Jewelry in the Game?

[EnigmaMaitreya]

Lets get a comprehensive list of how Jewelry allows EXPLOITS in the game.

One should argue that Jewelry should be removed from the game, rather than attack the issue indirectly from a punitive stand point.

The reality is that Jewelry is in the game.

Much of the game play is based on the reasons Jewelry was introduced.

IF this path is pursued, then there will be those that rightfully call for some (and maybe more) of the following.

You have a +str piece. Your over your natural weight limit. Your stuff goes PUFF, you know that heavy plate piece you love so much.

Your have a +dex piece. You don't meet the requirements naturally. Your Stuff goes Puff.

The list goes on and on.

So you make a lot of people angry and create one humongous FEEDING FRENZY of righteous retribution.

So let head it off at the pass, lets let the absurdity of this righteous indignation, get put into one post.

 

[Aran]

Have you been drinking?

 

[5% Luck]

Its absolutely true. The fact that there is skill and stat bonuses on any item negates that fact that we are exploiting the system. If the current dev team/player base finds them selves at odd with the system that is in place a new one must be derived from scratch. If we start down the long road of fixing tweaking and nerfing it is a very long road and every bump will cost players. If this action was taken in account for the huge implications it realy has(ask and I shall list them) then SA will be an AoS change to the basic properties we all know and customize ourselves to.

 

[EnigmaMaitreya]

Its absolutely true. The fact that there is skill and stat bonuses on any item negates that fact that we are exploiting the system. If the current dev team/player base finds them selves at odd with the system that is in place a new one must be derived from scratch. If we start down the long road of fixing tweaking and nerfing it is a very long road and every bump will cost players. If this action was taken in account for the huge implications it realy has(ask and I shall list them) then SA will be an AoS change to the basic properties we all know and customize ourselves to.

But of course it is huge as in pervasive through out the game play.

At the end of the day, one needs to ask was it worth it, did it really improve the game play, were there in fact better ways to expend the resource dollars to improve the game.

 

[Connor_Graham]

Have you been drinking?

I think he's been puffing, not drinking.

 

[Sir Kenga]

Don't nerf jewelry i like it as is.

 

[WarUltima]

Is this another indirect crying from lower level sampire players who refused to spend points in necromancy but want the best necromancy form to work for them?

Anyways, yes jewlery has a lot of mods on them but so are many artifacts... So removed them all together?

 

[EnigmaMaitreya]

The reality is that there are a lot of people that play UO and they each represent a different take on things.

So there should NOT be a distinction of doing or NOT doing a thing because an individual does NOT see them as offensive.

IF the rule is going to be that one loses things (vs loses the ability to do something) because they take of the Jewelry then how does on realistically justify that .... well it only applies to some things.?

So darn tootin, you have items equipped that rely on your having Jewelry equipped, then those items go Poof when you take the Jewelry off, IF YOU HAVE THE ITEMS EQUIPPED.

I mean we are on a righteous retribution feeding frenzy, lets get it all out on the table here, lets cut each and every one of us a deep as we can.

This may help in the understanding of my point.

In common law legal systems, a precedent or authority is a legal case establishing a principle or rule that a court or other judicial body adopts when deciding subsequent cases with similar issues or facts.

The precedent on an issue is the collective body of judicially announced principles that a court should consider when interpreting the law. When a precedent establishes an important legal principle, or represents new or changed law on a particular issue, that precedent is often known as a landmark decision.

Precedent is central to legal analysis and rulings in countries that follow common law like the United Kingdom and Canada (except Quebec). In some systems precedent is not binding but is taken into account by the courts.

If it is unclear HOW this applies, then here is the HOW.

Ones proposal goes through.

Some one gets angry with a template.

They site THAT PRECEDENT as justification to change that thing.

If one thinks this does NOT CASCADE, then well ..... there will be a difference of Life Experience.

 

[D'Amavir]

Anyways, yes jewlery has a lot of mods on them but so are many artifacts... So removed them all together?

Yes.

 

[GalenKnighthawke]

This post is, of course, about the Sampire change.

If it helps, don't look at it as an exploit fix, look at it as a change you must adapt to.

-Galen's player

 

[WarUltima]

Yes.

Great. We both agreed on something.

 

[Beldon]

The reality is that there are a lot of people that play UO and they each represent a different take on things.

So there should NOT be a distinction of doing or NOT doing a thing because an individual does NOT see them as offensive.

IF the rule is going to be that one loses things (vs loses the ability to do something) because they take of the Jewelry then how does on realistically justify that .... well it only applies to some things.?

So darn tootin, you have items equipped that rely on your having Jewelry equipped, then those items go Poof when you take the Jewelry off, IF YOU HAVE THE ITEMS EQUIPPED.

I mean we are on a righteous retribution feeding frenzy, lets get it all out on the table here, lets cut each and every one of us a deep as we can.

This may help in the understanding of my point.

In common law legal systems, a precedent or authority is a legal case establishing a principle or rule that a court or other judicial body adopts when deciding subsequent cases with similar issues or facts.

The precedent on an issue is the collective body of judicially announced principles that a court should consider when interpreting the law. When a precedent establishes an important legal principle, or represents new or changed law on a particular issue, that precedent is often known as a landmark decision.

Precedent is central to legal analysis and rulings in countries that follow common law like the United Kingdom and Canada (except Quebec). In some systems precedent is not binding but is taken into account by the courts.

If it is unclear HOW this applies, then here is the HOW.

Ones proposal goes through.

Some one gets angry with a template.

They site THAT PRECEDENT as justification to change that thing.

If one thinks this does NOT CASCADE, then well ..... there will be a difference of Life Experience.

EA is a corporation and can do whatever they like with their product, but since you need it... precedence: AOS. I think your argument is 5 years too late.

 

[It Lives]

At the end of the day, one needs to ask was it worth it, did it really improve the game play, were there in fact better ways to expend the resource dollars to improve the game.

In Fact there is better ways to spend it, like giving it to me.. Imo

Onions rock!111!

 

[Uvtha]

so you mean it would be like it is already, and always has been? If you can't meet the strenght requirments of items they de-equip and go to your bag. Is that what you mean, or am I not getting what you are saying?

 

[EnigmaMaitreya]

so you mean it would be like it is already, and always has been? If you can't meet the strenght requirments of items they de-equip and go to your bag. Is that what you mean, or am I not getting what you are saying?

No actualy I said go Poof as in you lose it.

That does seem to be the current favored form of punishment.

 

[Arnie QuickPalm]

but if you do take off the + 1 str ring you CANT keep wearing the plate again why should you be able to keep vamp form with out the ring on ??

 

[Beldon]

so you mean it would be like it is already, and always has been? If you can't meet the strenght requirments of items they de-equip and go to your bag. Is that what you mean, or am I not getting what you are saying?

No actualy I said go Poof as in you lose it.

That does seem to be the current favored form of punishment.

No. Right now if you are wearing plate mail tunic and you need to wear a strength bonus ring to keep it on, it will fall off if you take the ring off. Right now if you cast vampiric embrace but need a necromancy bonus ring to cast the spell, the spell keeps going even if you remove if. They are changing it to work like the plate mail tunic example. Not quite the same thing as going poof. Going to poof would be casting vampiric embrace taking off the ring and loosing necromancy permanently.

 

[EnigmaMaitreya]

but if you do take off the + 1 str ring you CANT keep wearing the plate again why should you be able to keep vamp form with out the ring on ??

I think you want the argument to be reversed.

The way it is now, is you lose Vamp Form and the righteous retaliation wants you to lose the Plate because you took the Ring off. Get it? They lose the Vamp Form so you must lose items. Quid Pro Quo. Tamers must lose Stabled Pets. Quid Pro Quo.

We just need to figure out how to Bleed the Bard and the Mage.

Really lets let the Blood Flow.

...Not quite the same thing as going poof. Going to poof would be casting vampiric embrace taking off the ring and loosing necromancy permanently.

No Beldon, the Feeding Frenzy has escalated to losing things as in Quid Pro Quo they lost the Form, you will lose the Item, Tamers will Lose the Pet etc.

There are two groups making this argument, the first one is the ones that want rings/mods removed from the game. The second is the Ones that are now losing Vamp Form and want company in their misery.

 

[Beldon]

No Beldon, the Feeding Frenzy has escalated to losing things as in Quid Pro Quo they lost the Form, you will lose the Item, Tamers will Lose the Pet etc.

Is that what you want or is the what you believe? The so called feeding frenzy sounds like that is what you want. I noticed you did not even bother to try to attack my ring argument... maybe you should at least try.

 

[Beldon]

There are two groups making this argument, the first one is the ones that want rings/mods removed from the game. The second is the Ones that are now losing Vamp Form and want company in their misery.

Yeah, I agree. I think the AOS items system is what is destroying this game. But the argument is now 5 years too late. I say just let the storm blow over and not worry to much about it. What happens happens.

 

[EnigmaMaitreya]

Is that what you want or is the what you believe? The so called feeding frenzy sounds like that is what you want. I noticed you did not even bother to try to attack my ring argument... maybe you should at least try.

Why? You feel it is relevant and important so go for it. I see it as ... well nothing as in 100% not relevant.

Pay attention, two groups are arguing for the same goal but by different paths. They want your Mods to be gone. They want you to lose things as being equivalent to the loss of Vamp Form.

You can choose to argue about what has been made clear and should by this time be totally understood by now.

I choose to advocate the 100% stupidity of were the paths are going.

Of course the vocals are being totally myopic and focusing exclusively on their pet issues and being in this case totally clueless to the fact that there are a lot of people and they will all start whining and claiming their pet issue should be implemented based on the precedent on the proposed actions.

These are all Punitive based as they most certainly do want you to LOSE YOUR STUFF.

But you feel free to argue the past issues that every one should be very clear on by now.

When people choose to advocate that the removal of an Item should constitute the Loss of an Item as being equivalent to the Loss of Vamp Form which can be recast but the ITEM IS PERMANENTLY LOST. I tend to not think this as an issue to just *Shrug* and say What will be will be. When the proposal is to Delete Pets from the Stable, Delete the current pet as being equivalent to losing Vamp Form, I choose to say a Line has been crossed and if we collectively chose to self destruct then so be it, lets do it in style.

And lets be very clear here, dieing is removing the item that enables you to equip the item, have the pet in the stable, have a pet at your command.

 

[Beldon]

When people choose to advocate that the removal of an Item should constitute the Loss of an Item as being equivalent to the Loss of Vamp Form which can be recast but the ITEM IS PERMANENTLY LOST.

I don't think you need to worry about this. All your doing is lending credence to their argument by saying it is open to debate. People scream, whine and complain when things don't go their way. In a moment of vindictiveness you are in danger of compromising with these people to get them to shut up. Let them scream. If Mythic chooses to follow this insanity, they will get what they deserve.

 

[Uvtha]

No actualy I said go Poof as in you lose it.

That does seem to be the current favored form of punishment.

Thats like suggesting that if you lost vamp embrace due to lack of skill that you could NEVER cast it again.

No skill = no spell. No stats = no equip. Its the same thing.

 

[EnigmaMaitreya]

I don't think you need to worry about this. All your doing is lending credence to their argument by saying it is open to debate. People scream, whine and complain when things don't go their way. In a moment of vindictiveness you are in danger of compromising with these people to get them to shut up. Let them scream. If Mythic chooses to follow this insanity, they will get what they deserve.

*Shrug*

I am extrapolating this to its moronic logical outcome. This is hardly compromise or giving credence/legitimacy to their .... issue.

There is nothing Vindictive in my actions that is a total waste of time. I am bring the issue to the front and demonstrating exactly how dumb this will get.

IF the choice is to remove Mods then Fine so be it, we adapt and move on. I don't really care.

But By God do NOT do it peace meal, One freaking MOD at a time. One Freaking Template at a time.

But again, At the end of the Day was the effort worth it?

 

[Beldon]

There is nothing Vindictive in my actions that is a total waste of time. I am bring the issue to the front and demonstrating exactly how dumb this will get.

By vindictive I meant the people outraged by the sampire nerf. I prefer melee characters myself. I played the sampire template. I knew that it would also be nerfed. My friend prefers to play tamers. The first time he went out with a greater dragon he realized it will be nerfed. Overpowered things are put in the game all the time and then get nerfed. Usually it takes time. Not sure how long you have played, but you will learn it real quick after a couple of expansions. Trust me this is nothing new. We just haven't had an expansion in awhile. You really haven't played UO until you have had ALL your characters nerfed into oblivion.

 

[Warrior of Time]

If I remember right. There was a need to bring people into Felucca. At that point they decided to place scrolls in the game to fight over.

Question:
What would be worth fighting for?
Answer
Skill points.

Question:
Where we going to take the points from?
Answer:
Needing to be GM.

But that would make it only possable to have 6 skills not 7.

Question:
How do you fix that?
Answer:
Add skills to jewelry. The jewelry slots are not being used. They would be able to fill in the points that would be needed to make it to the worth we had at GM level.

The first people that noticed what had happened was the people using magery when casting 8th circle spells. It was done to all the skills that had scrolls added.

At the same time Doom was created which is where the artys come from. [Also a place to get the better ones.]

That would mean we need to make resist 5 diff kinds to add another need for the jewelry.

We can't let people have 100% resist or they could not take damage. Max resest set to 70 to prevent that.

That was just one of the reasons we have the troubles we have now.

We won't even talk about the changes that was made on the need of the plate, ring, and chain armor. They added barbed, horned, and spined leather to the reg leather.

(thinking back) Did I leave anything uncovered.

 

[Der Rock]

Dev´s exploit also, or confuses player


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"What is the actual duration of Cursed Weapon?"

The duration is your Spirit Speak skill (real skill, not counting jewelry) divided by 34, plus one. (actually, that's skill x 100 - so legendary is 1200 rather than 120. Makes the math cleaner ) That works out to 30 seconds at GM, or about 36 seconds at Legendary.
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NOT counting jewelry ?????
so what, i cant go to legendary with my 1/2 Necro 10/SS 15 ..++... Brace???

it is a shame, the dev´s give out items with mods, but they dont work.

 

[EnigmaMaitreya]

By vindictive I meant the people outraged by the sampire nerf. I prefer melee characters myself. I played the sampire template. I knew that it would also be nerfed. My friend prefers to play tamers. The first time he went out with a greater dragon he realized it will be nerfed. Overpowered things are put in the game all the time and then get nerfed. Usually it takes time. Not sure how long you have played, but you will learn it real quick after a couple of expansions. Trust me this is nothing new. We just haven't had an expansion in awhile. You really haven't played UO until you have had ALL your characters nerfed into oblivion.

*Shrug* Guess your just obsessed / fixated with lecturing me about things I already know.

Good luck with your efforts and I hope they entertain you.

Mean while lets get back to the issue and not me.

To follow the Vampire Form vs the Tamer argument.

You reduce the skill needed to cast Vamp Form to below what it takes to cast it and you lose it.

You reduce the skill needed to Control a Pet to below the minimum skill to control the pet and you lose the pet if you try to control it.

Ok the REALITY IS, the Tamer risks losing the pet that (s)he perhaps paid 80K+ for in insurance, time etc. The Vamp Form is a Spell and is recast.

Oh yeah that is an imbalance for sure.

The Tamer loses the Stable Slot and can NOT restable the pet unless they put the Jewelry back on.

So the Tamer loses two abilities to the one Spell that was cast and can be recast.

Yes that is really an Imbalance there.

Tomorrow it is the +str/+dex that enables you to equip an item, today it falls to your back pack, tomorrow they will want it to go POOF or perhaps the Thieves will advocate it fall to the ground and you cant pick it up.

Oh wait, what happens if you die? Oh yeah you forfeit all the stuff/pets. They are gone as you clearly do not have the skills/stats to equip/control them.

It MUST be the above (you LOSE THE ITEMS/PETS) because otherwise it would BE EXACTLY AS IT IS NOW.

So the short version.

Tamers lose their pet when they take off the Jewelry. No we are not going to be punitive, you just cant use the pet. HELLO I CAN NOT CONTROL THE PET WHICH IS THE SAME THING.

Ok lets try Stable Slots.

Tamers Lose the pet(s) in the stable if they take off the Jewelry. No we are not going to be punitive, you just cant use the pet as in take any out or put any in. HOW DOES ONE RESOLVE THE OVER CROWDING? Oh ok you can take them out but you can not put them back in. HELLO THAT IS EXACTLY HOW IT IS NOW.

Oh really? I didn't know that, oh well, on to this version then. We want all +tamer mods to be removed from the game.

Now take the above and change Tamer to your Template, take the Skill mods and apply them to Stat mods if appropriate, that is where this path is heading.

 

[RedDaTeef]

Jewelry on men is ghey...

 

[Phaen Grey]

What confuses me is that each of us has a choice to use jewelery, talismans, items that increase stats/skills or not to use them. If you don't like it don't use them and find a place you enjoy playing the game with people who enjoy playing by the same standards. The Dev team made a change, live with it and move on. Wasting time pointing fingers, and demanding everything be nerfed to oblivion is kind of a waste of the money you are spending to keep your account active.

__________________

 

[Beefybone]

He's not actually arguing that items you can't equip should be deleted. He's not even complaining about the vampiric embrace change. He's just having a cranial meltdown at the whole "Retaining benefits from skill items you don't have on is cheating!" routine being turned back on tamers via the stable slot issue.

I posted about it in the FoF thread, Jeremy said she'd pass it along to QA, and the forum tamer lobby suddenly crapped itself and began trying to make up reasons why the logic they harped on for months should magically not apply to them.

 

[Satanatra]

As a few people have pointed out - i think you have been smoking something.

The points you use to justify your position actually go against it:

+str rings... if you use them to equip an item, then remove them, the item falls to your pack...

+taming rings... if you use them to tame something, remove them and then try and use the pet (ie control it), you lose the pet as it goes wild again.

According to this argument... +necro rings... if you use them to assume a form, remove the rings... you lose the form.

You certainly present a clear case against yourself...

 

[Beldon]

Oh... his cranial meltdown was giving me a cranial meltdown.

 

[THP]

Another Sampire Whinner....LOL

 

[Littleblue]

If you have been smoking something good...make sure to save me some! *grins*

 

[D'Amavir]

I think you want the argument to be reversed.

The way it is now, is you lose Vamp Form and the righteous retaliation wants you to lose the Plate because you took the Ring off. Get it? They lose the Vamp Form so you must lose items. Quid Pro Quo. Tamers must lose Stabled Pets. Quid Pro Quo.

As many have already pointed out in regards to your flawed logic, you temporarily lose vampire form. You toss the ring back on, you can recast vampire form and it works fine. On the other side, you drop in strength and lose a high strength required item, you lose that item forever? If you can't see the difference there I don't know what to tell you.

 

[Connor_Graham]

If you have been smoking something good...make sure to save me some! *grins*

I think he got hold of some of that good government stuff. I lost track of where he was going with the first post.

 

[WarUltima]

As many have already pointed out in regards to your flawed logic, you temporarily lose vampire form. You toss the ring back on, you can recast vampire form and it works fine. On the other side, you drop in strength and lose a high strength required item, you lose that item forever? If you can't see the difference there I don't know what to tell you.

Unfortunately, even if a DEV comes out and explain it will all be pointless.
They dont see any rational logic other than "You fixed a loop hole that affected me its totally unfair."

 

[EnigmaMaitreya]

As many have already pointed out in regards to your flawed logic, you temporarily lose vampire form. You toss the ring back on, you can recast vampire form and it works fine. On the other side, you drop in strength and lose a high strength required item, you lose that item forever? If you can't see the difference there I don't know what to tell you.

You don't know what to tell me because you don't read with comprehension. You just read to insult others.

This is to all your sock puppets

It is obvious why you dont get it and dont want to get it and just want to attack people.

some .... LOL well exactly what it is

I don't even own any real +skill items, but tamers as a lobby looking at jewel-using sampires and screaming "SOMEONE IS KICKING THE CRAP OUT OF HIGH-END CONTENT BESIDES US?! CHEATER, CHEATER! NERF NERF NERF!" was enough to set me off.

Tamer: "Keeping the benefit of skill jewels while not actually wearing them is an exploit!"
Me: "Fine. I don't even use skill jewels on my sampire. But then you shouldn't get to keep extra stable slots when your taming jewels come off."
Tamer: "Oh shi-- uh.. um.. well you see... it's totally cool for tamers to retain some benefit from items they're not actually wearing... because... uh... see... LOOK IT'S THE GOODYEAR BLIMP!" *runs away*

This is pretty much my take on things too. Some tamers excluded of course. I haven't seen so many people doing the Texas Two Step since the time I accidentally walked into a cowboy bar.

In short IF a Tamer takes off the Mods he LOSES THE PETS. Oh wait they don't want their righteous retaliation to be seen to be applicable to the Stat Mods YET. Witness the Righteous Retaliation in the above, they are going to go after the Stat Mod enabled Items next UNLESS THAT HURTS THEM. But some one else will use THEIR PRECEDENT to push that change.

Many people have said that they should lose pets. On this board, on other boards here and on other boards at other sites. I didn't mean to imply that you had said that, however. If it came out that way, I apologize.

As I have said, I fully agree that stable slots should be based on real skill and that those that go under a certain skill level should have their stables locked from adding more pets until they either removed those over the limit or got their skill back up.

So let us NOT try to .... well project a picture of YOU not wanting to nerf templates.

So just how long until you start the whining campaign to have Items GO POOF? OR is it that WAIT HOLD THE PRESS THAT WOULD HURT ME.

The above is to all your sock puppets.

 

[Connor_Graham]

You don't know what to tell me because you don't read with comprehension.

It might help if what you wrote was ABLE TO BE comprehended.

This is to all your sock puppets

Perfect example....

 

[D'Amavir]

You don't know what to tell me because you don't read with comprehension. You just read to insult others.

This is to all your sock puppets

If you are insulted by people pointing out the flaws in your logic then that's all on you. If you honestly can't see the difference between temporarily losing a form and permanently losing a pet or item then that, also, is all on you.

But if you would like to try to explain what you think I am not comprehending, I am open to that.

I based my comment on the following words from you-

You have a +str piece. Your over your natural weight limit. Your stuff goes PUFF, you know that heavy plate piece you love so much.

Your have a +dex piece. You don't meet the requirements naturally. Your Stuff goes Puff.

So, what part am I not comprehending? And what part of my statement was an insult?

 

[D'Amavir]

In short IF a Tamer takes off the Mods he LOSES THE PETS. Oh wait they don't want their righteous retaliation to be seen to be applicable to the Stat Mods YET.

Again, you aren't making much sense. A tamer risks losing his pet if he tries to command it with too low of a skill level. Yes. Not sure where you see that tamers are asking to be able to control pets without the required skill to do so. But, if they are, I don't support that.

 

[EnigmaMaitreya]

In short IF a Tamer takes off the Mods he LOSES THE PETS. Oh wait they don't want their righteous retaliation to be seen to be applicable to the Stat Mods YET.

Again, you aren't making much sense. A tamer risks losing his pet if he tries to command it with too low of a skill level. Yes. Not sure where you see that tamers are asking to be able to control pets without the required skill to do so. But, if they are, I don't support that.

While I am totaly sure YOU love making the pretense I dont make sense, but lets see you make sense of your above quote and this quote

Who said anything about making them lose the pets? The only thing that I, and others, have said is that the stable slots should be based on real skill, and not jeweled. This wouldn't make anyone lose any pets. The ones that are over the cap would just have their stables locked until they took enough pets out to open a slot up according to the total of their real skills.

Many people have said that they should lose pets. On this board, on other boards here and on other boards at other sites. I didn't mean to imply that you had said that, however. If it came out that way, I apologize.

As I have said, I fully agree that stable slots should be based on real skill and that those that go under a certain skill level should have their stables locked from adding more pets until they either removed those over the limit or got their skill back up.

Now exactly how does my statements NOT MAKE SENSE?

*Gets the popcorn and waits to see the .... well SPIN the sock puppets take on that revelation of truth*

Lets have a Laugh at the sock puppets expense

"This wouldn't make anyone lose any pets. The ones that are over the cap would just have their stables locked until they took enough pets out to open a slot up according to the total of their real skills."

Care to tell the Tamers were they are going to put the pets they took out? OH WAIT YOUR SAYING THEY LOSE THEM. Nice piece of ... deceit by the sock puppets. OH wait you don't like the spot light on your absurd righteous retaliation? You want to change it to Oh they can take the pet out but not put it back, YOU MEAN THE WAY IT IS NOW and HAS BEEN?

Care to Tell the +Stat people why their items go POOF?

 

[D'Amavir]

While I am totaly sure YOU love making the pretense I dont make sense, but lets see you make sense of your above quote and this quote




Now exactly how does my statements NOT MAKE SENSE?

*Gets the popcorn and waits to see the .... well SPIN the sock puppets take on that revelation of truth*

Lets have a Laugh at the sock puppets expense

"This wouldn't make anyone lose any pets. The ones that are over the cap would just have their stables locked until they took enough pets out to open a slot up according to the total of their real skills."

Care to tell the Tamers were they are going to put the pets they took out? OH WAIT YOUR SAYING THEY LOSE THEM.

You post a statement by me that makes sense to try to show how a statement by you doesn't make sense? Ok.

So, let's start from scratch without you falling back on insults shall we? I am willing to start over. Maybe I just misunderstood what you were trying to say. What point are you trying to make? I will base my next comment on that point alone and not anything else you have said. So, what is your actual point?

 

[Connor_Graham]

Gets the popcorn and waits to see the .... well SPIN the sock puppets take on that revelation of truth

You sure do seem to have a fetish about socks. I'd suggest you try keeping it to yourself in the future. People might get the wrong idea.

Or maybe the right one.

Care to tell the Tamers were they are going to put the pets they took out? OH WAIT YOUR SAYING THEY LOSE THEM. Nice piece of ... deceit by the sock puppets.

Having pets disappear from the stables and making a choice as to which ones you have to give up are a big difference. The first you lose them. The second you have a choice. A choice that wouldn't have to be made if the game mechanics weren't being exploited in the first place.

Put THAT in your sock and chew on it.


Or whatever it is you're doing with those socks.


Not that I want to know, so you can keep that to yourself.

Care to Tell the +Stat people why their items go POOF?

WTF are you talking about? I suggest you put down the puff until you can make some sense.

 

[D'Amavir]

"This wouldn't make anyone lose any pets. The ones that are over the cap would just have their stables locked until they took enough pets out to open a slot up according to the total of their real skills."

Care to tell the Tamers were they are going to put the pets they took out? OH WAIT YOUR SAYING THEY LOSE THEM. Nice piece of ... deceit by the sock puppets.

Care to Tell the +Stat people why their items go POOF?

First, I am not saying that a tamer should lose their pets. I am saying that they shouldn't lose they pets.

Second, my opinion is that if a tamer dropped below the skill required to have a certain number of slots, they would not be able to use the stables until they took out enough pets to get back to their allowed amount. What do they do with the pets they take out? Up to them. They can do any of the following;

1. Release them
2. Trade them to another character
3. Gain enough skill to stable the amount of pets they have.
4. Leave them in the stables which would mean they couldn't put anything in there until they do one of the first 3.

Now, does that make sense to you? I am sure you would rather just throw out sock puppet insults instead of taking part in a real discussion. But I am giving you the benefit of the doubt and actually trying to make you see my points even if you may not agree with those points.

 

[Wenchkin]

I think he got hold of some of that good government stuff. I lost track of where he was going with the first post.

I believe a loose translation would be "I use taming items and want to continue to do so and keep their benefit. I don't want the folks who disagree with me to get what they want and force me to train to get those benefits for my characters".

Or along those lines...

Oh and other mods are now being brought into the argument, because if skill items go, apparently those who're nerfed will go on the offensive to get others nerfed. I don't do the whole "eye for an eye" thing so I'll pass on that offer. That and well, the UO Whine-o-meter isn't directly connected to EA HQ to guide the developers in their plans, so crying alone isn't enough to get someone nerfed.

Wenchy

 

[EnigmaMaitreya]

...
So, what is your actual point?

In the context of your LMAO attempt to white wash your intentional "Oh My I am so unable to understand", the point is YOU DON'T WANT TO UNDERSTAND AND YOU DON'T WANT ANYONE TO DEMONSTRATE THE ABSURDITY OF YOUR RIGHTEOUS RETALIATION AND YOUR BRINGING OUT THE SOCK PUPPETS TO MAKE IT SEEM LIKE A COMMUNITY THING.

The Greater Point is clear, The Righteous Retaliation group wants to make every one pay for the change to Vampire Form. So lets all just find all the completely moronic ways we can hurt every one. Lets all advocate the reversal of resources spent over the last 5 years and spend all the resources to do that reversal, then spend even more resources doing some thing else. Lets get all the PETTY VINDICTIVENESS out on the table. Lets make darn sure WE DEMONSTRATE HOW WE ARE JUST ABOUT PETTY VINDICTIVE BEHAVIOR. Let us NOT EVEN PRETEND TO BE ABOUT WHATS BEST FOR THE GAME.

But we shall just put your the post YOU CUT / PASTE AND BUTCHERED BACK IN TACT.

In short IF a Tamer takes off the Mods he LOSES THE PETS. Oh wait they don't want their righteous retaliation to be seen to be applicable to the Stat Mods YET.

Again, you aren't making much sense. A tamer risks losing his pet if he tries to command it with too low of a skill level. Yes. Not sure where you see that tamers are asking to be able to control pets without the required skill to do so. But, if they are, I don't support that.

While I am totaly sure YOU love making the pretense I dont make sense, but lets see you make sense of your above quote and this quote

Who said anything about making them lose the pets? The only thing that I, and others, have said is that the stable slots should be based on real skill, and not jeweled. This wouldn't make anyone lose any pets. The ones that are over the cap would just have their stables locked until they took enough pets out to open a slot up according to the total of their real skills.

Many people have said that they should lose pets. On this board, on other boards here and on other boards at other sites. I didn't mean to imply that you had said that, however. If it came out that way, I apologize.

As I have said, I fully agree that stable slots should be based on real skill and that those that go under a certain skill level should have their stables locked from adding more pets until they either removed those over the limit or got their skill back up.

Now exactly how does my statements NOT MAKE SENSE?

*Gets the popcorn and waits to see the .... well SPIN the sock puppets take on that revelation of truth*

Lets have a Laugh at the sock puppets expense

"This wouldn't make anyone lose any pets. The ones that are over the cap would just have their stables locked until they took enough pets out to open a slot up according to the total of their real skills."

Care to tell the Tamers were they are going to put the pets they took out? OH WAIT YOUR SAYING THEY LOSE THEM. Nice piece of ... deceit by the sock puppets. OH wait you don't like the spot light on your absurd righteous retaliation? You want to change it to Oh they can take the pet out but not put it back, YOU MEAN THE WAY IT IS NOW and HAS BEEN?

Care to Tell the +Stat people why their items go POOF?

 

[D'Amavir]

In the context of your LMAO attempt to white wash your intentional "Oh My I am so unable to understand", the point is YOU DON'T WANT TO UNDERSTAND AND YOU DON'T WANT ANYONE TO DEMONSTRATE THE ABSURDITY OF YOUR RIGHTEOUS RETALIATION AND YOUR BRINGING OUT THE SOCK PUPPETS TO MAKE IT SEEM LIKE A COMMUNITY THING.

The Greater Point is clear, The Righteous Retaliation group wants to make every one pay for the change to Vampire Form. So lets all just find all the completely moronic ways we can hurt every one. Lets all advocate the reversal of resources spent over the last 5 years and spend all the resources to do that reversal, then spend even more resources doing some thing else.

But we shall just put your the post YOU CUT / PASTE AND BUTCHERED BACK IN TACT.

You need help. You really are starting to babble a little and I am afraid it is making whatever point you think you are making lost in the mix. Dial back the anger a little and try to be more clear. I almost get what you are trying to say but your anger is clouding it too much.

To clarify, I THINK you are saying that the people that are upset about the sampire changes are trying to bring in more nerfs out of their anger at their templates being changed. And that some, not all certainly, are reaching for and asking for much harsher actions to be taken against those that are sorta doing the same thing as them. And example is tamers using +taming jewels to boost their skill and stable slots and anti tamers asking for tamers to lose pets in stables permanently if the tamer goes under a certain skill. IF that is what you are trying to say, then I agree. Comparing losing a temporary form temporarily is no where near the same level as losing a pet permanently in the event of a skill reduction.

Again, that is just what I think you are trying to say. But having to wade through your anger to get to that point makes it more difficult than it has to be. And your insults just turn people off from paying any attention to what you have to say, valid or otherwise.

 

[EnigmaMaitreya]

You need help. You really are starting to babble... Typical Day Care Psycho Babble

To clarify... Typical Day Care Psycho Babble white washing

your insults.. Typical Day Care Psycho Babble Pretend Parenting

Yes yes, you make it clear you are every thing good in the world and every one else (that isn't a sock puppet) is every thing evil in the world. The best thing about clever people like you with the sock puppet paradigm is this, you always think your the genius and every one else is the moron. You go right ahead and do the personal attacks and paint job of me being *gulp* angry MUWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. I am so sure you have such exact knowledge of me Oh wait you don't.

The Greater Point is clear, The Righteous Retaliation group wants to make every one pay for the change to Vampire Form. So lets all just find all the completely moronic ways we can hurt every one. Lets all advocate the reversal of resources spent over the last 5 years and spend all the resources to do that reversal, then spend even more resources doing some thing else. Lets get all the PETTY VINDICTIVENESS out on the table. Lets make darn sure WE DEMONSTRATE HOW WE ARE JUST ABOUT PETTY VINDICTIVE BEHAVIOR. Let us NOT EVEN PRETEND TO BE ABOUT WHATS BEST FOR THE GAME.

Here is the Spot Light YOU do not want.

In short IF a Tamer takes off the Mods he LOSES THE PETS. Oh wait they don't want their righteous retaliation to be seen to be applicable to the Stat Mods YET.

Again, you aren't making much sense. A tamer risks losing his pet if he tries to command it with too low of a skill level. Yes. Not sure where you see that tamers are asking to be able to control pets without the required skill to do so. But, if they are, I don't support that.

While I am totaly sure YOU love making the pretense I dont make sense, but lets see you make sense of your above quote and this quote

Who said anything about making them lose the pets? The only thing that I, and others, have said is that the stable slots should be based on real skill, and not jeweled. This wouldn't make anyone lose any pets. The ones that are over the cap would just have their stables locked until they took enough pets out to open a slot up according to the total of their real skills.

Many people have said that they should lose pets. On this board, on other boards here and on other boards at other sites. I didn't mean to imply that you had said that, however. If it came out that way, I apologize.

As I have said, I fully agree that stable slots should be based on real skill and that those that go under a certain skill level should have their stables locked from adding more pets until they either removed those over the limit or got their skill back up.

Now exactly how does my statements NOT MAKE SENSE?

*Gets the popcorn and waits to see the .... well SPIN the sock puppets take on that revelation of truth*

Lets have a Laugh at the sock puppets expense

"This wouldn't make anyone lose any pets. The ones that are over the cap would just have their stables locked until they took enough pets out to open a slot up according to the total of their real skills."

Care to tell the Tamers were they are going to put the pets they took out? OH WAIT YOUR SAYING THEY LOSE THEM. Nice piece of ... deceit by the sock puppets. OH wait you don't like the spot light on your absurd righteous retaliation? You want to change it to Oh they can take the pet out but not put it back, YOU MEAN THE WAY IT IS NOW and HAS BEEN?

Care to Tell the +Stat people why their items go POOF?