My policy on faction items (Siege does not pvp anymore)

[archite666]

First, and foremost I'd like to say that most of you know I have pretty much retired from my "hardcore" days of UO. You serious pvpers know what I'm talking about, no more ghost cam schemes or huge plans to rule the shard. Just want to log on and kill people, hence why I'm red now.

Second, Why many us disagree on faction items, they are a part of the item based game that is UO. I miss the day when a good 1/3 was worth millions too, but at least now, I can run a solo mage and have a shot. Items were already a problem before faction items, the dexxers ruled supreme because of the sick weapon mods you could bless.

Third, Now why iv been gone, it seems there have become "standands" to the faction gear policy. This was put in place to try to streamline pvp.

NOW HERES WHERE IT TURNS BAD

The poorer less experienced guilds get this grand idea. "Hey lets NOT use faction arties and instead GANK those that do, thus we lose nothing and gain like a million gold per gank"

TNT I'm talking to you. Mr all stealth, multiple dragon pvpers.

JSV I'm talking to you. Mr mages that don't know how to do anything other than flamestrike all day (i'm looking at you roland) and blue naked tamers throwing bolas.

Now i'v died several times to ganks over the last week or two. No problem, I fight solo so I understand. And most people (NEO) have been pretty reasonable. Trading my stuff back for some armor and what not. Most of TNT has been been cool as long as they get something out of it.

Others however EXPECT I pay them 10 per on my items. They EXPECT it because thats their plan. They killed me for the money. Thats their victory. Its no longer about the fighting. Its about the money.

To the people who look at enemy factions at a piggy bank, go to Trammel where they actually do farm players for insurence money.

LETS CUT TO THE CHASE

Heres the deal, if you don't earn the kill. I'm not gonna pay 10 per (I dont have the money anyway, but once I do I still wouldnt) If you gank me hardcore, I will trade some items or maybe pay 5 per because its conveinent for me but YOU WILL NOT GET 1 million gold from me for using lame tactics designed to get you a paycheck.

Now, I realise you have the option to trash my stuff. I fully expect that. But understand while I may not PVP without my suit, I don't quit playing, I simply do something more constructive.

Ask

Lady sindy (JSV)
TigerDyr (JSV)
Gib (JSV)
Lady... whatever, the one that just casts EVs over and over (JSV)
HAVIK (JSV)
Elmer Fudd (SP!)
RacerX(SP!)
and whoever from TNT I chased out off of fire island.

I will just farm your people for the silver I need to get my suit. I know thats not a threat, its not intended to be. I'm simply saying, when I'm kept from pvping I hunt down farmers.

I emplore the rest of you to stand against these tycoons and NOT pay them the full price for their cheap kills. Indeed they could trash your suit, but to what end? Then they have earned nothing, and then one day they will die and when they have to go farm silver, I will find them.

In closing, Does anyone want to buy some silver?

 

[Sprago]

well said

 

[Speedy Orkit]

How can one really gauge what is a cheap kill?

Is blocking someone on a bridge not lame?

Or running someone into a mana vamp trap not cheap?

Or using the teleport bola trick to get them off mount?

I'm not disagreeing with your reasoning, I'm just saying well, it's hard to kill someone these days. 125HP+ on every person with 70DCI and 10HPR, maybe even 50EP. Sometimes cheap is necessary.

 

[archite666]

IMO a cheap kill leaves me with the feeling that I should have just not logged on.

A cheap kill would be 5 mages just running up to you FS up and killing you.

Your of course commenting on what we did to you guys a little bit ago. Yes we were outnumbered, and out dragoned. So we set a trap, killed some people, rather than retreat you stuck around at the end of the bridge on a mage, on an ethy with no backup.

Yes I would consider what we did to you, very cheap. I would not consider killing your mates with dragons by setting a trap cheap at all.

The point is, I refuse to reward the behavior of trying to make money rather than pvping.

Running all stealthers is cheap. Running tamers is cheap. Running naked characters designed for one thing is cheap.

Whats the idea? Risk vs reward? Ist that the main thought behind Siege?

 

[Kael]

Kinda sounds like you want insurance on "your" artifacts or your going to try to grief

 

[Speedy Orkit]

Kinda sounds like you want insurance on "your" artifacts or your going to try to grief

Faction buybacks period are insurance. More expensive insurance, sure, but still insurance.

 

[Diablo FTW]

Not insurance. some still trash the gear, Yea well... too much tamer on this shard, well like yesterday i was talking to one from jsv to buy back some of my suits, and when roy showed up bolaed me i got 3 pet on me this is realy unfair,

 

[Diablo FTW]

Idk why they still dont want to sell back my item just cause they are pissed cause i killed beowulf. or whatever,

 

[Tiberius]

I have come to many of the same conclusions as you have. The suits I run are nowhere near a mil, but I have pretty much refused to purchase from certain people who are I feel are not in it for a good fight but to make bank.
I hold individuals responsible. I can run my guy without the suit; my temp is not designed around the suit. There are certain parties that will have your stuff returned to you free of charge if I get my hands on it ; you know who you are. There are also those of you who will feed my trash barrel; you probably know who you are as well. There are others who will get discounts
( I have done so for T.K. and Sprago before and am still inclined to do so ).

That being said my trash list is as follows and is based on cheap tactics, excessive res-killing, and MASSIVE **** talking.

1) Gujek
2) Neo
3) Mr. X - if he ever mans up and takes the risk

My return free of charge list; completely based on positive pvp/saleback/give back interations. It may grow longer if some of the GiL people from crus hop in factions and play it like they did in CRUS.

1) Cash
2) Death Tax
3) Amanda
4) Righty
5) Tygr Dyr

My discount list; based on returning favors or just plain respect for playstyle.
1) Elvis
2) Mook (Virgil)
3) Sprago
4) T.K.
5) Diablo

Everyone else will get the regular 10 per until some positive or negative interaction makes them remember them specifically.

 

[Sprago]

Kinda sounds like you want insurance on "your" artifacts or your going to try to grief

LOL he did not say he was going to grief anyone he just said he would not buy them back in those situations, so that the cheap kill wasn't justified in anything more then just that, a cheap kill, not a million dollar kill.

at least thats the way i understood it

and if your implying that killing the farmers greifing im sorry thats just simple game play, faction on faction, gameplay

 

[Tiberius]

LOL he did not say he was going to grief anyone he just said he would not buy them back in those situations, so that the cheap kill wasn't justified in anything more then just that, a cheap kill, not a million dollar kill.

at least thats the way i understood it

and if your implying that killing the farmers greifing im sorry thats just simple game play, faction on faction, gameplay

Agreed; you and T.K. have broke my monotony in Hyloth a couple times; you also gotten me while I was busy pvping on the main comp and only able to watch my poor tamer go bye, bye from 3 feet away.

 

[archite666]

Notice the part where I said, it wast intended as a threat?

Its not, and I seriously killed about 15 ppl farming silver at blighted and hyloth.

Its about balance.

It just really ticks me off that its not about the fighting at all. All guilds are converting to this. Which is why I want to end this status quo, if people cant get rich off of it, then maybe we can go back to pvping for fun.

 

[Kael]

LOL he did not say he was going to grief anyone he just said he would not buy them back in those situations, so that the cheap kill wasn't justified in anything more then just that, a cheap kill, not a million dollar kill.

at least thats the way i understood it

and if your implying that killing the farmers greifing im sorry thats just simple game play, faction on faction, gameplay

All im implying sir is that the items don't belong to you if you lose them. How you lose them ( ie- 1 vs 1, gank ect ect) is irrelevant. If people choose to sell back then they set a fee. If they choose to return free of charge then thats great. People seem to have this holier than thou attitude with faction gear and feel that they deserve to have it back.

 

[archite666]

You are correct in what you say.

However, that whole route pretty much ends pvp as it stands.

The more rich players can offered ungodly amounts to not have their stuff trashed while the rest of us try to farm.

No one is going to run around in gm armor getting owned by 6 mod weapons.

On the flipside, if they trash your stuff, what they are really doing is throwing away money.

See what you say is true, but these people ARE PVPING FOR THE MONEY. So on the flipside, if they trash my stuff because I refuse to pay the amount they want, then I still win because they get nothing.

I can always run the basic faction stuff and be very good. If I die then I kill someone farming silver and I get enough to turn in for a new set of items, thereby making sure my enemies get nothing.

 

[archite666]

FYI id like to thank gyro for contributing 2k silver to my cause at wind a few minutes ago.

 

[Diablo FTW]

thx tib

 

[archite666]

What?

please reread fudd.

Thats a separate paragraph talking about people I bugged while they were farming silver. Relax buddy. No one looted your wife. I killed her while she was farming silver. Yes she is my friend. Shes also an enemy factioneer that was farming silver. I tend to think you benefit from that, so naturally I killed her. And to be honest I didn't even notice it was her till after the fact.

 

[archite666]

Oh but lets be real, HOW you were farming silver was very cheap. And although I cant publicly discuss it, you know it was.

I give you 10 pts though, you gotta admit it was funny as **** when I stuck my hiryu on you, in stat lol.

 

[Freelsy]

Heres the funny thing. Someone kills you in a way that you feel is not honorable, your going to punish yourself by farming/killing farmers to get the silver to re-make a faction artifact suit. Sir that to me makes no sense.

"Damn you, that wasn't fair. Now I'm gonna go over here and farm silver for the next 6 hours while you guys go out and pvp"

 

[Elmer Fudd]

Oh but lets be real, HOW you were farming silver was very cheap. And although I cant publicly discuss it, you know it was.

I give you 10 pts though, you gotta admit it was funny as **** when I stuck my hiryu on you, in stat lol.

You know what funny is? I was duel clienting, so I cant control two characters as well as one....I didnt do anything cheap....I didnt use them to trap you with a dragon and kill you....I dont mind telling anyone I use bag balls to Keep people away FROM ME not to trap them....all you have to do is pick em up.....there wasnt a super dragon sitting in the middle of them or anything.,...so the way I farm isnt cheap at all....U dont like em, pick em up and come after me.,..simple as that

P.S. I deleted the last post post I made, because If I misunderstood you Ill give you the benifit of doubt that wasnt what you meant...but the way you pancake about stuff sometimes it get confusing...

 

[Mr X]

That being said my trash list is as follows and is based on cheap tactics, excessive res-killing, and MASSIVE **** talking.

1) Gujek
2) Neo
3) Mr. X - if he ever mans up and takes the risk

Soon enough tibs, and if I ever loot your stuff tibs I will give it to my guildmates to trade back for their stuff. And if you ever get any of my stuff tibs, you can shove it up your ass.

In the past I have always given my guildmates faction stuff to trade with. Even of people I detested. And I will never buy my faction stuff back. So lock it down on your porch or trash it cause it has no value if it is picked off my corpse.

 

[Roland']

If i die my faction items are only worth 250k at 10per. If you want to charge me more than 100k for my totem then i have box of them at home. Try running cheaper suits Cash. Also PM cash you were very out numbered, ill cut ya a deal on your suit.

And hey ! I love my FS FS FS FS FS FS combo = p

Also i dont pvp to make money to get rich. The money i get form pvp goes to more pvp. Agi hammers, kegs, runic, etc. I wish i was so good i could pvp to get rich.

 

[archite666]

Don't you guys have any real mages anymore to teach you better? FS doest work. I can caste a G heal faster and heal more than you deal.

Anyway, people shouldnt be pvping to make money at all. It should be a biproduct of like spawns, doom ect.

But we dont do those anymore, why? Because you make tons!

I noticed you put the value on my orny and totem at like 100k, that is very fair. If you put my items at 5per I will be over to get them lickidy split.

 

[Bob_the_Thief]

It sounds like you're butt hurt over people who outsmarted you.


I came to this shard thinking it would be real gritty PvP, none of that insurance bull ****. If you happen to lose your stuff, you better expect to pay loads to get them back.

People don't need to PvP for the money. There's loads of other ways to get that. They demand such high prices just to **** you off. Guess what? It worked!

 

[archite666]

Sorry buddy, you dont know what your talking about.

We all openly admit, killing people has become a very profitable business.

If you kill someone, thats 1 mil most times.

Outsmarted? No, more like stopped pvping.

Your post is completly random and nonsensical, I love when thieves try and post about pvp.

You want gritty pvp? Do naked tamers throwing bolas sound like pvp?

And please read my entire post before posting, your foot avoids your mouth better.

 

[Bob_the_Thief]

Sorry buddy, you dont know what your talking about.

We all openly admit, killing people has become a very profitable business.

If you kill someone, thats 1 mil most times.

Outsmarted? No, more like stopped pvping.

Your post is completly random and nonsensical, I love when thieves try and post about pvp.

You want gritty pvp? Do naked tamers throwing bolas sound like pvp?

And please read my entire post before posting, your foot avoids your mouth better.

You seem to think that people should PvP for the same reason you do. People PvP for many different reasons. Money, fame, fun, or to just make your life miserable.

I tried reading your whole post, I really did. But did you really expect people to read 3 paragraphs of you crying?

 

[archite666]

lol sir.

I love how people try to dismiss something as crying, if you would have read the whole thing, you would understand why everyone is giving you the "stink eye" there wast any crying there. How long have you been on this shard? who are you again?

 

[Bob_the_Thief]

hehe, another thing I love about this shard.

I always hear the PvPers shouting "Who are you!?!?" at each other.

You guys seem to feel that only veterans are allowed to have an opinion.

 

[archite666]

hehe, another thing I love about this shard.

I always hear the PvPers shouting "Who are you!?!?" at each other.

You guys seem to feel that only veterans are allowed to have an opinion.

Hmmm.....

yes...

Let me lay this out for you.

Veteran= Someone who is experienced in something.

Yes I believe only those who are EXPERIENCED in something should be the ones to publicly express their opinions.

But I understand if you like to hear things from people who have no idea what they are talking about.

If you have any plumbing problems Id love to tell you about it, as I couldn't tell you what a wrench looked like with a diagram in front of me.

 

[Freelsy]

Opinions should be expressed by everyone...not only so called "veterans". New people have fresh ideas and ways of doing things.

 

[archite666]

I agree to an extent but you got to look at the subject matter.

This guy didn't read all my post, doest pvp and hes trying to pull the " less QQ more pew pew" like hes an ace.

I just think its sad that all of Siege is slowly turning into a gold war. Nobody brand new to the shard can truely appreciate the greatness of what Siege was.

Were slowly becoming a parady of what we once were.

 

[Amanda Shade]

You know, I have a COMPLETELY backwards view of buybacks.

If I am fighting somebody 1v1 and actually kill them, I will give their stuff back to them. I of course appreciate it if they return the favor. To me, it is a reward for them fighting honorably and not calling in a gank squad.

If I am rolling with a gank squad and kill somebody, then to me it is just unfortunate for them and they will most likely have to buy their stuff back. Likewise, if I die to a gank squad or I am in a gank squad and die...I really do expect to have to buy back my gear.

In a nutshell, 1v1 courage should be rewarded; and I do my best to do so.

 

[Elmer Fudd]

You know, I have a COMPLETELY backwards view of buybacks.

If I am fighting somebody 1v1 and actually kill them, I will give their stuff back to them. I of course appreciate it if they return the favor. To me, it is a reward for them fighting honorably and not calling in a gank squad.

If I am rolling with a gank squad and kill somebody, then to me it is just unfortunate for them and they will most likely have to buy their stuff back. Likewise, if I die to a gank squad or I am in a gank squad and die...I really do expect to have to buy back my gear.

In a nutshell, 1v1 courage should be rewarded; and I do my best to do so.

A Very Valid point of view I have never looked at before......Hummm
kind of a refreshing way to look at it

 

[Mook Chessy]

You know, I have a COMPLETELY backwards view of buybacks.

If I am fighting somebody 1v1 and actually kill them, I will give their stuff back to them. I of course appreciate it if they return the favor. To me, it is a reward for them fighting honorably and not calling in a gank squad.

If I am rolling with a gank squad and kill somebody, then to me it is just unfortunate for them and they will most likely have to buy their stuff back. Likewise, if I die to a gank squad or I am in a gank squad and die...I really do expect to have to buy back my gear.

In a nutshell, 1v1 courage should be rewarded; and I do my best to do so.

While I agree with the courage aspect, I never give faction items back. I loot what I can use or sell back.

I think what everyone one is missing is the fact that the people did not screw up Siege, is was EA

When they made the faction items "char bound" they opened the door.

I for one hate to farm silver, it sucks. As I have said in several posts I love to hunt, just not the beasties that drop silver. Their loot sucks. ( I agree with fudd on this one, all monster loot should be re worked) So when I can buy back my faction items it free me up to hunt for nicer items (which are looted when I die) I can also bank gold to buy Weps/Kits and other items to pvp with.

Also I find it funny that Cash needs to post about how he wont pay 10 per when he just sold of, what, 75 million! " what should I do with all of this gold" please.........

Dude, that dog wont hunt!

If you need cash irl try working, then you have no need to come here and cry about 10 per!!

 

[Wulf2k]

The faction arties are bound to a single character?

You can't kill somebody and take their arties to use for yourself?

 

[Duke SP]

You didn't get the memo?Your gonna have to farm silver for three days to get a nice suit.And possibly lose it to a gank/dismount in 15 minutes then buy it back for like a million gold.

I quit PvP'ing before i started.LOL

And then if you say your not gonna use faction arties then your gonna be three shot.

 

[archite666]

If you need cash irl try working, then you have no need to come here and cry about 10 per!!

If you only knew me, you would know how dumb that comment really is.

I have a job, its alot more than that actually. What is wrong with making an extra 500$ on a game I play for fun?

Jealously I think, you would have to gank for years to make the gold I sold off in the last few months.

Its not a point of MY PERSONAL gold reserves, its a point about how shady you guys make the shard, I think someone is a little butt hurt that i'm blowing the whistle on their "big plan" lol.

 

[MoonglowMerchant]

The poorer less experienced guilds get this grand idea. "Hey lets NOT use faction arties and instead GANK those that do, thus we lose nothing and gain like a million gold per gank"

Poorer and less experienced or older and more experienced?

I can't speak for anyone else but I choose not to use faction arties because using them IMO is like using hide/stealth, or pets, etc... It is a crutch for those who can't compete otherwise.

I've been there and done that albeit briefly and I'd rather fight and die occasionally with tactics and skill than have to cry about my items.

 

[archite666]

This is true, and I have respect for the game you run Evermore.

You watch the reds eyeing hungrly and wait for them to slip up, youv done this multiple times.

However, let it be known that your "crutch" be that nice blue shade on your name and those dive bombing angels called guards.

I, am a red, I do not have the luxery and so I use faction arties.

Don't pretend to take the high road, play your red and then come here and tell me about the evils of faction arties.

And the comment about poorer simply meaning "having less gold" Many guild dont know the first thing about making money. Each individual SP! member has more gold than 99% of most other guilds. I went from spawning on a daily bases to make a few hundred K, to making millions by doing little work at all. Obviously some people don't know how to do this and so resort to this, I can almost understand, I used to hate spawning.

Remember when we didnt kill the coon before server down? Got back and it was gone? lol.

And no i'm not talking about cheating, I'm talking about knowing the best methods to farming items for gold.

 

[MoonglowMerchant]

This is true, and I have respect for the game you run Evermore.

You watch the reds eyeing hungrly and wait for them to slip up, youv done this multiple times.

However, let it be known that your "crutch" be that nice blue shade on your name and those dive bombing angels called guards.

I, am a red, I do not have the luxery and so I use faction arties.

Don't pretend to take the high road, play your red and then come here and tell me about the evils of faction arties.

I've been killed by reds and blues without faction arties. They aren't necessary to kill or to survive.

Hence, I don't use them on a red or a blue.

I don't consider them evil. They don't bother me a bit. I just choose not to use them because when I kill someone I want to earn it. I don't want to win simply because I was willing to spend hours afk farming for silver.

For anyone who does (use pets, or stealth, or faction arties), go right ahead. I consider it lame but that is your choice to use them just as it is my choice not to.

 

[archite666]

I've been killed by reds and blues without faction arties. They aren't necessary to kill or to survive.

Hence, I don't use them on a red or a blue.

I don't consider them evil. They don't bother me a bit. I just choose not to use them because when I kill someone I want to earn it. I don't want to win simply because I was willing to spend hours afk farming for silver.

For anyone who does (use pets, or stealth, or faction arties), go right ahead. I consider it lame but that is your choice to use them just as it is my choice not to.

But yet you guard whack people? I mean i'm not name calling but lets be foward, you by every definition a NOTO.

I think if you asked the entire shard who would be the one person in the dictionary definition as a NOTO, alot would vote for you,stryder, and roy, I think Roy would win but youd be close

 

[Bo Bo]

Bo finds this thread amusing. Cash must have named himself after what he needs the most and evermore. Oh Evermore let us take a few quotes of Evermore and put them with his current fightin style.
"IMO is like using hide/stealth, or pets, etc... It is a crutch for those who can't compete otherwise"
"when I kill someone I want to earn it"
ok lets put these to quotes together and apply them Evermore. These are not taken outta context, by any means.
Evermore runs usually with either a group of stealthers or a group of tamers usually both. And Bo has never seen Evermore kill anyone by himself, so wtf could he have possible earned. Bo would like to know what you really think about your current guildmates, oh yeah "they cant compete" Bo thinks Evermore just dies to much and cant stand to spend gold to get his **** back. Which if you put that statement with Bo's first about Cash maybe Evermore is Cash.

 

[GoodGuy]

yea faction artys were the last dagger in my UO heart.

They are insurance, one way or another, uber items all the time, might as well be ****ing insurance. Plus the gameplay on siege has just gone downhill into uber ganks and whoever has the most on vent pretty much wins the fight.

UOAM, vent, and too many trammy bleed ins has slowly changed siege into such a piece of **** of a mockery of what UO ever once was.

 

[archite666]

Bo finds this thread amusing. Which if you put that statement with Bo's first about Cash maybe Evermore is Cash.

Bo...

You,me, Atlantic city bub. My flight leaves tonight, same place as last time. We will settle this AGAIN.

PS. I'm talking about fighting, this is completly unrelated to Vegas.

But.... If you ever want to go back to Vegas... ya know.... call me.

Please?

 

[Mook Chessy]

If you only knew me, you would know how dumb that comment really is.

I have a job, its alot more than that actually. What is wrong with making an extra 500$ on a game I play for fun?

Jealously I think, you would have to gank for years to make the gold I sold off in the last few months.

Its not a point of MY PERSONAL gold reserves, its a point about how shady you guys make the shard, I think someone is a little butt hurt that i'm blowing the whistle on their "big plan" lol.

It appears you don't know me either. I left well over a Billion Gold on Atl when I came to Siege. In less then two years I have aquired over 50 million here on Siege plus a Castle and Luna House.

It seems to me you are one of the people that want to live in the past, please move on!

This is the only UO we have so play it or quit...

Quick side note, the only reason you get ganked is your ego! Don't mess with 5 blue tamers in luna and you wont die!!!

 

[Wulf2k]

You may have your millions and millions of gold, but what good is it without an ego?

How can you sleep at night without crushing your enemies, seeing them driven before you, and hearing the lamentation of their women?

To lose a glorious battle is better any day than winning an assured one.

 

[Bo Bo]

Bo loves when these people that played like 5 years ago say Siege is shat now. They always talk about the good ole days like they were great and everything was balanced. Oh how they forgot about things. Bo remembers tho, faction armor being blessed for 30 days, sammy helm and ember legs being blessed, cbd-able blessed artis, and Bo's personal favorite not everyone having the option to bless 1 item. Good ole days aye Goodguy, sure they were for you becuase you had all these things. People like Bo when they first got had nothing, hence you had a huge advantage over them.

Oh Cash, Atlantic City??? really Bo would love to go, tough week for Bo tho. Bo will meet you under the bridge at 3 oclock and we can settle our differences than. Bo is still a **** mage tho, workin on getting better.

 

[Scuzzlebutt]

Bo...

You,me, Atlantic city bub. My flight leaves tonight, same place as last time. We will settle this AGAIN.

PS. I'm talking about fighting, this is completly unrelated to Vegas.

But.... If you ever want to go back to Vegas... ya know.... call me.

Please?

Do I need to wait for my Secret Society Decoder ring to figure out what any of this means? Cause I am not drinking any more Ovaltine.

 

[Wulf2k]

The first rule of HookerFight Club is that you don't talk about HookerFight Club.
The second rule of HookerFight Club is that you don't talk about HookerFight Club.

The third rule is that you are responsible for bringing your own tarp.

 

[Wulf2k]

Did they finally do something about the hats and leggings?