How to move Pvp To Siege and keep it active

[805connection]

Simple way to get Siege more Active without giving VVV items

This is soo simple it might hurt.

Cap Every players luck at 4knaked. or whatever the luck cap is

This will allow pvpers to hunt in pvp armor, and others to wear defensive armor while farming. It also allows for more pvp friendly items to drop around the server. Making it more desirable to go out and build a quality suit. **** even better than OSI suits.

It also makes a bit easier to regroup after dying.

 

[GarthGrey]

I'll settle for the 1k felucca luck bonus we never received.

 

[Martell]

Simple way to get Siege more Active without giving VVV items

This is soo simple it might hurt.

Cap Every players luck at 4knaked. or whatever the luck cap is

This will allow pvpers to hunt in pvp armor, and others to wear defensive armor while farming. It also allows for more pvp friendly items to drop around the server. Making it more desirable to go out and build a quality suit. **** even better than OSI suits.

It also makes a bit easier to regroup after dying.

Missed the boat with this one.

I thought Albion pvp was all the rage now?

Edit: Forgot to mention that PvM in this game is just boring as hell too. Mobs are all the same, easily outsmarted/beat, only difference is in how much HP they have. The less suit building/pvming I have to do the better and I know I'm not alone in that opinion.

 

[Tanivar]

I don't think many prodo PvPers will come to Siege because they can't insure the supersuits they build and depend on to feel safe. They know they're not good enough to pvp in the common armor that's readily available.

 

[Great DC]

Prodo pvpers wont pvp there cause one char per account is ridiculous. I can kill other players in crap suits all day, that's not an issue. Lets also not forget that 95% of the shard plays stealth hiders, which makes for boring play. That's why no one is on siege, its an utter failure like the pvm content of UO is on prodo shards.

 

[Pawain]

Missed the boat with this one.

I thought Albion pvp was all the rage now?

Edit: Forgot to mention that PvM in this game is just boring as hell too. Mobs are all the same, easily outsmarted/beat, only difference is in how much HP they have. The less suit building/pvming I have to do the better and I know I'm not alone in that opinion.

Thank you for for input. Now move along.

 

[805connection]

Albion is Great.. 500k subs I was told.

 

[Martell]

I don't think many prodo PvPers will come to Siege because they can't insure the supersuits they build and depend on to feel safe. They know they're not good enough to pvp in the common armor that's readily available.

The two times I and a group of prodo pvpers came to Siege we spent a week killing groups of stealh archers/tamers, looted their suits, then got called names by the regular players and were told we were going to be blacklisted from the community, and then those regulars players stopped logging in or they hid in their RP villages....

I think I died once or twice when I was on Siege and this was on a char with GM skills (which was a pain in the ass to raise because skill gains on Siege sucked, as did having only one char).

Was a great waste of time.

Siege sucks and the community that so aggressively advertises it only wants to play with like-minded players...

 

[GarthGrey]

The two times I and a group of prodo pvpers came to Siege we spent a week killing groups of stealh archers/tamers, looted their suits, then got called names by the regular players and were told we were going to be blacklisted from the community, and then those regulars players stopped logging in or they hid in their RP villages....

I think I died once or twice when I was on Siege and this was on a char with GM skills (which was a pain in the ass to raise because skill gains on Siege sucked, as did having only one char).

Was a great waste of time.

Siege sucks and the community that so aggressively advertises it only wants to play with like-minded players...

Hate to bust your bubble bro, but there's no "community" advertising Siege, there's 1 player that constantly asks people to come, the rest of us, sorry, don't want you here. And if you had words or fights with a group on Siege, your issue is with them, not the entire shard, and if you don't think there are more people enjoying UO content (all Content) on Siege, than most shards aside from Atlantic, you're misinformed.

 

[Tanivar]

The two times I and a group of prodo pvpers came to Siege we spent a week killing groups of stealh archers/tamers, looted their suits, then got called names by the regular players and were told we were going to be blacklisted from the community, ...

They say why? Blacklisting usually requires someone to be playing a very ashat character. Pop back onto Siege and ask what your character was doing that was going to get him blacklisted, and lighten up a bit on that behavior. Siege is pvp, that alone wouldn't get you blacklisted.

 

[Tjalle]

They say why? Blacklisting usually requires someone to be playing a very ashat character. Pop back onto Siege and ask what your character was doing that was going to get him blacklisted, and lighten up a bit on that behavior. Siege is pvp, that alone wouldn't get you blacklisted.

I was thinking along these lines as well.
I can think of two guilds in the past five years and both of those were filled with cheaters and griefers.
Perhaps Martell can let us know the name of his character and guild?

 

[TheDrAJ]

Speaking as probably the one person who actively tries to get players to come to Siege, I think we need all types of people on Siege. Most that come and STAY are usually pretty good people (even the pkers).

It is easy to bad mouth things - but much harder to try and change things for the better!

 

[cobb]

First you have to be able to find another player to participate in pvp. But that is not an easy task on siege since there are no people there.

 

[Tanivar]

First you have to be able to find another player to participate in pvp. But that is not an easy task on siege since there are no people there.

Actually there are , we've just learned the skills to survive a full pvp shard. We don't make ourselves easy kills for pkers, we know they like a challenge.

 

[GarthGrey]

Actually there are , we've just learned the skills to survive a full pvp shard. We don't make ourselves easy kills for pkers, we know they like a challenge.

Don't let Tanivar mislead you, we're not all running around with hide stealth on, neither of those will fit on my tamers template ;-)

 

[drcossack]

Actually there are , we've just learned the skills to survive a full pvp shard. We don't make ourselves easy kills for pkers, we know they like a challenge.

The challenge is in the fight. Not in looking for it.

 

[Tanivar]

Don't let Tanivar mislead you, we're not all running around with hide stealth on, neither of those will fit on my tamers template ;-)

I usually ride my Ki-rin so I can't stealth around. It's in my template for getting past monster swarms to reach what I want to kill and for getting back to my body when I lose the fight.

 

[Max Blackoak]

PvPers coming to Siege need to adapt a little. They need to come up with a template and suit that is built around one blessed item, with the rest of the suit being replaceable items if you don't want to farm exessively. This can absolutely be done but it requires a bit of thinking outside the prodo-box.

That being said the 1k fel bonus to luck would be nice to have on Siege...

 

[GarthGrey]

The challenge is in the fight. Not in looking for it.

Most of the pvprs that come to Siege aren't looking for a challenge, they're looking for an easy kill. Then they s**t talk about it in gen chat like it was some real conquest. They attack and kill some new crafter out chopping trees, or someone trying to farm an ingredient, then they complain that the victim sucks at pvp..yada yada.

 

[Uvtha]

I think we need to lay to rest the idea that there is some magic trigger that will bring a bunch of people to siege. There isn't one. Siege is what it is, a lot of people are not into what it has to offer, and that's ok.

The only thing that will bring non siege people to siege, is to make it no longer siege. What's the point of that? Enough damage has been done to the shard in the crusade to bring in new players. It doesn't work. If people want to play siege, they will play there. The end. No changes necessary. If it can't generate a large population, then it can't and that's fine.

 

[Marquis de Sade 209]

Most of the pvprs that come to Siege aren't looking for a challenge, they're looking for an easy kill. Then they s**t talk about it in gen chat like it was some real conquest. They attack and kill some new crafter out chopping trees, or someone trying to farm an ingredient, then they complain that the victim sucks at pvp..yada yada.

I am sure it makes them feel better about the shortcomings they have in real life. I never understood bragging about PVP like it is some extraordinary talent or something. Especially the gen chat warriors on Atlantic who brag when they win and make excuses when they lose.

 

[Drakelord]

I like the people of Siege except for those that have no honor and use cheats or griefing player events such as auctions. Then there the ones that at EM events will say, come help kill the boss we will not attack you, ya right, you better be ready to fight or run as soon as the boss drops and you get a drop in your pack. @Mesanna been asked to make those drops blessed, but on no, use your Siege one item blessed, (ya you got one item already blessed and you now have to remove that and bless the drop) or make sure your pack is SO full of junk so that if you are blessed to get a dropped it will go to you bank.

All that on the fly while trying to fight, hide, run, stealth etc.. It is a HUGE pain and today I do not even try to get a drop, (I did last time and was lucky to get it home)

Guilds of Siege Perilous

 

[Martell]

I like the people of Siege except for those that have no honor and use cheats or griefing player events such as auctions. Then there the ones that at EM events will say, come help kill the boss we will not attack you, ya right, you better be ready to fight or run as soon as the boss drops and you get a drop in your pack. @Mesanna been asked to make those drops blessed, but on no, use your Siege one item blessed, (ya you got one item already blessed and you now have to remove that and bless the drop) or make sure your pack is SO full of junk so that if you are blessed to get a dropped it will go to you bank.

All that on the fly while trying to fight, hide, run, stealth etc.. It is a HUGE pain and today I do not even try to get a drop, (I did last time and was lucky to get it home)

Guilds of Siege Perilous

And I thought the argument went that it was prodo pvpers that were scared of losing their precious items...

 

[Martell]

Don't let Tanivar mislead you, we're not all running around with hide stealth on, neither of those will fit on my tamers template ;-)

I think I recall a Garth character, weren't you an archer? If I recall correctly you were a stealth archer at the time and I guess you're now an archer/tamer?

Kudos to you though for at least not having hiding/stealth

 

[Martell]

They say why? Blacklisting usually requires someone to be playing a very ashat character.

Yes, because supposedly we were chugging cure pots and teleporting too quickly so we must be using awesome haxx to win (refused to believe we just knew how to use macros and that it's a better idea to play mages instead of stealthers and tamers).

We also wouldn't give their suits back or let them loot their corpses...

 

[Martell]

Most of the pvprs that come to Siege aren't looking for a challenge, they're looking for an easy kill. Then they s**t talk about it in gen chat like it was some real conquest. They attack and kill some new crafter out chopping trees, or someone trying to farm an ingredient, then they complain that the victim sucks at pvp..yada yada.

Yeah, this is why no one plays Siege, it has nothing to do with losing items, it's because there is no challenge on Siege. A third of the players don't even chug pots and I only came across two other people that played mages (and they were terrible at it).

Further, no one dedicates time to Siege because training chars is a pain and you can only have one...as was previously stated.

A luck bonus isn't going to fix either of those underlying problems.

 

[Drakelord]

And I thought the argument went that it was prodo pvpers that were scared of losing their precious items...

I lose more pieces of suits there, they only dry looted me once and boy did I call them every name in the book. (of course not in game) I do not loot (except for those that looted me) And I do not attack any blues/reds except for those that have attacked me before. It's easy to keep track as to who they are, there just two guilds that have no honor and are bandits as far as I am concern. I sometimes wish the bounty system was still around.

 

[Tyrath]

Either you like Siege or you don't. It really is not that hard to skill on Siege. No one really cares if they lose a suit or not. As far as getting drops to the bank just use a bag of sending if it is not a cursed item. You can get 5-6 pack items sent to the bank before you die using a macro with yer bag of sending. Personally I would rather loose a BOS than a drop, tangle, crimmy, slither, or cameo. As far as not being able to find anyone to kill, Sigh it is not because we are house hiding or even hiding stealthing around, if the PKs are in a area the non pvp types just go to another area. Why in the world would a gatherer or craft type template hang around to PvP with a PK when they have zero chance of surviving? You guys might call that PvP, I call it something to avoid. I have a few character in alliances and guilds and the alliance and guild chats are a lot more active than GC. There are actually a lot of group, guild and alliance hunts going on that.......... Well when you are asshat, you just won't see or know about. I do often wonder why the people that cry about the lack of PvP on Siege rarely if ever actually fight other people crying about the lack of PvP. You know actually PvP instead of crying about not being able to find the PvMs and Crafters Of course wanting to kill and loot probably gets old when all the loot from the kills is 95% garbage........ LOL you have better odds of getting better loot from a Ettin than a Siege regular.

Now that being said about the crap player loot, I do think insurance should be added to Siege. The better gear would comeout of the crates and the PKs would get the insurance gold for their efforts. Which IMO would be better than the way things currently are with 99% of the people running garbage suits and one siege blessed L33T Weapon or spellbook.

 

[TheDrAJ]

I also would not mind insurance, but keeping with siege traditions it should be 3-5 times more expensive then prodo shards.

 

[Tyrath]

I also would not mind insurance, but keeping with siege traditions it should be 3-5 times more expensive then prodo shards.

3x more would be fair and actually make our deaths cost something and reward the Pks for finding us I have found over the last few months of rarely talking in GC the number of PKs checking my houses has dropped to nearly zero. Dang Tana got me to talking the other night though and amazingly one of them popped in on the island

 

[Lady Michelle]

Actually there are , we've just learned the skills to survive a full pvp shard. We don't make ourselves easy kills for pkers, we know they like a challenge.

My hiding skills are awesome *whispers* I'm hiding here on stratics no one on Siege will find me

 

[Tjalle]

Perhaps Martell can let us know the name of his character and guild?

Looks like @Martell missed this part. Let´s try again.

 

[Martell]

Looks like @Martell missed this part. Let´s try again.

I didn't miss it, you're trying to make this personal for some reason as if that would somehow make my points invalid (as I stated, the Siege community getting overly personal was a reason I and others LOL'd at the shard and stopped playing it years ago).

The proof is in the pudding and many have given the same input over the years: slow skill gains, one character limit, and a poor playerbase are why Siege is unpopular. It has nothing to do with being afraid to lose items (as Siege players love to state).

A luck bonus isn't going to change that now (it's far too late in UO's history to revive any shard) and isn't worth pursuing.

Edit: several freeshards do what Siege is supposed to be but do it 10x better and have 10x the population. That's why I choose to play those > Siege.

 

[Tyrath]

Edit: several freeshards do what Siege is supposed to be but do it 10x better and have 10x the population. That's why I choose to play those > Siege.

So why you crying about it here instead of being on your free server that is 10x better and 10x more populated?

 

[Tjalle]

I didn't miss it, you're trying to make this personal for some reason as if that would somehow make my points invalid (as I stated, the Siege community getting overly personal was a reason I and others LOL'd at the shard and stopped playing it years ago).

How am I making it personal?
Having your char and guild name might shed some light on your claims. For all we know you never even played Siege and are here only to badmouth it. Because what you posted doesn´t make sense unless you were in a guild that broke the rules and that´s why I ask. Just plain curiousity.

 

[Drakelord]

I also would not mind insurance, but keeping with siege traditions it should be 3-5 times more expensive then prodo shards.

could we just say double the cost, everything else is already 3-5 times the cost from the NPCs and vendor cost is way to high. nothing can be sold to NPCs so why make it hard to earn enough gold to do that. Still if there was 3-5 times the cost I run naked with a pet ball blessed just to wack bandits for gold LOL!

 

[Ellie]

Yesterday in Skara I was putting things in my bank unhidden I might add. Someone, not saying who it was, was attacking me. He didn't get his poison off the way he wanted. I ran off hid and stealthed off. That is what I call fun. I have gotten away from more pk's that way. Just because you cant see us doesn't mean we aren't around. Our gen chat can get very busy, people answer questions when someone asks, unlike another shard I started on. I told him I had been carrying a trade order and he said if he had known that he wouldn't have attacked. One of the nicer pk's.

 

[Martell]

How am I making it personal?
Having your char and guild name might shed some light on your claims. For all we know you never even played Siege and are here only to badmouth it. Because what you posted doesn´t make sense unless you were in a guild that broke the rules and that´s why I ask. Just plain curiousity.

I said my guild wasn't well received on Siege + You said that the two guilds that weren't well received on Siege were "filled of cheaters and griefers" = you're implying I'm a cheater and griefer and you then back it up with a taunting post.

It doesn't matter what guild I was in. I came to Siege, we killed players, they asked for their items back, we said no, we got called jerks and cheaters and were told we were going to be blacklisted from the community...

A luck bonus wouldn't make me want to try playing Siege again. The rules of the shard and the community are the problem IMO.

 

[Martell]

So why you crying about it here instead of being on your free server that is 10x better and 10x more populated?

Who's crying? I'm fine with Siege being an unpopulated, RP shard.

I just stated why the luck bonus would be ineffective in drawing pvpers and stated what I found to be the major problems with Siege.

 

[GarthGrey]

I said my guild wasn't well received on Siege + You said that the two guilds that weren't well received on Siege were "filled of cheaters and griefers" = you're implying I'm a cheater and griefer and you then back it up with a taunting post.

It doesn't matter what guild I was in. I came to Siege, we killed players, they asked for their items back, we said no, we got called jerks and cheaters and were told we were going to be blacklisted from the community...

A luck bonus wouldn't make me want to try playing Siege again. The rules of the shard and the community are the problem IMO.

There's not a single shardwide community on Siege, I think your beef was with a select group, not the entire shard. There's a handful of people on Siege that I would prefer not to even give the time of day to, but in the same breath there's also a handful that I would absolutely hand over my last gold piece to, if they needed it.

 

[Tjalle]

It doesn't matter what guild I was in.

So why not just name it then? Because now it just looks like you have something to hide.
If it makes it easier I´ll name mine first. I´m in GIL.

 

[Picus at the office]

The same Siege thread.

 

[GarthGrey]

The same Seige thread.

What's Seige ? Is that like Seiko ?

 

[Uvtha]

I also would not mind insurance, but keeping with siege traditions it should be 3-5 times more expensive then prodo shards.

No. How about not? We don't need insurance. It would ruin so much of what makes the shard good.

 

[GarthGrey]

No. How about not? We don't need insurance. It would ruin so much of what makes the shard good.

Tell me what insurance would "ruin" for you ? And Frejas suit vendor sales doesn't count.I can only speak for me, but I didn't come to Siege because I longed for the fear and excitement that comes from thinking you might lose something valuable, I'm a grown up and don't care about that. I came to Siege back in 09 because it was the most active forum on stratics and because I was tired of reading it and not being a part of it. Would I use insurance if they added it ? Well yeah, Ive lost a lot of stuff to just monsters looting it when I died and sometimes it's a pain to replace it. But that's not why I came to Siege, and I doubt that's why many others did and still remain here. So explain to me what will be ruined for YOU, if this happens. I'm going to count the number of times you use the word "I" in your explanation too. Mine was (11).


**waits**

 

[Tanivar]

Not having insurance gives crafters a reason to keep playing. Things need to be replaced when they get lost instead of lasting forever.

 

[Martell]

So why not just name it then? Because now it just looks like you have something to hide.
If it makes it easier I´ll name mine first. I´m in GIL.

Way to selectively answer my post too.

I really don't care if you think I have something to hide, you're bringing no arguments or points to this thread and are just fishing for personal attacks.

 

[WhiteWitch]

That one char limit needs to go, while that exists Siege will only ever be a sort of "holiday/vacation shard" to all but a very hard core(who all use multiple accounts to get round this anyway), the Devs even know that, its why you can now have a holiday home on Siege without it affecting your real shard home.

The idea behind the char limit was to force players to interact with others, warriors need crafters etc etc, but all that went out the window with soul stones being allowed on Siege so right now the only actual justification I can see for keeping the limit is to milk people for soul stone tokens.

 

[GarthGrey]

I haven't been "milked" I bought all of my Siege soul stones because I didn't want to have to rely on someone else to craft for me.

 

[Tyrath]

About the only people that buy the crafted suits are people that have not invested in soul stones. I can't even count the the number of new people that came to Siege, got semi set up lost a suit or two and said F it and went back to prodo. What no insurance does do is limit game play because most are just not going to wear anything good and risk losing it. Heck I would love to wear my 2470 luck suit, I learned the hard way the first thing a monster loots is your AF and the way my luck goes disappears shortly after. And do I really want to donate that suit to the first PK that comes along? Nope. So I wear a crap enhanced 1400 luck suit. Would I risk losing 30k every death with expensive insurance..... Sure gold is a whole lot easier to replace than 190+ luck pieces, turn in jewels,a mempo and a AF. Just can't see how this would ruin anything for anyone. And yes everything eventually breaks, more so if you use it a lot. If you just look at things from a I have been here for 15+ years and have everything the status quo is quite appealing. If you are trying Siege out and everytime you get whacked by monster or a PK you have to spend time trying to replace something, that usually no one will sell, Siege doesn't look so good. The new folks don't have 5000 of everything spread out over 3-4 keeps and Castles.