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How to move Pvp To Siege and keep it active

Tanivar

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Way to selectively answer my post too.

I really don't care if you think I have something to hide, you're bringing no arguments or points to this thread and are just fishing for personal attacks.
You've successfully given that impression your hiding something haven't you.

You did the extreme prodo fel ashat routine with your character here to the point he's that well known and loathed by that many? Should have kept in mind that your character's behavior and reputation was something he was going to have to live with. Working to change that reputation is going to be a bear. but it can be made into what he was, not who he can become in the future. It just takes time and better behavior. Save the ashat character scene for your prodo home shard where he's lost in the crowd.
 

Tanivar

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About the only people that buy the crafted suits are people that have not invested in soul stones.
From the impression I've gotten suits sell here. Many players don't want to waste their playtime building suits, they'd rather pay someone else to do it.
 

Pawain

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Way to selectively answer my post too.

I really don't care if you think I have something to hide, you're bringing no arguments or points to this thread and are just fishing for personal attacks.
I think you are Cobbs alt. Neither of you can even write a post that proves you actually play. All you do is pretend you play and complain about your fantasy experience. Neither of you will answer a direct question either. Dont reply if you dont post what guild you played in on Siege.

Its pretty easy to prove you play. Here I am playing and posting.

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Can you prove any of your fantasy story?
 

WhiteWitch

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I haven't been "milked" I bought all of my Siege soul stones because I didn't want to have to rely on someone else to craft for me.
eh?!?

If you had a free char slot you would have saved £10 or whatever it is and put those craft skills on another char like regular shards, but you couldnt so you bought a soul stone, thus you were milked....
 

GarthGrey

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eh?!?

If you had a free char slot you would have saved £10 or whatever it is and put those craft skills on another char like regular shards, but you couldnt so you bought a soul stone, thus you were milked....
No, I've never been a fan of logging out on my fencer and then logging in on my carpenter either.
 

Martell

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You've successfully given that impression your hiding something haven't you.

You did the extreme prodo fel ashat routine with your character here to the point he's that well known and loathed by that many? Should have kept in mind that your character's behavior and reputation was something he was going to have to live with. Working to change that reputation is going to be a bear. but it can be made into what he was, not who he can become in the future. It just takes time and better behavior. Save the ashat character scene for your prodo home shard where he's lost in the crowd.
LOL the only reason I posted in this thread was because you attempted to inflate your own ego and wrote a baseless post that prodo pvpers didn't like Siege because they were 'scared to lose their uber suits.'

I just wrote to say that this has nothing to do with it. This thread is about getting pvpers to Siege. In my opinion/experience, people don't like or play Siege because....it's Siege. The rules and players stink.
 

Martell

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I think you are Cobbs alt. Neither of you can even write a post that proves you actually play. All you do is pretend you play and complain about your fantasy experience. Neither of you will answer a direct question either. Dont reply if you dont post what guild you played in on Siege.

Its pretty easy to prove you play. Here I am playing and posting.

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Can you prove any of your fantasy story?
Ah the old "guilty till proven innocent mentality." Bravo.

Sorry that I actually provide constructive posts, am open to counter points, and got your pets nerfed.

Have yet to see you post a relevant/articulate post in any thread you partake in.
 

Tyrath

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eh?!?

If you had a free char slot you would have saved £10 or whatever it is and put those craft skills on another char like regular shards, but you couldnt so you bought a soul stone, thus you were milked....
Because 7 Characters per acct is not enough on Prodo.......... Gotta have everything from gm to legendary stoned so you can build the right templates fast :) A bit more difficult on Siege because of the stats not being right....... Would make my day if they sold Stat Stones. A second or even third character slot on really would not change much in the dynamics.

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Now on Siege we do tend to get a little carried away with our soul stones :)

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Tanivar

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LOL the only reason I posted in this thread was because you attempted to inflate your own ego and wrote a baseless post that prodo pvpers didn't like Siege because they were 'scared to lose their uber suits.'

I just wrote to say that this has nothing to do with it. This thread is about getting pvpers to Siege. In my opinion/experience, people don't like or play Siege because....it's Siege. The rules and players stink.
:rolleyes:
 

Tjalle

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Sorry that I actually provide constructive posts
None in this thread though.
Only a what seems to be BS story that you can´t seem to back up.
But hey, keep up with those evasive posts. You only prove our points. ;)
 

Pawain

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and got your pets nerfed.
None of my pets got nerfed. And to prove my point. You clearly have not been to the taming forum.
That proves you still live in a fantasy world where you know everything about pets.

How many constructive post have you made about the game?

Here are a few of mine I could find in about 5 mins.

Tsuki Wolf

Generic Starter Template For Cu like pets.

Saurosauros

Dragon Wolf

Mystic Cu Sidhe

Gallusaurus

Wild Tiger

Frost Mite

Lion

Najasaurus

Iron Beetle

Raptor

Platinum and Crimson Drakes

Dimetrosaur
 

Martell

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None in this thread though.
Only a what seems to be BS story that you can´t seem to back up.
But hey, keep up with those evasive posts. You only prove our points. ;)
I've stated that a luck bonus isn't going to attract people to Siege. From talking to pvpers I know, they don't like Siege because of the skills gains, the one char limit, and the crappy community that is already there. My own experience pretty much confirms everything and I've stated it in greater details over the years and I don't really care to re-hash it now that this game is pretty much dead.

What suggestions have you offered as a way to improve Siege?

If you think it's fine as is, go ahead and continue to enjoy your single-player/closed-community gaming style...
 
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Martell

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None of my pets got nerfed. And to prove my point. You clearly have not been to the taming forum.
That proves you still live in a fantasy world where you know everything about pets.

How many constructive post have you made about the game?

Here are a few of mine I could find in about 5 mins.

Tsuki Wolf

Generic Starter Template For Cu like pets.

Saurosauros

Dragon Wolf

Mystic Cu Sidhe

Gallusaurus

Wild Tiger

Frost Mite

Lion

Najasaurus

Iron Beetle

Raptor

Platinum and Crimson Drakes

Dimetrosaur
I'm not going to bother to link all of my posts but you know I and others provided examples and stated the argument as to why pets shouldn't move at mounted speed, why they should take/deal more/less damage, why overcapped pets should be nerfed, why they shouldn't spam specials, and why they shouldn't teleport/cast from off-screen...

You thought everything was fine and simply said "quit whining" and "what a hoot."

Too bad the devs didn't see any merit in your posts.

What have you contributed to this thread too? Siege (like pets) are just a-ok and the shard is thriving?
 

Martell

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Neither is thriving in PvP. Are you proud of that?
I don't see what my pride has to do with any of this...

1) I don't care that Siege isn't thriving. I didn't enjoy playing there and I've clearly explained why. The devs can do something about slow skill gains and the character limit if they feel like it (again, what have you contributed to this thread?).

2) I'm not proud but I am quite glad that pets don't have an outsized role in pvp now (although I also think this was too little, too late for a lot of folks and the initial release was fubar). I am glad though that it now takes more than just saying "all kill" to be effective with them.

PS. I think the person who said something about housing on Siege being limiting also had a good point but I personally don't care about housing so that aspect never bothered me.
 

Tyrath

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1) I don't care that Siege isn't thriving. I didn't enjoy playing there and I've clearly explained why. The devs can do something about slow skill gains and the character limit if they feel like it
For someone that doesn't care you sure do make a lot of words about it :)
 

Max Blackoak

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just to make something clear:

when I said the fel luck bonus would help, I didn't mean that would be a way to attract and keep players. It would help getting better gear more easily, that's all.

also please note that after briefly skimming the posts above I have not seen a single active Siege PvPer who posted here except for myself (sorry if I missed someone). please keep that in mind when making assumptions about Siege PvP based on the posts above. I am not saying I am better than these people or some kind of PvP god, but I actually do PvP on Siege (albeit with all the ping limitations a European player has to face).
There are decent PvPers on Siege, however most of them don't read UHall, heck most of them don't even post on the Siege board.

the thing that would attract people the most would simply be more PvPers on Siege. now if all those PvP guilds from production servers would come to Siege at the same time instead of taking turns they would see more action and get more fights. in the past the situation usually was that guild a from shard x showed up, complained about lack of action and left. in came guild b from shard y, complained about lack of action and left. etc.

on rare occasions guild a and guild b would show up at the same time but funnily enough in most cases they did not fight each other but rather worked together or ignored the other guild. not complaining, just pointing out that they could have had more action right there.

the second thing that would probably help to attract and keep players would be a decent guide that explains how to build decent suits around a single blessed items. most prodo players rely too much on what they're used to from Atl or other shards - an environment where they can simply buy anything they might need and a community that provides all the information on suits and templates one could ever want. all the prodo server knowledge has to be adapted for Siege because noone can easily replace a crimson cincture etc. and templates can usually not rely on legendary items with +20 in several skills, so real skill matters more on Siege. it is very tedious and takes a lot of thinking outside the production shard box to adapt and I found that many were struggling with this when they moved to Siege. If anybody truly wants to make the move and needs advice there, feel free to contact me and I'll be happy to help.

about insurance: yes it would make things easier but I am completely against it. I like how Siege was largely based on a risk vs. reward system and would like to keep it that way. You want to wear a high end suit that helps you kill people faster and provides more survivability? Go ahead but you will risk loosing it one day. You can't afford to loose high end items but still wanna PvP? Go ahead and use a cheaper suit that will provide less punch and less survivability in exchange for being able to get up and running again quickly after you have been killed and looted.

another thing that PvPers from production shards didn't like was being called out for cheating (the definition of what that actually is varies). there are people on Siege who will spend a lot of time looking for videos that proove that player a is using illegal client x or cheat program y and they'll call you out.
I am usually reluctant when it comes to accusations of cheating. this game is full of bugs that lead to inexplicable lags, client crashes and other odd behavior that will have a negative efect on your PvP experience. In my opinion people are way too fast to accuse others of cheating when something happens they can't immediately explain. In many cases it is either a lack of knowledge about game mechanics on their part, a lack of knowledge about bugs and sometimes even a lack of skill. in some cases, however, it is simply blatantly obvious that a player is using cheats to do things he shouldn't be able to do (e.g. looting blessed items, outrunning mounted players while on foot etc.). those people will find it hard to find anyone who wants to fight them and they will find it even harder to find anyone to trade with.

there are also people who complained about being blacklisted by the Siege community. this usually was because they killed and looted players from a certain big guild. please keep in mind that said guild is not the entire Siege population.
also I don't blame them for blacklisting anyone - heck I wouldn't want to help someone who killed and looted me the other day. If anything then I would want to find and kill that player. if their way of revenge is blacklisting you then that's their choice. that doesn't mean you can't make it on Siege though. the one character rule on Siege forces you to own your reputation. but even the worst of the worst have found ways to deal with being blacklisted by that big guild and so can you. so please don't come crying "Siege has blacklisted me" when in reality it is only a certain guild.

so again, if you truly want to give Siege a shot feel free to contact me and I'm sure I'll be able to help you at least a little bit. we can use more people on Siege but we don't need them desperately enough to turn Siege into just another production shard.
 

Tjalle

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I've stated that a luck bonus isn't going to attract people to Siege. From talking to pvpers I know, they don't like Siege because of the skills gains, the one char limit, and the crappy community that is already there. My own experience pretty much confirms everything and I've stated it in greater details over the years and I don't really care to re-hash it now that this game is pretty much dead.

What suggestions have you offered as a way to improve Siege?

If you think it's fine as is, go ahead and continue to enjoy your single-player/closed-community gaming style...
And your char and guild names were?
 

Uvtha

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Tell me what insurance would "ruin" for you ? And Frejas suit vendor sales doesn't count.I can only speak for me, but I didn't come to Siege because I longed for the fear and excitement that comes from thinking you might lose something valuable, I'm a grown up and don't care about that. I came to Siege back in 09 because it was the most active forum on stratics and because I was tired of reading it and not being a part of it. Would I use insurance if they added it ? Well yeah, Ive lost a lot of stuff to just monsters looting it when I died and sometimes it's a pain to replace it. But that's not why I came to Siege, and I doubt that's why many others did and still remain here. So explain to me what will be ruined for YOU, if this happens. I'm going to count the number of times you use the word "I" in your explanation too. Mine was (11).


**waits**
I didn't move all my play time to siege (in like... 2004 I wanna say?) because of chasing some thrill (makes no sense, if I just wanted a thrill I could run with no insurance on a fel shard), I became a full time sieger because it has (had) a robust and accessible economy, and gearing was more equitable, and those who were willing to take risks got rewarded. Those things are all at least largely if not completely dependant on item loss.

If you put insurance on siege... what exactly is the point of siege? The idea of risk vs reward is gone, the reigns on item inflation are gone... it ends up nothing more than fel with more limited skillgain, and only one character slot, with fewer people.

I've said it a dozen times over the years, and It's not a threat or anything (no one cares) but I would be done with whatever is left of my UO time if siege got insurance. If that's what everyone wants I guess it's my time to move on, but I really don't understand why people even play on a shard with a ruleset they seem not to like and instead of moving back to prodo (which seems to be what they are actually looking for) they argue to dismantle the only unique ruleset shard (unless you count mugen) the game has.

Hope I said "I" enough times for you for my feelings to be counted as valid! Thanks in advance for considering my opinion! :rolleyes:
 
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Uvtha

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From the impression I've gotten suits sell here. Many players don't want to waste their playtime building suits, they'd rather pay someone else to do it.
The problem with suits isn't that they don't sell, it's that they are a pain in the ass to make. I used to craft suits, and while it was fun to be a helpful part of the economy as a crafter, it was just too pricey and annoying to keep up. THIS is part of the only real problem siege has IMO, that it gets no explicit dev time to adjust things to meet the challenges. THIS is what people should fight for. Not to make the shard more prodo but to make the shard more siege, more unique.
If devs would do something as simple as increase the regular gem drop from mining, as well as adjusting loot tables on sensible monsters to drop 10x more gems, crafting suits would be sooooooo much cheaper. Not only that it would create a new market for gems (a new source of revenue especially for new people and the resource hunting inclined), which are very, very, hard to find in bulk. In fact you can only find them in bulk from the npcs which are overpriced and against the spirit of player interdependence the ruleset is meant to foster.

I could go on about improvements that would make imbuing 100x better like being able to replicate a complete list of mods with one click instead of adding mod for mod so you could make a whole suit with just 5-6 clicks, but I know expecting something complex like that is a pie in the sky wish. Adjusting drop rates on gems and other resources on the other hand requires little to no actual dev time (I'd imagine, though I could be wrong not knowing the code). Of course they idiotically have stated that they are unwilling to make shard specific changes despite the fact the shard specific ruleset, a stance that I am really, really, unable to comprehend.

If siege actually got the regular dev attention that a unique ruleset requires then I think it would have a lot more players. Instead the player base focus on "how do we appeal to NON siege players" rather than "what can we do to improve life for people who already LIKE siege?" when once every 5 years dev check up moment comes. So instead of something like more accessible essential crafting resources like gems, we get people asking for insurance or prodo vacation homes that sit empty... permanently robbing full timer siege players of potential housing spots. I wish people would try to look back at stuff like that when they start asking for changes. I may have gone off on a tangent but, anyway. :p
 

Great DC

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Siege was supposed to be like a 1999 prodo shard wasn't it? It is nothing like that and that's the major reason it never gets a influx of players. Early days was just prodo shard minus insurance. There wasn't all those stupid things like not buying from npcs or one char limit or rot system. Even if the devs gave me 10 plat to keep buying gear, I still wouldn't play siege as its not worth it. Its a completely different game then the rest of UO.
 

Picus at the office

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I would play siege if it was 1999, clean and with other people who didn't mind death. Losing stuff doesn't matter if the server was a true reflection of the old times, death and loot both made it all wonderful and sucky at the same time.
 

Martell

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Well, from what I can tell I´ve exposed a troll who has absolutely nothing to back up his cry stories.
This thread is about an incentive to bring pvpers to Siege. I stated why I thought the proposal wouldn't draw people to Siege and stated what I found to be the unappealing factors of Siege.

You, Pawain, and others have offered no comment on a luck bonus, have provided no criticisms or suggestions to anything I or anyone have said, and have simply fished for personal attacks.

And I'm the troll here???

LOL

Sorry to have interrupted the exclusive clique of 50+ year old UO addicts that is Stratics regulars with some different opinions and perspectives...

If you think Siege and the rest of UO is a-ok as is, LOL at you but by all means carry on.
 
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Pawain

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Sorry to have interrupted the exclusive clique of 50+ year old UO addicts that is Stratics regulars with some different opinions and perspectives...
Thats me!!!!

Look at my first post in this thread I only chimed in after you were asked a direct question twice and refused to answer it. Then you trolled me to respond, which is easy to do since I have been at the crazy mage for a couple of hours training 8 pets to their first 100%.

You have yet to answer the question.

As for Siege, my input will be of no use. Step 1. add consensual PvP. Since that will never happen I could leave this thread unless I get trolled back.
 

Tyrath

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Thats me!!!!

Look at my first post in this thread I only chimed in after you were asked a direct question twice and refused to answer it. Then you trolled me to respond, which is easy to do since I have been at the crazy mage for a couple of hours training 8 pets to their first 100%.

You have yet to answer the question.

As for Siege, my input will be of no use. Step 1. add consensual PvP. Since that will never happen I could leave this thread unless I get trolled back.
Ummm Scratch step 1, while I believe some changes need to made on Siege that should never be one even considered.
 

Tyrath

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Sorry to have interrupted the exclusive clique of 50+ year old UO addicts that is Stratics regulars with some different opinions and perspectives...
Umm I don't turn 50 until September.
 

Lady Michelle

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Siege is for everyone not just for pvpers or pkers. Even though you might not pvp, be a pker you might want to check out Siege.
I play on Siege love the Siege players, and community yes some of us are old set in our ways,but once you create a character get in gen chat let them know your new, they will help you.
You will meet the most awesome people on Siege.
 
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Martell

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Thats me!!!!

Look at my first post in this thread I only chimed in after you were asked a direct question twice and refused to answer it. Then you trolled me to respond, which is easy to do since I have been at the crazy mage for a couple of hours training 8 pets to their first 100%.

You have yet to answer the question.

As for Siege, my input will be of no use. Step 1. add consensual PvP. Since that will never happen I could leave this thread unless I get trolled back.
The question of my char name and what guild I was in has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

I get that you're salty because I pointed out your meritless posts in past threads and your OP,overcapped pets ended up getting nerfed but this idea that I need to prove something to you and others in order to post here or have valid points is laughable. You guys don't get to control who posts here and just because you're retired fogies who spend hundred of dollars on multiple account and play 8+ hours a day doesn't make your opinions more worthwhile. If anything, history is on my side (ie. the side of articulate posts and rational arguments).

Thanks for admitting that your only suggestion is a non-starter and you have nothing of merit to add to any discussion that has anything to do with pvp...you can move along now.
 

Martell

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Umm I don't turn 50 until September.
Great. So again, you have nothing of merit to add to this thread and you have no rebuttal to the points I've made about slow skill gains and a one char limit being the most crippling things to Siege.

Thanks, early happy birthday to you.

I'm glad you were able to turn an MMORPG into a single player game and it only cost you several hundred dollars for soulstones and several hundred hours working skills.

If this is the audience the UO devs want to cater too...good luck.
 

Pawain

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I get that you're salty because I pointed out your meritless posts in past threads and your OP,overcapped pets ended up getting nerfed

RIF I already told you. None of my pets got nerfed. There are no overcapped pets. Show us a lore screen with overcapped STR or HP. You cant.

Is that your whole goal in life to try to nerf my pets? Well they have the same stats they had when I made them. All you contributed to this thread is telling us that the players on Siege hurt your feelings.

I ve yet to see any merit in one of your posts. I gave you a short list of my posts that contribute to the community. Ive seen none from you.

I'm glad you were able to turn an MMORPG into a single player game and it only cost you several hundred dollars for soulstones and several hundred hours working skills.
This sums up the type post you make.
 

Uvtha

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Siege was supposed to be like a 1999 prodo shard wasn't it? It is nothing like that and that's the major reason it never gets a influx of players. Early days was just prodo shard minus insurance. There wasn't all those stupid things like not buying from npcs or one char limit or rot system. Even if the devs gave me 10 plat to keep buying gear, I still wouldn't play siege as its not worth it. Its a completely different game then the rest of UO.
No, it was supposed to be the "hard mode" shard, a unique experience for players who wanted a challenge and more more player driven experience, and I don't recall there ever being a time you could sell to vendors or that there was regular skill gain, but my memory from back then is foggy, and I didn't spend a lot of time on siege till like 2000, so it's possible there was a short period without them, perhaps before the shard was wiped?

Concerning skill gain in the history of siege it had RoT most (if not all the time) and it was much worse back in the early days. Rather than the current it was 20 min between gains for 70-80, 40 min for 80-99 and an hour for 99-120. On top of that there were daily caps on gains (3.6 in 70-80 and 2.0 in 80+) so that functionally you could only train one skill at a time. It was a million times worse than it is right now. Trust me I scrolled and fully trained several characters with that skill gain system, and it sucked.
 

Uvtha

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RoT system needs to be removed
Nah. Skill gain in general should just be removed. I'm not even being sarcastic. Outside of creating a market for skill boost scrolls it no longer serves a purpose. You should just be able to set your skills.

But if there is to be skill gain still, I vastly prefer RoT to prodo skill gain. Might take a bit longer, but it's much easier and and much much cheaper.
 

Uvtha

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As for Siege, my input will be of no use. Step 1. add consensual PvP. Since that will never happen I could leave this thread unless I get trolled back.
But what is the point of siege with no open pvp? Item loss and open pvp are the only reasons for siege. Remove one, and the other is neutered to the point that you might as well remove both, and at that point the shard is just a limited tram. Why?
 

Max Blackoak

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Siege was supposed to be like a 1999 prodo shard wasn't it? It is nothing like that and that's the major reason it never gets a influx of players. Early days was just prodo shard minus insurance. There wasn't all those stupid things like not buying from npcs or one char limit or rot system.
Siege always had RoT skill gain except for a very brief period when it had powerhour and regular prodo shard skill gain which was around 2000 until shortly after AoS came out. It was never meant to be like a prodo shard, in fact it was more like pre-trammel with several aspects that made it even harder than pre-trammel prodo shards (among others: 1 char limit, 3x prices, 5x house prices, no selling to npcs, RoT for skills that didn't consume any resources (archers were VERY popular! mages were hard to train and supply because of the regs prices) and most importantly no statloss for murderers). Siege even had a unique PvP system called Hero vs Evil which had certain special abilities depending on the points you gained (similar to what factions had later on).
BUYING from npcs is absolutely possible (always) has on Siege, unless you're a red. Only SELLING to NPCs is not possible (which is one of the reasons why Siege's economy is still largely intact).

Its a completely different game then the rest of UO.
It's different but not completely. But you're right, you would have to adapt to the specific Siege rules. Once you have done that I guarantee you you will find it a great shard.
 

Martell

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RIF I already told you. None of my pets got nerfed. There are no overcapped pets. Show us a lore screen with overcapped STR or HP. You cant.

Is that your whole goal in life to try to nerf my pets? Well they have the same stats they had when I made them. All you contributed to this thread is telling us that the players on Siege hurt your feelings.

I ve yet to see any merit in one of your posts. I gave you a short list of my posts that contribute to the community. Ive seen none from you.
Again, I'm not trying to impress you and I don't care if you saw any merit in mine and other like-minded posts. All that matters to me is that the devs clearly did see merit in our posts.

Hence them nerfing the speed of Pheonixs (I think my comparison to them and speed-Cu's was pretty spot on) and why they nerfed the damage taken/given by pets, their special spamming, and their casting from off screen.

You complained about all those posts and didn't offer a single reason for why they should stay as is. Similarly, you've offered no input on the topic at hand here.

Kudos and keep up the contributions to the community.
 

Tjalle

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The question of my char name and what guild I was in has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
It does when you make a sob story about how the big bad Siege community threatens to "blacklist" your poor guild. I was just following up on that post.
And your childish refusal to answer that question tells us that your post was either full of bullcrap (which means you´re only here to troll) or you were in one of those guilds I mentioned earlier. Because, as a Siege player, I can tell you that you do not get blacklisted from simply killing and looting. Someone might get angry in the heat of the moment yes and call you names but blacklisted? Never.

But of course you know all of this already...
 

Martell

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It does when you make a sob story about how the big bad Siege community threatens to "blacklist" your poor guild. I was just following up on that post.
And your childish refusal to answer that question tells us that your post was either full of bullcrap (which means you´re only here to troll) or you were in one of those guilds I mentioned earlier. Because, as a Siege player, I can tell you that you do not get blacklisted from simply killing and looting. Someone might get angry in the heat of the moment yes and call you names but blacklisted? Never.

But of course you know all of this already...
It doesn't because the proof is in the pudding...Siege is dead and isn't attracting new players and if you search through past posts from other pvpers...they have a similar story to tell. Must be a grand conspiracy against the awesome community and playstyle that is Siege.

I don't care if I get accepted into your Stratics social circle or not. The devs clearly can tell a valid argument from an overly emotional, old troll fishing for personal attacks... I look forward to seeing who they listen to on this subject going forward (your and Pawain's style of posting clearly prevailed in the pet threads).

Thanks for your constructive post yet again...yawn.
 

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the mistake I noticed a lot of new PvPers on Siege make is they check the usual PvP hotspots (yew gate, despise spawn etc.) they know from their home shard, find them empty and assume that Siege is dead.

It took me a very long time when I came back to Siege after a couple of years away from UO to figure out where people are hunting and what places to check. Sure sometimes you will find people running despise but usually they will try their luck elsewhere. Also over the years people have adapted to the threat of being pked and thus farm in locations that are not easily accessable or even semi instanced (peerless etc.). This also goes for activity in general chat. Most guilds will exercise strict radio discipline when out hunting as to not give the slightest hint that they might even be out there.

The next thing is that people on Siege don't usually hang out at Luna or Britain. They stick to their guild houses or go hunting instead.

Obviously the huge landmass that was added over the years makes it harder to check for people because of the sheer amount of running involved. It is time consuming, but if you thoroughly search for people you will find them in the end.
 

Pawain

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the mistake I noticed a lot of new PvPers on Siege make is they check the usual PvP hotspots (yew gate, despise spawn etc.) they know from their home shard, find them empty and assume that Siege is dead.

It took me a very long time when I came back to Siege after a couple of years away from UO to figure out where people are hunting and what places to check. Sure sometimes you will find people running despise but usually they will try their luck elsewhere. Also over the years people have adapted to the threat of being pked and thus farm in locations that are not easily accessable or even semi instanced (peerless etc.). This also goes for activity in general chat. Most guilds will exercise strict radio discipline when out hunting as to not give the slightest hint that they might even be out there.

The next thing is that people on Siege don't usually hang out at Luna or Britain. They stick to their guild houses or go hunting instead.

Obviously the huge landmass that was added over the years makes it harder to check for people because of the sheer amount of running involved. It is time consuming, but if you thoroughly search for people you will find them in the end.
I agree with this for any smaller than Atl shard. On LS a returning or transfer PvPer will tell us how dead the shard is by going to Yew. Yew is used by bored people or individuals who want a quick fight. The rest of the PvP crowd is sitting silently doing their own thing and don't care about this person ranting. Probably what happened to the OP. They all said, "listen to that noob in chat. lol" "he killed ol Bob, everybody kills ol Bob".

A spectator can only tell that a spawn has been done because they find mastery books on the ground in luna. Scrolls are worth real gold again. Why advertise.

General chat is not a way to judge population.

When things seem dead on LS someone will ask something specific in chat and next thing you hear is some people you've never seen before answering back.

There are players who don't tune into gen chat. There are many who do want to play this fun multiplayer game by themselves.
 

Tyrath

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I'm calling shenannigans LOL, the guy in your avatar is NOT 49 hahahahah...
Yep picture was taken at a market last Month and is me and I turn 50 the end of September. I know I look like I am probably pushing closer to 60, had a rough life and was rode hard and put up wet too many times :) The bigger picture.............

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Tyrath

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Great. So again, you have nothing of merit to add to this thread and you have no rebuttal to the points I've made about slow skill gains and a one char limit being the most crippling things to Siege.

Thanks, early happy birthday to you.

I'm glad you were able to turn an MMORPG into a single player game and it only cost you several hundred dollars for soulstones and several hundred hours working skills.

If this is the audience the UO devs want to cater too...good luck.
Sigh it is hardly a single player game on Siege. If it was for you then it is only because that is the path you chose. Skill gains really are not that slow and in the realm of some skills are far more economical and faster than prodo. You can finish 6 skills to 120 in a week or less, I don't really call that slow. Seems like you spend more time worrying about how everyone else plays than taking care of your own business. Even if I did play it as a single player game, how does this affect you? If you are blocked out of the bigger guilds because of your anti social behavior then that is your problem. If you can't get skilled up in a a week or even two of casual play........ then you just are not trying. 1000 luck would be nice but what does that have to do with PvP? Get right down to it I have spent closer to $20,000 on soul stones and even a few thousand on Mythics, but how I spend my pocket change is at my discretion, not yours :) Probably several thousand hours of playing the game and gaining skills as I go over a lot of years, not like I sit down and grind skills for hours on end, you do know you get gains by actually playing the game and not just logging in to gain on a ROT timer? Is Siege for everyone? NOPE and from what you have said, you couldn't cut it on Siege, so you want to change the shard to fit your narrow perspective of what you believe UO should be. Again I do believe there needs to be a few fundamental changes on Siege as what we have now is not working, the game, and items have changed. If it were still a pre AOS shard and running GM armor and vanquishing weapons were the most valuable thing to lose, it would be a different story.

As far as contributing anything to the thread, someone could pass gas and contribute more than you have thus far.
 
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