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A debate I would like the good people of uhall to decide (including great pic)

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JoyousGard

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DOn't know, doesn't matter, BUT... Should be legal. It's posted on Stratics as a means for gains. The other rules are great. They should have court and enforcers for those rules. Oh wait, they do, and we are here! The developers designed the game this way, so it's their problem. THey would fix it if they didn't realize how crappy gaining skill is.

Look at it this way.... the ones who use pens don't learn to use the skill like those who really immerse themselves in the experience, so it evens out in the long run, because the ones that use the pens will expect their prey to just herd themselves into a corner for them, while the immersion folk will realize this is not the case.
 
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I love the arguement well since I can do it its ok. I guesse if you could use this same logic if you were a area with low law enforcement and saw a women wearing something revealing and just say hey but she was asking for it.

Get a grip. Its against the ruleset and it is clearly stated it is (meaning any thing that is used in a manner that was not its original purpose is an exploit). Just because the gms are nonexistent now and there is creative loopholes people are using to break rules it is still clearly against the rules just as much as my absurd example is about rl laws.

This is a black and white issue and no matter how much you want to try and say others will not make it so.
 
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Fayled Dhreams

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well ... currently ... they're (who knows ... so no names/assumptions)

They're working on putting the cu's back in the house ...
Gm might have removed them ...

OR:
"they" took 'em all out for a walk ... fresh air?
 
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what I find really amussing is in the beginning there were all puffing out there chests and bragging and daring me to page and to post and thanking me for gating in trammies and all the typical stuff but as soon as I followed through with it they changed there house like 3 times and have changed the unicorns to cus (I assume to be less obviouse and have a more durable pet) and have hidd there guild tags. Ohh and they have stopped posting so this thread will hopefully go away.

Kinda odd tactics for something they claimed to not only be legal but that gms have validated I would think if they had nothing to hide well they wouldnt hide anything like they seem to be doing now.
 
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imported_Lord GOD(GOD)

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they changed there house like 3 times

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Maybe because if you were gating people in with negative karma it was making the pets move. Or to put it another way - your interfereing with their skill training. If their changing their house that rules out the unattended part.

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and have changed the unicorns to cus (I assume to be less obviouse and have a more durable pet) and have hidd there guild tags.

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The durability of the pet doesn't matter their not attacking them.
The reason they'll have changed is because discord will stop gaining off Unicorns and they need a higher bard difficulty pet to train it on.
They've hid their guild tags? So what?
 
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To avoid any confusion, I'd suggest assuming such methods are illegal. There is no question that penned hiryu would be illegal, and cu sidhe can be aggressive if the bard is neg karma.

EA should do as much as they can to implement skill gain systems which are enjoyable and promote training through normal game play. Then methods like this wouldn't be used nearly so often.

Wenchy
 
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JoyousGard

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I love the arguement well since I can do it its ok. I guesse if you could use this same logic if you were a area with low law enforcement and saw a women wearing something revealing and just say hey but she was asking for it.

Get a grip. Its against the ruleset and it is clearly stated it is (meaning any thing that is used in a manner that was not its original purpose is an exploit). Just because the gms are nonexistent now and there is creative loopholes people are using to break rules it is still clearly against the rules just as much as my absurd example is about rl laws.

This is a black and white issue and no matter how much you want to try and say others will not make it so.

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Can't say I agree with your RL comparison, but it's yours. That's why I feel you need to "get a grip." Loopholes, gray areas, etc... maybe tax shelters would have been a better example? **** doesn't jump to my mind as a comparable RL example, but whose line was it anyway?

If it's a black and white issue why did you bring the post forward for discussion? Just keep paging GMs and bringing people by to look at the cheats. OR, rename the post... "A one sided rant that the good people of UHall are not to decide since it is posted in the rules, so there!"

I maintain my idea that if this was a problem, it would be fixed by the developers. At least, in regards to wild animals in houses. Maybe not in getting them stuck on the rocks, or surrounded by structures or whatever it is people do to pen animals.
 
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(They've hid their guild tags? So what? )

Well I personally thought they had nothing to hide then why hide there tags if they were not doing anything wrong.

Which they are and no matter how many of you speak youre opinion none of the people supporting these individauls have given an ounce of proof what is going on is legal.

Also prefice my other thread about she was asking for it in regards to any opnions that you disagree with the ruleset. Right now its illegal so youre opinion of why it shouldnt be isnt the issue. I asked if it was legal or not. Period

Clearly its not or all the mods wouldnt be avoiding replying in this post since they do not want to contradict or to look foolish bye stating something untrue.

Also they putt a roof on to hide there stables as well. The pic says it all I did not add anything to it. Clearly the majority spoke and refrenced data that states this is illegal all the minority of supporters have done is refrence vague nuances of the pic (like them being attended which is not the true issue) and they also have not provided anything refrencing any ruleset or data stating what is going on in the pic is legal.
 
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You made my point for me and on top of that you clearly showed youre own agenda of trying to get this thread locked bye stating the most salaciuose part of my post in hopes of getting this locked.

My example was absurd on purpose and was meant to point out that no matter what no matter where there are some that will disaggree with the laws and rules but there in place for a reason. I really hope the devs see this post before you agendaists get it locked bye trying to be contraversial or make this into an issue it is not.

Also I think we could fill the grand canyon with issues the devs need to address and havent so you arguement of if it was a true issue the devs would adress it is totaly invalid.
 
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JoyousGard

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You made my point for me and on top of that you clearly showed youre own agenda of trying to get this thread locked bye stating the most salaciuose part of my post in hopes of getting this locked.

My example was absurd on purpose and was meant to point out that no matter what no matter where there are some that will disaggree with the laws and rules but there in place for a reason. I really hope the devs see this post before you agendaists get it locked bye trying to be contraversial or make this into an issue it is not.

Also I think we could fill the grand canyon with issues the devs need to address and havent so you arguement of if it was a true issue the devs would adress it is totaly invalid.

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loco
 
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imported_Lord GOD(GOD)

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Well I personally thought they had nothing to hide then why hide there tags if they were not doing anything wrong.

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What I'm saying is, how/why (etc) would turning their tags off in anyway benefit them in evading being paged on? It's not like they turn their tag off and the GM says 'Oh noes! They have teh vanished!'

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I asked if it was legal or not.

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...and my answer is it is and theres no proof that it is'nt.

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Clearly its not or all the mods wouldnt be avoiding replying in this post since they do not want to contradict or to look foolish bye stating something untrue.

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Thats not clear at all, mods don't reply to a lot of threads.

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Also they putt a roof on to hide there stables as well.

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lol, seriously get a grip. Maybe they did it to counter the rain? lol, I have a roof on my house and a walled off area too does that mean I'm doing something illegal?

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The pic says it all I did not add anything to it.

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Yes it does. The picture says some guy is training discord in his house on pets he (or whoever) has tamed &amp; released while you stand behind his house coming up with a lot of conspiracy theories stretching as far as the cover up by mods on stratics.

It's really simple, you think he/she is doing something illegal. So page on him/her. There ends your responsibility.

Why do you ask here? Do you think the talking heads in Uhall are going to band together and transform in to a GM and ban him? Their not. The only person who can take action on him is a GM.
 
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I asked if it was legal or not.




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...and my answer is it is and theres no proof that it is'nt.

(QUESTION
Is it legal to block NPC's or monsters with objects, or invisible pets/players?

Answer

It is not legal to block NPC's or monsters with objects. The deliberate blocking of monsters or NPC’s with objects such as boats, crates, house tiles, invisible pets or invisible players with the intent to gain an unfair advantage, like skill gain or monster killing is considered an exploit and can result in account penalties. This also applies to “animal pens” or “Safe areas” in the game world. If the animal/monster cannot damage you, then you are abusing the system and will be asked to stop.

As well, if you find an area blocked off by items that another player has left there to gain an advantage for taming or monster kill, we ask that you either destroy the items, or pick them up for later disposal. Using these items to your advantage, even though you did not place them yourself, is still considered exploiting.

However there are times in which we will allow this. If your home is set up to be a stable, or you are showing off various animals of Britannia and these animals are not being used to gain skill, attack other players (in Trammel), or provide any unfair advantage to you or others then it is ok to leave your pets/animals in your home. However, please be aware that a Game Master may remove any wild pets if those pets are found providing an unfair advantage to other players or are causing an issue with the game in that area. These decisions are made on a case by case basis and players should follow the decision made at the time.)
 
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imported_Lord GOD(GOD)

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NPC's or monsters

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Doesn't mention tames or released pets then?

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However, please be aware that a Game Master may remove any wild pets if those pets are found providing an unfair advantage to other players or are causing an issue with the game in that area. These decisions are made on a case by case basis and players should follow the decision made at the time.)

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So as I said in my first post it's likely to depend on the GM.

"and players should follow the decission made at the time"
But probably won't and will probably harass the double whopper with cheese out of the guy. (including but not limited to posting lengthy witch hunt inducing rubbish &amp; conspiracys on Uhall)
 
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Razeial

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(QUESTION
Is it legal to block NPC's or monsters with objects, or invisible pets/players?

Answer

It is not legal to block NPC's or monsters with objects. The deliberate blocking of monsters or NPC’s with objects such as boats, crates, house tiles, invisible pets or invisible players with the intent to gain an unfair advantage, like skill gain or monster killing is considered an exploit and can result in account penalties. This also applies to “animal pens” or “Safe areas” in the game world. If the animal/monster cannot damage you, then you are abusing the system and will be asked to stop.

As well, if you find an area blocked off by items that another player has left there to gain an advantage for taming or monster kill, we ask that you either destroy the items, or pick them up for later disposal. Using these items to your advantage, even though you did not place them yourself, is still considered exploiting.

However there are times in which we will allow this. If your home is set up to be a stable, or you are showing off various animals of Britannia and these animals are not being used to gain skill, attack other players (in Trammel), or provide any unfair advantage to you or others then it is ok to leave your pets/animals in your home. However, please be aware that a Game Master may remove any wild pets if those pets are found providing an unfair advantage to other players or are causing an issue with the game in that area. These decisions are made on a case by case basis and players should follow the decision made at the time.)

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If the animal/monster cannot damage you, then you are abusing the system and will be asked to stop. Well the unicorns cannot damage you if you fail a disco even if you were standing on them. So that rules that out. In this case, no it's not illegal, if it was.....lets say......Frenzied ostards....then yes it would be illegal, but unicorns do not pull aggro.

Also it seems like this only applies to UNTAMED or RELEASED animals, doesn't everyone know you can still gain disco off a blue/guilded pet?
 
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What is the likelyhood that all of those creatures pictures are still tamed?

How many controls spots would that represent and how many characters would have to be LOGGED IN for them to remain where they are located?
 
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Fayled Dhreams

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Aye ... theres the rub ...

CAN be legal ... to work disco on tamed ...
5 tamed chickens ...CAN be legally obtained and worked ... in a house ...

ooooo
40-50 wild "whatevers" however ... hmmm ... why?
OH! follower slots ...
 
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Razeial

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What is the likelyhood that all of those creatures pictures are still tamed?

How many controls spots would that represent and how many characters would have to be LOGGED IN for them to remain where they are located?

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You're right, they aren't tamed. But the other condition that has to be met is that the animal must be able to do damage to you if aggro'd. Since unicorns are passive, and so is discordance, then the penning of the unicorns is LEGAL because they will NOT do damage to you.
 
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Fayled Dhreams

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"animal must be able to do damage" ... not exactly ...
thats more of the "blocking" rule set ... than "makeing a zoo" ...

Zoo's "be legit" IF:
However there are times in which we will allow this. If your home is set up to be a stable, or you are showing off various animals of Britannia and these animals <font color=red>are not</font color=red> being used to gain skill, attack other players (in Trammel), or provide any unfair advantage to you or others then it is ok to leave your pets/animals in your home.

The setup could be "legit" ... IF the barding sounds are coming from a 120/120 realskill bard ... no skill gains possible

 
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Razeial

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By this logic it would be illegal to try to bard any animal, in a room, anywhere in UO
 
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Careful Fayled they might come back with a retort like Loco with some pic of some obscure rappers as a retort to you logical and concise argument that is supported bye the rule set which you referenced.

Or they might just tuck tail and run And ignore the post now or call me some more names because that's what most people do when they cant attack someones argument they will just attack the person.
 
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Fayled Dhreams

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no ... there ARE legal methods of training ...

This doesn't happen to be one of them ...

YOUR statement:
"By this logic it would be illegal to try to bard any animal, in a room, anywhere in UO "
IS illogical ... or just a guess ...
BOTH are wrong in this case.

Burma Shave
 
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imported_Lord GOD(GOD)

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obscure rappers

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They can't be that obscure if you know their rappers.

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logical and concise argument

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Whats logical or concise about asking Uhall to decide wether or not something is legal?

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rule set which you referenced

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Which said it's up to the GM on a case by case basis and the player should ACCEPT the GM's actions.
 
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what I find really amussing is in the beginning there were all puffing out there chests and bragging and daring me to page and to post and thanking me for gating in trammies and all the typical stuff but as soon as I followed through with it they changed there house like 3 times and have changed the unicorns to cus (I assume to be less obviouse and have a more durable pet) and have hidd there guild tags. Ohh and they have stopped posting so this thread will hopefully go away.

Kinda odd tactics for something they claimed to not only be legal but that gms have validated I would think if they had nothing to hide well they wouldnt hide anything like they seem to be doing now.

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HAHA what a riot. They changed to CuSidhe cause they were gaining better on them. They got rid of the pens to avoid any possible grey area on the rules since a few seem to have issues about it. They put a roof on to send you a message. So far the only GM they have talked to just ask if they are there, and they have answered every GM that has been sent with pages. No GM or Dev has told us this is incorrect and the rules just state we cant keep them from doing damage.

"If the animal/monster cannot damage you, then you are abusing the system and will be asked to stop."

They can damage them anytime they wish, but they are not agro monsters and discording does not agro them. I fail to see where they are breaking or even bending the rules. The only odd tactics I heard of are your repeated visits like you are some kind of UO policeman.
 
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well we all would aggree the gms are nonexisent pretty much now. So yes I do what I can to keep peps honest.

I also do not care if you think I have no life I think you have a pathetic one if you have to cheat so we are even.

btw how do we know if there are pens since there is a roof? Just curouse.

Also I am glad he has been attended since the intial discovery....
 
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imported_SavageSP

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Personnally, Id consider Pluckys non stop obcession and repeated visits a form of Harrassment, and id page on him.
 

Stigmatas

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EA should do as much as they can to implement skill gain systems which are enjoyable and promote training through normal game play. Then methods like this wouldn't be used nearly so often.

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Frashizzle.


Quest based skill gain. RoT...(not like on seige, but similar.....not as slow).

My idea would be that you would do quests for every ten points of skillgain. Go kill X amount of creatures using said skill then you could not take the next step of the quest for 24 hours or so.

The clickfest of UO is why people do stuff like this.
 
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Just how do I cheat? If you are referring to this house, these characters are not mine. If you are going to accuse me of something have some proof. Are you claiming I do something else? Are you saying you dont associate with anyone that cheats yourself and that you are above all others? What exactly are you accusing me of here? Careful or you may end up getting your thread locked by the mods.

As for pens, that is up to the GMs. If they want to check they house they can. Its a private house and you have no right to see inside if they dont want you to.
 
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Fayled Dhreams

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ooo
one of the "innocent" parties then ?
No GM or Dev has told us this is incorrect and the rules just state we cant keep them from doing damage.

So ... your saying that this IS a "fair method" of bard skill Disco skill gain ... in fel ...
tsk!
kinda like"house-hiding barders" eh?

surrrre reads that way ... no danger from the "wild animals" ... no danger from the PvP's ... no danger from the trammie vigilantes ...
purrrrfectly safe ...


course ... to avoid the "blocking" bust ... gonna need for there to be an accessible path for the wilds to walk out of ...
otherwise they are clearly "blocked in" ... and if ANYone gets a gain off them ... particularly barding disco ...
better be "while chasing them"

And ... that clear path out ... gonna allow for some PvP effects ... to get in ...provo at least ... eh?

No problem being attended ... can run the PvPer's off your lawn ... herd the beasties back in ...

Now ... IF they were tames ... blue/green ... under control and accounted for by slots ...

NO need to leave a path out ... or let PvP effects in ...
NOW your perfectly safe ...

Well


Till the <font color=red>reds find out</font color=red> they've LOST another little bit of fel ... to the blues ...

heheheh
G'Luck with that
 
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joblackjon

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Dear Mr./Mz. F. Dhreams,

You said I can't legally have creatures in my house to gain Disco.
You said I can't legally gain Disco on creatures that might have wandered into and become trapped in, say, Skara's Mage Shop.
How about creatures that are "trapped" in the pens around Yew?
Can I legally gain Disco on creatures that are "trapped" on an island?
Can I legally gain Disco on creatures that are "trapped" in Exodus dungeon?
What about those creatures "trapped" in various buildings in Ilshenar?

What if I Tamed and transported a bunch of creatures to a little island and proceeded to gain a whole lot of Disco...is that illegal? If it isn't illegal, what is the difference...island vs. home?

What's is the criteria for illegality here?
It can't be the concept of "trapped" because there's a whole lot of trapping going on. It can't be "in a building" since many creaturses are "trapped" in buildings, pens and dungeons.
 
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Razeial

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What's is the criteria for illegality here?
It can't be the concept of "trapped" because there's a whole lot of trapping going on. It can't be "in a building" since many creaturses are "trapped" in buildings, pens and dungeons.

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This statement only further reinforces what i mean when i said it would be illegal to try and bard any animal in any room, ANYWHERE!
 
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joblackjon

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To Razeial,

"This statement only further reinforces what i mean when i said it would be illegal to try and bard any animal in any room, ANYWHERE!"

So all those buildings with rooms in Ilshenar "would be illegal to try and bard any animal"? What about the critters that roam the rooms of that dungeon (I can't recall the name!!!) that requires magery for entry? What about all the myriad of dungeons that have "rooms"?

Are we Bards to be banned and condemned from practicing our art indoors? Barding ...the outdoor only sport!

In which case I assume that you have no problem if I Tamed and transported a bunch of creatures to a little island (definitely not a room!) and proceeded to gain a whole sh|t load of Disco?
 
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Fayled Dhreams

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au contraire mon frair ..

thats what your reading ...
NOT what I said ...

Subtle difference


As I noted ...could be a legal setup ...
IF none of the bards is gaining any skills
and/or being Done fully attended without skill gains<u> in barding DISCO</u>
(muscian strumming the stringed instrument ...
needs more tenths ... missing quite regularly ...
doesn't matter for this case though ... wouldn't NEED 40-60 penned animals to gain the music tenths huh?)

Course ... I have an advantage of actually going to look "on scene" ...

You CAN legally have tamed pets in your house to gain skills ... HUH!?
these pets aren't "tame" though huh?

You CAN legally wall in your tamed pets ... though you don't need to (stay command)

Paging for "blocking" ... has already been dealt with: re: the pens and "taking damage"
NOW ... oh venerable opposing counsel

Deal with the rules regarding "housing pets"
However there are times in which we will allow this. If your home is set up to be a stable, or you are showing off various animals of Britannia and these animals are not being used to gain skill, attack other players (in Trammel), or provide any unfair advantage to you or others then it is ok to leave your pets/animals in your home. However, please be aware that a Game Master may remove any wild pets if those pets are found providing an unfair advantage to other players or are causing an issue with the game in that area. These decisions are made on a case by case basis and players should follow the decision made at the time.

(Psssst! "pets" can be stabled ...)

 
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JoyousGard

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Obscure rappers? That's Cypress Hill, baby. Come ON!!! What do you listen to? Is this a Sarah McLachlan fan? I am so sorry if it is. I am normally not like this. Call me, we'll hang out.

The subject says "Debate" in it. That word implies something. So I figures, OK, here is my .02 cents and I wrote.... "Don't know, doesn't matter... should be legal."

Here's what I meant by that... "I don't know if it's legal, the legality does not matter to me... and I think it should be legal." This is a perfect gray area.

Let's suppose good UO people like mitzymoo and muffinkitten went through all this tedious work to make a beautiful "Players' Zoo" for new players. No one can argue with them, because they are such good UO people. But, one time, a new player tried his flute on one of the zebras and gained 0.2. What should happen? According to the UO police they should be banned, right? Two days or three, commandant?

Now you are going to say, "No, I would not ban them. They are good UO people and some noob gained 0.2, big deal." You are right about that, but where do you draw the line? YOU DON'T DRAW THE LINE. GMs draw the line, and they act accordingly.

So that is the gray area. Some people get banned and other people do not and the decision is made by GMs, not by you. Similarly (a RL example), you tried to expose the homeowners from your pic as cheaters in a way that was "legal" according to Stratics. Sure, you didn't use their names or name the guild but you probably ruined some peoples' gameplay experience by posting a map of where they live and keeping the post alive as long as you did. It reeks of vendetta.

So you took advantage of a gray area. Stratics says no names, but they allow maps. So you made a map with a fat red x (MSPaint?) on it of where they live, posted it on the internet and then offered gates to the house. Is that harrassment? To me, yes. But I am not a moderator and I don't make those decisions.

On the other hand, if I know where you live in UO... can I post a map of where you live on Stratics and have a subject line "Duck Season, sign up here!" Another decision for moderators, not me.

Here's the thing about pictures. Pictures tell a one-sided story, which is what you wanted because you don't like that guild or whatever it be. Maybe those people RP as scientists testing the effects of discordance on the three primary characteristics of animals found in Ilshenar. Maybe their house was supposed to be a laboratory but because they stink at home design, it just looks like a house with pens. Maybe they record the effects of the discordance on the various animals stats in a book they called "Scientific Facts." All of that stuff would not be visible from your pic but would be necessary for a decision-maker to know. There are any number of reasons like the previous one which make what they were doing OK. It's not my problem to figure out what they were doing. It is the problem of the GMs that you page.

I don't know what to tell you, but I will try. I'm sorry you feel that you've wasted your time gaining skill in some areas, because others (apparently your enemies) did it faster in a manner different from how you did.. Sometimes I feel the same way. I learn, I adapt. OK? BFF? *Snuggles*
 
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imported_Gwendar-SP

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For the avg player, the only issuue is that it stops spawn. If i go get the 2-3 Kirin from an area, and remove them to my house, will Ki-rin respawn in that area like they would if they had been killed?

What if, for fun, you went to the farm in Jhelom, Tamed via 5 pet slots at a time ALL the animals there, and had them in your house? And others went there to train Taming, but it was empty? hehehehe

According to the TOS, most of us have violated the rules. If you attack a non spell casting creature on land, from your boat, "You can not be harmed" it is an exploit. If you cast Blade spirits, onto a creature that can not cast dispell, and hide, "You are invisible", it is an exploit.

If you go to a safe spot, that is an exploit. This means no exiting a dungeon enterance if you are fighting something, or crossing a server line, as the monster can not follow you in most cases.

Since the game lets you do all this, and sometimes it is OK, and other times it is an Exploit, is just stupid. There are 2 types of Tactics in the game.
1. Tactics Skill: Increases how often you hit, and dodge enemy blows.
2. Real Tactics: What you do at the keyboard with your player in the game to help him survive, or kill stuff.

Oh, yea almost forgot, Attacking from inside or on the roof of your house, a creature that can not attack you back. I am sure NONE of us ever did that?

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As soon as you remove an amimal from its spawn area a new one will be able to spawn. You can remove it by killing it or taming it and leaving the area with it.

One problem with the number of creatures in the house may be lag. I know one person who got banned for bringing a bunch of polar bears to luna and releasing them.
 
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Razeial

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To Razeial,

"This statement only further reinforces what i mean when i said it would be illegal to try and bard any animal in any room, ANYWHERE!"

So all those buildings with rooms in Ilshenar "would be illegal to try and bard any animal"? What about the critters that roam the rooms of that dungeon (I can't recall the name!!!) that requires magery for entry? What about all the myriad of dungeons that have "rooms"?

Are we Bards to be banned and condemned from practicing our art indoors? Barding ...the outdoor only sport!

In which case I assume that you have no problem if I Tamed and transported a bunch of creatures to a little island (definitely not a room!) and proceeded to gain a whole sh|t load of Disco?

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I think you misunderstood my post. I agree with what you had said about confining it to outdoors.

To Mrs dreams. Im sorry but what is the difference between going to the yew sheep pens and putting a bunch of animals in there to discord and putting a bunch of animals in your house to train disco?
 
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Sublime69

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However, please be aware that a Game Master may remove any wild pets if those pets are found providing an unfair advantage to other players or are causing an issue with the game in that area. These decisions are made on a case by case basis and players should follow the decision made at the time.


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GM came made his decision it should have been left at that!!!!
 
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Guest

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youre getting desperate to get this locked bye putting words in my mouth. I said if someone cheats there pathetic. I know you would love to try to marry it to an agenda to get me in violation of the roc but I never said you cheated I said IF you have to cheat to play a game.

The picture says it all and I will say it again the picture speaks volumes. What is pictured is illegal and has been validated bye the ruleset.

I know you want to say I am obbsessed and I am accusing you of things not subtainted or any other nefarouse negative verbage so you can accuse me of harrasment. But I said nothing you hung yourself with that pic and I didnt have to say anything.
 
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joblackjon

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Dear Mr./Mz. F. Dhreams,

"You CAN legally have tamed pets in your house to gain skills ... HUH!?
these pets aren't "tame" though huh?"
Please show me where in my post did I state that the "pets" were tamed??? Please show me where I used the word "pet" in my post??? Please read more comprehendingly in the future.

Conviently, for you, you ignore my questions that refutation your simplistic concept to the issue at hand. Try answering all my questions but then again I don't think you can or want to do that. I have an idea, instead of answering all those difficult and uncomfortable questions, just answer this...

What if I Tamed and transported a bunch of creatures to a tiny island and proceeded to gain a whole lot of Disco...is that illegal? Why? If it isn't illegal, what is the difference...island vs. home?
 
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Fayled Dhreams

Guest
Need it in little bites?
Okay ...
"What if I Tamed and transported a bunch of creatures to a tiny island and proceeded to gain a whole lot of Disco...is that illegal? Why? If it isn't illegal, what is the difference...island vs. home? "
No problem at all with doing that ...

First ... you've eliminated "the house" ...
And ... in doing so ...
IF someone were to happen upon the isle of Dr. blackjon
You won't be able to deny them landing ... LIKE a house prevents "fair access" to the creatures in the wild ...

Simple

Better?
 
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joblackjon

Guest
To Razeial,

"I think you misunderstood my post. I agree with what you had said about confining it to outdoors."

I am ABSOLUTELY NOT "confining it to outdoors". I think that is ridiculous. There are myriad buildings and "rooms" in dungeons and across the lands that contain various creatures. Are you actually suggesting that a Bard should have no access to these creatures???
 
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joblackjon

Guest
Dear Mr./Mz. F. Dhreams,

"First ... you've eliminated "the house" ...
And ... in doing so ...
IF someone were to happen upon the isle of Dr. blackjon
You won't be able to deny them landing ... LIKE a house prevents "fair access" to the creatures in the wild ...
Simple"

How can you, so experienced a player, assume that the house doesn't have "fair access"??? If I tamed a bunch of critters, released them inside my house AND my house was open to the public...that would then be legal. So the state of the house is the significant cirteria! I didn't know that and I don't think you did either! This is quite a different story from your earlier posts where nothing made the house scenerio legit!!!
 
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Fayled Dhreams

Guest
Ahhh your getting closer ...

I am ABSOLUTELY NOT "confining it to outdoors". I think that is ridiculous. There are myriad buildings and "rooms" in dungeons and across the lands that contain various creatures. Are you actually suggesting that a Bard should have no access to these creatures???

I'm NOT suggesting that barding be "confined" outdoors either ...
Nor denying natural barding gains in dungeons ...

YOUR defense of them "confining themselves" inside of their little safe "inaccessible dungeon houses" ...is exactly what is being talked about ...

keep working ...

your showing progress
 
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Fayled Dhreams

Guest
not so much critical as"key"
The house allows you to block out access via other players ...
unlike the island ...

The island is indeed "unescapable" for the critters ...
BUT it is also possible for other PLAYERS to enjoy the little paradise
unlike the house
especially in FEL where walls can be made to keep the others out and the animals in ...

Same case with a dungeon ...
OTHER players can "visit" and interact with the "collection" ...
unless you've found a way to make the dungeons "members only"
 
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Razeial

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To Razeial,

"I think you misunderstood my post. I agree with what you had said about confining it to outdoors."

I am ABSOLUTELY NOT "confining it to outdoors". I think that is ridiculous. There are myriad buildings and "rooms" in dungeons and across the lands that contain various creatures. Are you actually suggesting that a Bard should have no access to these creatures???

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Twice now, you have misunderstood and misread what i had said. I absolutly agreee 100% with everything you have posted in this regard. So, if you misunderstand THAT, i will not attempt to sway your eyes again...
 
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Razeial

Guest
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not so much critical as"key"
The house allows you to block out access via other players ...
unlike the island ...

The island is indeed "unescapable" for the critters ...
BUT it is also possible for other PLAYERS to enjoy the little paradise
unlike the house
especially in FEL where walls can be made to keep the others out and the animals in ...

Same case with a dungeon ...
OTHER players can "visit" and interact with the "collection" ...
unless you've found a way to make the dungeons "members only"


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Oh, sorry, let me go make my house public......there........is that better?
 
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joblackjon

Guest
Dear Mr./Mz. F. Dhreams,

I truly admire your remarkable ability to selectively ignore the questions and statements of fact that totally devastate your simplistic and inaccurate scenarios and arguments. That is the true mark of a successful poplitician and/or zealot. You're an inspiration to us all! Obfuscation is obviously something you majored in!!!

"keep working ...
your showing progress"
Is this some pathetic attempt to bait me??? I expected better from a pretentious, inept know-it-all poster??? Give me better that this, please!

Answer my questions, if you dare!!! But I am absolutely certain you will not. Prove me wrong...
 
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Fayled Dhreams

Guest
#7667379 - 03/15/08 03:07 PM
(rule quote)
However there are times in which we will allow this. If your home is set up to be a stable, or you are showing off various animals of Britannia and these animals are not being used to gain skill, ...

#7667742 - 03/15/08 08:58
well ... currently ... they're (who knows ... so no names/assumptions)
They're working on putting the cu's back in the house ...
Gm might have removed them ...
OR:
"they" took 'em all out for a walk ... fresh air?

#7668355 - 03/16/08 02:04
Aye ... theres the rub ...
CAN be legal ... to work disco on tamed ...
5 tamed chickens ...CAN be legally obtained and worked ... in a house ...
ooooo
40-50 wild "whatevers" however ... hmmm ... why?
OH! follower slots ...

#7668402 - 03/16/08 02:42
"animal must be able to do damage" ... not exactly ...
thats more of the "blocking" rule set ... than "makeing a zoo" ...

Zoo's "be legit" IF:
However there are times in which we will allow this. If your home is set up to be a stable, or you are showing off various animals of Britannia and these animals are not being used to gain skill, attack other players (in Trammel), or provide any unfair advantage to you or others then it is ok to leave your pets/animals in your home.

The setup could be "legit" ... IF the barding sounds are coming from a 120/120 realskill bard ... no skill gains possible

*AHEMM !*
This is quite a different story from your earlier posts where nothing made the house scenerio legit!!!

What thread are YOU reading ..??





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Sublime69

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I dont think even a mod on uhall has posted in this thread let alone a Dev. That should tell you enough if this is legal or not since no one wants to putt there foot in there mouths.

Too answer someone said he isnt bothering me... I disagree. He is cheating bye either one doing an exploit or bye running a script unattended or both. That bothers me because he is telling me (and every other honest player) hey my time is too important to play bye the rules set forth bye the owners of this game while (we) the ones not cheating have to spend a hundred times longer to get the same results he is cheating at.

So yes self important idiots that think there time is more important then mine does bother me (ALLOT).

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NO im not telling you or anyone else that. Yes my life is that pathetic that I can sit here almost 24/7 and mash my disco next target macro every eleven seconds.

If that is a problem for you then you are just jealous that I have more time to play UO than you do. Don't be I am sure I would much prefer the ability to go outdors and have a job and do normal stuff like most of you do.
 

Pfloyd

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How do you set up a disco next target macro without targetting one of the previous 20 uni's? Is this only in KR?
 
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