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Moldering Ursine - Info, Guide, and Builds

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Bear I made for spawn events. Started Thursday night. Fastest magic skilling I have ever done.

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Have anyone tried getting more inteligence for greater mana regeneration?
My thinking is that Ursine seems to be training his mana rather quickly - due to life leech being casted pretty much every shot - so every 1.25 s it uses up 5 mana. At 368 inteligence, 120 medit and focus it regains 4.25 MPS (which translatets to 5.3125 per hit), which is sufficient just for upkeeping mana leeches. Sacrificing 56 strength (on average it should be 4 damage points) provides 5.16 MPS (which gives 6.45 per hit), allowing to cast spells like AI a lot more often (if mana is completly drained - every 30 seconds). It might be not worth losing 96 dmg per 30 seconds with chiv/ai, but maybe with other builds it's viable? Anyone tried something similar?
 
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Have anyone tried getting more inteligence for greater mana regeneration?
My thinking is that Ursine seems to be training his mana rather quickly - due to life leech being casted pretty much every shot - so every 1.25 s it uses up 5 mana. At 368 inteligence, 120 medit and focus it regains 4.25 MPS (which translatets to 5.3125 per hit), which is sufficient just for upkeeping mana leeches. Sacrificing 56 strength (on average it should be 4 damage points) provides 5.16 MPS (which gives 6.45 per hit), allowing to cast spells like AI a lot more often (if mana is completly drained - every 30 seconds). It might be not worth losing 96 dmg per 30 seconds with chiv/ai, but maybe with other builds it's viable? Anyone tried something similar?
Pets run off the 30MR. All chiv pets are at 0 Mana within 30 seconds or less. Life Leech is using mana also.
Mine were at 0 on the shadow ele while skilling. They were not using Life Leech.
That's why you match a pets damage to the target, so the normal hits do more damage. Damage is your goal.
More intelligence does not increase mana regen enough to matter.
Everyone would have a serpentine dragon if it did anything better than 700 str.

Someone PMed me about a Blaze Cu he bought that was built with 650 or so Str so he got a good deal. I told him it would be ok, just cast bless on it when its fighting. But, I am not going to encourage someone not to build a pet for PvM with less than 700 Str, Can bless and that goes to 790.
 
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Took a bear and two tritons to a bunch of Scalis with a group. Tritons ruled Bear needed constant heals.
 

Macc

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Pets run off the 30MR. All chiv pets are at 0 Mana within 30 seconds or less. Life Leech is using mana also.
Mine were at 0 on the shadow ele while skilling. They were not using Life Leech.
That's why you match a pets damage to the target, so the normal hits do more damage. Damage is your goal.
More intelligence does not increase mana regen enough to matter.
Everyone would have a serpentine dragon if it did anything better than 700 str.

Someone PMed me about a Blaze Cu he bought that was built with 650 or so Str so he got a good deal. I told him it would be ok, just cast bless on it when its fighting. But, I am not going to encourage someone not to build a pet for PvM with less than 700 Str, Can bless and that goes to 790.
Thank you for the reply :) appreciate your input that saves me a trip to test center. Have a great day!
 

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Because Scalis has the tainted life force and the bear has life leech.
I've never walked up and slapped him before. So I never paid attention to that ability. Thanks!

But the bear looked pretty cool standing up fighting him. I'll stick with the Tritons for him.
 

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Took a bear and two tritons to a bunch of Scalis with a group. Tritons ruled Bear needed constant heals.
Osiredon the Scalis Enforcer has Corrupted Life, Life Leech/Drain attempts will damage instead of heal. Corgul has Corrupted Life as well. Exodus has Null Life (can't Life Leech/Drain from him, but at least it doesn't damage you back).
 

Wharton

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Minion of Scelestus also has the tainted life force. Too bad there isn't a list somewhere to help keep track of all of the creatures with tainted life force. I found out the hard way with my life leech bow when battling scalis. LOL
 

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you need positive karma, to become chivalry an option. If your tamer has negative karma, then chivalry will not be an option to choose.
 

Montamero

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you need positive karma, to become chivalry an option. If your tamer has negative karma, then chivalry will not be an option to choose.
Well, that would explain it... I'm a Legendary Necromancer. Thanks! Glad to know its not me (in real life), its me (in game) that's jacked up!
 

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you need positive karma, to become chivalry an option. If your tamer has negative karma, then chivalry will not be an option to choose.
Next question, if I were to get positive karma to pick Chivalry, then go negative again, would it drop? (Like how Parry drops if your wrestling falls below 100.) If so, any siggestions now that Chiv/AI is no longer an option (I already picked AI).
 

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you only need the positive karma to choose chivalry. It will not drop, if you get your negative karma back again.
 

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Great! Now to spend the weekend undoing 10,000+ negative karma for approximately 1 minute...
i see daemons at the fire temple fel side in your very near future.
 

Ivory Norwind

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Very cool pet. 2 => 5 slots.
Bought from Shattered Sanctum Event.
Open yours in Tokuno to get all the Active Magic options.
I stayed a little behind and it was something I already wanted to ask. But where do they find? Your guide seems excellent to me, but I first have to have an Ursine :) You wrote 'Bought from Shattered Sanctum Even'. Please, can you explain it to me? I can't always read the forum, too many things to translate and in the end I get tired. And in any case many things are impossible to translate and understand in Italian :( So I'm sorry, but I need help! Thanks !!:love:
 

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I stayed a little behind and it was something I already wanted to ask. But where do they find? Your guide seems excellent to me, but I first have to have an Ursine :) You wrote 'Bought from Shattered Sanctum Even'. Please, can you explain it to me? I can't always read the forum, too many things to translate and in the end I get tired. And in any case many things are impossible to translate and understand in Italian :( So I'm sorry, but I need help! Thanks !!:love:
They were one of the items you could buy in the city invasion event that has ended.
 

Ivory Norwind

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They were one of the items you could buy in the city invasion event that has ended.
Ok, I managed to have 2. Now I try to read everything you wrote (I'll do it morning :( ) I only need one thing, they must be 'open' in a particular place? Pawain says that he did it in Ten Mur. Is there a particular reason?
Another thing, which just does not convince me, but in general with all the pets. Chivalry. I have a Triton with Chivalry but sometimes it cast spells ad area and makes me meet other unwanted monsters. But do you really need Chivalry so much? Isn't it better not to put it and save the points for something else? Thanks!
 
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Ok, I managed to have 2. Now I try to read everything you wrote (I'll do it morning :( ) I only need one thing, they must be 'open' in a particular place? Pawain says that he did it in Ten Mur. Is there a particular reason?
Another thing, which just does not convince me, but in general with all the pets. Chivalry. I have a Triton with Chivalry but sometimes it cast spells ad area and makes me meet other unwanted monsters. But do you really need Chivalry so much? Isn't it better not to put it and save the points for something else? Thanks!
Open them in Tokuno so you have the option of all magics.

Chivalry AI/Chivalry pets do the most single target damage. The more damage these do, the more Life they leech back.
 

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how are you finding that build?
A current spawning 2 slot mare will have a better magery build.

The bears life leech is based on the amount of damage they do. Magery pets do not do much melee damage unless they have AI. AI would be what is killing the pirates, way slower than an AI/Chiv pet.

Costs almost 1500 points to put Magery Mastery on the bears.
 

Ivory Norwind

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Open them in Tokuno so you have the option of all magics.

Chivalry AI/Chivalry pets do the most single target damage. The more damage these do, the more Life they leech back.
Ok, open to Tokuno. Yes, it has Life Leech. I feel a stupid but I still haven't understood what it is to. I mean AI. I have always thought artificial intelligence but how do you get? It's a foolish question but I never asked and therefore I don't know :(
 

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A current spawning 2 slot mare will have a better magery build.

The bears life leech is based on the amount of damage they do. Magery pets do not do much melee damage unless they have AI. AI would be what is killing the pirates, way slower than an AI/Chiv pet.

Costs almost 1500 points to put Magery Mastery on the bears.
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Pawain

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Come to Baja to see my bear
Dread pirate is not going to damage your bear. Its about the time to kill in this case. I'm sure you have a Magery Mastery Nightmare that you could time on 2 Pirates each and tell us the times.

If the bear is faster, is it worth the Millions they would cost now vs a free 2 slot Nightmare.

Bear has better animation and has cooler sounds IMO, so toss that in the equation also. :p

But if you have a 2 slot new color Nightmare, then that could be a determiner.

If Tigers could get Magery Mastery, I would definitely consider using one on a Dread Pirate, even if they took a little longer to kill it, for the sound and animations.
 
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Dread pirate is not going to damage your bear. Its about the time to kill in this case. I'm sure you have a Magery Mastery Nightmare that you could time on 2 Pirates each and tell us the times.

If the bear is faster, is it worth the Millions they would cost now vs a free 2 slot Nightmare.

Bear has better animation and has cooler sounds IMO, so toss that in the equation also. :p

But if you have a 2 slot new color Nightmare, then that could be a determiner.

If Tigers could get Magery Mastery, I would definitely consider using one on a Dread Pirate, even if they took a little longer to kill it, for the sound and animations.
Yes my bear is a badass and well worth the money
 

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Yes my bear is a badass and well worth the money
Since hopefully you are the only one that put magery on your bear, you would be the one that could time it on Pirates.

Sounds like you like it because it is a Bear no matter how fast it kills one. Which is fine.
 

Ivory Norwind

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That's what I mean the intensity is the value of this pet. Closest thing is a 2 slot Reptalon, I'm not sure why players don't use Reptalons much, maybe the dragon breath.
I had 2 reptalon with 2 slots. If well trained they are really strong. I keep them dear them :) . However I prefer the tritons, now, even if I don't know how it will become my Ursine, after the train
 

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A little question. I am training my first Ursine and I try to follow what Pawain said. I have never used AI. With my pet I do not make Champion and for now I only go against other monsters. I's usefull, in this case or does it only work if I fight against a boss? I don't know whether to put disco instead of AI. And Poison and Chivalry. I hope I explained myself well!
 

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A little question. I am training my first Ursine and I try to follow what Pawain said. I have never used AI. With my pet I do not make Champion and for now I only go against other monsters. I's usefull, in this case or does it only work if I fight against a boss? I don't know whether to put disco instead of AI. And Poison and Chivalry. I hope I explained myself well!
You should put AI on it.

Discord, poison and chivalry are magics. You can only have one of those.

Since you have never used AI. You should put AI and chivalry on it.

Discord would work better with a Triton or Cu Sidhe.
 

Ivory Norwind

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You should put AI on it.
Discord, poison and chivalry are magics. You can only have one of those.
Since you have never used AI. You should put AI and chivalry on it.
Discord would work better with a Triton or Cu Sidhe.
In the Cu Sidhe and Triton I have both Poison and Disco. Now in the first step (Ursine) I have already put Poison. Now I'm doing the second step. I will be able to put both chivalry and AI? I didn't know of this thing. That two magic cannot be put. But in the Cu Sidhe I put both Poison and Disco. And a Triton has Poison and Chivalry. And it went well. So now that I already have poison you say that I can't put both chivalry and AI. What if I can't? I can't remove Poison :( Have I combined a mess? What do I put now, since I want chivalry?
 

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In the Cu Sidhe and Triton I have both Poison and Disco. Now in the first step (Ursine) I have already put Poison. Now I'm doing the second step. I will be able to put both chivalry and AI? I didn't know of this thing. That two magic cannot be put. But in the Cu Sidhe I put both Poison and Disco. And a Triton has Poison and Chivalry. And it went well. So now that I already have poison you say that I can't put both chivalry and AI. What if I can't? I can't remove Poison :( Have I combined a mess? What do I put now, since I want chivalry?
There is a poison section above.

Poison Build

Unfortunately The Life Leech does not allow a good Poison Build for these.

You can add Poison Magic and open new Area Abilities but You can not add anything else.
The poison starts at 20, you would need to increase to 100 before moving on.

You can make This: Add poison, add Poison breath, then a new Magic
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This: Add Poison and AI, then a Magic. (This would be your bear since you added poison already.)
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@Ivory Norwind

You can add more than one magic to pets but the pet will use the last magic you add as an active magic. In all cases other than poison that first magic will go away and not be used if you add two magics directly.

You should copy pets to test center and build them there first, so you knbow you can get what you want.
 

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@Ivory Norwind

You can add more than one magic to pets but the pet will use the last magic you add as an active magic. In all cases other than poison that first magic will go away and not be used if you add two magics directly.

You should copy pets to test center and build them there first, so you knbow you can get what you want.
Don't Ninjitsu/bush also work for abilities like frenzied whirlwind and feint?

That being said, I agree with Pawain here.


You can: a) Add armor ignore then chivalry, and deal with some wasted points put into poisoning, or
b) Add venomous bite or poison breath and chiv and lose out on the armor ignore., or
c) Go poison + armor ignore or some combination maybe?

Armor Ignore is a massive damage dealer, so I would recommend going A personally. The pet will lose out on some stats, etc., but that is the cost of not testing first.
 

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Don't Ninjitsu/bush also work for abilities like frenzied whirlwind and feint?
Yes but those are added as requirements for those abilities. They would act as passive magics if you get them that way.
With passive ninja your pet won't hide.

But if you choose ninja from the magics menu, your pet will hide and do ninja attacks.
 

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There is a poison section above.
Poison Build
Unfortunately The Life Leech does not allow a good Poison Build for these.
This: Add Poison and AI, then a Magic. (This would be your bear since you added poison already.)
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In any case, I lose Life Leech. So now I already have Poison. To the second step I add chivalry and AI to the way that AI is the last magic? And I lose Life Leech. I have never asked anyone and even if I have used tamers for years as a favorite character, I still don't know how to train the pets well :( Are there instructions on how to make the various train? Sorry for ignorance, but English is always an obstacle :( And thanks for your patience!
 

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In any case, I lose Life Leech. So now I already have Poison. To the second step I add chivalry and AI to the way that AI is the last magic? And I lose Life Leech. I have never asked anyone and even if I have used tamers for years as a favorite character, I still don't know how to train the pets well :( Are there instructions on how to make the various train? Sorry for ignorance, but English is always an obstacle :( And thanks for your patience!
No. Life leech can not be removed.

The order would be:
1. Armor ignore
2. Chivalry

AI is not a magic, you need to put it on before chivalry.

The first two posts in this thread have a step by step guide.
 

Ivory Norwind

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The order would be:
1. Armor ignore
2. Chivalry
AI is not a magic, you need to put it on before chivalry.
Uff, I think I have finally understood. I should study all the various magic well but then I clash with impossible translations and leave it alone. And so I find myself I don't know anything. By chance there is a guide on how to deal with all the various specialties and how can they be combined with each other? I've never found anything.
 

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The first two posts in this thread have a step by step guide.
In fact, I'm trying to follow her, but many things don't tell me. For example, the fact that two Magic cannot be put. And, I told you I am ignorant, I don't know what all those skills mean because I don't know them and there is no place where it explains in simple words. For this I asked you if there is a guide that explains well what can be done. For example, I didn't know that if I put Poison I can't put certain other things. Be patient, please :sad3:
 

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In fact, I'm trying to follow her, but many things don't tell me. For example, the fact that two Magic cannot be put. And, I told you I am ignorant, I don't know what all those skills mean because I don't know them and there is no place where it explains in simple words. For this I asked you if there is a guide that explains well what can be done. For example, I didn't know that if I put Poison I can't put certain other things. Be patient, please :sad3:
This post tells you where everything you can add to a pet comes from.

 

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This post tells you where everything you can add to a pet comes from.
Your guide helped me but it didn't tell me everything. I went where you said, on UO-Cah.com and there I found all the various Pets skills, what they mean and what they do. In addition to your guide, this is exactly what I was looking for! Now I understand what the various skills do, how to use them and everything else. And your guide is the icing on the cake (it is an Italian way of saying that it means that it is the thing that has crowned everything, in a positive sense)! Thanks for the patience ! :love:
 

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Your guide helped me but it didn't tell me everything. I went where you said, on UO-Cah.com and there I found all the various Pets skills, what they mean and what they do. In addition to your guide, this is exactly what I was looking for! Now I understand what the various skills do, how to use them and everything else. And your guide is the icing on the cake (it is an Italian way of saying that it means that it is the thing that has crowned everything, in a positive sense)! Thanks for the patience ! :love:
The problem is, only Armor ignore is useful for the average thing that we fight. A lot of those sound good on paper, but they are no where near as good as Armor Ignore.

Just like warriors use weapons with Armor ignore when they are fighting a tough mob.
 

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The problem is, only Armor ignore is useful for the average thing that we fight. A lot of those sound good on paper, but they are no where near as good as Armor Ignore.
Just like warriors use weapons with Armor ignore when they are fighting a tough mob.
Do you mean that as I pulled it chivalry doesn't work? Or Poison? On TC I went there but many years ago. Generally I never do the tests there and I don't care about what happens. For example, I know you can copy a char but I don't know how. It is difficult to juggle among so many posts that I don't understand, I can't always translate, read a forum is a huge stress :( Generally English I know it enough, but yours is a set of absurd words, abbreviations etc.). Drops is translated into 'gocce'. shard in 'frammenti' and you cannot imagine other things. Do you know that after translating I read what I have to send and I always find errors in English that I also have to correct myself? Okay, I complained enough. Excuse me
 

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Do you mean that as I pulled it chivalry doesn't work? Or Poison? On TC I went there but many years ago. Generally I never do the tests there and I don't care about what happens. For example, I know you can copy a char but I don't know how. It is difficult to juggle among so many posts that I don't understand, I can't always translate, read a forum is a huge stress :( Generally English I know it enough, but yours is a set of absurd words, abbreviations etc.). Drops is translated into 'gocce'. shard in 'frammenti' and you cannot imagine other things. Do you know that after translating I read what I have to send and I always find errors in English that I also have to correct myself? Okay, I complained enough. Excuse me
No, Im talking about special abilities and special moves. Armor ignore is the best one for general fighting.

Chivalry is the most damaging Magic ability.

Add Armor Ignore then Chivalry to your bear and it will do the most damage for you.
 

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Chivalry is the most damaging Magic ability.
Add Armor Ignore then Chivalry to your bear and it will do the most damage for you.
I pulled a Triton with Poison and Chivalry. But attacking a spiritually cu Sidhe I found myself dead in a moment without knowing why. There was a nearby satirus paragon. Is it possible that the Pet cast Spells in the area and also caught the satyr who obviously killed me? That's why I'm afraid to put Chivalry. Since then I always use Poison and Disco (since I don't know the other skills). From now i'll always put AI, and I will learn to use other options too.
 
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