Not only is this type of behavior not allowed in game, but is not allowed here on the boards. Griefing in trammel is just what it is...griefing.In Fel, I kill them, In Tram, I run for my life from Lurg and the bear and the entire corps of baddies in the fan dancer dojo. I can't help that they target and kill them, I am invising near them just to save my own life..honest. I had to field the entrances so they couldn't get to me, my bad. It was purely unintentional that the fields I cast trap them in with all those baddies. I am so sorry they have died many times now. They should really be more careful.
Sorry to inform you but yes it is, on both counts.Not only is this type of behavior not allowed in game, but is not allowed here on the boards. Griefing in trammel is just what it is...griefing.
Sorry to inform you but yes it is, on both counts.
I am not luring, I am running away. I am not griefing, I am playing the game.
I can state my opinions openly on these boards as long as i stay within the ROC... if you don't like them....don't read them.
Me thinks thou doth protest to much...hmmmm
Luring is against the rules. If you have to lie to yourself to make it right then you have issues. If you have to lie about it on the boards to justify your actions then I wont even tell you what I think.If I've been targetted by a nasty and I cant win or get away quick enough, I'll hide. That does mean if someone else is there they'll get targetted, thats just a side effect.
If I was to use boxes and box myself in so they cant hit me then invis myself, then thats breaking the game's RoC, griefing and will get me banned. Legging it when Lurgs hitting me for 40+ points of damage is sense!
QFT, Mister E.I can state my opinions openly on these boards as long as i stay within the ROC... if you don't like them....don't read them.
tirade...personal attacks now eh? its no tirade, I just wanted people to know what i deal with everytime i turn the computer on. I deal with teh pain, why? because i Hvae to live with it. I certainly am not going to stop posting because some idiot does not like whta i have to say. I would rather be in complete pain than let an idiot write a post like yours without it recieving a proper rebuttal.QFT, Mister E.
And a few other things to add to Mister E. ...last I heard Stratics was no longer the "official" boards for UO...just because the Devs sometimes (rarely) post here doesn't mean they are still "official".
Also, why do you continue this tirade when it causes you so much pain from your MS, as you made a point of telling us in your original post in JC's thread up above?
Finally, it's really hilarious reading your posts proclaiming everybody who is "grieving" this bot by just trying to get away from the spawn in the area are breaking the rules when you yourself fully admitted to using scripts (due to your MS) in the same post referenced above, which if you haven't read the Terms of Service lately, breaks Section 5e. So everybody else is breaking the rules but it's alright for you to break them by using a third party illegal program to script with?
You are making a point that is not valid. You link the decline in population to "griefers" killing script-bots that obviously are nothing different than script-bots; this is nonsense. Players left, including myself, since they were simply sick of rampant scripting operations corrupting nearly any aspect of the game. Goldfarming is one, but ressource-srcipters and bod-scripters as well as heartwood-scripters still haven't been targeted and are still operating with great success. I maybe will re-start playing, but only when any scripting is weeded out. Meanwhile I play WoW, simply because it is much more difficult to script there (not impossible, but difficult) - and first of all because blizzard REALLY has a zero-tolerance-habit towards cheating (what they document with court actions against bot-scripters, e.g.). And, btw - I meet people there, no "ghostlands" at all.I cant count the number of goodbye threads I have seen on these boards...and it makes me ill to think how many would have stayed if people only acted like they would to people in the real world. Its alright though...think what you will of me. I am just some loony who really wants this game to move forward.
an opinion is one thing, a hypothetical situation describing acts that are considered illegal is another.I can state my opinions openly on these boards as long as i stay within the ROC... if you don't like them....don't read them.
You are making a point that is not valid. You link the decline in population to "griefers" killing script-bots that obviously are nothing different than script-bots; this is nonsense. Players left, including myself, since they were simply sick of rampant scripting operations corrupting nearly any aspect of the game. Goldfarming is one, but ressource-srcipters and bod-scripters as well as heartwood-scripters still haven't been targeted and are still operating with great success. I maybe will re-start playing, but only when any scripting is weeded out. Meanwhile I play WoW, simply because it is much more difficult to script there (not impossible, but difficult) - and first of all because blizzard REALLY has a zero-tolerance-habit towards cheating (what they document with court actions against bot-scripters, e.g.). And, btw - I meet people there, no "ghostlands" at all.
regards
Personal attack by saying tirade? Are you frigging serious? The only personal attacks I see are the ones you continously made towards me in your reply. As to your not saying other posters are griefing, I'll not waste my time couting up the number of times you bring it up through out either thread...I do have things to do today and would rather not sit here in front of the computer all day just counting. rolleyes:
Finally, I never said you were supporting the scripter or you personally were scripting in general (and you tell me I don't have decent reading comprehension...lol), all I pointed out was the hypocrisy of you coming here complaining about other people breaking the rules when you do it yourself. The justification doesn't matter any way you want to look at it...your breaking the rules, which puts you in the same light as anyone else that breaks any of the rules.
Just noticed you edited your post with another few lines...not sure if your responding to me or not with the farmer line/question, but if you are, please point out in my original post where I made the implication that you were a "farmer" as I am unable to locate it.
IF you cant turn your cheek in a video game about something that does not affect you THEN you have a RL issue you need to deal with.
Grow up and look at yourselves. If you dont like the game, leave. Quit complaining and try to enjoy yourselves again.If you see something you dont like either report it or turn the other cheek. If you do anything else BESIDES that you are breaking the same damn rules you are complaining about others breaking. Pot...Kettle...Black!
You repeatedly encourage others to turn the cheek but yet you keep going. Per your own words, you reported it now turn the other cheek already. If you have been griefed by people out to get scripters then report them and be done with it. You accuse Giggles of throwing fuel on the fire but your the one with the gas can in my opinion. Scripters are what's ruining the game not people trying to do something about it, again my opinion. Painted caves is a favorite spot of mine and many others, but we have been uprooted and driven out because we can't compete with the speed at which a script attracts and kills the spawn there. Sure i have some chars that can control the area, but not all of them, so why should my actions be limited or dictated because someone is so blatantly breaking the rules?So just like life, learn to turn the other cheek. Once you report a matter there is nothing left to say or do. If all of us can follow up with this we will all in the end enjoy things more. I for one do not enjoy coming to a forum filled with negativity, and the same applies to the game.
If you dont like the game, leave. Quit complaining and try to enjoy yourselves again.
genuine curiosity my ass, and dont forget i said i was just as against gold farming as the rest of you. what you keep forgetting here is that i am tired of the constant bull**** that goes on ehre on these forums as well as in game regarding the farmers. you fail to see teh damage these actions are causeing the *normal* people in the game.If you recall, you were the first to bring up your handicap...all I did was ask out of genuine curiosity why you continue to post regarding this subject if it causes you so much pain. Now if you still consider that a personal attack, then see that little triangle with the red exclamation point in the center below my name? Click on it and let a Moderator explain to you how that was not a personal attack but you calling me an idiot is.
As for me being a hater of the handicapped permit, that's rediculous. I'm not hateful towards the handicapped, I'm just indifferent to them. Thier problems aren't mine, and I have enough of my own to take care of to worry about someone elses...something maybe you need to learn how to do.
True, you did make a legitimate complaint about the griefing and how it affects your game play, and I can understand that and agree with you on that part, being that I have been stopped a couple times as well in the past by people who thought I was unattanded while filling some kegs. But the difference is that I didn't let it bother me to the extent that it does you. And yes, you are in the wrong for scripting skills. Did you even take the time to go read the Terms of Service? I doubt it considering the number of times you've replied to this thread in an attempt to justify your own breaking of the rules due to your handicap. Breaking the rules is breaking the rules, no matter how you look at it or try to justify it.
no I wasnt complaining about grieifng a scripter...if you were paying attention i was complaining about greifing in general. glad you can comprehend the difference like the rest of them.OMG is this guy actualy pancakes about peopel " griefing " a scripter ????
IMHO keep up the good work , these muppets cant be griefed enough !!!!!
Man, what a can of worms here.....either way, posting about some jerk scripting and ways to stop them isn't what you guys call "griefing"
People need to lighten uprolleyes:
because that is regardless of what you think illegal. its another form of luring.Why don't people tame some dragons and release them on the scriptors?
excuse me but there is a difference between turning the other cheek and defending your stance. like i have stated time and time again kill them all you want and lure all you want in fel...its legal there. but to post about breaking the rules and actually breaking them in trammel makes you no better than the person you are trying to get killed. not to mention if a GM shows up in tram its going to be your butt that ends up in jail for griefing.Mister E.. perhaps you need to take some of your own advice..
You repeatedly encourage others to turn the cheek but yet you keep going. Per your own words, you reported it now turn the other cheek already. If you have been griefed by people out to get scripters then report them and be done with it. You accuse Giggles of throwing fuel on the fire but your the one with the gas can in my opinion. Scripters are what's ruining the game not people trying to do something about it, again my opinion. Painted caves is a favorite spot of mine and many others, but we have been uprooted and driven out because we can't compete with the speed at which a script attracts and kills the spawn there. Sure i have some chars that can control the area, but not all of them, so why should my actions be limited or dictated because someone is so blatantly breaking the rules?
So again, here are your own words
thats my problem here. i dont care about the scripters one bit (meaning i dont like what they are doing...not as in who cares)...but i do care about how others justify doing something illegal to *fix*the issue. i do care how moderators continuously allow this content although it blatently is in violation of the rules. its the philosophy of *my poop dont stink but yours does.*Sorry if I'm not up on all the Trammel rules as I play Siege since AOS messed up the game with over power items.
Question your character?? I merely suggested you take your own advice, you seem to take offense easily, none was intended. Just pointed out how you need to follow the advice you give out..excuse me but there is a difference between turning the other cheek and defending your stance. like i have stated time and time again kill them all you want and lure all you want in fel...its legal there. but to post about breaking the rules and actually breaking them in trammel makes you no better than the person you are trying to get killed. not to mention if a GM shows up in tram its going to be your butt that ends up in jail for griefing.
about turning the other cheek....thats about playing your own game. if you follow the rules, page a gm if you see something shady, then i have no issues with you. the moment you start posting about griefing other players weather they are scripting or not, then we have an issue. can you see the difference?
i am personally tired of dealing with the blowback from these witch hunts, and i am not even a damn farmer...nor do I like what they are doing.
if you want to question me as a player then have a legitiment reason for doing so. if you dont know me then you dont have a legitment reason to even judge what i do. to question my character because i have an opinion is rediculous, especially when you question the character who does not like farmers anymore than you do.
you suggesting i take my advice was completely uncalled for. i dont grief people in tram or worry about what they are doing. actually i am the type who lets karma take its toll, however i finally just got tired of the same crap posted here so i put in my two cents. as a result my health has been questioned, my sincerity has been questioned, and even my agmeplay has been questioned. (thats where i get questioning my character) all i did was speak an opinion to greifing and this was the reply. can you not see the correlation between the tactics used on me and the tactics used in game? I dont even farm nor do i break the rules if i can help it...so how has the conversation turned from what people do being illegal to trying to defame me?Question your character?? I merely suggested you take your own advice, you seem to take offense easily, none was intended. Just pointed out how you need to follow the advice you give out..
As for griefing players, there has to be a player involved (my opinion). But let's talk rules, it is griefing to lure lurg to where other players are at, true. It is not griefing to attack him and run for the exit, it is clearly outside the area and the other players are completely off screen. (don't worry I know you will argue intent vs wording of the rules).. Also quick scanning EA's knowledge base it is clearly stated that blocking recall spots is NOT griefing. But as i pointed out my method of choice is to allure a monster (which is opposite of luring) and the script becomes broken and again perfectly legal.
Man, I just don't see where you get questioning your character. Seriously no need to be so defensive, they were your own words after all.
ummm nope...seems you got me all twisted because you made assumptions based on me having an opinion and stateing it here."Sad thing is the same people pancakes at me about my complaints are the same ones who are complaining about the result of their complaining"
Well then, here's me, that didn't complain a single bit about the BoS's or the Bods, yet I agree completely with everyone you seem to be against. Cheaters and Scripters are more responsible for legitimate players leaving this game than any changes made to combat them have been. History has shown us that posting obvious scripting operations get action taken against them, so I'm all for posting EVERY SINGLE LAST ONE OF THEM ON ANY SHARD AT ANY TIME, AND DOING SO REPEATEDLY.
I guess that blows your theory there huh? =P
Actually it is a citizen's right to make a citizen's arrest if they witness a felony in process, and yes I quite like it that way thank you very much. And as i said, them being in painted caves is interfering with my normal game play so your suggesting would be that I stop playing till if and when something is done? Blah..griefing for any reason is absolutely unesscessary. if you cant let the GMs do thier jobs then you are not folowoing the rules. personally if i see a cop in RL i dont ask if i can use his gun to shoot a crook down the street...how does this differ ingame. both are illegal, and both are vindictive as all hell. after all, i stopped going to luna and naming my chars funny names meant to put smiles on others faces as a direct result of the nonsense. next step being quitting the game...
take my own advice? quit posting illegal content and we wouldnt have an issue at all. again...you have a knack for trying to twist the information before you...however it doesnt make what i say any less reasonable or credible. this never was about me...this was about the community. i was speaking on behalf of the *good part* of this community and was personally attacked on several occasions as a result.Actually it is a citizen's right to make a citizen's arrest if they witness a felony in process, and yes I quite like it that way thank you very much. And as i said, them being in painted caves is interfering with my normal game play so your suggesting would be that I stop playing till if and when something is done? Blah..
Quite frankly you are the one that is making this about you. Frankly, said what I had to say, take your own advice, now i am going to go play the game and if scripters get in my way they better improve their scripts.
ah, nice to have at least ONE person that understands things...no I link these witch hunt threads directly to a decline in population. along with the lack of response to scripting. Good people are affectedtoo ya know...after all you left right?. The bags of sending, bod turn in times...what have you. All of those were all changed due to player response on these boards as a result of scripters farming one thing or another. Sad thing is the same people pancakes at me about my complaints are the same ones who are complaining about the result of their complaining. MY BAG OF SENDING SUCKS NOW! I CANT TURN IN MY BODS SO FAST! I CANT DO THIS!! I CANT DO THAT!!!
Hopefully that helps you understand a bit....
Wow! Never had someone get so upset having their own words quoted back to them. As for twisting things around, funny cause was thinking same about you. Now after you go back and read my comments in both threads you will find that my comments to thwart the scripters involve PLAYING THE GAME! No where did I advocate luring and leaving the area, I suggest playing the game. Closest I came was talking about farming Grobu's fur, but since moving lurg to the front is for purpose of fighting Grobu and not killing the scripters (happy by product mind you) and thus dragging Lurg to an unihabitted area isn't luring/griefing just getting him out of the way no rule says i have to fight every monster. Other comments were to allure one trog and watch script hang (not illegal, not griefing, not luring) and wishing large group would go and page a GM at same time, again perfectly legal. And yet you in response to me say to quit posting illegal tactics. hah! Who is twisting things again?take my own advice? quit posting illegal content and we wouldnt have an issue at all. again...you have a knack for trying to twist the information before you...however it doesnt make what i say any less reasonable or credible. this never was about me...this was about the community. i was speaking on behalf of the *good part* of this community and was personally attacked on several occasions as a result.
citizens right? lol, have you ever heard of culling the herd? feel free to grab the gun out of crooks shaky hand...at least feel free to try. i wont be standing at the grave calling you a hero...however some less flattering words would come to mind. your family would probably be wondering why the heck you just didnt stay out of the way and let teh police officer (in the case of the forum the GM) do thier job. lets not forget that in game your *citizens right* in tram is to page on teh illegal conduct btw, not to act the part of GM.
I don't know where you get the 6 mo in jail vs life in prison or to accuse me of making light of it, but then to turn around and make light of my death.intent is the difference between 6 mo in jail and life in prison. please do not make light of that.