Cleansing winds and Protection: gimp released soon

[Mervyn]

There was an old thread about how mages using cleansing winds and protection was too overpowering, i dismissed the idea as you can't really do any damage as a mage in protection.

However a new template has been engineered with protection using cleansing winds and + resisting spells jewelry that enables a player to be invincible 1v1 and also be able to insta kill most chars (or at least be as aggressive if not more than other templates)

I'll release the full template and suit in a week (as to even things out to prevent just a select few from being more powerful than others)

FIX REQUIRED: make resisting spells in protection capped at 85/90 (based on inscribe) without being able to boost it to 120 with + skill jewels, also it may be worth thinking about decreasing phys resist to say 55 max in protection.

Regards Mervyn, Europa.

 

[Yen Sid]

There was an old thread about how mages using cleansing winds and protection was too overpowering, i dismissed the idea as you can't really do any damage as a mage in protection.

However a new template has been engineered with protection using cleansing winds and + resisting spells jewelry that enables a player to be invincible 1v1 and also be able to insta kill most chars (or at least be as aggressive if not more than other templates)

I'll release the full template and suit in a week (as to even things out to prevent just a select few from being more powerful than others)

FIX REQUIRED: make resisting spells in protection capped at 85/90 (based on inscribe) without being able to boost it to 120 with + skill jewels, also it may be worth thinking about decreasing phys resist to say 55 max in protection.

Regards Mervyn, Europa.

Uh-huh, no to everything. There are solutions that have been discussed about protection many times here. Ward tali, purge magic, are good choices.

 

[Mervyn]

Yeah these will not help against the new engineered template, can't really go into more detail without revealing too much

 

[Hurley]

If purge magic was switched to a Magery spell and Weapon hit spell, that would solve the problem completely.

 

[Mervyn]

I agree that it's a good idea to have purge as a magery spell, however, purge magic does not help against the new engineered template, i may aswell just release it now omg

 

[ohmyGED]

I agree that it's a good idea to have purge as a magery spell, however, purge magic does not help against the new engineered template, i may aswell just release it now omg

Might as well. I'm curious.

 

[Yen Sid]

I agree that it's a good idea to have purge as a magery spell, however, purge magic does not help against the new engineered template, i may aswell just release it now omg

Well release this 1337 gimplate now cause I think your full of shït personally. And no Purge Magic shouldn't be a Magery spell, there are already 64 Magery Spells. There are what? 16 Mysticism spells? Hmm, lets just take away from Mysticism that will solve everything.

 

[Vexxed]

I'm going to guess this...

120 Mage
120 Eval
120 Myst
120 Focus
120 Resist
120 Spellweaving

With near 20 MR your good to go as far as Mana is concerend & 20 is quite possible... Add in a lvl. 6 Arcane Focus and simply go into prot. & Cast Summon Fey then Spellplague spam them..

It's a so-so Template.... nothing special .

 

[Yen Sid]

I'm going to guess this...

120 Mage
120 Eval
120 Myst
120 Focus
120 Resist
120 Spellweaving

With near 20 MR your good to go as far as Mana is concerend & 20 is quite possible... Add in a lvl. 6 Arcane Focus and simply go into prot. & Cast Summon Fey then Spellplague spam them..

It's a so-so Template.... nothing special .

Don't think that's it, I use that template and I don't see it as unbeatable lol. PvM I put on 120 Med instead of Resist.

 

[Mervyn]

I will allow one week to see if devs cap resisting spells at 85/90 under prot before i release

Don't want to ruin the game.

 

[Lord GOD(GOD)]

Its Nerve/Plague.

 

[Obsidian]

What are the items used in the suit with resisting spells? I assume ring and brace have 15 each. Where is the other 4 points coming from (assuming human)?

-OBSIDIAN-

 

[Yen Sid]

I will allow one week to see if devs cap resisting spells at 85/90 under prot before i release

Don't want to ruin the game.

They won't cap it. It's been how long?

 

[Yen Sid]

What are the items used in the suit with resisting spells? I assume ring and brace have 15 each. Where is the other 4 points coming from (assuming human)?

-OBSIDIAN-

Aegis of Grace or the Alch tali I would assume.

 

[ohmyGED]

We talking about Bokuto Mystics?

 

[Mervyn]

We are, with orc brute

 

[deraiky]

Thats so months ago..

 

[Ls Jax Ls]

All I know is that I developed a dexxer template on test shard that used mysticism in protection (which I then went on to make on a real shard) with a bokuto which can kill ANYONE with pre-casted spellplague and two consecutive nerve strikes. Being as I've played it extensively, I can tell you purge magic is not going to solve the problem (although it would help in this case and even more so with mage/mystics in protection). Again, as every true PvP'er knows, the root of the problem is spell plague. It is simply WAY too powerful and I have no clue why they first of all haven't nerfed it, but instead actually buffed it, which completely boggles the mind. (Hopefully restroom cowboy doesn't see this and then writes some ridiculous counter-argument as to how spellplague somehow takes skill and blah blah blah...)

 

[Mervyn]

yeah it hits hard, but the point is, it's combined with the fact that you can't be killed, all you have to do is mystic heal (in combination with evade as if mystic heal wasn't enough), even when eventually you do manage to get purged out of it, (after resisting the first few with 120 resist) and lets say it happens to purge protect and not...magic reflect/reactive armor/str pot/dex pot..

All you then have to do is nerve strike an opponent and cast protection again, and you're away. (it's a level 2 spell, short casting time)


Fel is about to get very dull......

Oh btw you forgot the bombard on a spellstone for the finish (incase for some miraculous reason your target survived)

 

[puni666]

LOL, you obviously haven't been around the GL shard at all. Honestly the only sound effect you hear is either Spell Plague being cast, or a billion swings of the bokuto since you only need like 30 stam with the 5 SSI robe to swing at cap... this game is going to $@#* fast... well pvp wise anyways (the only thing I honestly enjoyed about it).

 

[Mervyn]

Yeah i have to say, if used with protection with +35 resisting spells, it's up there with the critical strike wod archers.

Game ruined. And I have one in my guild....

 

[Lynk]

It is not that difficult to survive against one of these templates. They are all over great lakes. The offense is extremely predictable.

 

[funkymonkey]

But the one in your guild is REALLY bad at it...

 

[spoonyd]

It is not that difficult to survive against one of these templates. They are all over great lakes. The offense is extremely predictable.

I have to agree with Lynk here. This temp is a one trick pony. It's easy to see coming, appling quickly isn't very hard either....and what do you do if I don't die? Run away since you flushed your mana and missed? Glad I'm not your guildie Mr. Bok Mystic. rolleyes:

 

[Merion]

How on earth does a skilled PvPer get hit twice in a row by melee fighter?

This would be scary if it could be done by an archer or thrower, but a melee fighter? I don't know what happens on your shards, but show up with a ridiculous template like that at Drachenfels Yew Gate and you won't last long.

 

[puni666]

How on earth does a skilled PvPer get hit twice in a row by melee fighter?

This would be scary if it could be done by an archer or thrower, but a melee fighter? I don't know what happens on your shards, but show up with a ridiculous template like that at Drachenfels Yew Gate and you won't last long.

Nerve strike pretty much makes you sit there till they hit you with the next hit. They get 2 chances to hit while you're para'd so do the math on 2 HCI/DCI maxed Players. 50% hit... 2 swings.. at least one hits.

And yes the template is predictable offensively, but really what's the plan after you've defended yourself from the 150+mana damage dump... chase them down till they're full mana? Then add anyone else attacking you while this template is on your a$$ it's just a ridiculous damage output. I'm sure you yourself have witnessed it Lynk since you play one and have 3-4 of these guys on lately.

 

[lucitus]

There was an old thread about how mages using cleansing winds and protection was too overpowering, i dismissed the idea as you can't really do any damage as a mage in protection.

However a new template has been engineered with protection using cleansing winds and + resisting spells jewelry that enables a player to be invincible 1v1 and also be able to insta kill most chars (or at least be as aggressive if not more than other templates)

I'll release the full template and suit in a week (as to even things out to prevent just a select few from being more powerful than others)

FIX REQUIRED: make resisting spells in protection capped at 85/90 (based on inscribe) without being able to boost it to 120 with + skill jewels, also it may be worth thinking about decreasing phys resist to say 55 max in protection.

Regards Mervyn, Europa.

This is the fact iam not playing pvp anylonger, Mystic is too strong, it is like Necromancy after AoS or stronger.

The mages have cried many years the archers are too strong, but ask you is that really what you want? This is no real mage!

But iam too old for that, playing against overpowered imps is not to have fun and so iam not entering this battle and say imps against imps

 

[Restroom Cowboy]

Yeah these will not help against the new engineered template, can't really go into more detail without revealing too much

You mean a protection mage who uses resist jewels and items to be 120 resist in pro? If you cannot take them out of pro just walk away, because odds are you won't kill them nor they you. However you (as mentioned several times now) do have the option of using ward removal and purge magic. There is also eo+mana vamp (still) and mortal (still)...

2/3 mages I fight that use this method die...the third normally just runs away.

So, what does this mean for you? It means you should stop crying because of newer content and just figure out how to fight the new temps. Hell, I played a straight scribe mage for years...even with all the other gimp temps kicking my butt I was out there trying...not in here crying.

 

[Restroom Cowboy]

This is the fact iam not playing pvp anylonger, Mystic is too strong, it is like Necromancy after AoS or stronger.

The mages have cried many years the archers are too strong, but ask you is that really what you want? This is no real mage!

But iam too old for that, playing against overpowered imps is not to have fun and so iam not entering this battle and say imps against imps

Oh...so having double hit spell, 4 mana moving shots, balanced bows, and 40 dmg exp. pots was not an issue to you...but mysticism is?

 

[Restroom Cowboy]

Nerve strike pretty much makes you sit there till they hit you with the next hit. They get 2 chances to hit while you're para'd so do the math on 2 HCI/DCI maxed Players. 50% hit... 2 swings.. at least one hits.

And yes the template is predictable offensively, but really what's the plan after you've defended yourself from the 150+mana damage dump... chase them down till they're full mana? Then add anyone else attacking you while this template is on your a$$ it's just a ridiculous damage output. I'm sure you yourself have witnessed it Lynk since you play one and have 3-4 of these guys on lately.

you still crying about mystic dexxers? lol...just fought one last night. not only was he predicatable...but also VERY EASY to kill. no resist = easy kill...if you played a mage you would know this.

 

[puni666]

you still crying about mystic dexxers? lol...just fought one last night. not only was he predicatable...but also VERY EASY to kill. no resist = easy kill...if you played a mage you would know this.

You must have low quality players on w/e shard you're on.

 

[Cetric]

its not bad to survive and do well against this template 1v1. As lynk mentioned,g reatlakes is riddled with it.

The problem is when you have multiple, say in a group of 5.. 2 of them running this, the rest just cross healing, bolaing, and support damage.

*im lookin at you dubar/lynk*

 

[Restroom Cowboy]

You must have low quality players on w/e shard you're on.

huh...I always figured Atlantic carried the upper echelon of east coast (and many excellent west coast) players...

For starters...if a dexxer casts SP on me...he is getting slept. If he apples that he is getting plagued...from there it is mana vamp city, ect ect ect.

If I die to this kind of char...its my fault...however I won't blame things on the temp being too overpowered. It is because I did something wrong in order to die to such a hole filled template.

 

[Restroom Cowboy]

its not bad to survive and do well against this template 1v1. As lynk mentioned,g reatlakes is riddled with it.

The problem is when you have multiple, say in a group of 5.. 2 of them running this, the rest just cross healing, bolaing, and support damage.

*im lookin at you dubar/lynk*

well...same could be said of ANY templates. sync a good attack with any group of any temp...hell even bards...and you can wipe out any player almost immediately...with or without mysticism.

 

[Cetric]

Restroom, hop on gl, i'd be happy to give you a demonstration of the power of the temp (good luck mana vamping someone with resist..)

 

[Restroom Cowboy]

Restroom, hop on gl, i'd be happy to give you a demonstration of the power of the temp (good luck mana vamping someone with resist..)

If you have resist, then I will wait till you run out of mana and burn up a heal stone...if you don't kill me with your dump and you are out of mana there is little you can do for a short period of time. Also, good luck hitting with a SP on a dexxy...guarantee I will apple before you ever hit with the bok .

Sorry, no can do with a pvper on GL atm...he is now my fisherman. (took skills and items that were uneeded back to atl.) Perhaps in a few weeks I will be able to afford another mage to send over there...just trying to get ready for the booster pack!

Perhaps if you are on Cats or Atl you can show me the same?

 

[puni666]

Dang, I bet he'd put some more miles on my swampy chasing him down :/.

 

[Restroom Cowboy]

Dang, I bet he'd put some more miles on my swampy chasing him down :/.

Nope...Running was never in my nature...I would rather die to a better player and return to offer them praise over a good fight.

I highly doubt the same would be said of you...considering how awful you must be if you are unable to counter a 7th level spell or use an apple in time to avoid death.

Perhaps you should carry potions? rolleyes:

 

[Lynk]

To be honest I'm surprised it took this long for a uhall thread. No one seemed to really pancake that much when I started this with Lunchbox.

 

[Lynk]

its not bad to survive and do well against this template 1v1. As lynk mentioned,g reatlakes is riddled with it.

The problem is when you have multiple, say in a group of 5.. 2 of them running this, the rest just cross healing, bolaing, and support damage.

*im lookin at you dubar/lynk*

Don't forget winding!

 

[spoonyd]

Nope...Running was never in my nature...I would rather die to a better player and return to offer them praise over a good fight.

I highly doubt the same would be said of you...considering how awful you must be if you are unable to counter a 7th level spell or use an apple in time to avoid death.

Perhaps you should carry potions? rolleyes:

Why do you need heal potions when you can have a HEALING STONE FOR 300 pts!!!! RAWR!!! "Dude my heal stone ran out....stop attacking me for a min or I'll run away....." rolleyes:

 

[Winker]

Yeah i have to say, if used with protection with +35 resisting spells, it's up there with the critical strike wod archers.

Game ruined. And I have one in my guild....

Merv, your guild is full of new players to PvP. I am more than sure that even if you(the more experienced PvP'er in your guild) and 2 others were using this template, you would still die a horrid death.

Tell you what get 3 of your boys to get this template up and running and come to yew gate with them, instead of running through yew and hoping to get chased, stand and fight see who wins.

I will allow one week to see if devs cap resisting spells at 85/90 under prot before i release

Don't want to ruin the game.

One last thing… Why do you think your so important that Dev's would take what you say here and act upon it within a week? Since when have the Dev team done anything within a week…FFS get a grip of your self!

The game is far from being Ruined! Come meet my mystic/mage/tamer with 2 bakes and see how long you last...Spell plague, all kill = game over!

 

[hazrad]

Nope...Running was never in my nature...I would rather die to a better player and return to offer them praise over a good fight.

I highly doubt the same would be said of you...considering how awful you must be if you are unable to counter a 7th level spell or use an apple in time to avoid death.

Perhaps you should carry potions? rolleyes:

That's what I call sportsmanship! I like that. 8)

 

[lucitus]

Oh...so having double hit spell, 4 mana moving shots, balanced bows, and 40 dmg exp. pots was not an issue to you...but mysticism is?

Restroom you should better play there with sh1t

I know you like your gimp template but calling yourself mage sorry this stinks!

 

[funkymonkey]

Restroom you should better play there with sh1t

I know you like your gimp template but calling yourself mage sorry this stinks!

opposed to what? Dp dexxer with a orc brute?

 

[Cetric]

To be honest I'm surprised it took this long for a uhall thread. No one seemed to really pancake that much when I started this with Lunchbox.

Thats because a single apple, missed deathstrike, anything completely denies lunchbox of killing someone, making him imo, ineffective. The nerve strike dexer version allows for much more flexibility.

 

[Cetric]

Nope...Running was never in my nature...I would rather die to a better player and return to offer them praise over a good fight.

I highly doubt the same would be said of you...considering how awful you must be if you are unable to counter a 7th level spell or use an apple in time to avoid death.

Perhaps you should carry potions? rolleyes:

You may not be getting the point, or may be ignoring it, i dunno.


In a straight 1v1, or even duel setting, this template won't be quite as effective against a good pvper. Its more in a field setting, where someone can run up with sp precast, land it, and try tog et a nerve strike off. I have killed alot of people on this template by running that simple tactic, and have stoppe dplaying the template because it was too simple to play.

precast sp
nerve strike
nerve strike
trigger, chase and hit, or somethimes they are already dead.


That is why i say, 1v1, this isn't a big deal, apple, boom, persons all screwed up. In most cases, if u apple the plague, or they miss the nerve, they will run off screen to replace the lost mana.

It is just an insane amount of damage to dish out in a very short period of time, and adding it into a group severly complicates the matter. i'd recommend not denying this template is OP until you have tried it yourself.



I have to admit, i like spell plague to an extent, many people that hate spell plague and mystic in general, are generally dexers or pure mages who don't have a true counter to it in purge, plague, blood oath, etc.
My biggest objection is, and again, i have made a template like this, 4 different ways in fact, is that i can 2 hit kill someone, or 2 hit kill - trigger. If 1v1, you can drop someone in 1.25seconds, in same cases 2 seconds, it is OP. Add that into a group situation, and it is downright devastating as you may be semi focused on dumping an opponent, when this guy goes on you out of no where.

That being said, spell plague is the root of many of the complaints. I think the spell plague nerve strike combo needs looked at a little. I ran an early version of this with magery instead of bushido, and i can say, without nerve strike, the template loses alot of its punch. I tried using a spear, spell plague, para blow, armor ignore. and it wasnt as powerful as nerve strike.

Many peoples counter is saying, you should be able to fizzle it. Rightfully so, a mage should be able to fizzle it. A good mystic/mage knows when to time up his spell plague amidst a dump of disrupts however, i pull it off all the time.

 

[Lynk]

Thats because a single apple, missed deathstrike, anything completely denies lunchbox of killing someone, making him imo, ineffective. The nerve strike dexer version allows for much more flexibility.

Lunchbox uses nerve strikes ? I sometimes nerve/DS, sometimes double nerve. I dont really play him that much anymore.

 

[Hurley]

Well release this 1337 gimplate now cause I think your full of shït personally. And no Purge Magic shouldn't be a Magery spell, there are already 64 Magery Spells. There are what? 16 Mysticism spells? Hmm, lets just take away from Mysticism that will solve everything.

You obviously don't PvP. Since you can only purge on a Myst How about EVERYONE BECOMES A MYST and there be only ONE VIABLE mage template. ROFLOLOL

 

[Cetric]

Lunchbox uses nerve strikes ? I sometimes nerve/DS, sometimes double nerve. I dont really play him that much anymore.

Maybe you do, i have only seen you use one combo on lunchbox

spell plague

nerve strike
deathstrike
nerve strike (if they dont run through the ds)
trigger

And unless you pulled off a nice kill on someone with like no dci, a lucky shot, etc etc, you always have to take off running or smoke bomb on him.