A debate I would like the good people of uhall to decide (including great pic)

[Sublime69]

I am not going to explain how I do this figure out the UO macro system for your self. I will give you a hint though using the new targeting system and update range is important. But yes sometimes I try to discord an already discorded animal.

 

[Fayled Dhreams]

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What a Joke!

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So you yeild then? ... left speechless? certainly isn't a joke ...
I DID allow as to how it could be legit ...
AND how it is probably not, in this case.

IF they were discoing on tames ... no problem tis legit
What you do with the tames in your control behind close doors ... tis your business
However ... they aren't
Probably because the Numbers available that way ...
WOULD NOT give the same rate of gains ... Eh?

IF they were just discoing to be discoing ... No problem
Being at 120/120 real skill ... would mean no gains ... right?
No Gains ... no problem
Probably not though ... huh ... since two "maybes" in this thread SAY they are ...
follow?

IF they weren't blocking the animals IN the house ... no problem, no blocking
Blocking is a problem when the animals cannot attack ...
AND when no-one else can attack either the Players or the Wilds
In FEL ... this would appear to be perfect guard zone barding disco for SAFE gains
SAFE gains with NO risk

theres that pesky "gains" word ... you like it?
want to keep it?
Don't come crying when they disco you/your pet in battle ....
ANYWHERE in Fel.

IF they were to fill the house to capacity with properly rented/bought vendors ... no problem tis legit
No wilds, no pens, players can access the vendors via the house sign ...
WHY aren't they doing that?
Probably cause they don't get the gains (ohoh) from passive vendors ...
LIKE they DO from passively corralled cu sidhe's.

IF as you offered ...they setup on an island, withourt a house ... no problem, tis legit
"They" (the two I've seen, were blue) could setup in Tram or Fel ...(any other facet island)
and get their gains ... no problem ...why haven't they?
'Tis clearly "legal"

Probably not in FEL due to "fear of discovery" ...both blue chars and all the wilds ... subject to interaction on discovery
Probably not on a Tram ruleset island ... no "death" for them ... but the bother of replacing the 50-60 animals would be a bother
Pffft!
why "risk" that?
YOU are defending their actions ...

Huh?

 

[Sublime69]

GM was here Made his decision plucky should have left it at that and been done with it. This is the third time I have told you this. Please stop helping Harrass me.

 

[imported_ParadoxUO]

It seems to be Illegal... a Catskills player just got banned for it... animals were removed... Ice Island.

Safe Gaming!

 

[Guest]

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youre getting desperate to get this locked bye putting words in my mouth. I said if someone cheats there pathetic. I know you would love to try to marry it to an agenda to get me in violation of the roc but I never said you cheated I said IF you have to cheat to play a game.

The picture says it all and I will say it again the picture speaks volumes. What is pictured is illegal and has been validated bye the ruleset.

I know you want to say I am obbsessed and I am accusing you of things not subtainted or any other nefarouse negative verbage so you can accuse me of harrasment. But I said nothing you hung yourself with that pic and I didnt have to say anything.

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Once again loser. I AM NOT THE ONE TRAINING DISCORD. So how can I have hung myself with a picture Im not even in?? The only thing I did at that house was put an arrow in your ass. I dont care if this thread stays open or not as it has nothing to do with anything I have done in the game. I just think you are a hypocrite accusing people of cheating when Im sure several people on Legends could list volumes of things you have done yourself. This is only one form of harrassment that you have done to others. Wouldn't be surprised if someone hasn't taken out a court order due to your personal attacks.

 

[Guest]

I never accused anyone. I came here asking for data on the rule set in regards to what was going on in that picture and the only rules that have been able to be referenced are in a negative connotation in regards to said picture. If that makes me accusatory (and in you're mind I am sure it does) then so be it.

But I didn't violate the ROC bye accusing anyone of anything. Unlike you whom again is trying desperately to putt my personal character in a bad light (with no proof to back it up which violates the ROC) because you cannot attack the argument because you're wrong so you will just attack the person.

 

[Guest]

So now that it is Monday and the Devs and Jeremy have had a few hours to get some coffee and donuts could any of them shed some light on this matter and let us know what is legal in this matter and what is not?

 

[Guest]

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I never accused anyone. I came here asking for data on the rule set in regards to what was going on in that picture and the only rules that have been able to be referenced are in a negative connotation in regards to said picture. If that makes me accusatory (and in you're mind I am sure it does) then so be it.

But I didn't violate the ROC bye accusing anyone of anything. Unlike you whom again is trying desperately to putt my personal character in a bad light (with no proof to back it up which violates the ROC) because you cannot attack the argument because you're wrong so you will just attack the person.

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I dont need to put your character in a bad light, you do that fine on your own everyday on Legends. And yes you have been accusing my friends and guild of several things, so go back and read your own posts.

 

[BajaElladan]

I find both sad and deplorable this has consumed 2 topic threads, one for 6 pages of comments, and EAMythic has still FAILED to provide a difinitive statement on this type of action within houses.

GET OFF THE FENCE, EAMythic!!!

Elladan of Baja

 

[imported_Lord GOD(GOD)]

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I came here asking for data on the rule set in regards to what was going on in that picture

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Yet you've already shown your capable of looking up the rules getting the answer you wanted (by your own terms) making the entire thread pointless.

 

[imported_Lord GOD(GOD)]

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So now that it is Monday and the Devs and Jeremy have had a few hours to get some coffee and donuts could any of them shed some light on this matter and let us know what is legal in this matter and what is not?

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I definitely hope not, maybe then it might get through to you that their not obligated to.

You have already looked up the answer.

You even quoted it saying that it is up to a GM on a case by case basis and the player should accept the GM's actions.

You keep saying how clear those rules are, when are you going to start following them? Or do you just enjoy wasting devs time having to reply to every moron that thinks he/she deserves a specific answer? I'd expect that some part of the wording in their rules is so they don't have to address every issue as it'd be a huge waste of their time having to explain their rules to players, especially ones like you - who in one post say you've got the answer but yet continue to post asking for it.

 

[imported_Lord GOD(GOD)]

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How do you set up a disco next target macro without targetting one of the previous 20 uni's? Is this only in KR?

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No, this is really simple. It can be done on the old UO system.

First of all if your doing it in a certain enclosed area it helps if you set the update range to just fit inside the walls. This way your not trying to discord the guy harassing you outside. To do this you set a macro for 'Set update range' in the box to the right of it you type a number, when you press this macro it will grey out everything past the number (in tiles) around your player so you won't attempt to target things you don't want to. (as house sizes vary - you'll have to figure out the number yourself)

Then you set a multiple line macro:
Use skill - Discordance
Wait for target
Target next
Wait for target
Last target

Then you press the macro and it will attempt to discord the first target, wait until the re-use timer has finished press it again and it'll attempt to discord the next one... and so on. When you've discorded everything hide for 12 seconds (if your in a house you have 100% success at hiding) and the discord wears off and you can start again.

 

[Fayled Dhreams]

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GM was here Made his decision plucky should have left it at that and been done with it. This is the third time I have told you this. Please stop helping Harrass me.

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I'm NOT "helping harrass" you ...
In Fact ... I provided a "page proof" process you COULD be doing ... (above ... on an island)

One GM (supposedly) does not "settle" this case.
This is not a singular instance of "blocking" where "able to damage" applies ...

THIS is a case of "gains" ...(of course Un-attended applies for all cases) ...but specifically "Attended gains"
Attended gains in FEL ...

Under the "pets in house rule" ... there be this little bit (likely the GM was reading the "blocking" rules ... NOT the applicable one about this)

However there are times in which we will allow this.
If your home is set up to be a stable, or you are showing off various animals of Britannia and these animals are <font color=red>not being used</font color=red> TO GAIN SKILL, attack other players ...

may BE A STABLE ... BUT THOSE AIN'T NO PETS ... PETS ARE STABLEABLE ...50-60 WILDS ain't ...

Can't be a "case of harrassing" you... theres an OPEN invitation to page on the ROOF ...

btw ... WHY were the animals out in the yard awhile back ? (mentioned above/earlier)
bear in mind ... ALL actions by GM's ... are logged ... with a note about the outcome/action taken
IF the GM's set the wilds outside ... and you returned them ...

Suggested Vigilante page for action

wild animals in a stable in a house at &gt;location,facet&lt; being used for skill gains, please remove them. Thanks

 

[Sublime69]

The animals went outside cause I kicked them out putting the house in design mode.

 

[Sublime69]

Honestly this is a silly debate I would get more gains if I did this in Dreadhorn with UNTAMED ones that didnt loose all their stats and therfore barding dificulty from being tamed and released.

 

[Guest]

Harrasment is the always ready threat people use when you call someone out on an issue and they instead of having a conversation they would just rather threaten that there going to page on you for harrasment.

 

[Fayled Dhreams]

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Honestly this is a silly debate I would get more gains if I did this in Dreadhorn with UNTAMED ones that didnt loose all their stats and therfore barding dificulty from being tamed and released.

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BUT ... not AS safely ... cheaply, conveniently ... huh?

"just" felt the urge to redesign ? fair enough ...
In the hall, likely the surmise will be to remove any "pen" appearing accoutrements ...

Knowing that it MIGHT be wrong ... you persist solely for the ease ...

point taken ..
no problem ... play your playstyle as you can ...

Your STILL subject to inspection as are ALL others online ...
get used to it


OR...
remove thyself to an island for the desired peace and quiet

burma shave

 

[Sublime69]

I am more than willing to have a conversation with you Plucky in fact I came out SEVERAL times to do just that and you instantly recalled away. WHO doesnt want to have a conversation??

 

[imported_Lord GOD(GOD)]

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These decisions are made on a case by case basis and players should follow the decision made at the time.

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[Sublime69]

You paged you could have left it at that and been done with this, that is as a player the end of your responsibility. Where in the tos or anywhere else does it make it your right/responsibility to "make sure the gm's are doing their job" or even to check on what happened. I still do not understand why you were allowed to post a pic of what you call an exploit/something illegal with a map to the location. Also why is it again that you did not page and be done instead you gated people in and marked and dropped probably a good 50 to 100 runes to the house??? HOW is that not harrassment??

Furthermore NO WHERE have I threatened to page on you for harrassment. If I decide that is what I want to do there will be no threat just me doing it and letting the gm's handle it from there.

 

[Sublime69]

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BUT ... not AS safely ... cheaply, conveniently ... huh?

"just" felt the urge to redesign ? fair enough ...
In the hall, likely the surmise will be to remove any "pen" appearing accoutrements ...

Knowing that it MIGHT be wrong ... you persist solely for the ease ...

point taken ..
no problem ... play your playstyle as you can ...

Your STILL subject to inspection as are ALL others online ...
get used to it


OR...
remove thyself to an island for the desired peace and quiet

burma shave

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What is convenient or easy about trying to get an Ice Blue Cu Side to spawn taming over 200 of them with not one Ice Blue.
Second as Plucky stated this house has been in and out of customize mode several times, if you havent noticed it is not a "finished design" still working on the final design. If you note on pluckys pic a second set of doors was missing and I had to fix it to get in and out. And yes after repeated visits from Plucky and yourself I added a little message for you since you seemed infatuated with me.

I have no problem with inspection in fact I encourage it however the repeated constant stalking of my house is somewhat absurd.

You also keep refering to this being in fel, where does tramm, fel or anywhere else come in to play in this. What part of this being in fel has ANY bearing on anything???

 

[Fayled Dhreams]

You also keep refering to this being in fel, where does tramm, fel or anywhere else come in to play in this. What part of this being in fel has ANY bearing on anything???

You MIGHT have had some support for doing the disco ... in Fel, safely ... IF you had been a red ...(confined to fel only resources/locations)
Not the case? huh?
Neither is it about "the taming"

Its about the gains ...
as explained

 

[Fayled Dhreams]

Greetings, and thank you for your email.

Trapping pets in a house for the purposes of skill gain is illegal and is considered an exploit. Having wild animals trapped in your house may warrant a suspension on your account as it is a violation. As the knowledge base articles have indicated, if you block animals with an object or with housing that is considered an exploit and may result in account penalties. This is correct and we will action player's accounts for this offense.

If you see a house with animals trapped in them, please submit an in game petition with specific details of what is occurring. In game support will investigate the issue further and take action if warranted. Thank you for playing Ultima Online. Take care.

EARep *******
Player relations
EA Mythic

as noted throughout ... Skill Gain ... as long as NO ONE is ... good to go ... as determined by the GM...since they can look at your characters Skill Setting's (up, down, locked) ... they're the final judge ... each time ...would apply not only to Barding, gotcher lore ... taming, evalint ....possibly others too ...
...
mmmm where did I put that .... sugestion .... sugestion ... ah!
here
Suggested Vigilante page for action

wild animals in a stable in a house at &gt;location,facet&lt; being used for skill gains, please remove them. Thanks

 

[Guest]

Just as the knowledge base says.
I don't know why there was any arguement over it.

 

[imported_JoO]

is it illegal to use a bug to gain LOS in a private house yet?