As A Result of the Turn In Announcement...

[imported_Coppelia]

I think you didn't understand Dennar. I think Connor would have lived with it if the only reward was "Moonglow is saved", if it was announced that it would be the only reward.
But they highered our expectation event after event, talking about a turn-in gathering all the events we got. And then suddenly it's there and the rewards aren't rewards.

It's UO. Either you put something worth it in UO, either you put nothing. But you don't excite people with "rewards are coming!" and then offer them a daisy.

 

[Fayled Dhreams]

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You might want to go quietly off into the corner and eat your cookie while you're still ahead. It sure looks tasty.....

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Actually ... I went and looted yet another thread (literal AND figural) ..

"... the Devs inflated our hopes ..."

HA !

right ... wrote it down and posted it ...

its the devs fault ... They inflated "our" hopes ...

tsk! ... besides ... corners are for time outs and "sulkers" ... I'll save my cookies for while I'm regening mana ...
they're fresh baked and an assortment ... maybe I'll share some with the g'kids ... maybe I'll make them fetch ...
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not like I can send them to the store for beer and cigarettes ... no real point in having them nowadays anyways ...

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No more nevernever land ... for YOU ... sir ...

your old

 

[Redxpanda]

Expectations and Disappointment.

I'm not going to beat the dead horse here.

I would like to see realistic timelines being announced/met and spoilers available for those who want to know. Anticipation is what caused all of this. With such overpowered monsters people were working hard to kill em and expected more. As much as i appreciate the turn-ins, i would moreso appreciate turnins that some actual thought went into. Other than the alacrity scrolls you can keep the rest of the stuff.

Either i will sell my stuff to other people who want to get some of those items or just put all my items into alacrity scrolls.

 

[Stigmatas]

Yea, this is pretty lame dude. I've been watchin the boards, not been playin the last week, and then read the turn in list...ehh.

Been playing Oblivion again, trying to finally beat it...its only taken me 2 years LOL....before Grand theft Auto IV comes out Tuesday. Cant wait for that.

I guess I'll get my uber earrings, and a couple Mouse statues, cuz u know I love statues.

It's pretty much a letdown though, esp. for someone like me that missed out on Magincia, considering I love house deco's...missed all that uber rubble...my own fault...that. Oh well.

Thought I'd do ok on this one. Hoarded crap like crazy....for statues and earrings....oh well.

Maybe the next round of stuff will be better.

Phantus: Items in an item based game? Are you crazy? /sarcasm

You would think after 5 years they would figure out that RARE equipment is lame, and you need said high end equipment to do any high end fighting. Seems pretty clear cut to me. RARE IS LAME. Was a godsend when artys were dropping a lot last Winter. That didn't last long. Lame.

Wish I was a dev. You know I could do item decay right. Item drops right. And for sure wouldn't care about the non objective types opinion's.
Meh, the least they could have done was maybe made the turn is applicable to the museum stuff.

I still don't have an orny. rawr

It's not that I didnt have fun, its just that when you are collecting things with a goal in mind, (the turn in..that was clearly stated from the beginning) you kind of want that stuff to be worthwhile.

 

[Guest]

Everyone thinks these items are useless tell people in game who never read stratics that after all their hard work over nearly two years they are gona get a t-shirt that says "after all this all I got was this lousy t-shirt" and they are gonna crap thereselfs we here that read what dribble the people from UO post know how lame they truely are but the people who don't read this site and are still thinking they might get something great and go do their turns ins and get a t-shirt thats says that, bahahahaha ooo that will be a funny thing to see.

SORRY IF I OFFENDED ANYONE! don't wanna get banned again for posting my thoughts on this LOUSY event

But I will definatly have one of those t shirts when I sell my accounts

 

[Surgeries]

RTLPFC

I have given this a lot of thought today...and I have come to this conclusion:

There has to be more to this...there has to be.

This is Draconi, and Leurocian we are talking about here...there has to be more to this, than just this set of turn ins.

I am going to get one of everything, and keep on playing. I will trade in the easiest to get items, and keep on playing.

Draconi and Leurocian wouldn't let it end like this, in my mind.

I could be dead wrong...but I will put my bets on those two as the leaders, and hope that my active faith is rewarded.

Neither has let me down, yet...so I owe them that much, at least.

But that's just me.

 

[HD2300]

LMAO at the dummy spits here.

Rewards are pretty good, and there seems to be tons of them.

If the expectation was that you would get tons of lt sashes, vinyl cord sandals, valorite runic hammers, and heartwood kits which you could flog for RL$$$, looks like spending 23 hrs every day for the last month farming this stuff was a bust.

But if you are a casual player and play for fun, you would have lots of new deco and pixel crack items to play around with.

 

[Guest]

Might be best if they would just say so for once if there is though.. if only to stop all the negativity.

 

[Guest]

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There has to be more to this...there has to be.

This is Draconi, and Leurocian we are talking about here....

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Give it more thought. This is it I think, at least for the next 4-6 weeks.

Leurocian is about to be a new daddy. Due date is the first week of May if I'm not mistaken. Count on him taking some time off.

Draconi has a new position. He's not just the guy we can count on to blow stuff up anymore. Most of his job involves paperwork now.

Cal said we don't have a "skeleton crew" working on UO, but frankly... we really have even less than that. At least from a game development standpoint. (not counting the tech crew and the community people etc etc)

For the trade in I personally expected a rehash of the blackrock trade in dealio. In fact it was what I was hoping for. I know I'll get flamed for saying this but... at least we got new items.
Somewhat shocked they re-released the event item sashes but didn't re-release a vine cord type item. Other than that. Meh.
I choose to be happy we got anything at all at this point. Sometimes it's as simple as that. Choosing to be happy over choosing to be dissatisfied.

 

[Guest]

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Somewhat shocked they re-released the event item sashes but didn't re-release a vine cord type item. Other than that. Meh.

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Technically, they didn't.. these are worded differently from the event sashes.

 

[Guest]

True. Sorry.
They left off the "Member of the" part.

 

[wanderer1origin]

sashes were sad rest least wernt giving away valorite hammers like blackrock did first days maybe they learned!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Guest]

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I sure hope the Devs behind whatever 2nd part of the Spring Cleaning rewards there will be take notice of this reaction by the players.

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I think anyone could have told you the reaction these rewards would elicit. Unless they have better rewards planned (which seems unlikely to me, because why put out the boring ones first, and have people use up points on those) they are pretty short sighted.

I personally don't really care, I had gotten back on UO for the first time in months when the event happened, played for about a week and grew tired of it. Was hoping for some nice turn ins to spur my interest, or at least a new part of the story, but oh well. Just another week on the pile of them enjoying my money for not playing.

 

[Guest]

*shrugs*

I have a lot of faith in those two as well. Leuro being my favorite all time team member and all. I'd like Drac more if it wasn't for his icq network of preferred players. He does good work though.

Thing is, they are the only 2 in the lime-light. The only ones that are shining. I'd like to see more. If they want to give an impression the UO team isn't a skeleton crew they need to push some talent out into the spotlight.

I read all the people posting that want to berate those of us who feel the rewards are lackluster and there point exists but it's validity is quite meager. Anyone can see they don't meet current UO item standards by any stretch of the imagination. Any of those sashes could be +5 dci and it would a good non-overpowered item. Any item to fill the apron slot could have 5 str to compete with the stranglehold the cincture has and still not be overpowered. The knight armor could have hci and ssi and still not be overpowered with 50's resists. The items they add to the game don't have to be crap. They chose to put them in that way however. Is this because they don't know they are crap? It's a question I've wondered for a while. Is it because of future plans?

Regardless of anyone's decision to criticize the rewards the developers need to understand when something is considered sub par. Whether they find later that it was just board warrior loudmouths not getting what they what or a legitimate pancake it's communication which is invaluable and should always continue. I feel these rewards are not good. I feel the turn in system is fantastic. We get to pick the items and they have eliminated the RNG crap. I applaud this.

What compound the problem is the trickle of content the game gets. When we do get something we expect more of it because we are starved. I'm speaking of the royal we, of course. Should the game provide updates in a timely enough manner than people can follow and understand the story I believe we will find less problems than when something is finally added after years of waiting and anticipation. This is something that needs to be brought to light and given consideration for the future whether the pom-pom waiving cheerleaders or the anti-pixel people like it or not.

 

[Surgeries]

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What compound the problem is the trickle of content the game gets. When we do get something we expect more of it because we are starved. I'm speaking of the royal we, of course. Should the game provide updates in a timely enough manner than people can follow and understand the story I believe we will find less problems than when something is finally added after years of waiting and anticipation. This is something that needs to be brought to light and given consideration for the future whether the pom-pom waiving cheerleaders or the anti-pixel people like it or not.


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And you know I totally agree with this sentiment. We need a lot more than we have been getting. Empathy for the move, et al, aside, we are deserving of far more than we are getting, or have gotten, over the last couple of years, if not more.

Real, enthralling content, and NOT just turn ins, for sure. I am disappointed in this first set as announced, to be sure, but again, I will wait to see if this is all there is...and I sure hope it isn't.

 

[Guest]

- That's the way I read it.

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Publish 52 institutes the first round of Spring Cleaning collections and rewards

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When I looked at the shirts (maybe even the sashes) and read about some increased attention on factions, I thought about the cloak of corruption and its hidden mods based on location (lookie, that's some new funky stuff imo). Just a thought that popped in my head.

 

[HD2300]

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Cal said we don't have a "skeleton crew" working on UO, but frankly... we really have even less than that. At least from a game development standpoint. (not counting the tech crew and the community people etc etc)

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Why is there still a "skeleton crew"? Weren't several programmer positions advertised in early January?

 

[Guest]

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I think you didn't understand Dennar. I think Connor would have lived with it if the only reward was "Moonglow is saved", if it was announced that it would be the only reward.
But they highered our expectation event after event, talking about a turn-in gathering all the events we got. And then suddenly it's there and the rewards aren't rewards.

It's UO. Either you put something worth it in UO, either you put nothing. But you don't excite people with "rewards are coming!" and then offer them a daisy.

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I completely understand the failure to meet expectations. I was here when crafting was promised time after time it would get some attention. I was here time after time when PvP was told it would get attention. I was here ALOT when cheating was going to be addressed. I was a poster asking for changes and pointing out MY DISSAPOINTMENT with what was delivered. I was here when we were told the 3d client was going to be great. I was here when we were told KR would be great.

Many times when I and others posted our dissapointments some came here and said suck it up. It isn't all that bad. Give them a break. Don't play the game for pixels--play it to have fun. On and on people would post that, now many of those same people come here and post they are dissapointed. Well -- welcome to the club.

Maybe all the time they spent telling the Dev team they were happy and not to listen to us complainers, they see the shoe on the other foot now. Maybe instead of supporting the Dev team all these years they would have better served to support the people that had forsight and saw problems coming. I see some major names expressing thier dissapointment--many of them attacked other posters for years for speaking out and complaining they were dissapointed.

Maybe--just maybe--if people here on UHALL were holding the Team up to a higher standard this would never have happened. Maybe if some were not so worried about being favorites of the Dev team and instead really looked at issues others brought up this would not have happened. I am not merely pointing at Connor here, as I said there are some very big names in this thread that have put down people posting thier dissapointments for years.

I for one now have no sympathy for thier dissapointments.

 

[Redxpanda]

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Somewhat shocked they re-released the event item sashes but didn't re-release a vine cord type item. Other than that. Meh.

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Technically, they didn't.. these are worded differently from the event sashes.

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...And these sashes are blessed and the older event ones are not.

 

[imported_Heartseeker]

You are spot on.

I agree with most of these posts; except Fayled's.

The turn ins, like the event itself, have been a let down.

Not sure what the devs are thinking; not thinking?

 

[Connor_Graham]

"Maybe--just maybe--if people here on UHALL were holding the Team up to a higher standard this would never have happened."

Maybe--just maybe--we didn't see any issues until now. "We" haven't had any problems with the Dev team up until this recent debacle. Considering the rewards for the previous parts to this story arc, the current one falls well below par. Kind of like Tiger Woods on an off day....

"Maybe if some were not so worried about being favorites of the Dev team and instead really looked at issues others brought up this would not have happened."

I can say with certainty that none of "us" were EVER worried about being favorites of the Dev team, or anyone else for that matter.


"as I said there are some very big names in this thread that have put down people posting thier dissapointments for years."

Maybe those people whining in the past were suffering from premature whinaculation?

"I for one now have no sympathy for thier dissapointments."

I don't recall asking anyone for sympathy. In fact, the point of this thread was to point out that even the players that don't read Stratics had abandoned Moonglow once the rewards were announced, and for the Devs to take note of such before releasing similar wastes of pixellation in round 2.


My glass is always half full (unless someone picks it up and turns it over...), so I'm going to go with Surgeries and phantus and hope that the faith we've got in Draconi &amp; Leurocian will be justified in round 2. There's just got to be something better in the works. Sooner rather than later would be a good time to reveal what that is though considering the mass migration from Moonglow....

 

[Guest]

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"Maybe--just maybe--if people here on UHALL were holding the Team up to a higher standard this would never have happened."

Maybe--just maybe--we didn't see any issues until now. "We" haven't had any problems with the Dev team up until this recent debacle. Considering the rewards for the previous parts to this story arc, the current one falls well below par. Kind of like Tiger Woods on an off day....

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I see, so only dissapointments that you agree with count?



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"as I said there are some very big names in this thread that have put down people posting thier dissapointments for years."

Maybe those people whining in the past were suffering from premature whinaculation?

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So its bad for them to whine but it is ok for you to whine?


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"I for one now have no sympathy for thier dissapointments."

I don't recall asking anyone for sympathy. In fact, the point of this thread was to point out that even the players that don't read Stratics had abandoned Moonglow once the rewards were announced, and for the Devs to take note of such before releasing similar wastes of pixellation in round 2.

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And the people upset or that have quit over the last several years mean nothing because it was an issue you didn't agree with?


Connor your glass can be completely full as far as I am concerned. But for years now you have come here and argued with (as far as I can remember) everyone who posted being dussapointed with UO. Now you seem to have an issue. Only the issues you have or recognize are important? I hope that maybe after this incident you can finnaly see that other people have dissapointments in UO and not be so ready to jump in and argue with them the game is fine and to leave it the way it is.

I am not trying to slam you, I am merely trying to point out to you how your posts have felt to people you have responded to.

 

[imported_Risso]

As all the naysayers seem to be overlooking, they did say this is the first round of the turn-in and so I think the rewards are appropriate. Rubble you could just pick up off the ground, Plane swords &amp; shields spawn on every Fallen Warrior and from what I've read the coins and Ophidian bits were just as common? Why should you get uber rewards for these pretty easy to obtain items? So the Berserker's Scythe and cursed artis might be harder to get but if you don't want to turn them in for these 'crappy' rewards then don't and maybe later you can use those points for something better. Seriously, if all these people complaining bothered to read the news properly we wouldn't have half these BOOHOO posts on UHall. If its a point system do you think the devs will leave you high and dry if you are 10 points shy of a Sherry statue or would it be more sensible to believe that the points will be stored for later turn-in rounds, much like community collections?

 

[Kith Kanan]

Well if the only reason peopel visited moonglove was to farm to try and get some silly over powered items , the all I have to say is GOOD JOB DEVS !!!!!!

Its about time they stopped handing out silly over powered items at events !!!!

We need events that are fun to attend like the Old School Trinsic Invasion , not events peopel only attend to farm for items !!!!

 

[imported_Coppelia]

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Connor your glass can be completely full as far as I am concerned. But for years now you have come here and argued with (as far as I can remember) everyone who posted being dussapointed with UO. Now you seem to have an issue. Only the issues you have or recognize are important? I hope that maybe after this incident you can finnaly see that other people have dissapointments in UO and not be so ready to jump in and argue with them the game is fine and to leave it the way it is.

I am not trying to slam you, I am merely trying to point out to you how your posts have felt to people you have responded to.

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When I was complaining about BoS change, the Fanboy Force bashed me with full power. Connor stayed correct. Even if he disagrees, you can always discuss. So IMO you're targeting the wrong person.
So I won't jump on the nanana-look-where-you-are-now bandwagon.

 

[Bomb Bloke]

First time poster, long time occasional lurker.

Perhaps a good way of demonstrating the value of these items is by comparing them to those that can be acquired via heritage tokens.

On one hand, you have the token items. Most accounts that were active during the recent 10th anniversary event got tons of tokens, which gave them access to all sorts of unique decorative items - and a few that were even slightly useful (such as the Quiver of Infinity with it's 5%DCI).

Note the "unique" part there. All sorts of stuff you couldn't get elsewhere. Sure, the tokens/items weren't actually introduced for that particular event, but those were pretty cool items, limited in supply but everyone got at least a few.

Now we have the turn in items. There are maybe two or three that are of use, one that actually looks unique, and they're only available to people that happened to grab certain items over a long, long period of time.

To me, the "freebie" heritage items are worth more then most of the "worked for" turn in items. That's just wrong.

And we don't even know the exchange rate yet. The only items I have that qualify are cursed artis, and unless I'm getting some serious "coupon points" for each of those I currently see no reason beyond a single pair of those earrings to turn them in.

A good collection of rewards doesn't have to include useful ("game breaking") items. Unique deco would go a long way towards making the whole collection process worthwhile without accidentally ripping a big hole in PvP balance.

And no, a sash doesn't count as unique deco. It's a sash. Doesn't matter what text string you slap on it, it's a sash. You can go down to any NPC Tailor and buy tons of the things.

A poster here asked whether the devs were afraid of introducing new items, or if they truly didn't know what counts as "good". Quite an interesting comment considering how the cloak of corruption ORIGINALLY functioned. I'm wondering if they changed it because it was massively overpowered, or if they plan on reactivating it's original function later... That should answer that question.

 

[Noie]

So....which shard is it where people are kindly leaving the swords and shields at the bank? I'd be more than happy to go clean those up.

 

[Stigmatas]

Yea, it's been what, going on 3 years now since an expansion? KR took a turn for the worse, no expansions, no content......and now a crappy turn in.


Now ya understand why I dissapear for months at a time


It just gets old. Gotta play other games if this one won't make with the content. Guess I'll keep waiting....and watching.

See ya on the blue beetle in a few days lol

 

[Connor_Graham]

Here we are on a Sunday afternoon....


And there's a grand total of 3 people inside the rift, and 2 of those are stealthers.



Are we having fun yet?

 

[Guest]

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I'm back to filling BODs.

If I went back it would be to try for more threads (which is probably what the remainder are going after) and that'd be it.

Of course only one mob gives the threads, the rest are now "trash mobs" and quite annoying ones at that.

So instead... filling BODs, probably going to put a bunch of low-mid level runics up on my vendor for pretty cheap just to get them out of my hair.

 

[Kith Kanan]

Mega nice weather , football and beers , not a hard choise

 

[Connor_Graham]

"quite annoying ones at that."

The warriors wouldn't be so bad if they didn't fly THROUGH roofs then spam heal while inside the building and heal themselves back up to full health. 9 times out of 10 there are at least 3-4 things inside the building so you can't go after them.

 

[Connor_Graham]

Eh, we've got crappy weather. Been raining on and off all day long, and it's actually a little cold out to boot.

 

[Guest]

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I personally despise the Fetids... complete waste of a mob in that area, even worse if you don't have or use petals to make yourself immune to poison.

 

[Connor_Graham]

If you use petals, they're actually one of the least annoying to deal with. Wisps can be a royal pain in the arse when they get on the revenant or flesh golem kick. I don't know how many times I've taken a single shot at a wisp, then had it cast a rev. I'd swap bows &amp; dispel the rev, then swap bows back. By the time I was ready to take another shot at the wisp, another rev has been cast so I have to swap back and take care of that again. Rinse repeat over and over. I've had as many as 5 revs I've had to dispel when it only takes 3 shots to kill the wisp itself.

 

[imported_Coppelia]

This week-end Europa was quite busy in Moonglow.
Nothing else to do? Some people don't have a cloak yet and want one? They are attracted by rewards?

 

[Guest]

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I'm using a Warhammer with 40% dispel and Life Leech. Takes care of the wisps no problems. They pop a revenant, a quick whirlwind attack has taken care of more than one, otherwise it's a quick target swap and poof, then back to the wisp.

Fetids suck for me since I don't have any petals and they don't drop any event related items to my knowledge, thus making them a waste of a mob IMO.

I can take down an angel without too much problem, although the damage they dish out is still too high for my enjoyment. A tweak to my template and fighting style took care of the biggest issues with them though.

Shadowlords are now a non-issue. I have 3 cloaks and am out of blackrock, so I simply stay away from them for now.

Might go back tonight, but only for threads.