You are trolling. No amount of logic, intelligent arguments, or plain common sense has any chance of denting your negativity. Discussing just about anything with you is pointless...*snip*
You are trolling. No amount of logic, intelligent arguments, or plain common sense has any chance of denting your negativity. Discussing just about anything with you is pointless...*snip*
Not sure if you mean UO Assist or UO Automap there - in ten years plus of playing, I've never used or 'needed' UOAssist, so I'm guessing you mean Automap, which was extremely useful.Some use UOC, but either way, the only thing that was needed in the CC was UOA.
Your relentless arguments for "allowing cheating with the Classic Client" and the "get rid of the Enhanced Client because it allows cheating" that I find are tiring and quite transparent. I don't understand the argument that people can't "compete" in a game without cheating... thousands of players do just that quite well in UO. At one time I thought maybe you were trying to make a valid point, but now all I see is that you don't want your favorite CC cheat program to be blocked.If the shoe fits. They've taken several aspects which were cheating and made them legal with the EC, giving an unfair advantage over non-EC players. ...
I'm not going to argue with this, because everyone in this thread has already done so for me. I'm just going to say this: You can tell you're a troll when even other people who dislike the EC start calling you an idiot.Of course, its also a legit way for players to cheat.
Your post was a troll...way to be a hypocrite...I'm not going to argue with this, because everyone in this thread has already done so for me. I'm just going to say this: You can tell you're a troll when even other people who dislike the EC start calling you an idiot.
That and when you have 3 locked threads on the UHall front page at one time, like you did last week.
You are a master of irony, sir. Kudos to you.Your post was a troll...way to be a hypocrite...
Pot + Kettle = Cogniac
Could you please enumerate those aspects?If the shoe fits. They've taken several aspects which were cheating and made them legal with the EC, giving an unfair advantage over non-EC players.
No more than the 2D client becomes a huge mess of spell icons.Not to mention it becomes a huge mess of hotbars.
That is not true.The good thing about the EC is that you cant use a 3rd party app to cheat using it.
I wasn't the one crying about trolling you was...You are a master of irony, sir. Kudos to you.
The other difference is that the EC will log you out after some minutes of macroing, no matter what. So running macros endlessly while afk is not possible with the EC, but it is possible with the Classic Client.That is not true.
Both clients have the same level of cheat prevention. The only difference is that there are more 3rd party apps available for the 2D client.
It could be a number of things, actually, some of which fall under the "laptop's fault" category.It isn't your fault, or your laptop's fault. 3D game environments make some people feel ill. It's a bit like having problems with motion sickness. The EC doesn't do it to me, but sometimes full 3D games will make me feel somewhat ill, and I know there are many with a far worse problem with that than I have.I keep trying to use it bit it makes me feel ill.
Probably something to do with my laptop, I'll give it another go when I finally upgrade.
Actually, it's also possible that the smooth motion of the EC results in motion sickness.It could be a number of things, actually, some of which fall under the "laptop's fault" category.
The most likely problems include:
1. Outdated drivers or directx (can cause choppiness, blurring, and other issues that can trigger motion sickness)
2. An outdated video card that doesn't meet the minimum requirements of the client (can cause choppiness, blurring, and other issues that can trigger motion sickness)
3. A video card that fits the minimum requirements, but doesn't work properly because of an issue with the card and/or the client (can cause choppiness, blurring, and other issues that can trigger motion sickness)
4. Slow components (CPU, memory, hard drive...) causing choppiness
5. The way things are rendered causes motion sickness for you (which can actually be split into a number of different causes, some of which cause people to feel ill playing the 2D client as well)
6. You were experiencing temporary medical problems at the time you tried using the client, causing you to have high sensitivity to light and motion
7. A combination of the above and/or other unlisted things that can contribute to motion sickness
That a post is locked is not often the fault of the OP, mostly the following debate.That and when you have 3 locked threads on the UHall front page at one time, like you did last week.
That was part of what I was considering "the way things are rendered", but I hadn't ever thought of lowering the framerate as a solution (probably because I have the opposite problem, where the low framerate of the 2D client gives me motion sickness [but only if I take an extended break from that client, because I get used to it quickly]).Actually, it's also possible that the smooth motion of the EC results in motion sickness.
Either you're making this up, you're using the overclock for the few netbook graphics cards or its a super netbook.It even runs on my netbook, but the screen is so small I really can't see much and playing on a touchpad is weird to me.
So what you're saying is that the EC is utter crap and can't be used to train skills etc. especially those that require repeated actions?The other difference is that the EC will log you out after some minutes of macroing, no matter what. So running macros endlessly while afk is not possible with the EC, but it is possible with the Classic Client.
Not being able to repeat actions for more than a short while = crap. So hence, it is what he's saying.That is not what Pike said at all. Your spin has been noted.
Absolute thickheaded nonsense, or an outright lie... I'm not sure which it is that you are doing. That is NOT what Hawkeye_Pike is saying and you know it. You are just twisting other people's words to suit your own agenda of "cheating-should-be-okay." It's old and tiring.Not being able to repeat actions for more than a short while = crap. So hence, it is what he's saying.
Its not a "spin" and using the term noting something when you're in a dual role of both moderator and poster is an unfortunate mix-up.
EAsyinfo says: Operating SystemMicrosoft Windows Server 2003 family, Professional Service Pack 2 (Build 3790)Fail[2010/05/06 14:52:22] libpatchclient initialized.
[2010/05/06 14:52:22] Currently running as [C:\Program Files (x86)\Electronic Arts\Ultima Online Stygian Abyss\uopatch.exe]
[2010/05/06 14:52:22] Currently running as [C:\Program Files (x86)\Electronic Arts\Ultima Online Stygian Abyss\uopatch.exe]
[2010/05/06 14:52:22] Notification of restart with alternate filename
[2010/05/06 14:52:23] libpatchclient initialized.
[2010/05/06 14:52:23] Currently running as [C:\Program Files (x86)\Electronic Arts\Ultima Online Stygian Abyss\uopatch.bin]
[2010/05/06 14:52:23] Nothing to patch for [EAMythic Patcher]
[2010/05/06 14:52:30] Patch size is 1960251464
[2010/05/06 14:53:03] Decompression failed for remote file [base/unpacked/f51aa9700d765d26].
[2010/05/06 14:53:04] Decompression failed for remote file [base/unpacked/2c65fa1b285e0993].
[2010/05/06 14:53:11] Failed to update unpacked files for [uo-test-rel.prod].
[2010/05/06 14:53:11] Failed to patch stage [main].
[2010/05/06 14:53:11] Failed to patch main product.
[2010/05/06 14:53:38] libpatchclient initialized.
[2010/05/06 14:53:38] Currently running as [C:\Program Files (x86)\Electronic Arts\Ultima Online Stygian Abyss\uopatch.exe]
[2010/05/06 14:53:39] Currently running as [C:\Program Files (x86)\Electronic Arts\Ultima Online Stygian Abyss\uopatch.exe]
[2010/05/06 14:53:39] Notification of restart with alternate filename
[2010/05/06 14:53:39] libpatchclient initialized.
[2010/05/06 14:53:39] Currently running as [C:\Program Files (x86)\Electronic Arts\Ultima Online Stygian Abyss\uopatch.bin]
[2010/05/06 14:53:39] Nothing to patch for [EAMythic Patcher]
[2010/05/06 14:53:42] Patch size is 1956358506
[2010/05/06 14:54:19] Error retrieving HTTP file data.
[2010/05/06 14:54:51] Decompression failed for remote file [base/unpacked/f51aa9700d765d26].
[2010/05/06 14:54:53] Failed to update unpacked files for [uo-test-rel.prod].
[2010/05/06 14:54:53] Failed to patch stage [main].
[2010/05/06 14:54:54] Failed to patch main product.
Are you using an account with admin privileges? The client might be getting permission errors when it tries to do something.I wish someone had a suggestion for meI've been trying to install the darn thing for months. All I get is this:
EAsyinfo says: Operating SystemMicrosoft Windows Server 2003 family, Professional Service Pack 2 (Build 3790)Fail
Actually, Windows XP X 64
http://vboards.stratics.com/showthread.php?t=187692Anyhoo ... The Enhanced Client. Ive been trying it out and its still a blurry, messy, mismatch of wrongly scaled mobs and items. House deco looks crap.
If anyone on these boards can imagine...a discussion with the comments preceding this highly appropriate observation... in TeamSpeak. Oh. My. God.You are trolling. No amount of logic, intelligent arguments, or plain common sense has any chance of denting your negativity. Discussing just about anything with you is pointless...
Ugh, Win XP 64 bit. It is a very poorly supported operating system. You might go see if there are any updates for your chipset drivers, but if there aren't any you might want to consider upgrading to 64 bit Windows 7. In fact you'd probably even do better with a 64 bit GNU/Linux distro...I wish someone had a suggestion for meI've been trying to install the darn thing for months. All I get is this:
EAsyinfo says: Operating SystemMicrosoft Windows Server 2003 family, Professional Service Pack 2 (Build 3790)Fail
Actually, Windows XP X 64
Two observations:I'm off to play something better. With adults.
Bye
I have a 486 notebook with an nVidia 6600go video card in it, and 3gb of memory - not top of the line, nor even remotely close, and it plays the EC just fine. Of course, it's not what most would consider a laptop, but was termed a desktop replacement, and was designed for gaming.Either you're making this up, you're using the overclock for the few netbook graphics cards or its a super netbook.
And sure it can run on just about anything, but it will be unplayable on many due to jerkiness and lag.
Ditto/Two observations:
1. Good luck finding an MMO without animated and sometimes heated discussion involving all kinds of issues. In fact you would probably have a hard time finding a completely dead one without any heated arguments going on somewhere about it - although there won't be any official forums so they may be harder to find.
2. Sounds a bit to me like someone had their mind made up before they asked their questions.![]()
Are you using an account with admin privileges? The client might be getting permission errors when it tries to do something.
Have you tried running the patcher with your firewall and antivirus disabled? Your firewall or antivirus might be blocking access to something the patcher needs.
Those are the only things I can think of that might be causing it to fail off the top of my head. Have you opened a support ticket on it? Mythic hopefully can figure out more reasons why you might be seeing those errors.
You're both waayyyy off the mark, that error has nothing to do with admin privileges, poorly supported, firewalls or anything like that.Ugh, Win XP 64 bit. It is a very poorly supported operating system. You might go see if there are any updates for your chipset drivers, but if there aren't any you might want to consider upgrading to 64 bit Windows 7. In fact you'd probably even do better with a 64 bit GNU/Linux distro...
I've tried:Are you using an account with admin privileges? The client might be getting permission errors when it tries to do something.
Have you tried running the patcher with your firewall and antivirus disabled? Your firewall or antivirus might be blocking access to something the patcher needs.
Those are the only things I can think of that might be causing it to fail off the top of my head. Have you opened a support ticket on it? Mythic hopefully can figure out more reasons why you might be seeing those errors.
Yes, the equip macros in the EC are a lot better than the ones in CC... but that is an argument to have them added to the CC, not remove them from the EC. There are probably technical issues with adding the functionality to the CC, because of the limits in the macro system.The EC lets you create "equip weapon" macros which do it almost instantly. To pvprs, this is a huge advantage. It allows you to cycle a vast amount of weapons and specials incredibly fast.
The EC and CC peak at the same speed. The EC just handles lag better. No cheat there, just technical limitations of the CC that probably wouldn't be cost-effective to try and fix.Then of course the speed and auto avoidance. Obviously huge. Huge huge. Surprising that they put this in.
Thank you for the 73 posts to my original questions. 2 or 3 of them actually took the time to provide me with an answer, whilst the rest got sidetracked amid the usual UO bickering. Nice to see that in my year or so away nothing much has changed ... at least as far as uhall posters are concerned.
Anyhoo ... The Enhanced Client. Ive been trying it out and its still a blurry, messy, mismatch of wrongly scaled mobs and items. House deco looks crap. If this really is the best they can do a year or so after releasing beta then we can safely consign EC to the trash can along with the 3d client and the KR client (remember that? ... thats the one that when 95% of us were playing it they would stop supporting the classic client). Hilarious.
So ... they can tinker around as much as they like with bugs and glitches but I'll wager that this client will NEVER get formally released. It will stay in beta until they pull the plug on either it, or UO. You'd think that after 3 failed attempts to replace the original client then the penny would drop ... you cant replace it, hence the 3 epic fails.
Thanks to the UO devs, and you bickering lot here on uhall, I am reminded once again why I quit. I used to get embroiled in these uhall slanging matches and was probably too close to see it, but after a year away and coming back and seeing it with fresh eyes, you all look like a bunch of whining kids. Grow up for gods sake.
I'm off to play something better. With adults.
Bye
Lord Chaos used the word "cheat", and you said he had a point... I figured you were explaining that point.I didn't actually call it a "cheat"
Because there are technical limitations in the CC client that prevent it from improving enough to gain many of the advantages that the EC client has (without re-writing so much of it that it would be more costly than making a new client, and have just as many people complaining about the changes as you have by making a whole new client).Why they are so fixated on convincing people to "switch" is beyond me.
This is not entirely true.(House deco looks like crap? This guy hasn't even used the EC yet, otherwise he would have noticed that house deco is exactly identical to the Classic Client.)
No, you don't want Home Premium 64 Bit, it has some bad limitations. Get Win7 Pro.Finally, Petra Fyde, ditch XP 64bit. As stated it has a VERY limited support structure. You can get the upgrade to Win7 Home Premium (Really all you'll need as the upper two versions have useless addons) for about $100 or so.
Its not cheap, but you need Win 7 PRO 64 Bit. Though, keep your eyes on your PM box.edit: and it took so long to type all that I didn't see Lord Chaos' answer till after I posted it. So. It's saving up for windows 7 then. I guess I better look up how much that is. Small fortune I expect.
It's quite a bit worse... When I drop something in the 2D client, it drops where I drop it, with the only exception being that if it hits the bounding box... but you get used to THAT. When I drop something in the EC, it drops at some point down and to the left of the cursor. Yeah, if I'm dropping everything in the lower left corner, everything's fine... but I'm not.They work fine for me. There are some issues with items being a bit difficult to arrange, but once you get used to it it isn't much worse than those same kinds of issues with the classic client.
...Especially when the graphics he derides so heavily are the ORIGINAL UO GRAPHICS The ONLY graphical upgrades that the EC has as of now are the terrain (downgraded from KR) and the character models (also very heavily downgraded in resolution from KR). So what's the problem here? I would venture to say that it's that the original 2d graphics, love them or hate them in their current form DO NOT SCALE WELL. Again, like Storm says, the biggest thing holding back any new client is the old client itself.
So. It's saving up for windows 7 then. I guess I better look up how much that is. Small fortune I expect.
I'm not a big fan of Microsoft, but switching to Windows 7 would be a wise choice. They did a lot of things right with Windows 7. However, if you are just buying it for a home computer the "Pro" version would be a waste of money.I run windows 7 64 bit and its worth it not to mention it has some neat features like sharing with devices like a tv or another computer with win 7
There are advantages in using the EC, without a doubt, but they were put there intentionally, and calling them a cheat is ridiculous. The devs have put a lot of effort into the EC and if everyone were to switch to the EC it would make their jobs easier, so it is entirely understandable that they would try to create some incentives for doing so.Lord Chaos has a point - I'm surprised more people are not upset and on his side actually.
And when you look at the screen shots, the KR client actually had a lot going for it. Yes it looked different, but it actually looked pretty good, a lot better than the EC in my opinion, and better than the CC as well. However, that is water under the bridge now.Actually, in this case, the thing holding back the EC are things that make absolutely no sense from a design standpoint. I mean, let's look at the KR graphics (please save waving the banana tree around)... They neither met the look nor spirit of Ultima Online.
Thats rubbish. Especially coming from XP 64 Bit, the home edition is the version that is a waste of money. The pro version is the best and the fastest of them all. (unless you specifically need a feature of Ultimate)However, if you are just buying it for a home computer the "Pro" version would be a waste of money.
I said it legitimized cheating, I didn't say it *IS* a cheat now. It gives a major unfair advantage and several features that were once considered cheats.There are advantages in using the EC, without a doubt, but they were put there intentionally, and calling them a cheat is ridiculous.
Perhaps an incentive would be making the EC less of a pile of dung.The devs have put a lot of effort into the EC and if everyone were to switch to the EC it would make their jobs easier, so it is entirely understandable that they would try to create some incentives for doing so.
So if someone said you and others could get a Ferrari cheap, but it would come with giant pink dildo, which you can't remove and smells of dead people inside, which you can't remove either. Would you take it just because it has advantages over regular cars?But one can never underestimate the human tendency to hold on to the familiar regardless of the advantages of letting it go.
CC>KR>ECAnd when you look at the screen shots, the KR client actually had a lot going for it. Yes it looked different, but it actually looked pretty good, a lot better than the EC in my opinion, and better than the CC as well. However, that is water under the bridge now.