My opinion on the Fel book..

[gjohnson5]

Sheesh. One little part of an event takes place in Fel and whine whine whine. Whine because you just MIGHT for one instance need help from other players instead of doing it all by yourself.

It's called choice. If I chose to be a solo player that is my prerogative. I should NOT need grouping or partying forced on me and nor should I have PvP forced on me. If I want to PvP , I can always hit Yew moongate at any time. My house is also in Fel and I can easily walk out of it.

 

[Violence]

It's also your choice to either step in Felucca or not. This choice means you've already made certain other minor choices like condoning that you may need to group or party, and PVP may be forced on you, in order for you to get something you either need or want.

 

[gjohnson5]

Irrelevant.

If the devs wanted to make a challenging event , then they should not have created a free give away and then tell people to walk into death trap to get their fix. This was poor decision making (as usual) by the DEVS

 

[Viper09]

It's called choice. If I chose to be a solo player that is my prerogative. I should NOT need grouping or partying forced on me and nor should I have PvP forced on me. If I want to PvP , I can always hit Yew moongate at any time. My house is also in Fel and I can easily walk out of it.

You are given the choice to partake in this one part of the event which happens to take place in fel. You know where the event takes place and you are given a choice to try it. No one is forcing you at all, you are not required at all.

Again, if you are unable to take it in by yourself it is your choice to get more help, wait and try again later, or not do it. Are you also going to whine if you can't solo really high-end monsters and spawns since you claim to be a solo player in a MMO?

 

[gjohnson5]

You are given the choice to partake in this one part of the event which happens to take place in fel. You know where the event takes place and you are given a choice to try it. No one is forcing you at all, you are not required at all.

Again, if you are unable to take it in by yourself it is your choice to get more help, wait and try again later, or not do it. Are you also going to whine if you can't solo really high-end monsters and spawns since you claim to be a solo player in an MMO?

Nonsense

IMHO most people want to participate in the events. Most people would participate in an event even if it is badly thought out and planned. They would risk death in order for a CHANCE at the rewards. yes , it is a choice.
The location of the event was not their choice and it's stupid to simply tell them don't participate. What is the percentage of UO population that DOESN'T want to participate in the events?

And LOL @ the wining. All we've heard is PK (most of whom are using third party programs anyway) whining that they can't get their handouts ever since trammel was created. IMHO if the exploits were fixed most of them wouldn't be able to kill anyone anyway.

Once again the organization of the event was not the players choice and telling them not to participate goes against what been happening with UO over a decade

 

[maroite]

What I want to ask -And it may or may not be relative to the OP in this particular case- is why MOST people accustomed to playing in Trammel refuse to learn how to fight properly and defend themselves. If I wanted to take it a bit further the question would also address their inability to demonstrate what they claim makes Trammel a "better" world; Community or in other words and under certain circumstances(this Event?), CO-OPERATION in fighting or defending people there to obstruct them.. I obviously am not referring to mass-spamming reports for griefing and such..

So, if anyone can offer a basic explanation on these, I'm all ears. For everything else I think Kelmo got it covered pretty much. rolleyes:

Why do people in fel "need" trammies to basically grief? How much fun is it to actually kill someone who has no skill at all?

Why do Reds NOT kill other reds? Seems like the most challenge a red could find would be killed other reds...

It amuses me that reds constantly want more people in fel for the "action" but usually the "action" couldn't even be considered pvp.

 

[Der Rock]

UO is a game. It is an open game where we as players are allowed to make choices. These choices have consequences. Why else would we play it?

You can choose and decide what you do in game. No matter what the Devs come up with, it is still your choice. No one is required to take part in every little thing offered.

If you choose to do so there may be consequences.

*smiles*

you are 100% correct here

and the consequences are :

-fel empty
-siege empty

fel is so empty that the "pvp" player need a book placed in fel to let their "playstyle" happen.


p.s.
and LOL the fel heros post "thanks dev for the last 2 books in fel."

 

[gjohnson5]

you are 100% correct here

and the consequences are :

-fel empty
-siege empty

fel is so empty that the "pvp" player need a book placed in fel to let their "playstyle" happen.


p.s.
and LOL the fel heros post "thanks dev for the last 2 books in fel."

If what you say is true and that few people are interested in PvP, then maybe Fel and Seige should be eliminated all together. PvP can happen in those spots in the Abyss marked for PvP

 

[Violence]

Feluccans don't need to GRIEF anyone. They do love to fight, meaning they aim to kill you. In every way possible. Sure it pisses people off, dying. It's bad.

Also you were given a choice, face it. EA/M "TOLD" people..? Wow.. What's next, you'll murder someone and tell us all the Devil told you to do it?

I'll conclude with a single word just like you judge all these posts starting with one.

Fail.

 

[Evlar]

you are 100% correct here

and the consequences are :

-fel empty
-siege empty

fel is so empty that the "pvp" player need a book placed in fel to let their "playstyle" happen.


p.s.
and LOL the fel heros post "thanks dev for the last 2 books in fel."

If what you say is true and that few people are interested in PvP, then maybe Fel and Seige should be eliminated all together. PvP can happen in those spots in the Abyss marked for PvP

No, but perhaps they should remove PvP from the shiny-shiny-nicey-nicey shards if it causes such offence to the "majority", keep Siege/Mugen (+ fix what they're asking for) and add a classic shard.

Do those things, if I were a betting man, I would wager a few quid that the most crying and moaning will still come from the production shard population.

 

[Czernobog]

......WOW......

This is horrible. PvP is a part of UO. It is this dynamic that makes UO interesting and unique. Are all the trammies really that afraid of a challenge?

I understand that given to today's weapons and statistics that a non pvp character can easily be killed by a veteran pvper (which is fun.) But one of the books was a stone's throw away from the guard zone. Accept the challenge and see if your PvM template can keep you alive long enough to dbl click the book and then bail. Seems easy enough. With item insurance on productions shards your not risking losing anything. So where exactly is the problem? Are you so inconvenienced by death that you are ready to quit the game? Please get a hold of your coconuts and stand up to the reds.

A UO without Felucca is WOW....

 

[Merion]

My 2 cents on this:

The books in fel were a good idea. Too tired to elaborate right now...

 

[Theo_GL]

Make the PK'ers carry a lantern to negate their weapon skill as well and I'm fine with it.

Also put the spots where you can run to them instead of having to recall in.

GL was about 10 reds waiting at the spot to gank you before your char was even on the screen from the recall. Thats not very 'fair'.

FEL doesn't scare me as much as it generally annoys me. I mean, a group of 5 proceeded to rez kill an unarmed and uninsured crafter for 10 min straight.

And this is fun? I mean, really. It is about as macho as killing mongbats. Anyone can cast harm on someone with 2 hp and no armor and kill them. Yet they do it over and over and over...

Most people in fel don't want to have fair fights as they are there to grief others and not have 1-1 fights. Newsflash, griefing is only 'fun' for the griefer(s).

This is why Fel died. This is why the majority of people don't want a classic shard.

To the small number of people fighting for a classic shard - what they really want is for fodder to kill/grief.

I really hope a classic shard is opened and then they will find that it is populated with nothing but the griefers. Imagine their surprise when there is NO ONE TO GRIEF as the people who don't want to PvP will stay on regular production shards. It will be full of people running around trying to find newbies to grief an there are none. This is EXACTLY what will happen.

The only reason you could grief someone in the old UO is because they had no other choice but to play on that ruleset. There was no non-PVP option. The griefers had a field day. Kill everything that moves and focus on the weakest foes.

If PvPers really want 'fights' you can find them almost anytime - you just can't find people to grief. Thats the problem that everyone is frustrated with now. People don't HAVE to go to Fel if they don't want to and they don't.

With all this being said - I go to FEL all the time and spend most of my time there but I don't go to PvP. I go for 2x resources etc. Do I get killed? Sure. It doesn't really bother me. I have no desire to fight back and I have hundreds of millions of gold so if you want some insurance $$ - knock yourself out. I make FAR more on SoT's, 2x resources and other means that insurance is a small small small cost of doing business for a generally deserted ruleset.

Back to the quest - books here are fine but they are gankfests that most people don't like. I've found that you just do something else for a day and or two and the original fel sites are not camped. I've gotten most of my char through a day or two behind - just not day of the new rune comming out.

Carry on.....

 

[Theo_GL]

......WOW......

This is horrible. PvP is a part of UO. It is this dynamic that makes UO interesting and unique. Are all the trammies really that afraid of a challenge?

I understand that given to today's weapons and statistics that a non pvp character can easily be killed by a veteran pvper (which is fun.) But one of the books was a stone's throw away from the guard zone. Accept the challenge and see if your PvM template can keep you alive long enough to dbl click the book and then bail. Seems easy enough. With item insurance on productions shards your not risking losing anything. So where exactly is the problem? Are you so inconvenienced by death that you are ready to quit the game? Please get a hold of your coconuts and stand up to the reds.

A UO without Felucca is WOW....

Carry a f'in lantern like I have to in order to see the book and then it is more 'fair'.

The fel books bring an unarmed person to a waiting group of reds. Thats no fair fight or fun.

If I didn't have to put down my weapon or shield then I would have no problem.

Its a mute point though. There aren't enough reds that play the game to patrol multiple spots for days on end. The ganks generally die out when kids have to get to bed and you can finish up later or early in the morning. No big deal.

The whole 'have to carry a lantern' sucks though. They should have made it a tally or something and then I wouldn't care.

 

[Evlar]

This is why Fel died. This is why the majority of people don't want a classic shard.

To the small number of people fighting for a classic shard - what they really want is for fodder to kill/grief.

First point, people who would play on a classic shard, are people who are aware of the ruleset and possibly surprising to you, would be happier to play under those conditions. If you don't want to play under those conditions, you don't play a classic shard, or Siege/Mugen, for that matter. Your preferences might be in the majority, for now, but there's also a lot of people (not just on this forum) who would prefer a classic option.

Secondly, I've always been more of a crafter than a fighter, yet I want to play a classic shard. I along with pretty much everyone who wants to see a classic shard, simply don't like AoS...

I really hope a classic shard is opened and then they will find that it is populated with nothing but the griefers. Imagine their surprise when there is NO ONE TO GRIEF as the people who don't want to PvP will stay on regular production shards. It will be full of people running around trying to find newbies to grief an there are none. This is EXACTLY what will happen.

See, this is where your argument turns into nothing other than textual diarrhoea.

Players who play Siege/Mugen know what the "rules" are. Players who would play a classic server would likewise.

Why on god's blue marble, would people who hate any form of potential player-versus-player confrontation whatsoever, want to play on a single facet shard where it's entirely to be expected? Simple answer is, they wouldn't. Likewise, people who cry and bleat because their little pixel person died... we wouldn't want them there either.

Sure, there will be those that want to grief, but aren't there plenty of those in UO, regardless ruleset, facets or shards? If you've got the master-plan solution to that, I'm sure that everyone playing UO and the developers, would be delighted to hear your enlightened solutions.

To my mind, certainly with a classic shard, the vast majority of players will be experienced in PvP. Therefore, they will be more than likely able to look after themselves. They're not likely to be "sheep to the slaughter" as some of you seem so fond of thinking it will be. If anything, there would likely be less griefers, simply because the players they attack, would actually fight back. If the "loser" is on a crafter, then they'll probably come back on with their skilled fighter and hunt down the griefer. Point is, the players would be able and willing to do something about the griefers.

If anything, the grief killers, would likely stay on the production shards, because they wouldn't be able to handle getting beaten by players who actually can PvP. They'll be more comfortable killing Tram based players who stray into Fel looking for quest books....

Anyhow, knowing what you clearly know (*cough*) about classic or Siege/Mugen options, I doubt you would venture forth into them anyway...

Really... it's not often that I see as much ill-conceived turd in one whole post as that. Not only did it take the biscuit... it ate the whole packet!

 

[Theo_GL]

Players who play Siege/Mugen know what the "rules" are. Players who would play a classic server would likewise.

Which is exactly why Siege/Mugen are two of the least populated shards and people continually beg for more people to play there.

The only difference between a 'classic' shard and Siege would be lack of new armor/weapons. Everyone could run around with GM gear and fight.

I think people will come back to try it - and realize it isn't as much fun as they would have remembered. It will live...and die.. in 3 months.

 

[Nyses]

Make the PK'ers carry a lantern to negate their weapon skill as well and I'm fine with it.

Also put the spots where you can run to them instead of having to recall in.

GL was about 10 reds waiting at the spot to gank you before your char was even on the screen from the recall. Thats not very 'fair'.

FEL doesn't scare me as much as it generally annoys me. I mean, a group of 5 proceeded to rez kill an unarmed and uninsured crafter for 10 min straight.

And this is fun? I mean, really. It is about as macho as killing mongbats. Anyone can cast harm on someone with 2 hp and no armor and kill them. Yet they do it over and over and over...

Most people in fel don't want to have fair fights as they are there to grief others and not have 1-1 fights. Newsflash, griefing is only 'fun' for the griefer(s).

This is why Fel died. This is why the majority of people don't want a classic shard.

To the small number of people fighting for a classic shard - what they really want is for fodder to kill/grief.

I really hope a classic shard is opened and then they will find that it is populated with nothing but the griefers. Imagine their surprise when there is NO ONE TO GRIEF as the people who don't want to PvP will stay on regular production shards. It will be full of people running around trying to find newbies to grief an there are none. This is EXACTLY what will happen.

The only reason you could grief someone in the old UO is because they had no other choice but to play on that ruleset. There was no non-PVP option. The griefers had a field day. Kill everything that moves and focus on the weakest foes.

If PvPers really want 'fights' you can find them almost anytime - you just can't find people to grief. Thats the problem that everyone is frustrated with now. People don't HAVE to go to Fel if they don't want to and they don't.

With all this being said - I go to FEL all the time and spend most of my time there but I don't go to PvP. I go for 2x resources etc. Do I get killed? Sure. It doesn't really bother me. I have no desire to fight back and I have hundreds of millions of gold so if you want some insurance $$ - knock yourself out. I make FAR more on SoT's, 2x resources and other means that insurance is a small small small cost of doing business for a generally deserted ruleset.

Back to the quest - books here are fine but they are gankfests that most people don't like. I've found that you just do something else for a day and or two and the original fel sites are not camped. I've gotten most of my char through a day or two behind - just not day of the new rune comming out.

Carry on.....

Very well articulated post. +1

 

[Cetric]

Theo, who are your chars on GL?

 

[Zodia]

The only difference between a 'classic' shard and Siege would be lack of new armor/weapons. Everyone could run around with GM gear and fight.

That is an absurd statement.

There is this little thing called "RoT" that is absolutely hated by a huge amount of people -- and is the primary reason I do not play Siege. And yet I would play a Classic Shard in a second -- as would tens of thousands of returning players as the buzz of returning to an official Classic UO spread like wildfire across the internet. Would they stay? I don't know. But it is worth a try at this point in UO's lifecycle.

 

[Evlar]

Which is exactly why Siege/Mugen are two of the least populated shards and people continually beg for more people to play there.

The only difference between a 'classic' shard and Siege would be lack of new armor/weapons. Everyone could run around with GM gear and fight.

I think people will come back to try it - and realize it isn't as much fun as they would have remembered. It will live...and die.. in 3 months.

The way I see it, people are begging for the developers to fix the problems, which directly leads to people not wanting to play there. One character, skill gain system, etc, etc...

Ask most people why they don't play Siege, myself included, they will tell you what's stopping them. Ask what's left of the Siege population why they think more people don't play there. Both sides will most likely say pretty much the same sort of things.

One character restriction, skill gain system, etc.. etc...

Likewise, although I'm no fan of AoS and what's followed, I understand the reason for having item insurance in an item-centric game. It makes sense. So if they have post AoS content in Siege, why not have item insurance? I'm not saying it should be with or without insurance, but when you look at that huge safety net people on production shards have with the item-centric game, as opposed to no insurance on Siege, then it has to be a big factor for the pixel-crack-hungry people. The thought of losing the uber-items, especially to another player... well... perish the thought!

C'mon man. Try to look at the bigger picture here. If you're going to try to argue your points, it's usually best to understand why people don't always share your view. It's also worth knowing a bit more background about those things too. Clearly, you don't understand many of the reasons why Siege/Mugen are faltering, or why there's such interest in a classic option.

 

[Theo_GL]

That is an absurd statement.

There is this little thing called "RoT" that is absolutely hated by a huge amount of people -- and is the primary reason I do not play Siege. And yet I would play a Classic Shard in a second -- as would tens of thousands of returning players as the buzz of returning to an official Classic UO spread like wildfire across the internet. Would they stay? I don't know. But it is worth a try at this point in UO's lifecycle.

Ok, yes Siege has ROT(Rate over time) skill gain. Honestly though - is that really a hurdle? Log in every so often, get your skill gain and come back tomorrow.

After a few months you'll be GM.

I really don't think it will 'spread like wildfire'. Again, some people may come back to play and realize it is old graphics and no one to grief.

I'm all for it just to watch the show. I would never play it but would love to see what happens.

 

[siyeng0]

This is bizarre.

Players, players. If this event means so much to you that you waste time getting up in arms over it on the forums, then it means enough to you that you can, say, bring yourself to log in at 2am shard time, or train a character to stealth, or wait two days before going after the Felucca book so that everybody will have forgotten about it.

Put all your items away before you go after the books. Wear a blessed robe and the lantern. That's all you need. You can just keep getting up, fetching your body and going after the book for however long it takes; all you have to do is open it. If there are reds there, leave and come back later. Some of you may be on shards populated by troglodytes, and for that I extend my sympathies, but even reds have lives and they're not going to be waiting there 23/7 just for a joykill. From what I've seen, most UO players stay up very late. Go on and do the quest at 1am. Or if they don't stay up late, they're shift-workers. Go on and do the quest at 8am. It's not that hard to work around these things.

Finally, for the love of God stop complaining that events are too easy and then weeping and wailing when they introduce something that puts you outside your comfort zone. I do nothing but RP, my characters are completely untrained and unarmoured, and I managed to do this event on my main, who has no stealth, at primetime on a populous shard that I ping 400 to on a good day. You think I'd go to Fel under these circumstances without a good reason? Of course not. Did I enjoy it just this once (twice)? Of course I did. Do I feel like I've accomplished something? Hell yes.

What it comes down to is: if you're not prepared to take risks or put some work in, you don't deserve the rewards. We pay the devs to put events on for us. We don't pay them to hand us items just for sitting around.

 

[Locryn Finck]

Internet ego is a big problem with tram vs fel. In Tram, it isn't that hard to be a glorious lord, decked out in resplendent pure white finery with a greater dragon by your side; lord of all you survey!

In fel? You are a scrub who's dead body just populated 3 full screens.

I think a lot of people who take pride in their tram based pvm playstyles and character can get offended and scarred by a brutal pvp beat down. There is a lot of resentment toward pvprs from tram based players. The new catch phrase I hear is "NICE WELFARE SUIT!" if you are in factions. They almost have a subculture of resentment built on years of yew gate smackdowns and aborted baracoons.

 

[Viper09]

Finally, for the love of God stop complaining that events are too easy and then weeping and wailing when they introduce something that puts you outside your comfort zone.

 

[siyeng0]

Internet ego is a big problem with tram vs fel. In Tram, it isn't that hard to be a glorious lord, decked out in resplendent pure white finery with a greater dragon by your side; lord of all you survey!
In fel? You are a scrub who's dead body just populated 3 full screens.
I think a lot of people who take pride in their tram based pvm playstyles and character can get offended and scarred by a brutal pvp beat down. There is a lot of resentment toward pvprs from tram based players. The new catch phrase I hear is "NICE WELFARE SUIT!" if you are in factions. They almost have a subculture of resentment built on years of yew gate smackdowns and aborted baracoons.

Tram-based players overidentifying with their characters are more of a problem than most people would suspect. Even if they're not roleplayers, they seem to invest a great deal, as you said, in their character's status and reputation; it's not so much losing their items that they care about - because everything valuable is insured - but getting killed at all.

It shouldn't be that devastating to be beaten at a game. If you're not in the actual PvP system, then there's no points and no ranking; nobody knows you died except for you and the guy who killed you (and seriously, do people honestly think reds remember the person they killed the next day, when they've killed twenty other people since then, most of them in more memorable fights?) Yeah, it sucks to be ganked and rez-killed and trash-talked, but it's very easy just to walk away and come back later.

It's easier for a roleplayer, I think, because there's that layer of IC in between the player and what's happening on the screen. If my character is PKed, he is humiliated and goes into a sulk for days, but I'm laughing at the keyboard. Whereas if you don't RP, that's you there on that screen, and that's you getting beaten up and sworn at, and I guess I can understand why people take it so hard.

 

[Dermott of LS]

...

I'm going to say this as a Trammel player.

In the amount of time some people have griped about the books being in Fel, they could have snuck in and clicked them accordingly with every single one of their characters without even running into the remote possibility of PvP or getting ganked.

The Buc's Den spot was ignored within a day of it being available and the Ocllo spot is right at the guard zone line behind the reagent shop.

Seriously, the sky isn't falling on this one because it takes less than 30 seconds per book to do this. If it were "fight through a Fel champ spawn in order to get this item for a Trammel-based quest", then yes, there'd be reason to complain. Clicking a book? Nope.

As for the "Classic Shard"/Siege babblings... meh, whatever.

 

[Cloak&Dagger]

Aside from agreeing with dermott, I have to say all you people are being ridiculous.

One last time, the Residents of Fel do not need to grief you, I once again highly doubt ANY Resident of Fel has killed a single one of you. It is the Griefing players, more of these players are residents of tram than of fel, so who is to blame once again? How many of the Fel residents that have posted here have actually spent their time camping these books simply killing you all off? Better yet, if you showed up with more than just yourself, would the same have happened? It is an MMO and the original concept of THIS MMO was Community, it was a SOCIAL experiment, not a damn "lets see how many loners we can get to play a multi-player game" Go play a single player game if you do not wish to interact with others (not trying to say everyone should pvp, but interaction does not mean pvp) there are plenty of single player rpgs, hell you could most likely play some of them all the same as you play here, considering your solo-elitist-play-style. I do not group every "pvper" with griefers, I do not group everyone I see in Fel with the residents of Fel, and I do not group all trammel players together. But honestly, you all need to learn that your play-styles all suck, even more so if you are excluding the option of other players play-styles. Of course this goes for me too, but then I only have an issue with players who cause grief, which happens to me far more in tram than in Fel, on any shard I have ever played over the past 13 or so years.

This event was not such a huge deal, you had a choice, nothing was forced on you, rewards are petty, so far the only person to offer an argument in which I had little to nothing that I could counter with was Tazar and all I could respond to him was that if it is simply the clues and fiction that you seek, perhaps someone will post it for you, unless you need to have done all 10 days to participate in what ever climax they have planned I do not see an issue here other than selfishness (if you do have to do all 10 then well, I will let you all rant and rave about how that single red stealth archer at the books was somehow able to kill you each time you recalled in and you were not even able to click a book).

 

[Tukaram]

you would pay 3 times as much $ to play in Trammel vs. Felucca?

Yes! I have said it myself back in the oldie times. I wouldn't play Fel for free, and probably not for pay. Quite simply I do not enjoy the Felons. I won't go for dbl resources, quests, scrolls, not my playstyle. But I'm glad it is there for those that like it. The devs will never understand that a lot of us just don't care to go. They should have simply made a Pvm shard (w/guild v guild, faction etc) instead of splitting the facets. Almost too late now.

As for the quest... I have no idea what you guys are talking about. I don't follow any of the storyline. (I have been doing the Solen Matriarch quest quite a bit lately though.) So I am not complaining about pixels, just the devs misunderstanding of all the players.

 

[Salya Sin]

Aside from agreeing with dermott, I have to say all you people are being rediculous.

One last time, the Residents of Fel do not need to grief you, I once again highly doubt ANY Resident of Fel has killed a single on of you fools. It is the Griefing players, more of these players are residents of tram than of fel, so who is to blame once again? How many of the Fel residents that have posted here have actually spent their time camping these books simply killing you all off? Better yet, if you showed up with more than just yourself, would the same have happened? It is an MMO and the original concept of THIS MMO was Community, it was a SOCIAL experiment, not a damn "lets see how many loners we can get to play a multi-player game" Go play a single player game if you do not wish to interact with others (not trying to say everyone should pvp, but interaction does not mean pvp) there are plenty of single player rpgs, hell you could most likely play some of them all the same as you play here, considering your solo-elitest-play-style. I do not group every "pvper" with griefers, I do not group everyone I see in Fel with the residents of Fel, and I do not group all trammel players together. But honestly, you all need to learn that your play-styles all suck, even more so if you are excluding the option of other players play-styles. Of course this goes for me too, but then I only have an issue with players who cause grief, which happens to me far more in tram than in Fel, on any shard I have ever played over the past 13 or so years.

This event was not such a huge deal, you had a choice, nothing was forced on you, rewards are petty, so far the only person to offer an argument in which I had little to nothing that I could counter with was Tazar and all I could respond to him was that if it is simply the clues and fiction that you seek, perhaps someone will post it for you, unless you need to have done all 10 days to participate in what ever climax they have planned I do not see an issue here other than selfishness (if you do have to do all 10 then well, I will let you all rant and rave about how that single red stealth archer at the books was somehow able to kill you each time you recalled in and you were not even able to click a book).

Cloak... seriously... where as I agree with you on most of what you have written in several other threads... I do have to say this...

This thread is about the Fel event... and therefore, it would be a bit off topic to start on about Trammel griefing. I also don't think there is enough space on all of Stratics to truly discuss Trammel griefing. LOL. There are more players on Trammel... naturally... there will be more.. umm.. griefing.

I agree though... Trammel has it's own share of... jerks. Napa has it's very own PETA guy... who thinks tamers are liars and therefore makes it a point to tame and hide ALL bulls and other critters to lock the spawn. Point... he truly believes this. Try to tame at the bullpen... I dare you. LOL.

I think the majority of people are not upset about having to fight or prepare to die for something. A lot of us go to Fel when there is an event or to do a spawn... In my case... it's usually die horribly there. I think it's the game harassment that became so much a part of the last two drops. It was a Red extravaganza! If you like to PK.. come to the book... surround it like you are protecting your brood... and BAM! Kill anything that moves.

That... to me...seems what the majority are upset with. I myself took an above posters advice... I waited a day or so and went when everyone had moved on. My brand spanking new garg character died enough just trying to get the darned Ilsh book. ::grumbles:: Stupid rat archer!

 

[Harlequin]

Why all this hate for 2 extra chances at the warchest that you need to go fel for?

I am no pvp'r, and even I find the 2 fel spots perfectly fine. If you don't want to risk being attacked, then don't get the last 2 spots. You still have 8 spots left that gives you the exact same reward. Per character. Per shard.

If you strip naked and use charges from a runebook to get in and out, or have a friend gate, you don't lose anything even if you die.

To the folks complaining about the fel spots I have these words - even Popps was adventurous enough to brave Fel/Seige. His only major complaint was not being able to give multiple counts to rez killers.

 

[Connor_Graham]

To the folks complaining about the fel spots I have these words - even Popps was adventurous enough to brave Fel/Seige. His only major complaint was not being able to give multiple counts to rez killers.

Who said many of the rest of us didn't "brave" Fel? I got all of the locations and I'm sure many others did too. That doesn't mean we can't still pancake about something that we feel strongly about.

 

[Connor_Graham]

One last time, the Residents of Fel do not need to grief you, I once again highly doubt ANY Resident of Fel has killed a single on of you fools.

No one "needs" to grief anyone, yet it still happens. Once again, I'll explain that after the Fel island location was made common knowledge, the island was camped by PvP'rs (yes real ones from Fel as I happen to know the names of the chars of most of the PvP'rs on Pac) who didn't allow any player near the book the entire day. Some people don't have the option to get up at 2 or 3 in the morning to complete a freaking quest, and frankly, that shouldn't have to be the only option you have to complete it.

 

[Cloak&Dagger]

....

But the point is people are complaining about griefers and then trying to claim everyone from fel is in that party. As Connor so nicely quoted me just above this and stated he knows the names of these "pvpers" which, again I highly doubt they are that. The first book location was a joke, agreeable. But the actual complaint here is that they had to "brave" fel to get to this. Basically they had to risk death from another player. Events have been ruined in tram by player griefing, so why is this so special? See my point? I know my tangent in all these posts lately is obviously to....direct, but my point is they are complaining about having to deal with grief, but same thing happens at most events, so why make it sound as if the problem has to do with fel?

Just because people participate in "pvp" or what is most likely mass ganking, does not make them "pvpers" more importantly it does not make them the residents of Fel. The children are everywhere, get use to it, tram or fel this was my point to begin with.

Last note sayla since it has to do with a shard we both play on, I don't know if I was early to the show or late or what but I had no trouble getting to the two books in fel on most of my characters that I went on, on their respective days, in fact...I did not see one red/orange, just my observation. I know on napa the fel griefing crowd is huge, since they are mostly non-napa players with a few of our degenerate children. But assuming you or someone you knew had an issue (I know snakeman died at least once) were they actual players FROM napa? wait...nvm, thr was one of them...that doesn't even count it was a tram guild until like a month ago, and for the majority still is if I am not mistaken? But you know what I mean, the people who have been on napa the whole time, any of them there mass killing? If not, I stick by my previous statement of it being the grief players and not the fel players.

I did not mean to make it sound like an argument for tram having grief players, but rather that this happens everywhere and we should stop making it sound special.

 

[Cloak&Dagger]

No one "needs" to grief anyone, yet it still happens. Once again, I'll explain that after the Fel island location was made common knowledge, the island was camped by PvP'rs (yes real ones from Fel as I happen to know the names of the chars of most of the PvP'rs on Pac) who didn't allow any player near the book the entire day. Some people don't have the option to get up at 2 or 3 in the morning to complete a freaking quest, and frankly, that shouldn't have to be the only option you have to complete it.

I agree no one should have to get up at 2 or 3 in the morning. I also think it was you I agreed with about the island book. But I ask you the same question, since I did not even do the quest on pac. were some of the pac pvpers there killing tram players and some there fighting the other pac pvpers? Were ALL the pac pvpers there just killing the trammel players? Or do you have a rather large singular group of players who's only purpose seems to be to cause grief to others? If so, what stops them from doing a similar thing in tram? I said it just above, the grief players do the same thing in tram at many events, so this should not be such a big issue.

 

[Harlequin]

Who said many of the rest of us didn't "brave" Fel? I got all of the locations and I'm sure many others did too. That doesn't mean we can't still pancake about something that we feel strongly about.

I didn't see you complain, distinctly remember that even you were fine with the fel spots.

 

[kelmo]

Settle down. Opinions are OK. Personal attacks are not.

 

[Connor_Graham]

I didn't see you complain, distinctly remember that even you were fine with the fel spots.

I'm very much against the Fel spots. The first was just stupid. The second wasn't too bad, and would even be considered to be acceptable. Having 1 spot on that island though, was pure idiocy on someone's part.

 

[Professor Moriarty]

I just don’t get it! You got to the SA Dungeon and try to kill the slasher, he kills you many times before you kill him, but yet you accept this. You got felucca and a PK kills you once and look at all the treads crying coz they had to go to felucca and they died.

Would you try and solo the slasher? (ok some do). Most people bring a few friends to try and kill the slasher. So why don’t you look at the pk’s as a high level monster that needs more than one person to take it down. If you go down in a group 3 or 4 you would be fine, when the pk is targeting your mate…you read the book. Let the Pk target you, so then your friends can read the book.

I just don’t see why people cry when a PK kills them but they don’t cry when a high level monster kills them. Death is Death! It make no difference if it s a red or a high level monster. You get a res and try it from a different angle…

 

[Connor_Graham]

I just don’t get it! You got to the SA Dungeon and try to kill the slasher, he kills you many times before you kill him, but yet you accept this. You got felucca and a PK kills you once and look at all the treads crying coz they had to go to felucca and they died.

Would you try and solo the slasher? (ok some do). Most people bring a few friends to try and kill the slasher. So why don’t you look at the pk’s as a high level monster that needs more than one person to take it down. If you go down in a group 3 or 4 you would be fine, when the pk is targeting your mate…you read the book. Let the Pk target you, so then your friends can read the book.

I just don’t see why people cry when a PK kills them but they don’t cry when a high level monster kills them. Death is Death! It make no difference if it s a red or a high level monster. You get a res and try it from a different angle…

Please get back to us on this once you've gone out and purchased a clue.

Thank you.

*facepalm*

rolleyes:

 

[Professor Moriarty]

Please get back to us on this once you've gone out and purchased a clue.

Thank you.

*facepalm*

rolleyes:

Ahh i get it now, cry babies take it personal.

 

[Connor_Graham]

Ahh i get it now, cry babies take it personal.

No, you don't get it. That's the point. Maybe you should actually read the whole thread before making a post that is clueless.



Oh, and to answer your question, yes, I would try to solo the Slasher, and every other monster in the game for that matter.

It's what I do, ya know. (for you Canooks out there...)

 

[Lorelei Rage]

I must say I do not understand what all the ranting and raving is about. I have been to soooo many EM Events on ATL where I received easily 10 or more death robes (EM Eris's Doom Event was one of them). Are you upset because someone else received 100% of your insurance. What difference does it really make whether you died to a monster or another player? Think of it as you died to some crazed out monster the EM's thought up, like one of those shadowy hydra things with a ton of explosions going off lighting up your screen like a christmas tree. And if you wanted to get rid of those camping out the books you should have gotten on a stronger char and kicked their @&& just like you would have done to the monster. I mean does it really matter where the death robes come from?

 

[Professor Moriarty]

No, you don't get it. That's the point. Maybe you should actually read the whole thread before making a post that is clueless.



Oh, and to answer your question, yes, I would try to solo the Slasher, and every other monster in the game for that matter.

It's what I do, ya know. (for you Canooks out there...)

There is no need to read the whole thread and the other 20+ topics all saying the same thing.


I got killed by a red in felucca
Booohooo I cant take it I got killed BoooHoooo


Oh nooo i cant take it anymore the reds are way to hard for me to kill



See i did reed the thread from top to bottom

 

[Professor Moriarty]

I must say I do not understand what all the ranting and raving is about. I have been to soooo many EM Events on ATL where I received easily 10 or more death robes (EM Eris's Doom Event was one of them). Are you upset because someone else received 100% of your insurance. What difference does it really make whether you died to a monster or another player? Think of it as you died to some crazed out monster the EM's thought up, like one of those shadowy hydra things with a ton of explosions going off lighting up your screen like a christmas tree. And if you wanted to get rid of those camping out the books you should have gotten on a stronger char and kicked their @&& just like you would have done to the monster. I mean does it really matter where the death robes come from?

See some one else thinks just like me. Bet he read the whole post too

 

[Connor_Graham]

What difference does it really make whether you died to a monster or another player?

This question has been answered a million times. If you didn't catch it and/or understand it one of those times, I'm not going to be the one to repeat it yet again.

Think of it as you died to some crazed out monster the EM's thought up, like one of those shadowy hydra things with a ton of explosions going off lighting up your screen like a christmas tree.

Why do I need to "think of it" as anything other than what it is? Pretending a problem is something it isn't doesn't make the problem go away.

And if you wanted to get rid of those camping out the books you should have gotten on a stronger char and kicked their @&& just like you would have done to the monster. I mean does it really matter where the death robes come from?

Not possible. First, I'm no PvP'r, and neither are the majority of the players in this game, so even our strongest characters would stand very little chance. Second, people tried all day long to get onto the island and get to the book. Mostly they failed since the book was well camped all day long, with several of the "welcoming committee" standing directly on top of the book just to make things more difficult.

 

[Connor_Graham]

I got killed by a red in felucca
Booohooo I cant take it I got killed BoooHoooo


Oh nooo i cant take it anymore the reds are way to hard for me to kill

This wasn't said by anyone in the thread and is nothing more than an exaggeration that has nothing to do with why people are upset. Sorry, but misdirection only works in person.

See i did reed the thread from top to bottom

Maybe, but you sure didn't seem to comprehend it. Maybe read it a few more times and it'll make sense.

 

[Lorelei Rage]

Ok then lets go back as from some of the posts I have been reading here some didnt even bother to actually read the books. All they did was run their chars to the books and then to the chest to get their items.

Books 1 through 7 were the only ones with the Words of Power. You didnt have to go to the other books. Or wait I know someone was forcing you to recall they had the sword to your throat saying you have to go to fel and open this book.

So may I ask after you got the first char through and read the book and found out that there were no more books and nothing else to do, for now, did you run all your other chars through?

 

[Mairut]

Snippet:

Not possible. First, I'm no PvP'r, and neither are the majority of the players in this game, so even our strongest characters would stand very little chance. Second, people tried all day long to get onto the island and get to the book. Mostly they failed since the book was well camped all day long, with several of the "welcoming committee" standing directly on top of the book just to make things more difficult.

Did any of those people try talking to the pvprs? I'm pretty sure one or two on Atl had spirit speak.

I wouldn't ask if I didn't know for a fact that having good manners goes a long way in Fel. If anyone asked them politely if they could get the book and maybe get a gate, they (in all likelihood) would have let them. It also helps if people keep a good sense of humor in fel... some feed (as it were) off your anger and frustration.

Before anyone says it... no, you probably shouldn't have to ask politely of someone if you could finish the quest, but having good manners will get you things in game you wouldn't get otherwise. rolleyes:

Fyi... running from a red or most other pvpr's is like running from a bear. If you run, they WILL chase you. You'd be better off just playing dead or trying to reason with them. In other words, people need to quit acting like victims and try a different tact.

As far as what Lorie said... yes, it is actually possible for a bona fide trammelite to fight a pvpr, and I know because I've seen it. If you have a group of pvprs, get a group of your own to go fight them, although you'd actually be better off if you got more people in your group than they had.

 

[Professor Moriarty]

This wasn't said by anyone in the thread and is nothing more than an exaggeration that has nothing to do with why people are upset. Sorry, but misdirection only works in person.





Maybe, but you sure didn't seem to comprehend it. Maybe read it a few more times and it'll make sense.

I hear on one shard they all went on the general chat and got a big bunch of people to go at one time, then kick the ass of all the PK's.

Up to the point where this book was put in felucca there was no risk vs reward. It was all no risk vs all reward. But it looks like that’s the way you like it ehh...Just recall around a few spots to get a reward.

The devs knew exactly what they were doing, that why the book was in a area where there was no guards. No risk no reward ehh...

Here is hopping the do the same again.

FYI i too got my butt handed back to me a few times trying to get to the book. Know what i did? I got smart and used my soul stones and put hiding and stealth on each char before i went. Guess it just takes looking at it from a different prospective ehh!

 

[Connor_Graham]

I hear on one shard they all went on the general chat and got a big bunch of people to go at one time, then kick the ass of all the PK's.

Up to the point where this book was put in felucca there was no risk vs reward. It was all no risk vs all reward. But it looks like that’s the way you like it ehh...Just recall around a few spots to get a reward.

The devs knew exactly what they were doing, that why the book was in a area where there was no guards. No risk no reward ehh...

I don't play UO for the "risk" you seem to think everyone should be forced to experience. I play for fun, relaxation, and enjoyment. Getting an adrenaline rush from a video game is not something I need nor want, and the same can be said for most of the people that play the game. Take away the fun, relaxation, and enjoyment and you will see people quitting the game just as they did prior to Tram. No one wants to be forced into a playstyle they don't get any enjoyment from and they damn sure don't want their gameplay interrupted so they can be the source of someone else's enjoyment.

Here is hopping the do the same again.

So you want UO to shut down? Because that's what will happen if this becomes the norm instead of the exception. I know that if my normal gameplay starts forcing me to go to Fel to accomplish anything my normal game will not be UO any longer. I will sell my account to the highest bidder and find something else to occupy my time. I know quite a few people that feel exactly the same.

FYI i too got my butt handed back to me a few times trying to get to the book. Know what i did? I got smart and used my soul stones and put hiding and stealth on each char before i went. Guess it just takes looking at it from a different prospective ehh!

I guess I was smarter than you then, since I didn't die once, not even on my crafters.