No...if you lose connection your character still logs out after 5 minutes
Of course I'm not going to suggest that ranting is bad, it does help let publishers know if we don't like something. Rather I'm suggesting that it hinders any attempts at a consensus if someone does nothing but criticize others and add nothing to the discussion. It is the attempts at getting a consensus on what we want that helps give them a direction on where to go in improving it.
You do but your pet doesn't at least not always. This was the reason that pets logged out the instant you do now.
I very much doubt that they'd hire devs that incompetent
No but this game isn't exactly bug free given its history. Change A to B is never that simple in UO given how old this game is.
I laughed at this.
I like the 1st idea as a good compromise to fix some of the issues.
If the issue were that if you lost conn, and when that happened, an item had a chance of being lost, I am sure the outcry would be quite loud. Just because it is a tamer issue does not mean that the bug is insignificant.
I like gorbs idea up earlier, it actually makes a lot of sense, if you disconnect while a pet is out it's killed and immediately stabled as a ghost, combine that with taking away a pets ability to "join" you while in spawn and other non-teleport areas and the exploits are closed and the pets are still safe.
Would that be in conjunction with changing the pet summoning balls so they work in Ilshenar and the Abyss?
Especially since they DID use to work in the non-spawn areas of Ilshenar, until a few years ago.
Why? I can't gate there, why should a pet be able to teleport there.
Well, then, I guess if you get disconnected in either place while using a weapon, the weapon should go to your bank box and you'll have to go retrieve it.
I hadn't read the posts here for a day or so. I think Mervyn is new. He doesn't really realize the ramifications of his ideas or huge mistakes that have been made in the past. (Remember when you could smelt bods? LOL!) So give him a break and explain why you're laughing.
Special compensation for tamers has been made for years. It's why tamers are "hated" by so many people.
disconnecting a dexxer generally means dead & rummaged anyways, so by all means send all my gear to the bank for me for free! it would save me millions!
Exactly Tina
So you don't insure your weapon? Silly then
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This is just this weeks 'abuse' change it and another will be there next week and basically everyone gets screwed in the process including the majority of Tram players who do NOT have a problem, by the 'few' that want to pvp with tamers. Personally IMO you shouldn't be able to pvp with Tamers or summons, it should be spells or whacky sticks only.
Personally, I agree with you on that, my personal opinion is that pvp with pets is not pvp at all, it is non-consensual pvm.it is the same for 'both' sides of the fight, am sure each faction/guild has it's own share of tamers all using the same tactics, if not then suggest you guild some in
Yes, at one point if you placed a house over a pet it would get crushed and disappear forever, but you'd still have a spot taken by a pet. Never to be seen again :S Im sure there were more issues similar too.
Not just Fel all game areas and let the pet be killed by spawn or players. Why should the pet not suffer skill loss? thats like telling me i can place a bet on the football for a team to win and if they loose i still get my money.... irish. Youve taken your pet out to fight if it dies it looses skill if u get con loss and it dies you loose skill points it happens.
Well nothing changes since you can do exactly the same thing with a petball, ok you save a charge but you also stay in game with all bars and such up.
Almost, but this "trick" is used in non-teleport areas, and that would require bothering to pay for pet balls (which need to be replaced once you use them too much like a BOS). On siege they're a whopping 10k or so gold and lootable on death so people are even MORE afraid to carry them.
And again, it means a tamer doesn't need vet skill - heal with magery and log out to prevent death. An extra 100-120 skill points in a tight template is pretty useful if you can avoid the pet death inconveniences by logging out heh. 
Exactly what I've been saying. It's not just something that effects tamers who obviously can't PvP.... This is something you are talking about that will effect ANYONE with pets. Folk with horses, folk with packies, folk with ferrets, even Golems, and many other pets. Think before you condemn with your ideals. Yes a few bad apples do indeed use the feature as a crutch.... but honestly is that so bad that you have to call for a change that will basically harm FAR more than it helps.
I would say that people abuse this insta log out/pet retrieval in trammel more than in fel. I'm talking about pvm where tamers will attack a boss and insta log their pet out because it's going to die. Also i know lots of people (myself not discluded) who will go into area where you can't use a pet ball and summon a pet in by logging out and in.
I admit to doing this, but don't log out to save my pet. A 0.1 point is stat loss is nothing, and my tamer has Vet skill to resurrect my pet.
Some of us tamers do have crafters and non tamers too
In fact most tamers have at least a few non tamers. I want this coding fixed so nobody loses a pet for good, and a timer is not going to delete your pet. It simply stops someone from hauling a pet out of a fight by logging out. That's it. Once the timer passes, your pet would either end up in the stables or log out beside you. But if there is any non-tamer fallout from this change, it would extend to me too so I'm hardly going to suggest a change that nerfs some of my favourite characters.
I'll have you know I have 6 tamers... I very rarely log in and out to avoid my pets death. Death happens. However when my pet is in trouble and stuck and won't follow me I don't want to have to have some stinking timer on it preventing me from doing things in the midst of something important causing all manner of havoc because some whiners in fel can't deal with a tamer. And when I lose connection which I do on a sadly regular basis and I know I'm not alone... I'm glad to know my pet is safe.Some of us tamers do have crafters and non tamers too
And again, this is not Fel BS or something that just a few players do. If you are standing by a tamer when they bail out with a lot of spawn on their dragon, you're in trouble. I have seen players killed by this, and I've had pets die when they got swamped too quick for me to save them. Tamers logging out and pulling pets are a liability on any facet, and they're not a rarity. I would hope it was, nothing makes me want to kick stuff than seeing tamers screwing around...but they do and I think it needs fixing.
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Exploiters should be banned...
Yup, my pets die when I can't vet them fast enough, I can honestly say I've never logged to save them. It never occurred to me. That's why my suggestion had the pets immediately autostabled - in the stable, with a delay on claiming them out when you logged back in. The pets are safe.
The solution for that is to fix pets so they can be "unstuck" without players resorting to logging out. Logging out and pet balling should never be necessary if your pet gets caught on a rock. It should be possible to use the come command and the pet unsticks itself and returns to your side. Oddly enough, if I herd a stuck pet to follow me, it can un-stick from a rock by itself. It's wierd, but true. It's like they use a different pathfinding method for herding vs following a tamer's commands.
As I've said in my last post, stuck pets need to be fixed. But not by keeping the log out trick so we can use it to fix the problem ourselves. The pets need to be fixed. It's an inconvenience having to log out and in to un-stick a pet, and at times it really isn't convenient.
The log out delay is actually a very good bit of code - it gives you the perfect reason to stand up, have a stretch and take a little break from gaming. Or in my case, make a cuppa and refresh forums.
The pet is safe and you are up a creek without a paddle... NO warrior has to log in and out because their weapon got stuck... and no warrior has to log back in after a system crash without their armor and weapon...... nor does any mage.... why should Tamers?
I certainly do know you can PvP in Trammel I've done it for YEARS. Most tram groups that PvP don't use lame Fel tactics to do it. The log out delay is totally lame and has been for YEARS. Killing a mongbat because i auto shoot as an archer should NEVER force me to have to wait to switch characters. It is and always was one of the lamest fixes ever put into the game. And I would TOTALLY understand it IF I was PvPing..... however killing a mongbat or some other such similar piece of **** is NOT PvP and should not cause the delay.As I've said in my last post, stuck pets need to be fixed. But not by keeping the log out trick so we can use it to fix the problem ourselves. The pets need to be fixed. It's an inconvenience having to log out and in to un-stick a pet, and at times it really isn't convenient.
If pet balls are improved, pets can't stick on terrain and there is actually a timer which will log your pets out when you have been fighting that is going to enhance and secure your taming experience. Not harm it. You would have no reason to log out during a game session so this timer would have no effect. And if you drop connection (as we all do) then yes, a pet might die. But you won't lose it, and that was the point of the bonding system. Not to prevent pet death, to prevent their loss from unbonding and going wild.
As for the anti Fel stuff, really Fel has been in game long before Tram and the log out timer has been in for years. You do realise that people do PvP in Tram too, don't you? Rules concerning PvP are going to be applied to the places where PvP can occur. Which is everywhere, albeit Tram PvP is kinda sucky. Just be glad you didn't get the stamina and blocking rule that Fel has had forever, because I can only imagine the screams if folks couldn't push through monsters in dungeons any more
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