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How about 'STOP MULTIBOXER'???
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OH MY GOD... I am so naive. I would have never thought that is possible/anybody would do something silly like that. I mean, what do 29 accounts cost??? You can also throw your dollars out of the window...
They aren't throwing them out the window... they are using them to gain as much as fast as possible and selling everything for RL money..... including Gold they obtain from selling the items in game... so they are likely making much more than they are spending.
If I had to hazard a guess I'd say they are getting the items from blackthorns and everywhere else to sell for cash on one of those illegal sale websites.
So they are your char's that is why you know that. What does 29 accounts cost you every month.
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They could stop giving out the items that spark the greed that leads to multiboxing. That would do it.
lol, Classic.The devs don't care about multiboxing
I asked Kyronix on TC1 what are they going to do to deter people from just having their multibox armies camped outside of the rooms waiting for legitimate groups to get the Dark Father up so they can cheese it for an arty with 10 accounts.
This was the response I got..
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devs dont give a ****. get over it.
Well, I admire the fact that he's honest about it, anyway.
I think the names were "The Destroyer, Vlad, wham bam, nosferatu, count Orlok, pixie dust, sweet cheeks, axem red, axem black, Peredo nox/lux," And a few others, all retired now and still on oceania. My old guild used to run fire spawns over there because of the server issues Oceania had back in 2013 made the server beyond dead. I think its still at the bottom of the list below Mugen when you sort them by % full. I'd venture to say that Oceania probably got a lot more love than it normally would have because of its increased population during our time there. We have servers with probably less than 10 players active at peak times(Including the scripters) and we worry about 29 accounts sitting in a single room killing a single monster that could of just as easily of covered all the monsters in the dungeon or been split across all the servers and technically wouldn't of been viewed as "Multiboxing" but as just scripting. Doing that at events and pvp is an entirely different ballpark though, but same concept. Players will cry about the obvious ones, but I promise that there are many there that you wouldn't think are doing anything, but are.
We were losing players long before you guys even knew what "Multiboxing" was and I've said it before but i'll say it again. All conversations like these do is advertise their existence to players who probably didn't even know about them. And a few of those people will actually go and seek them out leading to more players doing it, as can be seen by the # of them at events now vs before certain members of this forum began posting public videos as an outcry. Discussing multiboxing here should be classified the same exact way as describing the Mechanics of a script/3rd party program and what it is capable of, which is against the TOS. Like Scripters, report it to the dev's/gm's.
You would be looking for the list of approved 3rd party programs.
Anything else is considered illegal.
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That would be true.... There were only 7 applications ever given UO Pro status, and I can only think of a few others that were given the OK afterwards. Though there are a number that hook in via UO Assist that didn't need approval or didn't interact directly with the client(s) Data Stream at all and wouldn't need it.
The 7 UO Pro appliactions are...
- UO Assist
- UO Calculator
- UO Journal Converter
- UO Curse Tool
- UO Magic Tool
- UO Auto-Map
- UO Spawn Map
- UO Cartographer
- UO Mapper
- UO Wedding (Doesn't Interact with the Data Stream)
- UO Rudder (Doesn't Interact with the Data Stream)
- Pinco's UI
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The Dev has basically condoned cheating.
I don't think this will change. It's not in their best interest.
SADLY that is %200 true. The only thing they appear to be going after is AFK training. As long as you can answer a GM Mesanna has basically said it is ok.
the thing is those accounts arent contributing money to broadsword. they are paid in gold. if any money is actually reaching EA or Broadsword at all, its extremely little if you look at how much those codes are being bought for compared to how much gold they are sold for (with room for profit from the seller)
I dont think mesanna even realizes that these arent valued accounts, and contribute extremely little funds, if any at all, to the game.
They wouldn't sell the codes at the price they do if they were not happy with the profits.
A 6mo code = an upfront payment. Doesn't matter when or on what account it is used. That money has been paid upfront and can be allocated into their revenue stream. They can justify it as an account because once the code is utilized they can match the upfront payment to it. It's really pretty simple.
How in the world do people buy game time codes with in-game gold??
I buy a 6mo code for $60 and I sell it to you for gold
It does not matter what a 3rd party charges for a code, that code at some point in time had to have been bought from EA/Origin. EA/Origin still got the GREEN stuff
agreed. thats my point. judging from the gold cost of codes, its only logical that EA / Broadsword has recieved anything close to retail price for those codes. they are not as valueable to Broadsword / Ea as a retail paid account.
And EA still got the $60. I guess Smoot thought they came out of thin air.
So you think that these 3rd party sites are getting a supper discount from EA
your in the dark if you think the well known sellers are paying 60 for a code. absolutely absurd.
but hey this is UOhall what should i expect.
So you are telling everybody that @Old Vet Back Again is one of those sellers and in fact he did not pay the $60 he said he did.
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It wouldn't be the first time. Markee Dragon was getting codes at a discount by purchasing in bulk back when he was dealing in UO stuff, at least according to him.
And that was when we were buying from UO but now we have to go to Origin that has a 1 item limit so where is the bulk deal now?
Nah, @Smoot is refering to the stolen CCs that would buy GTC and sell them at a discounted price. With the changes that system is gone. So now he really is just grasping at straws
And no, Frodo I do not sell GTC. Never have and never will. I was merely teaching that person how the transaction is done.
And no, Frodo I do not sell GTC. Never have and never will. I was merely teaching that person how the transaction is done.
absolutely not, but i dont appreciate words being put in mouth.
i think anyone who has been around the game long enough knows enough without names being metioned.
I dont know how i feel about the selling of codes in general. Personally, its a complicated issue when the subsciption cost is so high. But what i do know is that it only takes basic logic to see that those multibox accounts do not contribute the same amount to the game monetarily as a retail paid account. And because of the degradation these global loot farming / EM item farming account cause to the game, it might actually be making broadsword LOSE money overall if the "discount" accounts cause just a few retail paying costumers to quit.
Overall, personally i dont see codes as the issue. just a contributing factor that would have to be taken into consideration when seeing if having these farming accounts is "worth it" to broadsword.
Personally, and i have been ridiculed over the years by the same old suspects so wont say more than i dont think Mesanna realizes just how detrimental the current multibox scene is to the health of the game.
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People sell a 6 month game time code for 500m.
So you can prepay your account for 1 year with 1b gold. Nowadays...
And about making profit...you have the 10% discount coupon and ofc there is other tricks (((((legal)))))) to buy them cheaper FROM origin.
So you can prepay your account for 1 year with 1b gold. Nowadays...
And about making profit...you have the 10% discount coupon and ofc there is other tricks (((((legal)))))) to buy them cheaper FROM origin.
im actually not referring to anything specifically. just simple logic judging from how much codes are sold for, and that profit must be being made or it wouldnt be done in the first place. really just simple math, it doesnt matter where those codes come from.
1740$ for playing 29 charakters for 6 month Or 3480$ for a year.....(if the GTC costs 60$) but i cant believe that these guys buy them from origin....
14P 500 Mil for playing 29 Charakters for 6 Month Or 29P per year...
so these ppl need to make nearly 30p of gold Per year, to get Profit...( i never get so much gold in 8 Years, Playing Uo)
So it must be Profitable to do this and earn *DOLLARS*
14P 500 Mil for playing 29 Charakters for 6 Month Or 29P per year...
so these ppl need to make nearly 30p of gold Per year, to get Profit...( i never get so much gold in 8 Years, Playing Uo)
So it must be Profitable to do this and earn *DOLLARS*
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Macroing has been a thing since UO started and it's still going today. I don't think it's about to ruin the game now...
Pretty much. Or trial accounts - it only takes 2-3 days to get a sampire up and running for Blackthorn mages. Leaves you plenty of time to get a ****load of Blackthorn turn-ins with the remaining 11 days, especially if you have a bunch of characters down there killing stuff.
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most of my games i buy i use a VPN to get the cost down, same goes with game time codes right?
I am sure there is far better methods out there
I am sure there is far better methods out there
There was a website selling 6 month tokens for 20 bucks people bought a lot of them once the well went dry the scripting seemed to slow down
Partially correct: They can't go to Fel dungeons. Nothing stops them from going into the Tram versions though.
$60 for a 6month game time code...
If you live in the USA that is the price.$60 for a 6month game time code...
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It's apparent the leadership at Broadsword has no intentions of doing anything about it and it has been slowly deteriorating game play and the player base for a while now. Look at how often this topic comes up - it's more and more frequent. A quick search shows we're at about once a month now on Uhall with the first thread about it over 3 years ago. If that's not enough of a big fat giant sign to the game's developer saying, "Hey maybe we should do something about this" I don't know what is. I have only been back a few months and it's already too much. I have opened and then promptly closed several accounts all except my main one.
Outside of the blatant EM event cheating, where finding cheaters is like shooting fish in a barrel, there are groups of a handful of archers that sit at common pvp areas/choke points. They pop up, 6x AI you and you're dead before you can react. Happens on Siege too and *poof* there goes your suit. Absolutely nothing you can do about it. Page on it and the two English speaking GM's play dumb.
The only thing us legitimate players can do is close accounts or quit entirely. I have spoken with dozens of players in my short time back that don't want to and/or can't keep up with the multiboxers and just quit/close accounts silently. We won't stand for it and if money is their only incentive we're winning that war too. Each multiboxer account opened I'm sure at least 5 legitimate accounts are closed.
I've seen the Dev M&G recaps and playing the, 'ignorance is bliss about multiboxers and blatant cheaters card' will only last for so long. It's the only reason why UO's population has dwindled and disintegrated to it's current state and slowly is becoming the death of Ultima Online. 'Mesanna - For The Love Of The Game' aka 'Mesanna - Short Signed Decisions That Can Make My Paycheck Bigger'
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Outside of the blatant EM event cheating, where finding cheaters is like shooting fish in a barrel, there are groups of a handful of archers that sit at common pvp areas/choke points. They pop up, 6x AI you and you're dead before you can react. Happens on Siege too and *poof* there goes your suit. Absolutely nothing you can do about it. Page on it and the two English speaking GM's play dumb.
The only thing us legitimate players can do is close accounts or quit entirely. I have spoken with dozens of players in my short time back that don't want to and/or can't keep up with the multiboxers and just quit/close accounts silently. We won't stand for it and if money is their only incentive we're winning that war too. Each multiboxer account opened I'm sure at least 5 legitimate accounts are closed.
I've seen the Dev M&G recaps and playing the, 'ignorance is bliss about multiboxers and blatant cheaters card' will only last for so long. It's the only reason why UO's population has dwindled and disintegrated to it's current state and slowly is becoming the death of Ultima Online. 'Mesanna - For The Love Of The Game' aka 'Mesanna - Short Signed Decisions That Can Make My Paycheck Bigger'
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The population was massively declining long before 3 years ago when this first started being discussed.
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Yes as a direct result of doing nothing about cheaters. Games been known for a long while now for cheating... ever since the previous producers that actually DID something about cheaters. I miss Draconi still.
Thats weird u usually have 5-6 accounts at every EM event.
you saw that too?!
Warned you what would happen from your public outcry against the multiboxers and here we are today.
And what a load of bollocks. Cost of the game, inconsistency in the games clients, unrefined ui's that were handed off to players to modify, giving certain players who could code in Lua abilities that went even beyond 3rd party programs (Auto sort feature that moves all items in one button. Really?) , cost of 8 year old expansions that should of been included in the game long ago, lack of advertisement, lack of contact from the developers for extended periods of time, changes that were made to pvp that greatly effected pvm, massive increases in gear intensity that completely nerfed end game crafting, Expansions not being for sale in certain countries, terrible account management system, the worst checkout system with origin, freeservers that offered different generations of the game. REMOVAL OF CONTENT FROM THE GAME THAT WAS CODED BY AN ALREADY SKELETON CREW *Cough* And the list goes on and on and on and on. It would not be hard to handle multiboxers without even having to ban them. Freeservers already have methods for handling your average botter.
Acting like botters is the reason the game is dead is an extreme over simplification. but I don't blame the developers either as they don't have full control. The days you remember of supreme and draconi, the game was owned by the company running it, not handed off like an old person put in a nursing home with minimal effort to keep them alive until they die.
Since most of this sites are running for years now, I hardly doubt they use stolen CCs. They would have law enforcement on their asses if it was that easy.
I rather guess it's more about regional price differences, like buying from EU store than selling to US customers that don't have access to the EU store. Maybe even insiders inside Origin giving out codes, but hardly CC fraud.
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