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Judging purely from the "political leanings" of those in "power"... I'm gonna go with a no way in heck.
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In all honesty I could not answer that question without snagging an infraction from Stratics
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Time for my yearly "no guns in UO" response.
No they wouldn't. We already have cannons, that hasn't led to artillery and tanks.
Well if you can have cannons I gotta think you could achieve a flint lock. Single shot. I would love a flint lock pistol on a belt artwork for my pirate. They would balance it out to have the same effect and distance as a bow or whatever so it wouldn't be a one shot kill. You'd probably have to carry all the junk you need for a cannon too lol. I don't see it being much of a factor either way. If I had a vote I'd say no to it but would still love the pistol belt graphic
I don't think these items are not included due to politics. It's just that when you have guns, swords and energy bolts are kinda pointless. You can ignore theme like they did with cannons, but the less the better, IMO.
I'll take one of these:
Sub-orbital Yew Gate camping!
Sub-orbital Yew Gate camping!
And a hoe of destruction.
Actually, PvPers would not allow any changes to their kingdom. Your gun will be a pop gun very quickly if they did any damage to players. PvMers dont care if something has some killing power.
I want a tank:
or pet cannons.
My new white Cu
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Why would they? Gargoyles are at least rooted in Ulitma Lore.
FYI: So is Lasher...
Though he wasn't a rainbow monstrosity.
Though he wasn't a rainbow monstrosity.
I mean, Ultima 1 did have Spaceships that resembled TIE fighters from Star Wars.
From U1:
lol nice, guess i can live with a TIE fighter mount instead of my llama hehe
Because they are in the lore already? Maybe some people don't want to hunt only with bows. Balance isn't our problem, that's on the Devs, but getting the lore right shouldn't be too much to ask.
Do you do any PvP?
At this point why not also add a new class as well
Cowboys and Indians nvm that’s not political correct either
How about just outlaws and pirates class that can have guns but limit the magazines to only 10 rounds and no removable clips or speed loaders
Cowboys and Indians nvm that’s not political correct either
How about just outlaws and pirates class that can have guns but limit the magazines to only 10 rounds and no removable clips or speed loaders
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So has Mesanna or another dev actually flat out said that the reason for no guns is political? I sure don't remember any such statement. Even if there is that aspect to it, I very, very much doubt that is the only reason. I'm hardly one to cheerlead, but I think there are some unfair oversimplifications taking place in this thread. And frankly as much as some people want to decry opposition to guns in UO as political or one individual's personal whimsy, I've no doubt that at least some of the endorsement of the idea is just that. There's two sides to that street.
But ultimately it's not about politics or personal preference. It's about resource allocation versus payoff. Investment versus reward.
I mean, I RP a pirate. She would absolutely be toting some kind of firearm if they were an option. Even if I couldn't shoot it. Regardless of what I as a player do or don't think about guns in real life. It's a game.
However, it's a game with very limited resources, and introducing guns, especially as some are describing here, would be a whole new set of weapons and probably a new skill. They could either clone/graft onto archery, which would mean it would ONLY be for looks and would require lots of art just for aesthetics, or they could make it an actual complete skill, which would require extensive testing and re-balancing and so on.
The game already has loads of weapons that get little use, and several skills that are useless or nearly so. Even introducing just one gun type would likely be a significant expenditure of resources, even if it's only art skinned over archery weapon/skill--we're talking new weapon art for character, paperdoll, and backpack, probably new movement animation art, for walking, running, and mounted/flying, for up to three races (two if you count elf and human as the same--I'm not sure if they are entirely the same animation-wise or not), across two clients--and for what? MORE weapons for an already severely over-complicated system?
What are you really wanting here? A full fledged new skill, or a particular appearance?
If it's just appearance, I say toss something in the store, a re-skin of a bow or something. Maybe. If it's not prohibitively difficult to incorporate the art, which I suspect it would be if you want anything of halfway passable quality. (They should be selling re-skins left and right in the store anyway...). I'd probably buy a few if they looked okay.
If it's a full skill, then the question shouldn't be why can't we have guns. The question should be what would guns bring to UO that would improve or enrich the game as a whole enough to justify the development time and effort? The answer to that, as far as I can see, is very little. I'm not even necessarily opposed to the idea depending on execution; I just seriously doubt it's a good use of limited resources. I'm not saying it's impossible either, just that it is much more complex than "but they are in the old games". So is Lasher, and people complained when that was added (and it was added weirdly... Lasher was a unique character, not an endless fountain of rainbow ponies, but I digress). So is Mars, but I don't see people arguing for that or complaining about "political correctness" when it doesn't happen.
What are you really asking for, and what does/could it bring to UO's game experience that would make it worth the resource investment?
But ultimately it's not about politics or personal preference. It's about resource allocation versus payoff. Investment versus reward.
I mean, I RP a pirate. She would absolutely be toting some kind of firearm if they were an option. Even if I couldn't shoot it. Regardless of what I as a player do or don't think about guns in real life. It's a game.
However, it's a game with very limited resources, and introducing guns, especially as some are describing here, would be a whole new set of weapons and probably a new skill. They could either clone/graft onto archery, which would mean it would ONLY be for looks and would require lots of art just for aesthetics, or they could make it an actual complete skill, which would require extensive testing and re-balancing and so on.
The game already has loads of weapons that get little use, and several skills that are useless or nearly so. Even introducing just one gun type would likely be a significant expenditure of resources, even if it's only art skinned over archery weapon/skill--we're talking new weapon art for character, paperdoll, and backpack, probably new movement animation art, for walking, running, and mounted/flying, for up to three races (two if you count elf and human as the same--I'm not sure if they are entirely the same animation-wise or not), across two clients--and for what? MORE weapons for an already severely over-complicated system?
What are you really wanting here? A full fledged new skill, or a particular appearance?
If it's just appearance, I say toss something in the store, a re-skin of a bow or something. Maybe. If it's not prohibitively difficult to incorporate the art, which I suspect it would be if you want anything of halfway passable quality. (They should be selling re-skins left and right in the store anyway...). I'd probably buy a few if they looked okay.
If it's a full skill, then the question shouldn't be why can't we have guns. The question should be what would guns bring to UO that would improve or enrich the game as a whole enough to justify the development time and effort? The answer to that, as far as I can see, is very little. I'm not even necessarily opposed to the idea depending on execution; I just seriously doubt it's a good use of limited resources. I'm not saying it's impossible either, just that it is much more complex than "but they are in the old games". So is Lasher, and people complained when that was added (and it was added weirdly... Lasher was a unique character, not an endless fountain of rainbow ponies, but I digress). So is Mars, but I don't see people arguing for that or complaining about "political correctness" when it doesn't happen.
What are you really asking for, and what does/could it bring to UO's game experience that would make it worth the resource investment?
I was just making fun of this thread and mocking the past additions (samurai, ninja and elf’s)
I said this when SE came “what’s next guns Star Wars with lasers”
We should have orcs not all this other BS
By the way I do own hunting rifles but they are locked up in a friends house because I have under age kids at home. I’m on the fence with this hole gun issue.
I said this when SE came “what’s next guns Star Wars with lasers”
We should have orcs not all this other BS
By the way I do own hunting rifles but they are locked up in a friends house because I have under age kids at home. I’m on the fence with this hole gun issue.
UO is generally set in the middle ages of Ultima 7-8, and ninjas and samurai are not out of place in that time setting. Guns and spaceships are. The only games that had elements that were outside of this period were the early ones, and those random elements were dropped from the more polished chapters for a reason. Outside of easter eggs, there's really no reasonable backing for guns or spaceships or any of that. Just because RG was tossing **** on a wall to see what would stick early on doesn't mean all of it should thus be represented in UO.
This game already has enough out of place stuff, it needs less not more.
I think people who want guns are more likely to want them included for political reasons than those who don't. People just want guns in UO because they like guns, and 2nd amendment people can get really myopic. Like guns not being in game must be a political statement.
I hope that is not the case. I played guns as a child. I have guns. We had gun racks on trucks that had loaded rifles on them that we drove to high school. We were horrible bullies to each other. No one thought of using a gun at school. I walked into a Gibson's (like a walmart) with a rifle to get the correct ammo when I was 16.
Society has changed. I would prefer more restrictions in RL but UO is a game.
I gave my reason. PvP rs would nerf them in a day.
I want a rocket launcher on my Cu as stated earlier.
Spaceships and or implicit space travel is included in 1, 2, Martian Dreams, 7 and is broadly hinted in at in Underworld 2.
Current Sosaria/Britannia is the "present" state of a fallen higher civilization. A post-post-apocalyptic recovery after the orgy of destruction wrought by Mondain, Minax and Exodus (who was part supercomputer).
While I'm not campaigning for the addition of firearms in UO, I recognize that they have an undeniable history in the source material.
Teach them gun safety at a young age. (I started my daughter and son at 11). Have them take a safety course. Always keep them locked up with ammo in seperate place. The younger they learn gun safety the better. Accidents DON'T happen when you use proper gun safety.