you booted them after a council meeting was concluded in which it was decided that nothing be done until Tao return to the game, out of respect for him as GL. Further, those that left had no issues with them and didn't see the need to ask them to leave. You weren't happy with the guild makeup so you did what you did. No hard feelings, but your actions were not viewed upon favorably by those that left.
I don't know why you felt the need to expand on fracture. I thought it best to leave the inner workings between us, however once the door is opened I felt the need to step up here.
You also chose to ally yourself with EUO, just as the remnants of PITS have which runs counter to your thoughts of keeping
P@IN a small crew. So GCH is now a 4-8 man crew most nights depending and again takes on the b.s. shard alignment against us. We take this as a high compliment, that the rest of the shard wets their panties at the thought of fighting against us in smaller groups.
Steve, this is not to stir crap up with you as I harbor no ill will..however, the truth needs to be stated. Also let it be known that although I was unhappy with a few people, I did not give up on the Guild. On the other hand, YOU were the one for almost 8 months telling me you were thinking of quitting and wanted to disband the guild entirely and walk away. Not good Council material imo. The fact that I did not make a change is the only reason you stayed so long. Then when I got rid of the poison you left with them. Your choice, no hard feelings, but let's be honest here.
I have led numerous guilds over the years and ALL have been successful for the majority of the time of their existence. I know who is good for the guild and who is not based on the ethics people show, and it is so much clearer now.
1) As Explicit just admitted to, I booted him ONLY after I discovered (with proof - and his confession) that he was leaving anyway with solid proof of him recruiting our members into his guild, while in guild vent and guild map. So in what way did I go against the agreement during that meeting? By kicking a confessed mutinous punk? Think on that for a second and tell me what I did wrong there. If I had planned on doing anything different from Council wanted both Explicit and Game would have been kicked within a day of their guilding. Instead, I did what the Council wanted and tolerated it until proof of desertion and member pillaging became evident. You fail to see the difference.
2) I felt the need to expand upon the fracture because when you say P@!N split into two groups, that means there are two groups of P@!N members, which there are not. This could be considered the same as when PITs split to faction and a non-faction groups - same guild, different groups within. There are now two separate guilds, not separate groups.
3) I never allied with EUO. I told Slip we are not allying (he doesn't like alliances any more than I do) and we are not allied. Their fields hit us the same as they hit you. If some members CHOOSE to play with Slip's crew while Tao and I deal with real life stuff, so be it. I have always encouraged people to play how they want to play with whomever they want to play with.
4) The purpose of the Council, which was agreed upon by every Council member upon being trusted with that role, was to step up and LEAD THE GUILD when the other Council were not able to. Instead, when the REAL leaders (Tao, Purg, and I apparently) could not log in, the Council members who were active did not fulfill their job and LEFT THE GUILD WILLINGLY. I did not boot any of you at any time, so as not to influence your decision to stay or go. As leaders you were supposed to step up and lead but not once did any of you do that. You tucked tail and ran away.
5) 'Tis very funny that you mentioned the 'trammies'. Our trammies can kill you easier than you kill them. Not smack talking here, just stating facts. Also, when one of our trammies quit after being told by Ex to suck his wang, YOU re-guilded her after he was booted. Hmm... a little double-sided eh? You complain about the trammy types in the guild but also was the first to guild them after Explicit made them quit.
6) I did not lose my guild. The numbers and members have changed but the integrity is still there. P@!N has a couple dozen players who are actually starting to decide to come back. A bunch decided not to play because of Game Over.
cotton,
let the record show I tried damn hard to keep us together as did Orion. I was never in favor of you guys leaving. Still annoys the crap out of me. From the time we left UHOH till you left was a damn good crew and always a good time in vent.
Sounds like a recruitment/alliance attempt is going on here.