quickly realize that if they want to do good business, they should merge shards to lower the costs.

If you believe that the money from the enhancing tool is going to allow more content to be created, you are delusional. Even if 10k players buy it, the 100k will go to EA's investors' pockets. EA will say to the skeleton crew "Ok we continue like that, it works" and that's all.

In fact when I read Unified writing it's good business, I'm hearing Lord Cuttlerbecket's line "It's just good business" in POTC, ie we try to screw each other with all our rage and the best will win. I don't feel in a win-win kind of trade.

EA isn't a charitable organization, I don't feel like giving more money to the game by using game codes. I know it's a lie, I know it doesn't give money to the game. It doesn't work like that.
If EA isn't able to invest enough money into UO to give us quality content, I don't want to pay more and more for the same game, walking more and more on the head. If UO's gonna be a game for a few rich players, then I'm out. It may be the solution for EA. Too bad, it isn't a solution for me, I admit it and I leave.
 

Chardonnay

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According to the known curves, it's under 100k. If it's still 80k it's cool. Then you divide by the average number of accounts per player, which seems more than 2 from the poll done here. You quickly realize that if they want to do good business, they should merge shards to lower the costs.

If you believe that the money from the enhancing tool is going to allow more content to be created, you are delusional. Even if 10k players buy it, the 100k will go to EA's investors' pockets. EA will say to the skeleton crew "Ok we continue like that, it works" and that's all.

In fact when I read Unified writing it's good business, I'm hearing Lord Cuttlerbecket's line "It's just good business" in POTC, ie we try to screw each other with all our rage and the best will win. I don't feel in a win-win kind of trade.

EA isn't a charitable organization, I don't feel like giving more money to the game by using game codes. I know it's a lie, I know it doesn't give money to the game. It doesn't work like that.
If EA isn't able to invest enough money into UO to give us quality content, I don't want to pay more and more for the same game, walking more and more on the head. If UO's gonna be a game for a few rich players, then I'm out. It may be the solution for EA. Too bad, it isn't a solution for me, I admit it and I leave.
And what's even more sad is probably 25% of those subscribers are Japanese...so what's that put us at for subscription totals again?
 

HD2300

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Doing something without thinking is almost always worse then not doing something.
This is true in all things including real life.


In this case this item lowers the base economy in the game which most of it was with imbuing ingredients. You lower the economy new and existing average players have less to farm for in game player gold. If there is less gold traded less interaction takes place which makes for a duller game for everyone.

Yes, there are other things to farm but why destroy good strong markets that are working.
Less demand for imbuing/imbuing items -> Less demand for PvM/PvE -> Kill PvE end game
vs
Balancing PvP + Extra Short Term Profits

For the record, Draconi has posted recently assume that the subscriptions are 60k.
 

NuSair

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Have you not read the crafters forums? Players have talked a lot about enhancing and how difficult it is, and costly. Yet they still try. So you'll be one who is doing all that, and there will be others in the game who will just buy this tool and have it.

Do you understand what you can make with Imbuing, then enhancing? It's top of the line stuff, tailored to your needs. And this makes it automatic. IF YOU BUY.

But hell, I didn't like AoS and Imbuing and all the item crap anyways.
Already with imbueing you can get right at the top. My tamers current suit is all 70's (75 energy), 100 LRC, 40 LMC, +25 HPS, +52 mana, 21 mana regen, 45 DCI and who knows what else.

I would argue that more resources would be sold because there will be people that wasn't going to imbue/enchance method (count me in that camp) that will now BECAUSE of this.

And it really doesn't help the woodland heartwood suits all that much, because you have to keep making the pieces until you get HCI/DI. You are still talking about going through a number of pieces.

People need to step back and really take a look instead of jumping the gun like they usually do.
 

Llewen

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It's called common sense and use the internet...
First off, that article is hardly an authoritative source for subscription numbers. EA doesn't release those numbers, so that is also speculation. Of course it's down from it's peak many years ago, but anyone who tries to pass off some number as "fact" for subscription numbers, is lying. We don't know, you don't know, and I very much doubt Mr. David Radd knows either. It's a guess. It may or may not be a good guess, but it's a guess.

Beyond that, you never have anything positive to post, so the moment I read anything you post, or any claims you make, I can pretty much assume that even if it is based on something real, it will be put in the most negative context possible, and therefore is pretty much worthless. Once I start reading posts submitted by you with some form of balance, maybe I'll start taking anything you have to say a little more seriously...
 

Ox AO

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Less demand for imbuing/imbuing items -> Less demand for PvM/PvE -> Kill PvE end game
vs
Balancing PvP + Extra Short Term Profits

For the record, Draconi has posted recently assume that the subscriptions are 60k.

No enhanced imbuing item should be as good as PvP items. This shouldn't in theory effect PvP.. I know it does but it shouldn't.
 

Llewen

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NuSair

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Now for $9.95 on thier web site they are just handing this to any player to accomplish with very litle effort at all. Am I pissed you bet, whats the challenge in this game if its just handed to you on a money platter.

I guess I have been playing to long, the best and most enjoyable times were when we had tons of players and the game was more skill based then item based. Even siege has been affected by all the changes. I'm just hoping they come out with a pre gen server to play on at this point.

Sorry for the rant, I don't normally complain much on these boards like some,
but I felt I had to mention something after reading about thier new products for sale.
Let me explain it this way.... NOTHING has been cheapened for the people that did the imbue/enchance of the heartwood wood armor.

Who in their right mind would enchance the wood armor with heartwood using this tool? you are still talking about a 1 in 7 chance of getting the mod you want. It is quite possible that you could use all 10 charges of one and still NOT get it.

Really, step back and think about it.
 

Tjalle

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Then quit basing your value around comparisons to other players.
If you believe that enhancing somehow makes you win the game, then you've completely misunderstood what UO is about.
It's not about "winning" the game. It's about a sense of accomplishment. "Pay to win" is a figure of speech that you understand perfectly, so I'm not going to waste my time explaining it to you.

When a goal requires effort and planning to reach you gain a sense of accomplishment when you reach that goal. However, when you can reach that goal far quicker using a cheap gimmick, which is what that tool is, then that effort ceases to form the basis for a sense of accomplishment, it simply becomes a waste of time.

That is exactly what scripting and duping does as well. I could invest the hours practising to gain the skill necessary to heal through the concerted attacks of multiple opponents, or perhaps timing a devastating combination of attacks to gain a kill as a dexxer. But when I see someone who simply fires up a script that allows them to do the same thing, or better, with far less practice, that sense of accomplishment and satisfaction that I might have gained is replaced with a realization that the time I spent practising and honing my skills, was wasted.

It's basic human psychology. A sense of accomplishment always entails some kind of comparison. If you have nothing to compare to, then you have no way of measuring whether you have performed a task well. Games are intrinsically competitive, and pvp specifically in UO is highly competitive, it's all about doing better than someone else. To claim otherwise is ridiculous. And putting together a "suit" that allows you to compete at a high level is a part of that competitive process.
Well said!
 
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Trebr Drab

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Who in their right mind would enchance the wood armor with heartwood using this tool? you are still talking about a 1 in 7 chance of getting the mod you want. It is quite possible that you could use all 10 charges of one and still NOT get it.

Really, step back and think about it.
Just turn around and shell out another $10 and give 'er another go.

Pay to Win Baby! Pay to WINNNN!
 

Gheed

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Almost everyone perhaps, I am not against it.

I am! I think you were my best customer :)

These statements say it all right there. The economy (in game interaction) is going to get kicked in the nuts.
Just to insert my opinion here. I don't really want to capitalize on someone else's misfortune. If he's imbuing items with goods from my shop. Then trying to enhance them and they are breaking, then I don't mind that he is using this new item to keep that from happening. I've never really ran out of things to sell you see. Imbuing mats will still be very popular.

I don't care for this tool for a few other reasons. The main one being the standard its sets in making normal game play a chore then selling you an easy button. It is a cheap game of cat and mouse with your wallet.

Second reason is the example of where 13 year vets stand in comparison to micro transactions. Forge tool > Boura Mount. A rechargeable version of this tool would have made a great 13th.

Third thing.. this forge tool (I think) is one of the first items on gamecodes that doesn't have some alternate version available in game. It would have been nice to see something like a 1 charge version at a 5% drop rate on slasher, stiggy dragon or medussa. Or a version that increases success rate 50% in t-chest loot.

Last thing, crafters seem completely taken out of the loop. Meaning you can enhance without fear with 0 skill. I'm not suggesting you have to be a crafter to use it. But a nice little bonus would be to let their skill check try to enhance the item. If they would have failed resulting in a break, then consume a charge and enhance the item anyway. If they would have failed but the item didn't break or if they succeed then no charge would be consumed.
 

NuSair

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Getting 80 seeds on a rat spawn is not easy.
Neither is growing about 285 plants.
This is for ONE item IF you go by the averages.


You have a better way?
Growing plants isn't that hard. I do it every morning.
 

Llewen

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Meaning you can enhance without fear with 0 skill.
Unless I'm misunderstanding something, that's not the case. You still need enough skill to work with the materials. I don't like the tool, I'm not saying that, just clearing up that point.
 

Riply

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It's not about "winning" the game. It's about a sense of accomplishment. "Pay to win" is a figure of speech that you understand perfectly, so I'm not going to waste my time explaining it to you.

When a goal requires effort and planning to reach you gain a sense of accomplishment when you reach that goal. However, when you can reach that goal far quicker using a cheap gimmick, which is what that tool is, then that effort ceases to form the basis for a sense of accomplishment, it simply becomes a waste of time.

That is exactly what scripting and duping does as well. I could invest the hours practising to gain the skill necessary to heal through the concerted attacks of multiple opponents, or perhaps timing a devastating combination of attacks to gain a kill as a dexxer. But when I see someone who simply fires up a script that allows them to do the same thing, or better, with far less practice, that sense of accomplishment and satisfaction that I might have gained is replaced with a realization that the time I spent practising and honing my skills, was wasted.

It's basic human psychology. A sense of accomplishment always entails some kind of comparison. If you have nothing to compare to, then you have no way of measuring whether you have performed a task well. Games are intrinsically competitive, and pvp specifically in UO is highly competitive, it's all about doing better than someone else. To claim otherwise is ridiculous. And putting together a "suit" that allows you to compete at a high level is a part of that competitive process.
Sums it up pretty well actually
 

Korik Bloodguard

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Very nice addition to the store! Make my life easier, some player gets some of my gold, and EA gets cash. Everyone wins.
 
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