A new abuse of a ninja spell with taming that needs to be addressed

[imported_Lord GOD(GOD)]

I find it funny that you don't know what presumtuous means when you have internet access.

I find it funny that you think the amount of macros you have makes you better than someone (especially when you don't know what their playing or how many macros they have).

I find it funny that you think a screen name validates/invalidates an argument more than fact.

You haven't replied to anything your posts are angry gibberish.

 

[UncleSham]

ive been a tamer for a long time and its not as easy as it looks.
it is NOT as simple as hitting an all kill macro.
i dont know how many times ive seen poeple buy the advanced character tamer , toss on some jewelery ... and FAIL MISERBLY.
there are alot of dificulties reguarding pets .

first and formost , they are dumb as rocks. (stupid dog, ya made me look bad)

i dont know how many times ive hollered all kill / all follow me till im blue in the face , run back to find my pet with his nose in a corner, trying to kill something ON THE OTHER SIDE OF A WALL .

these pets get hung up on every tree or stairstep ... they have to go kill every mongbat that gets within sight ... god , i swear , sometimes i damn near have to e bolt them just to get their attention. (oh ive done it . hehe, better get that invis off quick)
and yes this is being 3 time legendary ... you'd think they'd listen... *sigh*

the bigest problem with the magincia event (and i tried various pets) was that as soon as i got on sight , my pet would see all these targets and deside it would be wise to run away from his healer and go play with 2 dozen demons.

if i did manage to find an isolated demon and keep my pet on it i still would lose out to the more beefed up dexers . serious , i often couldnt even grey the corpse ...
i went and got my necro/samy/fencer and had no problems greying corpses ... even if i came in late.

so for you poeple who want to complain about damage being overpowered ... bah i know better.

add that to the fact that the new dragons are slow as pack horses (and about as nimble) you really shouldnt have a problem outrunning them . the issue comes in when someone spams a petball . (a simple 10 seccond delay would fix this)

if pets werent so stupid , we wouldnt need petballs , but they are , and we do . so please dont just remove our petballs . you want to delay them fine . want to put a limit on how many times ... fine . but we pvmers need them (even in fel)

i dont believe stealthers are the problem . even on siege with no passive reveal. there are ways to counter.

i dont believe the ninjas are the problem . leave em alone , animal form is a big part of their profile.

i dont believe the pets are the problem . dragons just got a little due respect , dont turn them into chickens.

its the combination of all of these . (poeple using legal game mechanics to their best advantage) and THEN using petballs and auto stable as they were never intended.

and furthermore if you do manage to "balance" this particualr problem (stealth ninja tamers in pvp on siege) you're just going to have these twinks shift over to the next best thing and be a$$hats all over again .
you can nerf this to your hearts content . someone will just take the next "template of the month" and run with that .

and quite honestly , theres absolutely nothing to say you couldnt do the exact same thing yourself. so dont cry for the nerf ...that helps nobody in the long run.

noone wants to speak up to defend the class being nerfed till its your turn with the nerf stick ... then who will speak up for you ?

(dont cry . addapt)

and in closing id just like to say . yes i play a tamer . yes i play on siege . no the pet isnt the problem. its poeple abusing the pet balls and insta stable.

dont nerf the classes . put a limit on how often pet balls can be used (per char not per ball... like a skill timer) and change auto stable to actually stable the pet . problem solved. and it wouldnt affect honest tamers.

id love to see some improved pet ai , but apparently thats asking too much coding. they've been dumb as hell forever .
"BAD dragon" *smacks dragon* ... *counts fingers*

edit= not a reply to "you" specificly. just in general

 

[imported_Lord GOD(GOD)]

Good post Uncle Sham. I make you 100% right on all that.

*was wondering if it was a reply to me until the edit*

Just to clarify for anyone skipping to the last page of this now boring topic.

This isn't my topic. I am only in favour of pet balls being changed in regards to their pvp use.

 

[MadTexan]

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This isn't my topic. I am only in favour of pet balls being changed in regards to their pvp use.

[/ QUOTE ]This isn't my topic, I am in favor of them not being changed, as any change to them in PvP will, in my opinion, ultimately have a negative affect in PvM.

I am in favor of animal form using a control slot, as it is my opinion that any player able to move at mounted speed should pay the price of a control slot for that speed.

 

[Guest]

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any player able to move at mounted speed should pay the price of a control slot for that speed.

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Yea, spending 100+ skillpoints for it isn't nearly enough!

Seriously, when I see a "riding" skill or "equestrian" even, then we'll talk. Until then, control slots are a ridiculous idea.

Nerf petballs.

 

[Guest]

There are other ways the ninja thing could be addressed. Such as you can't issue "all kill" or "guard" commands whilst in animal form. If you enter animal form after one of those commands, the pet resets to a non fighting state. In other words it just stops and goes WTF?

That way non tamer ninjas can do their thing normally, tamer ninjas can get some use from the animal forms, but then the pet is taken out of the fight by effectively being peaced.

Wenchy

 

[Guest]

You're overthinking it.

Nerf petballs.

 

[Guest]

Have you read my earlier posts? I think I've called for a nerf of pet balls at least 100 times in the last week here

I am merely suggesting a fix for ninja tamers so that if it's necessary to address said ninjas, the legit players don't get screwed. Or would you rather EA just took a random hit at ninjas instead?

Wenchy

 

[Guest]

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Or would you rather EA just took a random hit at ninjas instead?

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I'd rather they don't touch Ninjitsu at all. It's a cramped template with not a lot of killing power. Ninjitsu tamers aren't the problem. petballs are the problem. Hence why I said you're overthinking it.

Nerf petballs.

*edit* and for the record, I have read this *entire* thread --- and others!

 

[Guest]

I think I've said clearly that I don't want any unnecessary nerfs.

I do however understand that there may be issues with a tamer who can skip around in animal form even after the pet balls were tackled. We don't know how EA will deal with pet balls, Jeremy never even mentioned pet balls when she hinted at tamer balancing. Which is why I think legit players deserve a bit of butt cover from nerfing. I'm concerned that EA will nerf something stupid to simply shut up the PvPers who are complaining. I wouldn't be at all surprised if they did tbh.

Wenchy

 

[Nerf-Herder]

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I bet someone, probably you will care if my Ethy does not take a control slot. Remember the dragon is the dangerous part.

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Way to go genius. Too bad you overlooked the fact that YOU CAN'T CAST SPELLS IN ANIMAL FORM. You also can't use weapon specials, yet all of these thing ARE possible while riding an ethy.

THAT is why ethies take a control slot.

Put a timer on petball useage and make it so pet balls cannot be used in animal form.

Problem solved.

I am starting to wonder just how many of you animal form control slot proponents actually PvP and face tamers in the field on a regular basis. Because anyone that DOES already knows animal form on a tamer template only helps the tamer escape when things go bad. It is the pet ball useage that makes it deadly.

(Sorry if some of this has been posted before, but I just got sick of listening to this guys ramblings. He is obvisouly riding a UHall bandwagon/witch hunt and doesn't often encounter PvP tamers in Fel)

 

[Llewen]

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I find it funny that you don't know what presumtuous means when you have internet access.

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I knew what the word presumptuous meant, and how to spell it, long before the internet even existed, GOD...

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I find it funny that you think the amount of macros you have makes you better than someone (especially when you don't know what their playing or how many macros they have).

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I could be easily be wrong, you're right, I don't know how many macros you use, but I'm betting you don't use as many as frequently as I do in pvp. My point was and is a counter to those who think playing a tamer in pvp is simple. How many macros you have to memorize and learn in UO does have a lot to do with how complicated and difficult a template is to play. And if you think a good tamer will never have a dead pet, either you are a complete idiot, a liar, or you don't play a tamer. My guess is you don't play a tamer, or if you do, you don't play it often, either that or all you do with it is hunt deer. If you don't play a tamer in pvp, it's a safe bet that you don't use as many macros as I do. I have seven, tamer specific macros that I use all the time, and then I have a full set of mage macros and others on top of that.

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I find it funny that you think a screen name validates/invalidates an argument more than fact.

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One of the synonyms for presumptuous found listed here, says it best about your attitude in your posts, and your forums name is a great example of that - arrogant. Your forums name just says a great deal about you, or about what you think is funny...

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You haven't replied to anything your posts are angry gibberish.

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Congratulations, you do know how to spell "gibberish", too bad it doesn't apply...

 

[imported_Lord GOD(GOD)]

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I knew what the word presumptuous meant, and how to spell it, long before the internet even existed

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Then how come you thought it had something to do with my boards name?

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I could be easily be wrong, you're right, I don't know how many macros you use,

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You could have just left it at that. You don't really need to say things I already clearly know as I said them to you.

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but I'm betting you don't use as many as frequently as I do in pvp. My point was and is a counter to those who think playing a tamer in pvp is simple. How many macros you have to memorize and learn in UO does have a lot to do with how complicated and difficult a template is to play

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"I knew what the word presumptuous meant"
It could do, or it could not do, depends how you look at it. The longer you play a template the easier it is to remember where you've set things. It could also be a case of wether you macro absoloutely everything or just the stuff you need in fights. As it's something highly individual to the player and their ability to organise their macros you can't claim superiority for having more than someone else if their set up is more efficient. I personally don't macro everything as I don't need it all mid fight, I use gumps and a last spell macro to cut down on the amount of keys I need to asign for non mid fight spells, that doesn't make my setup better/worse than anyone elses it works for me and thats all I need it to.

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One of the synonyms for presumptuous found listed here, says it best about your attitude in your posts, and your forums name is a great example of that - arrogant. Your forums name just says a great deal about you, or about what you think is funny...

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Actually it doesn't, presumptuous-ly or presumptuous-ness would refer to being presumptous about something. Therefore chosing a name can't be considered a presumptous act unless of course I picked the name because I had presumed it would cause some effect. As you do not know wether I did or not, you can only presume.

My forum name says Lord GOD(GOD) &amp; nothing else. You are no more enlightened as to what I find funny as you are to how many macros I have. If I used the same logic I would presume your name is Welsh but as I don't particularly care wether it is or not I don't bring it up.

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Congratulations, you do know how to spell "gibberish", too bad it doesn't apply...

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Yes I spelt presumptuous wrong, but then I never claimed to be great at spelling. Good job your here to spellcheck my posts for me.

As your so fussy about the way I chose to write my posts, when you said this:
"I knew what the word presumptuous meant,"
Does that mean you don't anymore? As you refer to "long before the internet even existed" I could logically presume you've forgotten. Or surely it would read:
'I know what the word presumptous means,'

It's also funny that despite proudly claiming to know what presumptuous means (&amp; how to spell it!) your third comment shows you clearly looked it up on a dictionary site.

Also if you find the term gibberish doesn't apply, perhaps you'll be more at home with troll?