Hot Topic - Tread Carefull - Thoughts on EM Events - Please ?

[THP]

Firstly I play Europa main shard- [ i do play others but Europa is my homeshard ] and love doing the home shard EM events but top damager doesn't seem to work to me ...and a lot of people are getting upset and annoyed at the events, as its always the same people from mainly other shards that get all the drops…just look on the rares forum on stratics and folks even boast how many drop they got in 2014…some in there 20s or 30s or more!!!! yet simple folks like me= zilch.

The whole idea of EM drops was a simple trinket reminder [ a keepsake] of the event taking place and not to sell for uber gold the minute the event as finished- which is what is happening…… How about a clicky drop for all particiapants call it even a replica of the main drop… then simply shove 3-5 of the mian drops on the boss for the uber top damager players to fight over. This way everyone at the event is happy as they all got one keepsake and the uber players are happy as they still get to fight for the 3-5 main drops…??thoughts please…??

Please i know that some folks are really happy the way events are run now...hell they are bound to be if they get 20/ 30 drops or more a year...AND i know a lot of folks are not happy... and i and u have seen unhappy folks at the events causing mayhem and trying to ruin them....

This is gonna get HOT... iam trying to tread carefully...theres not mnay folks that would even try this post due to the hassle i will probaly get.....BUT i try say it as i see it....So please lets have a adult discussion on how these momento trinkets are best served....

 

[Picus at the office]

So tell me it's not all about the items.

Make guys on all the shards and trade for the ones you want or don't care.

 

[TheScoundrelRico]

Why do you need pixels to enjoy or remember an event? I've never understood the greed of some players...la

 

[Smoot]

The event system is so casual and dumbed down that its basically just a time commitment. strategic / advanced gameplay is NOT involved.

I understand that time zones can be an issue, ill admit i set my alarm and get out of a dead sleep just for events.

If you cant get looting rights, thats a pretty basic thing. I used to put in about 200 mil for a top damager character, and was looking forward to even more advanced hybrid tamer / thrower / spellweaver characters. Now i dont even train skills, just buy an advanced character token, throw on basic imbued armor and a slayer bow and good to go. very boring to me but thats what people wanted. Event would be much more rewarding for me if they rewarded effort and promoted ever stronger / more advanced templates that took advantage of the new gear the Devs have worked so hard to provide.

I also understand that UO doesnt have the playerbase, most players just deco their house and really have no idea about stats or gameplay, and ive accept that. The system we have now, tho somewhat boring and not an incentive to better ones gameplay / self / character is pretty much the best this old, antiquated game can provide.

For those that absolutely can not play a character, or even get a 100lrc suit, i would not be opposed to a clicky here and there for noob characters that just wanted to spectate at the event and recieve a momento.

 

[funkymonkey]

i used Lord GOD's mystic dexxer temp for all of my Em events on EU, i would pretty much get a drop and the times i didn't is cus the EM on EU screwed the event up somehow.
Only reason i would EVER attend a Em event was just to get a drop and sell it so i could buy Pvp items i wanted.
i put the effort in got the reward and made the gold i wanted for items.

 

[Goldberg-Chessy]

Firstly I play Europa main shard- [ i do play others but Europa is my homeshard ] and love doing the home shard EM events but top damager doesn't seem to work to me ...and a lot of people are getting upset and annoyed at the events, as its always the same people from mainly other shards that get all the drops…just look on the rares forum on stratics and folks even boast how many drop they got in 2014…some in there 20s or 30s or more!!!! yet simple folks like me= zilch.

The whole idea of EM drops was a simple trinket reminder [ a keepsake] of the event taking place and not to sell for uber gold the minute the event as finished- which is what is happening…… How about a clicky drop for all particiapants call it even a replica of the main drop… then simply shove 3-5 of the mian drops on the boss for the uber top damager players to fight over. This way everyone at the event is happy as they all got one keepsake and the uber players are happy as they still get to fight for the 3-5 main drops…??thoughts please…??

Please i know that some folks are really happy the way events are run now...hell they are bound to be if they get 20/ 30 drops or more a year...AND i know a lot of folks are not happy... and i and u have seen unhappy folks at the events causing mayhem and trying to ruin them....

This is gonna get HOT... iam trying to tread carefully...theres not mnay folks that would even try this post due to the hassle i will probaly get.....BUT i try say it as i see it....So please lets have a adult discussion on how these momento trinkets are best served....

1) Who are you to say what the idea is behind event drops?
And btw, they have been desirable and uber expensive since the dawn of events.

2) It sounds like maybe you just don't know the correct template to play or the correct gear to wear at each event. That is nobody's fault but your own and nobody else's problem. Especially the devs.

3) Most of those people you are referring to on the rares forum are very wealthy and simply bought the event items. So what? You have issue with a free market?

4) "the devs have scored an own goal....
At the end of the day.. the old system worked fine... why try fix something that wasnt broken"
My favorite point as these are your own words from the recent idoc thread.
The event system is not broken. Events happen and people get items. Why change it?


No offense but your whole post sounds like the rant of a spoiled child who is not getting what he wants.
Maybe instead of complaining you should be posting or pm'ing the good event players asking them to help you out?

 

[Longtooths]

Firstly I play Europa main shard- [ i do play others but Europa is my homeshard ] and love doing the home shard EM events but top damager doesn't seem to work to me ...and a lot of people are getting upset and annoyed at the events, as its always the same people from mainly other shards that get all the drops…just look on the rares forum on stratics and folks even boast how many drop they got in 2014…some in there 20s or 30s or more!!!! yet simple folks like me= zilch.

The people that get 20-30 items per year are also going to every single event. They have characters on every single shard, keep track of the schedules and attend almost all events. They also have the benefit of having been to so many events they know what to expect, where to go, even how specific EM's do things.

I have characters on all shards and I feel that, the investment in items, time, tokens etc. to do this along with the commitment to attend all events should be rewarded more than the person that simply goes to an event on their shard 4 times in a month. Effort generally scales with rewards....

Loot has not been determined by top damager for some time now. Every person that gets loot rights on the boss has a random chance to get the item dropped. Loot rights can be gained by damage to the boss, from the boss, rezing people, healing people or pets etc.

The whole idea of EM drops was a simple trinket reminder [ a keepsake] of the event taking place and not to sell for uber gold the minute the event as finished- which is what is happening…… How about a clicky drop for all particiapants call it even a replica of the main drop… then simply shove 3-5 of the mian drops on the boss for the uber top damager players to fight over. This way everyone at the event is happy as they all got one keepsake and the uber players are happy as they still get to fight for the 3-5 main drops…??thoughts please…??

Why would you single out top damager as the person to get the no-replica drop and not the top healer, most rezes, etc. It seems the best way to make it even and help out the, "simple folks like" you, why not make all items clicky for everyone. Seems the most fair to me.

Please i know that some folks are really happy the way events are run now...hell they are bound to be if they get 20/ 30 drops or more a year...AND i know a lot of folks are not happy... and i and u have seen unhappy folks at the events causing mayhem and trying to ruin them....

Again, I find the the people that are not happy are they ones that have not put forth the effort to have a character available to attend all events on all shards. As the people getting 20 to 30 drops in a year I assure you have.

 

[Picus at the office]

I personally can't stand the events and only go if people tell me about it while in vent.

 

[TheScoundrelRico]

LOL, I go to the events to steal items from those who come prepared to do major damage. Have gotten some nice weapons ...la

 

[Uriah Heep]

End of event clickie. Everyone gets one, there are many many of them given out. Not rare = no uber value = unhappy rares traders but happy shard residents...

 

[THP]

like i say lets have adult conversation.....no need for trollish child like comments....u know who u are few posts above .... Another great post/thread for better ideas ...etc and yes im guessing the people getting all the drops dont want change...and they will fight nails and teeth to keep it the same....but...we can only improve...please no more child like replies...enough crap...let do this like adults please..

 

[Uriah Heep]

like i say lets have adult conversation.....no need for trollish child like comments....u know who u are above..... Another great post/thread for better ideas ...etc and yes im guessing the people getting all the drops dont want change...and they will fight nails and teeth to keep it the same....but...we can only improve...please no more child like replies...enough crap...let do this like adults please..

*sets down pacifier and blankie*

 

[THP]

Pretty sure there will be far more wanting a ''slight change'' to the ones happy as it is....i think the clicky idea will stop all the anger and discontent and abuse at the events too...so this can only be a good thing... everyones get a trinket momento to remember events of olde and the uber warriors still get the end drops but in smaller numbers...hence better for them if they get lucky...for there uber sales scheme

 

[MalagAste]

I guess I'm baffled by the posts here... I agree with the OP... for the most part...

Here is my "Beef" on this... The Events are Geared to be RP.... Yet most RPers don't get the drops. RPers treasure the items.... most wouldn't sell them and like to keep them as something to remember the event by... they often keep stories or tell stories about the events... they appreciate the time, effort and energy the EM's put into the events... yet more often than not they are NOT the ones who get the rewards... yet they are the ones that attend on their shard FAITHFULLY. Where-as those who come solely for the "drop"..... only attend when they "think" there is a good probability for a drop... They are often RUDE, vulgar, and disruptive... As they don't care at all about the shard, the event or the other players there... They see this as a way to make a buck. Rares collectors don't have to do anything but sit back and wait for the ones who thanks to selling the high end drops can afford the most Uber of suits and the best of weapons.... And can afford to build such characters on every shard because they make 100's of millions in gold selling the rares to eager rares collectors..... however the meaning of those drops is lost on the collectors... The sellers could care less.... and the only ones hurt are often those on the shard the event took place on who are left with just the memory of the event because not only can they NOT afford the uber suits and Uber weapons... but they can barely participate in the event over the drones of folk screaming about "Shutting the F*** up and getting on with the Boss" because they just want the drop and to leave. So the event the people of the shard came to enjoy is pretty much drowned out by the screams of the Greedy SoB's that come from all other shards just to grab and go..

So Who exactly are the Events for? Apparently they are to cater to the Rares collectors. So I propose something else..... drop some big ass mob somewhere randomly on each shard at a random time and in a random place...... let the greedy SoB's search high and low for the damn thing and put some 4 or 5 items on it that drop to the top damagers.... leave this crap OUT of the EM events.... and instead for the EM events give ALL who participate something to take home. And don't have it be "uber" rare or anything like that... but match it to participation and RP. And for the love of pete make those items NON-Transferable.

How about doing separate events for rares drops and for RP? Rares drop events can be just about the bad ass mobs... no story or plot needed just see how many players can be killed. The RP drops then would be drops that are more participatory... Go thru the event participate solve the whatever get an item that has meaning and if folk attend and start acting like greedy SoB's and are rude to the EM's ...... remove them, if they continue to harass the EM's at the RP events .... BAN Them. Problem solved everyone happy.

 

[THP]

I guess I'm baffled by the posts here... I agree with the OP... for the most part...

Here is my "Beef" on this... The Events are Geared to be RP.... Yet most RPers don't get the drops. RPers treasure the items.... most wouldn't sell them and like to keep them as something to remember the event by... they often keep stories or tell stories about the events... they appreciate the time, effort and energy the EM's put into the events... yet more often than not they are NOT the ones who get the rewards... yet they are the ones that attend on their shard FAITHFULLY. Where-as those who come solely for the "drop"..... only attend when they "think" there is a good probability for a drop... They are often RUDE, vulgar, and disruptive... As they don't care at all about the shard, the event or the other players there... They see this as a way to make a buck. Rares collectors don't have to do anything but sit back and wait for the ones who thanks to selling the high end drops can afford the most Uber of suits and the best of weapons.... And can afford to build such characters on every shard because they make 100's of millions in gold selling the rares to eager rares collectors..... however the meaning of those drops is lost on the collectors... The sellers could care less.... and the only ones hurt are often those on the shard the event took place on who are left with just the memory of the event because not only can they NOT afford the uber suits and Uber weapons... but they can barely participate in the event over the drones of folk screaming about "Shutting the F*** up and getting on with the Boss" because they just want the drop and to leave. So the event the people of the shard came to enjoy is pretty much drowned out by the screams of the Greedy SoB's that come from all other shards just to grab and go..

So Who exactly are the Events for? Apparently they are to cater to the Rares collectors. So I propose something else..... drop some big ass mob somewhere randomly on each shard at a random time and in a random place...... let the greedy SoB's search high and low for the damn thing and put some 4 or 5 items on it that drop to the top damagers.... leave this crap OUT of the EM events.... and instead for the EM events give ALL who participate something to take home. And don't have it be "uber" rare or anything like that... but match it to participation and RP. And for the love of pete make those items NON-Transferable.

How about doing separate events for rares drops and for RP? Rares drop events can be just about the bad ass mobs... no story or plot needed just see how many players can be killed. The RP drops then would be drops that are more participatory... Go thru the event participate solve the whatever get an item that has meaning and if folk attend and start acting like greedy SoB's and are rude to the EM's ...... remove them, if they continue to harass the EM's at the RP events .... BAN Them. Problem solved everyone happy.

very solid post thankyou...

 

[Smoot]

like i say lets have adult conversation.....no need for trollish child like comments....u know who u are few posts above .... Another great post/thread for better ideas ...etc and yes im guessing the people getting all the drops dont want change...and they will fight nails and teeth to keep it the same....but...we can only improve...please no more child like replies...enough crap...let do this like adults please..

i want change. id like a system that is fair. the system we have is just as unfair as the old one. thank Lineman for that. I would like events to be rewarding for all playstyles. Some people have absolutely no interest in healing/damage. for them do a clicky every so often. From there, i would think it would be fair that a player that puts more effort into building a character should have more chance at a drop. As is is right now, this would hurt me because many of my characters are flat out terrible right now, and i know its the same for many eventers. A home shard player, with maxed skills / suit, should have better chance than a player who started a character, farmed just enough gold on the shard to buy scrappers / faction arties, and has the exact same chance to get a reward as a character whos maxed. Its all about what a person defines "fair" as i suppose.

 

[THP]

but im suggesting an event clicky drop so everyone taking part be in warrior ,healer or trademan gets a momento trinket for doing that event and surviving and to relive the tale another day.....and everyone is happy...AND.....yes still keep a small boss drop [3-5 etc] to keep these elite xshard/everyshard players happy to still get the uber drop too for there resale or whatever ??? i think this is a good fair/ trade off...

keep the posts coming....thanks for the input so far....

 

[Smoot]

The RP of events is up to the EM. Drachenfels doesnt RP at all. He copies pastes a story off the internet. Some have RP events montly with no drops and have very low turnout. On small shards, if there was no chance of an item the turnout might be 3-5 people. Some do heavy RP / Lore related Events, and people will still complain just because collectors like Solus, Nails, Olcher win them because they know lore and are good at RP when they want to be. Events arent RP, they just part of an mmorpg which by its nature has an RP element. The thing is, an EM is a paid posistion and very little of a strictly RP event really needs the special powers of an EM.

I would suggest anyone who has a "better idea" of how to run events email mesanna like anything else in this game we arent happy with.
Me, ill just enjoy what we have and make the most of it.

 

[Goldberg-Chessy]

like i say lets have adult conversation.....no need for trollish child like comments....u know who u are few posts above .... Another great post/thread for better ideas ...etc and yes im guessing the people getting all the drops dont want change...and they will fight nails and teeth to keep it the same....but...we can only improve...please no more child like replies...enough crap...let do this like adults please..

Classic bailout
Please explain how your own logic that you are still spamming like mad in the idoc thread does not apply here?
"At the end of the day.. the old system worked fine... why try fix something that wasnt broken"

Events are no more broken then idocs and both have their fair shard of cheaters.
game, set and match...

 

[Ma Nerva]

I believe drops from events should be based on how many people are there and then a pecentage of those with looting rights get a drop. Only drop i ever gotten was from playing roulette with m and then it seemed about 30 percent got a drop other 70 percent died. Not saying it should be 30 percent of those participating should get a drop. I'd like to see it more like 40 percent,since items are deco and dont change game play. More people satisfied and it does not change the rarity of the item for resale purposes for those that do only events. In fact it seems it would make more people know the item and say "yes" i want one of those.
And I do like the idea of a clicky once and a while too.

 

[Bobar]

In the most part I agree with the OP. I have done events on Europa for years and it does seem to me that events now have mostly deteriorated in terms of rewards for participants. I went to MANY years ago where a clickie was there at the end so everyone had a memento of the event. At that time I got ones like the Fireman's Helmet, a ring crafted by Kwi Lan the Elder Vampire and a seed bag containing a diseased seed amongst a number of others. I still have all of them too, because that is exactly what they are to me, a memento. Of course even then there were events where not all got a drop but at least there was a mix, sometimes you got something , sometimes you didn't. I play for enjoyment and for me that does not include having to have all the very best imbued equipment so that I can attempt to get a drop in the current crop of events, in which I CANNOT remember the last time everyone got something to remember it by. The current way events are run precludes many players from getting anything, not necessarily the best way to encourage new players, who go there, die a few times and get absolutely nothing except a few death robes. As to the drops being uber rares, is this some kind of a joke?, the instant rare. The old event items I have are now becoming rare by the traditional way, by age. I suppose its handy there are players prepared to pay silly prices for instant rares but I am certainly not one of them.

I see it didn't take long for the trolls to hijack this thread and to ridicule his post rather than produce decent argument, as is their way but I feel the OP has a legitimate statement to make and good reason to say it. The present system is only satisfactory to a few, a clickie now and then would be better. All players who attend should get something now and then. as they used to.

 

[Giggles]

Ultima Online is a beautiful game that allows the players to partake in many destinies and goals within the game. As a result of that, many communities have been formed. For example...
A Rares collecting community, a pvp community, a RP community, a IDOCcer community, the list really can go on for a while...
Members of these communities are players that invest a lot of time, gold, and interest in to their specific hobby and/or community. PvPers invest time and gold in to being better at pvp... Rares collectors invest time and gold into gaining new rares.. etc etc. Get my point?

That is what upsets me when ideas like this come up. Sugar coat it all you wish, but all this is a really saying is... "I like rares, and I want to have shinneys, and I don't think its fair that the people who are good at it have more of it then I do, so EVERYONE should get it!!" I mean honestly... that is a solution? All that will accomplish is devaluing everything, and it will kill a hobby of an entire community.
I am noticing this type of mentality everywhere.. "I don't have the time to find and camp IDOCs, so they should just be removed from the game, or everything should be placed in luna!" I don't have the time or the suit to compete in pvp, so instead I will complain that everyone who beats me is a cheater..."
I find myself rolling my eyes more and more at the people who whine and moan every single EM event once they have noticed that they did not get a drop. They treat off-sharders as if they are less then human mootchers... when honestly I don't know a single person who only plays one shard...

I guess the finale of my opinion is this... Stop trying to hurt and punish the people who take their passions above and beyond your ability to compete. Stop trying to make UO a game that gives everything to everyone on a silver platter. Allow people to take pride in their efforts and be rewarded for them. I am sorry some people only get to play 30 minutes a week, therefore you miss out on the game, but that doesn't mean everything you missed should be in your bank when you log in.

People really need to lose this sense of entitlement that has been running rampant lately...

 

[Smoot]

i want a butcher knife with:
30 splinter
50hld
50hit lightning

have i invested the time farming for it?
no
am i willing to pay 300mil for one?
no

do i think there should be a clicky for them?
...definitely not

i guess thats the difference between how players view the game. some think everything should be for everyone, some realize that nothing is fun if everyone has it. I live in America, where half the fun of having a Corvette isnt how fast it goes, its knowing you put the work in to buy it, and that its a luxury not everyone has.

Point is, People like rares because not everyone has it. thats the whole point. You dont need them, the system we have now is great for a very average player.
Id love to see PVM be alot harder in UO, id love to see Events be a competition for top damager. I think it makes sense that looting rights thresholds, on Everything, be adjusted accordingly with the gear inflation we got with global loot.

Just because you rp doesnt mean you have to suck at everything else. you can be good at more than 1 aspect of the game even if you dont love it. I hate imbueing. Its boring and mindless. Do i still do it? Yes because i want to make suits for my characters.

Its honestly not that hard to get looting rights at an event. I think it should be harder. Alot harder. Tired of people complaining who refuse to do something just because it isnt his/her primary playstyle, but still expect to get the same enjoyment of people who dedicate themselves to that aspect of the game.

THP this isnt directed at you specifically, its just my views. For years it frustrated me seeing all these people selling drops for 100s of mils, but i didnt complain about it because i did my own thing in the game. When i finally decided i wanted to get drops, i did what it took, on my own, nothing handed to me. And in 2 short years am competing with some of the long time eventers. Its just a numbers game now, just have to start somewhere. Everything in life takes a little bit of work, a little bit of luck, but most importantly a good attitude. Maybe im just an old fashioned dedicated gamer, but to me I play UO. Not farmville or some facebook game. I think events should be risk / vrs reward, not some communal picnic. Im gonna go cry now that the old system ( that was actually pretty good from a serious competitive gameplay standpoint) is gone and i have to be happy with handouts from the new. Its just not as rewarding to me. If all events were clickies, even if each were worth 1billion gold the thrill would just be gone and i would stop doing most events.

 

[THP]

I see it didn't take long for the trolls to hijack this thread and to ridicule his post rather than produce decent argument, as is their way but I feel the OP has a legitimate statement to make and good reason to say it. The present system is only satisfactory to a few, a clickie now and then would be better. All players who attend should get something now and then. as they used to.

Well kinda expected the trolls especially from the usual suspect!!......Hence the title...but hell most of us can have a grown up conversation at least......great post @Bobar ...keep them coming...

 

[Goldberg-Chessy]

Well kinda expected the trolls especially from the usual suspect!!......Hence the title...but hell most of us can have a grown up conversation at least......great post @Bobar ...keep them coming...

I produced what should be in the eyes of the OP the greatest argument imaginable because he makes it himself.

Do not attempt to fix what isn't broken.

I am completely enjoying the fact that he wont respond to it because he cannot without looking like a complete hypocrite.

 

[James Moriarty]

I have seen THP post numerous times that he doesn't do EM events and has not for years. So why this post now? He used to make the same comments a few years back and quite a few times sine then.

 

[Promathia]

I feel like this always comes up whenever THP doesn't get a drop on Europa.

 

[Captn Norrington]

I have looked at this every way I can, and tried to see it from everyone's perspective but this thread's main idea has been posted like 4 times by the same person in the last day or two, plus what I'm guessing is 20+ other times it's been posted in the past. At this point it's getting ridiculous, Life moves on.

There is a difference between posting what you believe in then trying to support your ideas, and completely obsessing on one topic, ignoring everything anyone says who doesn't agree with you and refusing to let it go.

I don't complain about not getting an item every time there's an event, I don't accuse everyone who gets an item of cheating, and I certainly don't try to dictate the rules of where other people move their items and what they do with the items after they are moved.

There are very few things left in UO that truly bother me, but people endlessly complaining about EVERYTHING gets really annoying really fast. Everyone complains once in a while, but when it's the same people complaining about every single topic, then switching which side of the topic their on to complain even more all it does is reduce the credibility of their future posts.

If you want a memento, and don't want to buy the rare from the event just make one yourself. Pick a random object, engrave it, pretend it came from the boss and there you go now you have a memento to treasure forever. Rares Festivals do it, and I like my 10 gold piece engraved statues from past rares festivals just as much as I'd like an actual rare from them because the items bring back memories of the festivals.

A memento is just an item that brings back memories, it doesn't have to be expensive, it just has to bring back memories. Please, stop trying to legitimize this topic with the memento thing. If you want rares to stay on a certain shard, find a way to make gold other ways, which will allow you to buy the items and keep them on the shard you want them to stay on.

Blaming everyone else for having stuff you don't is completely pointless. In literally every situation in real life, and virtual life hard work and dedication creates positive results like making money and accumulating items, as a reward for the hard work.

If you won't do the work don't complain about not getting the rewards that are a result of the work.

 

[Lucy of Kenton]

Firstly I play Europa main shard- [ i do play others but Europa is my homeshard ] and love doing the home shard EM events but top damager doesn't seem to work to me ...and a lot of people are getting upset and annoyed at the events, as its always the same people from mainly other shards that get all the drops…just look on the rares forum on stratics and folks even boast how many drop they got in 2014…some in there 20s or 30s or more!!!! yet simple folks like me= zilch.

The whole idea of EM drops was a simple trinket reminder [ a keepsake] of the event taking place and not to sell for uber gold the minute the event as finished- which is what is happening…… How about a clicky drop for all particiapants call it even a replica of the main drop… then simply shove 3-5 of the mian drops on the boss for the uber top damager players to fight over. This way everyone at the event is happy as they all got one keepsake and the uber players are happy as they still get to fight for the 3-5 main drops…??thoughts please…??

Please i know that some folks are really happy the way events are run now...hell they are bound to be if they get 20/ 30 drops or more a year...AND i know a lot of folks are not happy... and i and u have seen unhappy folks at the events causing mayhem and trying to ruin them....

This is gonna get HOT... iam trying to tread carefully...theres not mnay folks that would even try this post due to the hassle i will probaly get.....BUT i try say it as i see it....So please lets have a adult discussion on how these momento trinkets are best served....

 

[THP]

I produced what should be in the eyes of the OP the greatest argument imaginable because he makes it himself.

Do not attempt to fix what isn't broken.

I am completely enjoying the fact that he wont respond to it because he cannot without looking like a complete hypocrite.

Wasnt going to lower myself to your floor level but...he do keep digging and showing yourself up.....
''Do not attempt to fix what isn't broken.''
Events are certainly not good...so many people get upset at them... people then resort to trying to ruin events, etc... because there no happy with them .I certainly dont think events are working well, and many others think likewise.....as we have already read on this thread , AND a lot of others dont either alas let me remind you too, a lot of people dont respond on here because of the **** they will get from folks like you so stay quiet....they dont want your constant dribble all the time....so shy away.

I my friend stand upto the school bully and his/her minions!!!!.

So yes Events are broken and do need attention..albiet maybe slight changes...the people have spoken on this thread so NO chessy u are wrong ...It is time to fix something that needs change .....Lets try make a fomula to keep everyone happy not just the elite 20.

UN

THP [Legandary Idoc Hunter] - Retired.

 

[Lucy of Kenton]

iam surprised at some of the posts, a person is entitled to their own views and he is simply expressing his.
i own a museum and have alot of old items there and i will not buy new drops as it seems to bring out greed
eurropa EMs put on some good events, however in teh RP stage of many the hall may be packedbut it is hard to follow any conversation as alot of spamming goes on WHAT IS THE DROP? COME ON LETS GET GOINGand some even sit onthe EM or run around disrupting.
what is the answer i dont know, account bound items maybe? no drop wouldnt allow the items to bedisplayed
but insulting the OP wont achieve anything

 

[The Craftsman]

When i finally decided i wanted to get drops, i did what it took, on my own, nothing handed to me. And in 2 short years am competing with some of the long time eventers.

And this highlights one of the main reasons why UO cant attract new players. An experienced UO player, took 2 years to be able to compete in game at something. If it took an experienced UO player 2 years to be able to compete, how long would it take a new player? No game should have a learning curve that steep ... not if it wants to attract new players and grow. This is part of the reason new players dont stay and why UO is a slowly dying game. The elitist attitude is shocking.

New players (or any player for that matter) should be able to participate in EM events with a chance of getting something. It shouldnt take 2 years to compete.

 

[Bobar]

Classic bailout
Please explain how your own logic that you are still spamming like mad in the idoc thread does not apply here?
"At the end of the day.. the old system worked fine... why try fix something that wasnt broken"

Events are no more broken then idocs and both have their fair shard of cheaters.
game, set and match...

You have a propensity for quoting irrelevant items from other threads for some reason, but in your eagerness to malign the poster I should point out that the example you have chosen actually does the exact opposite of what you intended, you are, in fact wrong, AGAIN.

If you bother to go to the Rares Forum and check the section for Event Items you will find that the first time a clickie appears to have been used is as far back as 2003, since that time there was a slow increase each year with hundreds of items being distributed that way from around 2009 till 2012. However in 2013 a major difference can be seen, just one, a farewell gift from the EM on Napa is seen on the European shards. although there is still a wide distribution on the Asian shards. In 2014 the death of the clickie is evident, NONE on any shard anywhere. So in fact, even here, the statement you have chosen to highlight still applies, the old system worked fine and they did fix something that wasn't broken. The OPs opinion looks to be correct and your extrapolation from a different thread wrong. I do wish you would engage the brain and check facts before attacking somebody else's post..



As a side note, looking at the facts one suspects that the EMs had no problem with clickies so the decision to stop using them looks to have been an executive one. One wonders why? but as always the question will probably remain unanswered. My belief is that an occasional clickie would hurt no-one, sure, they would not have the value of a drop but at the same time the value of the actual drops when there was no clickie would become greater. It would also reward those on each shard who faithfully attend every event.[/QUOTE]

 

[Smoot]

And this highlights one of the main reasons why UO cant attract new players. An experienced UO player, took 2 years to be able to compete in game at something. If it took an experienced UO player 2 years to be able to compete, how long would it take a new player? No game should have a learning curve that steep ... not if it wants to attract new players and grow. This is part of the reason new players dont stay and why UO is a slowly dying game. The elitist attitude is shocking.

New players (or any player for that matter) should be able to participate in EM events with a chance of getting something. It shouldnt take 2 years to compete.

to be fair the same could be done under the current system in about 3 hours per character. manually, fresh start with 1k noob gold. Or pretty much instantly buying an lrc suit and advanced character token from a third party site.

My 28 characters across 14 shards were made extremely slowly, many under the old system that required maxed out skills.

anyone can become an "eventer" the hardest part isnt making characters its just keeping up with the schedule and having the real life time windows for it.

i would support a clicky here and there, but honestly i think its too easy now to "invade" shards with really bad characters and still get drops when a home shard, totally maxed out character has no advantage over a character fresh out of haven with 3 hours of gametime under its belt.

you are correct, a new player might not have the knowledge on how to make one of these characters in 3 hours or less, but its not rocket science. basic aspects of the game, how to make a couple hundred k fast, using vendor search, how to train a skill, what items to using to increase skill, pretty basic stuff.

 

[callum_fitzhugh]

In the most part I agree with the OP. I have done events on Europa for years and it does seem to me that events now have mostly deteriorated in terms of rewards for participants. I went to MANY years ago where a clickie was there at the end so everyone had a memento of the event. At that time I got ones like the Fireman's Helmet, a ring crafted by Kwi Lan the Elder Vampire and a seed bag containing a diseased seed amongst a number of others. I still have all of them too, because that is exactly what they are to me, a memento. Of course even then there were events where not all got a drop but at least there was a mix, sometimes you got something , sometimes you didn't. I play for enjoyment and for me that does not include having to have all the very best imbued equipment so that I can attempt to get a drop in the current crop of events, in which I CANNOT remember the last time everyone got something to remember it by. The current way events are run precludes many players from getting anything, not necessarily the best way to encourage new players, who go there, die a few times and get absolutely nothing except a few death robes. As to the drops being uber rares, is this some kind of a joke?, the instant rare. The old event items I have are now becoming rare by the traditional way, by age. I suppose its handy there are players prepared to pay silly prices for instant rares but I am certainly not one of them.

Mix it up and wear it out. Different drop types - some clickies, some random chest hidden, some for top banana, some fome completing a quest solo, some hidden in dungeons on the floor - mix it up. Make it FUN. Flame away. But as soon as the drop system changed AWAY from random/mixed up/luck you ended up with... well what you got now...

Remember when Bladius Dart a role player on Europa with NO skill above 100 looted A Dark Elf Longsword? SO he was happy and could role play away with an item.

 

[Longtooths]

iam surprised at some of the posts, a person is entitled to their own views and he is simply expressing his.
i own a museum and have alot of old items there and i will not buy new drops as it seems to bring out greed
eurropa EMs put on some good events, however in teh RP stage of many the hall may be packedbut it is hard to follow any conversation as alot of spamming goes on WHAT IS THE DROP? COME ON LETS GET GOINGand some even sit onthe EM or run around disrupting.
what is the answer i dont know, account bound items maybe? no drop wouldnt allow the items to bedisplayed
but insulting the OP wont achieve anything

Why is it that unless a person expresses the same views as you, then they are are insulting. If you are going to support people expressing their views, be prepared to have people express views that are contrary to yours.


I am a proud Multi-Sharder, multi accounter, or whatever other negative nomenclature you would like to call me. But I do not ruin events by screaming at the em or other players. I do not disrupt the event by asking when the drop is. And I don't make a fortune off of selling the items. I generally keep every single drop I get. So, generalizing a group of people and attaching every negative thing that happens to them is null and void.

I hate the people screaming that stuff just as much as you do. I cringe for the EM when I see it. It is rude, petty and childish and I wish the EM's had more power to punish it as it happens.

As for these unhappy people not getting drops. The more events you do the more chance you have to get a drop. Second, I have personally witnessed, brand new mage characters, like new meaning 2 minutes old, run in punching the boss, dying, rezzing, rinse and repeat and not only did they get loot rights, they got the drop.

So the only reasons I see that people are unhappy is a) they believe they are entitled and deserve every drop b) They are simply not good players c) lag/computer issues d) lack of EM Event knowledge.

Btw my characters are all mage/weavers with 300m suits best of everything etc. There have been months where I didn't get one drop and I attended every single event. So if you are only attending your shards events, you can extrapolate that and see that you might not get an item for several months just doing 4 events a month.

 

[The Craftsman]

Remember when Bladius Dart a role player on Europa with NO skill above 100 looted A Dark Elf Longsword? SO he was happy and could role play away with an item.

Oh I remember very well. I was a member of the Guardsmen Militia and served under Capt. Dart. I RP'd a tailor from Skara Brae who had given up that life to join the militia in Yew. I had GM Tailoring on my combat template (my only GM skill ... my combat skills were in the 90's as I didnt train them. They just raised naturally as I was on patrol, sparring with my Militia comrades or RPing an event. Id go on patrol, skewer a few trolls with my longsword, pepper a few bandits with arrows and then return to camp and run you up a fine quality kilt. Good times.

 

[THP]

Okies well we all new this would get HOT...

Like i say a lot of players are happy as it is ...so will defend the system tooth and nails....jeeeprs they would probably face a rabid dog in real life with a stick than have changes made to the EM Event program and yes yes they have put some valid points forward to why this maybe so...ie lot time/money spent....

However 0n the other hand a lot of players are unhappy....and this post was for ideas etc to maybe balance thing more.... thats UO life....Its always gonna be like that....some love some hate..... The post was to try reason and get a happy mediumn....

WELL iam glad to say the great lady herself as been in touch and says they are thinking of a new system that hoepfully will hoepfully favour/give a better advatage to Homeshard players to Xshard players...[ gasps yes u read that and thats one great step].....Now i know we are all gonna say how can we distinguish between the 2 types of players ...as i have asked myself and indeed mesanna herself- this we will have to see...But hell its a small result ....and a step in the right direction for sure.....

I still wish to see at Least one or two clickies mixed in with the events too/per shard ....But for now...happy days...

Have a great UO day and keep any ideas coming... lets keep this adult ok

 

[Keith of Sonoma]

Okies well we all new this would get HOT...

Like i say a lot of players are happy as it is ...so will defend the system tooth and nails....jeeeprs they would probably face a rabid dog in real life with a stick than have changes made to the EM Event program and yes yes they have put some valid points forward to why this maybe so...ie lot time/money spent....

However 0n the other hand a lot of players are unhappy....and this post was for ideas etc to maybe balance thing more.... thats UO life....Its always gonna be like that....some love some hate..... The post was to try reason and get a happy mediumn....

WELL iam glad to say the great lady herself as been in touch and says they are thinking of a new system that hoepfully will hoepfully favour/give a better advatage to Homeshard players to Xshard players...[ gasps yes u read that and thats one great step].....Now i know we are all gonna say how can we distinguish between the 2 types of players ...as i have asked myself and indeed mesanna herself- this we will have to see...But hell its a small result and for me and others .....and a step in the right direction for sure.....

I still wish to see at Least one or two clickies mixed in with the events too/per shard ....But for now...happy days...

Have a great UO day and keep any ideas coming... lets keep this adult ok

I heard mention of a new system at the Sonoma meet and greet and I am looking forward to it!

 

[THP]

I heard mention of a new system at the Sonoma meet and greet and I am looking forward to it!

Me too...yes me too...

 

[Vexxed]

Couple of Things...

1) It's silly that EM events are primarily about making $$$. When an event designed to be Role Play Fun simply becomes the BEST way to make $$ in UO you know it's not working right...

2) Make Event Drops unable to be Transferred Via Shard Shields...... or even better SHARD BOUND. I'm guessing that if you take away the "This is the BEST $$ I can make in UO aspect" that EM events would lose a ton of participants

 

[Picus at the office]

So THP, if they just got rid of event drops and made it a purely RPing thing this would solve the issue right? Ya know just like getting rid of the IDOC issue, it would be the same thing.

This has nothing to do with Pixels.....or wait.

 

[Picus at the office]

WELL iam glad to say the great lady herself as been in touch and says they are thinking of a new system that hoepfully will hoepfully favour/give a better advatage to Homeshard players to Xshard players...[ gasps yes u read that and thats one great step].....Now i know we are all gonna say how can we distinguish between the 2 types of players ...as i have asked myself and indeed mesanna herself- this we will have to see...But hell its a small result ....and a step in the right direction for sure.....

She has contacted you directly? I fail to see how your wants are somehow more valid than mine or anyone else.

 

[TheScoundrelRico]

I fail to see how your wants are somehow more valid than mine or anyone else.

It probably makes a difference if they agree with you or someone else's opinions...la

 

[Giggles]

Okies well we all new this would get HOT...

Like i say a lot of players are happy as it is ...so will defend the system tooth and nails....jeeeprs they would probably face a rabid dog in real life with a stick than have changes made to the EM Event program and yes yes they have put some valid points forward to why this maybe so...ie lot time/money spent....

However 0n the other hand a lot of players are unhappy....and this post was for ideas etc to maybe balance thing more.... thats UO life....Its always gonna be like that....some love some hate..... The post was to try reason and get a happy mediumn....

WELL iam glad to say the great lady herself as been in touch and says they are thinking of a new system that hoepfully will hoepfully favour/give a better advatage to Homeshard players to Xshard players...[ gasps yes u read that and thats one great step].....Now i know we are all gonna say how can we distinguish between the 2 types of players ...as i have asked myself and indeed mesanna herself- this we will have to see...But hell its a small result ....and a step in the right direction for sure.....

I still wish to see at Least one or two clickies mixed in with the events too/per shard ....But for now...happy days...

Have a great UO day and keep any ideas coming... lets keep this adult ok

No-one is behaving like rabid dogs. Several good points have been made and you only chose to side with and comment on those in support of your own idea.

There is no way possible to distinguish between home shard players and off shard players. The governor system has the same dilemma. Ultima Online has become a multi server game for MANY people. If it wasn't for player housing.... several of the "dead" servers would have already been closed. It is so childish and ridiculous for people to behave in such a alti newcommer mentality overall.

When I log in to pacific I am a citizen of pacific. When I log in to atlantic I am a citizen of atlantic. I pay for my account just like you and anyone else. I have a right to play whatever server I chose. Just because I haven't been on Sonoma since 1842, doesn't mean I should be unwelcome there. Pushing this topic to this length will only accomplish the following.
1. nothing will change.
2. drops will stop being given.
3. drops will be given to everyone thus reducing their overall appeal and rare status.

What are you trying to accomplish THP? Are you just out to hurt the rares community? I honestly don't understand why people feel this hostile about EM drops. Its a drop.. only 10-20 people get it. Its 100% random! What is the argument?

 

[THP]

I contacted mesanna myself and she kindly replied to me on this topic.....replied that they are looking at a system that may make it fairer for homeshard players on the home shard events ...and like i already said im not sure how they will distinguish between home shard and other shard players but thats the response she gave and ive been told by at least two others that they have heard the same....

and giggles read my post...i aknowledge the rares peoples points..read it again...
''Like i say a lot of players are happy as it is ......etc etc etc.... yes yes they have put some valid points forward to why this maybe so...ie lot time/money spent....''

i too can claim that you have only ''your point of view'' and dont see any ''others point of view'' either....alas i do see both sides myself....jesus im 46 not 16....And at this moment iam happy things are maybe going to change ever so slightly... but yes... im sorry if u cant see why other folks who havent got elite chars with 300m suits and gm skills on every shard .... want a better chance of a lets face it an ''event momento trinket''....thats all they are to me...not a bloody meal ticket

 

[THP]

read the title again...read it...please and behave....this aint felucca PVP in general chat....

 

[Giggles]

I contacted mesanna and she kindly replied that tey are looking at making it fairer for homeshard players...and like i already said im not sure how they will distinguish between home shard and other shard players but thats the response she gave and ive been told by at least two others that they have heard the same....

and giggles read my post...i aknowledge the rares peoples points..read it again...
Like i say a lot of players are happy as it is ...so will defend the system tooth and nails....jeeeprs they would probably face a rabid dog in real life with a stick than have changes made to the EM Event program and yes yes they have put some valid points forward to why this maybe so...ie lot time/money spent....

i too can claim u have only your point of view and dont see any other point of view either....alas i do....iam happy thing are maybe going to change ever so slightly... but yes... im sorry if u cant see why other folks who havent got elite chars with 300m suits want a better chance of a lets face it a event momento trinket....

I have a character on atlantic with 70 magery and a sorc suit. I got a drop standing there healing someone elses greater dragon. I didn't need a 300 dollar suit for that.

Honestly I'm not a super awesome elite rares dealer. I just recently started going to events on the few servers I have blue characters on. That is what confuses me about your argument. It already is random... you already don't need a high end suit. All you need is a little time and patience. That's why I am asking you... what exactly is upsetting you and other people, other then people playing the game on multiple servers as they already have the right to do?

I have seen other peoples points of view, and all I am really gathering is people have a issue with new players on their server. Or people on their server who are only there to experience the in game content with a small chance at a drop. Which again is their right to do. For me to understand and support any other argument.. there needs to be some logic behind it. I don't see any of this as being anything short of "Im mad other people got it and I or my friends didn't". Or "this is my server and people who play other servers shouldn't be here."

Am I wrong?

 

[THP]

yes u r wrong.....stop looking as a rares collector please...events are for everyones enjoyment

iam looking for a slight better system....like others wanted a different Idoc system from lets be honest a system that most thought was perfect...and got it...this is essence is what we have here,,,,some think its perfect others feel a slight tweak is needed...

i simply ask everyone for idea if things can be made better for the good of the game.. to stop the crap/hassle we see at the events.....what could be simplier.....just ideas....iam not here for people to slap talk... jesus.... and to be fair i have my answer for a small part from mesanna.. so for now we can only discuss more maybe...i still feel a few more clickies mixed in with the normal events would help.....

thoughts.....and maybe thoughts on the new change and how it can be implemented...as like u say i cant see how the distigush will be made....time will tell i guess

 

[Giggles]

read the title again...read it...please and behave....this aint felucca PVP in general chat....

I am perfectly behaved, and well aware "this aint felucca PVP in general chat". I will ask you to behave and please refrain from using condescending behavior and vague taunts with your "mature" arguments.

K thanks =)