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Just so everyone knows that we have NOT approved any new map programs. We closed the application process for 3rd party programs years ago.
I didnt know this.Just so everyone knows that we have NOT approved any new map programs. We closed the application process for 3rd party programs years ago.
Seriously. If you want a new feature added to the EC, submit your input through official channels as a feature request. Stop trying to circumvent progress.
Building on that API is a bad idea, it restricts use of any such program to those using UOAssist. It can be done without the API Easily, very easily.For the final time, UOAssist provides an API which allows any person to create a program that accesses client information through UOAssist. Details on this API can be found here:
http://www.tugsoft.com/uoassist/thirdpartydev.asp
There have been several programs created over the years, one such being Davis's GGS Timer that used to be quite popular, that take advantage of this feature of UOAssist. Any program which uses this 100% does not need approval from EA and will not be illegal as long as it does not access the client or data stream directly. However any such program is not going to be UOPro.
Tug (the creator of UOAssist) is expressing interest in updating for the Enhanced Client. If he does so then a new map application can be made for both clients and every UO player can remain happy.
If you do that the program will be an illegal 3rd party. You would not be able to discuss the application in-game or on Stratics.Building on that API is a bad idea, it restricts use of any such program to those using UOAssist. It can be done without the API Easily, very easily.
Sorry... it's NOT my logic, it's EA/Mythic's TOS. You should know better.Well I thought the UO Pro program was done with?
By your logic Old Man, people can't use their G1X Keyboards either
Chrissay all but said that idea is dead. (interpreting her words)I happy to hear someone is working on something that will HELP us 2d players in the new lands. I feel so lost without UOAM in these new lands and dungeons. Do keep us inform and if you need a tester I volunteer!
How did Tug get permission to develop UOA for EC, then?Just so everyone knows that we have NOT approved any new map programs. We closed the application process for 3rd party programs years ago.
It's been closed for 7 or 8 years now. At one time is was kinda encouraged, but too many "exploiting" applications appeared, so the program was closed.How did Tug get permission to develop UOA for EC, then?
It does run independently as long as it runs through UOAssist.Old Man of UO said:The map programs do not run independently of UO (that is, they need the client to collect the information), and therefore would need approval. I'm sure many will disagree, but take that argument up with EA/Mythic.
No UO Rudder or UO Wedding in there.. hmm. Does that mean they are illegal or simply not approved? And is there a difference?If you don't see a program listed here, it is not approved for use with UO.
* UOAssist: Website - Details
* UO Auto-Map: Website - Details
* UO Calculator: Website - Details
* UO Curse Tool: Website - Details
* UO Journal Converter: Website - Details
* UO Magic Tool: Website - Details
* UO Spawn Map: Website - Details
Don't tell me... Tell EA/Mythic. I didn't make the rules (TOS and ROC) that you agreed to when you signed up for an account, and again when you loaded the client.It does run independently as long as it runs through UOAssist.
Just so everyone knows that we have NOT approved any new map programs. We closed the application process for 3rd party programs years ago.
You're being too literal. This will also include microsoft office,macro keyboards,mouses,icq,voice chat,screenshots,etc.. The only TOS that he will need to check is tug's as it interacts with his program which is legaly interacting with uo. For example many of the programs in the tool section of stratics have never being uopro approved and do not interact with the uo data stream.Don't tell me... Tell EA/Mythic. I didn't make the rules (TOS and ROC) that you agreed to when you signed up for an account, and again when you loaded the client.
Therein lies the problem.It's an unapproved 3rd party program and it is not legal. Players may have their accounts actioned for using it.
Who says half of them even do? Playing with packets is a no no in a MMO - I got perma banned from EverQuest when I helped make EQemu for playing with packets and well you knowYou're being too literal. This will also include microsoft office,macro keyboards,mouses,icq,voice chat,screenshots,etc.. The only TOS that he will need to check is tug's as it interacts with his program which is legaly interacting with uo. For example many of the programs in the tool section of stratics have never being uopro approved and do not interact with the uo data stream.
Definetly never mess with the packets well except with your own hardware but software wise playing with packets is traceble and pretty banable in most mmos. Other than that well like I said if the program interacts with uo assist as long as it's ok in tugs eyes then take it from there.Who says half of them even do? Playing with packets is a no no in a MMO - I got perma banned from EverQuest when I helped make EQemu for playing with packets and well you know
UO can actually SUE someone for screwing with packets, and I doubt any third party programs actually do that. I can think of one off the top of my head but then you would even need the source to it to mod it.
Because it was assumed the program would interact with the client. When I informed her of the UOAssist API she said "hold that thought" and never got back to me.That's not strictly true, JC. This is what I was told by Chrissay last week:
Personaly I havent used it for about 5 years. But looks like people have being using to coordinate with friends and other things. Oh well.Dude that UOAM is crap it will lag some people down why would I ever use any of that?
Um, it does go through UOAssist (for the classic client, anyway). In EC it uses some Lua (which should also be legit).Because it was assumed the program would interact with the client. When I informed her of the UOAssist API she said "hold that thought" and never got back to me.
Currently your program does not go through UOAssist so it wouldn't be legal. If you update it to the UOAssist API it would be okay.
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Oh. I was informed that if it went through the LUA it would be legal. So your application is legal then. I didn't know that was possible.Um, it does go through UOAssist (for the classic client, anyway). In EC it uses some Lua (which should also be legit).
Oh. Who said that? I haven't had much luck finding out so farOh. I was informed that if it went through the LUA it would be legal. So your application is legal then. I didn't know that was possible.
That isn't necessarily true, just because a program uses the API does not mean that EA/Mythic can't declare it illegal to use and action you on it. It's their game they can reserve final judgement. If they don't want any new third party programs then it doesn't matter if you use the API or not.Because it was assumed the program would interact with the client. When I informed her of the UOAssist API she said "hold that thought" and never got back to me.
Currently your program does not go through UOAssist so it wouldn't be legal. If you update it to the UOAssist API it would be okay.
In this case is sort of is. The new client uses Lua for the UI and it has an API that Mythic make available (and control). People can use it to make custom skins and modifications to the new client legally.And btw LUA is a programming language, not something you'd "go through"....
Wasn't tug interested in updating it with the new client?You are missing the point.
If the map app is to work with the new client you cannot go through UOAssist, since it doesn't work.
How are you going to get the data?
Yeah. He has permission to write a new approved app for the new client. Dunno if there's much need for it really, since the new client does a lot of what UOA does anyway.Wasn't tug interested in updating it with the new client?
Not sure what you mean by this, but OK. Aren't you doing yours in VB?Well if your not using a real programming language I guess I don't have anything to worry about.
You arrogant, snide fool.Well if your not using a real programming language I guess I don't have anything to worry about.