What happened to the Luna vendors?

[RavenWinterHawk]

/signed. This is a GREAT idea..

A million problems. Just look at it logically.

 

[RoycroftLS]

A million problems. Just look at it logically.

I did look at it logically. I looked at your hastily made generalizations and argued against them using examples and reason. So unless you have some counterexamples (that can be backed up without the assumption that the rest of us are below your level of intelligence), stop trolling the thread.

 

[Ezekiel Zane]

I completely agree. Comparing and setting prices is the second most common reason I check out prices in Luna by accessing 3rd party web sites. It's a great way to price your items on vendors accurately.

BLAH
Listen to yourselves.

NOW YOURE SAYING (after bashing luna for high prices and gauging), it be good to use Luna prices as via a search system for setting your prices.

You do get, I would log on, search, buy all the freaking hot items, put them on different vendors at higher prices, youd search vendors, see higher prices, raise your prices... And I would go to BRIT BANK and sell all my stuff cheaper that I got cheaper and make some gold. (SARCASM) See how the system would be manipulated.

Are you all kidding me.

How about keeping the game a game?

Go learn.

What have we become? 3rd party addicted. Everything and any moment must be know to us.

*YAKS*

One major problem with your example there though, I don't set my prices the same as Luna. I set my prices using Luna's prices for reference only. You'll still find most things on my vendors cheaper than you would in Luna.

I do not however, have my prices set so much lower that some Luna merchant will come and buy up all my stock to make a profit on reselling it.

How about keeping the game a game?

Spending hours of my time searching the shard and searching vendors and the umpteem set up of bags isn't my idea of playing the game. Maybe you enjoy it. I, like most players, do not. If there were a vendor search feature added you don't have to use it. You can still recall all over for hours upon hours to find what you need. I however will use the search and get back to playing the game.

 

[Lord Kynd]

Dying game, shrinking population. Eventually Luna will be owned by one guy with 50 accounts and no one to sell to but himself.

lol, that would be too funny

 

[Edina Monsoon]

Good Lord, what a hot topic, it would be crazy for me not to post my opinion, sweetie, darling.

I am on Oceania, at all the Luna vendors are empty... Mostly. There is one well stocked vendors and that is at the usual, crazy Luna prices. Can't find anything like arrows, bolts, clothing, just the typical artifacts and powerscrolls that you would have to farm gold for a month to afford.

That said, sweetie, run over to West Zento, where we have our fully loaded, player friendly, undercut Luna vendor prices for things that you may or may not realise you need.

I am sure that the Luna vendors are coming and buying up all our arrows and bolts and resources deeds and stocking their vendors and doubling the price. At least we don't have burning houses on Oceania, seems like the cheaters have avoided our shard since there are only really 5 or 6 players with multiple accounts.

So, darling, come on over and buy some of the weapons that I have had stocked for months now that no one wants to buy. At least we are stocked.

I need a drink, where's the stoli?

 

[the 4th man]

"Dying game, shrinking population. Eventually Luna will be owned by one guy with 50 accounts and no one to sell to but himself. "


UO's been dying now for what...?? 10 years is it??
Nice try beefyboy.

 

[RavenWinterHawk]

I did look at it logically. I looked at your hastily made generalizations and argued against them using examples and reason. So unless you have some counterexamples (that can be backed up without the assumption that the rest of us are below your level of intelligence), stop trolling the thread.

I can do as I wish.

Explain to me how one player with 100 million, could not abuse a UO wide vendor search.

How that one player or group that gets the info first or finds out a cookie first, couldnt sit back and suck up all the related vendor inventory.

For this one reason, its a no no.

 

[RavenWinterHawk]

"Dying game, shrinking population. Eventually Luna will be owned by one guy with 50 accounts and no one to sell to but himself. "


UO's been dying now for what...?? 10 years is it??
Nice try beefyboy.

Yeah but his making a nice profit selling to himself.

 

[RavenWinterHawk]

One major problem with your example there though, I don't set my prices the same as Luna. I set my prices using Luna's prices for reference only. You'll still find most things on my vendors cheaper than you would in Luna.

I do not however, have my prices set so much lower that some Luna merchant will come and buy up all my stock to make a profit on reselling it.



Spending hours of my time searching the shard and searching vendors and the umpteem set up of bags isn't my idea of playing the game. Maybe you enjoy it. I, like most players, do not. If there were a vendor search feature added you don't have to use it. You can still recall all over for hours upon hours to find what you need. I however will use the search and get back to playing the game.

I know...
And players dont like having to spend umpteen hours raising skills
Or umpteen hours collecting gold
Or umpteen hours collecting resources
Or umpteen hours waiting for an artie to fall
Or umpteen hours whatever.

You dont like it...
Thats fine. But a vendor wide search is short sighted. Sure you can search. Get ready (when you need IRON) to be paying 30 per ingot because the guy with 100's million just buys up all the ingots in the game and sticks them on his vendor.

Yeah, youll have found them but now you will need to be spending umpteen hours farming gold to pay for them.

I guess its only me that sees how easily and quickly the system would be abused.

Its not you or the idea. Its how it would be abused. Sorry. Call me a troll and belittle me. I dont much care about that. The fact is it would be so abused.

Arrows,
Bolts,
Ores,
Woods,
Ingredients
Gems.

Just to start.

 

[azmodanb]

"Dying game, shrinking population. Eventually Luna will be owned by one guy with 50 accounts and no one to sell to but himself. "


UO's been dying now for what...?? 10 years is it??
Nice try beefyboy.

UO is like r/l ... END OF THE WORLD IS HERE !!! (every year) .. haha.

 

[azmodanb]

I know...
And players dont like having to spend umpteen hours raising skills
Or umpteen hours collecting gold
Or umpteen hours collecting resources
Or umpteen hours waiting for an artie to fall
Or umpteen hours whatever.

You dont like it...
Thats fine. But a vendor wide search is short sighted. Sure you can search. Get ready (when you need IRON) to be paying 30 per ingot because the guy with 100's million just buys up all the ingots in the game and sticks them on his vendor.

So? If someone wants to buy up all the iron then fine... at least "john" who puts up his iron for 10 per ingot will sell it.. who cares who buys it... it's sold for "john" .. just dont buy from the guy who has it at 30 gold per and he will stop. He buys it all... then that's someone making a profit off there sale.. and that guy can just stock pile all day till the sun goes down. He wont sell any of it at 30, and will have to complete with all the lower prices, or keep buying it, and in that case the little man benefits. With insta selling of his hard earned ingots from mining.

Yeah, youll have found them but now you will need to be spending umpteen hours farming gold to pay for them.

Or just mine and get your own, and put them up for sale and make profit from the big man buying them all up

I guess its only me that sees how easily and quickly the system would be abused.

It would be abused but you would be able to tell in a second who is buying everything up ... and you are not forced to buy from them. People do what your talking about now... they vendor crawl, buy all iron, and put it on there vendor. It's happening now. Doing this will not really change anything, it would just make it more obvious.

Its not you or the idea. Its how it would be abused. Sorry. Call me a troll and belittle me. I dont much care about that. The fact is it would be so abused.

And so is every new feature that comes out. But at least you would be able to tell in a click that ONE guy has it all... and just dont buy from him, and he will have to lower prices or own 5M iron ignots which is fine, I would just start mining and putting up iron cheaper, so he would buy from me and I would make money while he sits on his pile of iron, till he has to make a house out of it and give it away from lack of sales.

Arrows, get them at a town vendor in the morning
Bolts, or gather feathers and make a new char with 50 fletching
Ores,
Woods,
Ingredients same as above it would be easy to tell who has everything and you just dont buy it or put an auction feature or buy it now feature
Gems.

Just to start.

I understand it would be abused and agree, but you can still profit from the rich folks abusing it ... by having a quick sale of things you put up there... let them horde it.. pretty soon they wont be able to horde anymore, once they get a stock pile and no more room to pile, then you win... or at least will make your money easy and quick from them "abusing" it. The UO community would notice "Fred" owning everything ... and just not buy from him at his insane prices, you can always go to a NPC or whatever ... or just gather your own rather then farming gold. Plus you can always buy out loud, like always bank sitting.

 

[RoycroftLS]

I can do as I wish.

Explain to me how one player with 100 million, could not abuse a UO wide vendor search.

How that one player or group that gets the info first or finds out a cookie first, couldnt sit back and suck up all the related vendor inventory.

For this one reason, its a no no.

A person with hundreds of millions of gold can already attempt to control the market on an item. Many big-ticket items are only found in Luna nowadays, which is already covered by a third party search. When was the last time you were running through the wilderness and randomly came across a vendor in the middle of the woods stocked with Crimson Cinctures and 120 powerscrolls?

If a person sells those items on a vendor, it's going to be in Luna. There are relatively few so it's easy for someone with a large stockpile of gold to corner the market.

But do you see anyone turn a large profit by buying up all those items and selling them for a significant markup? No, because people know the market prices (the vendor search functionality helps with that) and the vast majority refuse to be gouged since the items are still obtainable in game.

Besides, if someone corners the market on a still obtainable resource and raises the market price, people will flock to obtaining more of that item since it presents a higher profit margin. The resource baron will be forced to continue buying up all the new products to maintain his profit potential, but at some point he will run out of gold. It's simple supply and demand economics.

So your "one reason" is a moot point.

 

[canary]

People are leaving UO anymore, its seemed more prominent this past year.

 

[NuSair]

Mythic has had the market explorer feature in DAoC for over 5 years now, making them one of, if not the the oldest with that feature. So, unless they laid off all of the programmers and lost the code (sounds familiar, no?) it should be possible to add something like this into UO..... obviously an over-simplification since I'm sure it is easier to code for DAoC (cleaner).

Try Everquest......has had it for longer.

It's really a simple database manip interface....

 

[Ezekiel Zane]

I'm gonna pull a number out of my butt here but I'm gonna guess that around 90%+ of all significant vendors are located in Luna.

By significant I mean vendors selling high-end items, large quantities of resources, stocked well and frequently restocked.

This means that already most vendors in the game are able to be searched using what is unfortunately considered an illegal method because they use that program which cannot be named to gather the information for their database.

Everything Ravenwinterhawk is worried about is already possible and of course done to some extent. Like I said, I'm guessing 90% or more of our vendors are in Luna thus able to be searched.

A shard-wide, all inclusive vendor search system would allow me to have my shop in Yew Tram or anywhere else I wanted it to be and my items would be just as prominently displayed as any vendor currently located in Luna.

The only people with anything at all to lose from an ingame vendor search are the Luna house owners because they will no longer have a monopoly on the best vendor spots in the game. The demand and thus the value for Luna house spots will go down. This I'm sure of. That scares the Luna house owners more than anything else.

 

[RavenWinterHawk]

A person with hundreds of millions of gold can already attempt to control the market on an item. Many big-ticket items are only found in Luna nowadays, which is already covered by a third party search. When was the last time you were running through the wilderness and randomly came across a vendor in the middle of the woods stocked with Crimson Cinctures and 120 powerscrolls?

If a person sells those items on a vendor, it's going to be in Luna. There are relatively few so it's easy for someone with a large stockpile of gold to corner the market.

But do you see anyone turn a large profit by buying up all those items and selling them for a significant markup? No, because people know the market prices (the vendor search functionality helps with that) and the vast majority refuse to be gouged since the items are still obtainable in game.

Besides, if someone corners the market on a still obtainable resource and raises the market price, people will flock to obtaining more of that item since it presents a higher profit margin. The resource baron will be forced to continue buying up all the new products to maintain his profit potential, but at some point he will run out of gold. It's simple supply and demand economics.

So your "one reason" is a moot point.

I can turn a profit. Its not moot.

Look I appreciate both of you guys points of view. I dont agree.

Heritage tokens. 100k to 200k
The next day they where worth 10000 ticket points.

A person could buy them up with a vendor search.
Put them out for 300 to 400k make 50 to 100% profit.

Resouces

New recipe require BLUE DIAMONDS.
Makes 200 luck jewelry.
Next day all gone. Resold for 5k to 10k a gem

It would happen.

Doesnt mean it wouldnt be advantageous to search for the valorite stone vase when you need one. I suffer the same pain when decorating. Where can i find stone tables?

SO, I go brit and find a stone crafter. Maybe find a rune to his place.
A vendor search would be easier. But you give up stuff for the ease.

 

[RavenWinterHawk]

I'm gonna pull a number out of my butt here but I'm gonna guess that around 90%+ of all significant vendors are located in Luna.

By significant I mean vendors selling high-end items, large quantities of resources, stocked well and frequently restocked.

This means that already most vendors in the game are able to be searched using what is unfortunately considered an illegal method because they use that program which cannot be named to gather the information for their database.

Everything Ravenwinterhawk is worried about is already possible and of course done to some extent. Like I said, I'm guessing 90% or more of our vendors are in Luna thus able to be searched.

A shard-wide, all inclusive vendor search system would allow me to have my shop in Yew Tram or anywhere else I wanted it to be and my items would be just as prominently displayed as any vendor currently located in Luna.

The only people with anything at all to lose from an ingame vendor search are the Luna house owners because they will no longer have a monopoly on the best vendor spots in the game. The demand and thus the value for Luna house spots will go down. This I'm sure of. That scares the Luna house owners more than anything else.

GUYS
LUNA DOESNT HAVE A MONOPOLY
GEEZ.

If half the people that say they dont shop there... didnt.
Other vendors must be making a mint.

Pick up runes. Put them in book. Recall

I have 15 or 20 great vendors I visit that are player run.
I promise they arent mirages.

Now the website that does the luna search. Is exactly why I know the idea would be abused.

Go there. Look. Right now. 59 verite hammer for 10 mill each.

lets see putting in pearl necklace

400k to 3 million.

Is that guy that selling them for 600k ripping people off?
I dont think so.
But now, he has to settle for selling at 400k

What about the vendor house that works hard to advertise, stay stocked, markets themselves. Does all kind of work to get their name out...
LIKE
the Atlantic Outlet
Treasure Trove.

Dont they have a right to create a merchant world and not be bound by search engine prices?


And guys why in the name of Lord Brit do you think a search engine would scare Luna owners?

Maybe it would bring down the value of the house. Who cares. As for selling your stuff, I dont think it would be that scary.

 

[Ezekiel Zane]

For what most players consider the most visible and easiest to find vendors in the game. It's damn hard to beat Luna.

What's the most common answer when anyone asks where they can buy, shop and search for something, it's Luna. Luna is easy to get to and it generally has dozens of vendor houses stuffed with vendors. Almost none, if any, advertising is necessary. Everyone eventually comes to Luna. Even the die hard anti-Luna players will come to Luna if they exhausted all their other options. Having your vendors in Luna is very profitable.

Owning the houses in Luna is doubly profitable when you add in the vendor fees for other players renting out spots in your house. I've had a feeling for a while now that a lot of Luna house owners aren't even running their own vendors anymore. They are making tons of gold just by owning the house and renting out vendor spots. They aren't merchants anymore they've become landlords.

I play Pacific shard. In the past I had about four dozen runes to good vendors around the shard. One of the oldest and best was PTC. They are all gone now. I have I think now only like six runes to shops that are not in Luna and those six are slowing disappearing as well over time. For the most part I acquire most of what I need myself. I don't shop much anymore except for something usually very specific.

It's very hard for any vendor to survive outside of Luna. It's a lot of hard work and time to dedicate to advertising your vendor and developing a client base that will return for repeat business. If every vendor on the shard was able to be searched it would completely level the field for all vendors no matter where you were located.

It's ok we can disagree. I'm ok with that. I don't forsee any aspect of a shard-wide vendor search database as being detrimental to UO's health. I do think the search system would be more beneficial than the current set up with illegal websites running a database of predominantly Luna vendors.

 

[RoycroftLS]

Heritage tokens. 100k to 200k
The next day they where worth 10000 ticket points.

A person could buy them up with a vendor search.
Put them out for 300 to 400k make 50 to 100% profit.

Again, I'm left wondering how this is different from the way things are now. People have always speculated in items that are affected by the latest patch notes. And market volatility is one of the risks you have to take into consideration when you choose to buy or sell something.

How it works now: An item has it's abilities affected, making it more valuable. People use the third party luna search and buy up all those items. People check all their vendor runes and buy up all those items. All cheap items are gone in a matter of hours.

How it would work with a vendor search: The same as above, except the timetable is probably minutes instead of hours.

But, the average player is helped by the vendor search. Say he logs in to sell said item after the patch notes have been posted, but before he has read them. (which is more common that you might think, not everyone is a stratics junkie) He does a quick market search to see what the prices are, and lists his item at the new higher price when he sees that prices have jumped. The way it is now, he doesn't have a quick way to see how prices change, and would probably sell it at the old price... Meaning less profit for him and more for the speculators.

After giving it some more thought, I don't really buy how scripting the vendor search would give a huge advantage to anyone in the speculating market. You still have to be online when the patch note or latest news is posted to see how items are affected and decipher which items are more valuable (which scripts can't do). Sure, you could write a script to automate the finding of vendors that have those items in game, but you still have to locate and run to each vendor and purchase the items. If you've ever seen a scripter, you know that their pathfinding is made to be reliable, not quick.

So yes, the vendor search would level the playing field when it comes to making a profit on speculating items. Which is a valid concern if that is how you make your gold in game. But personally I don't see why a system that would be a large convenience for most of the player base should be held back because it would prevent a few rich people from getting richer.

 

[RoycroftLS]

lets see putting in pearl necklace
400k to 3 million.
Is that guy that selling them for 600k ripping people off?
I dont think so.
But now, he has to settle for selling at 400k

Market prices are determined by the buyer, not the seller. Just because I list something at 3 million doesn't mean it's worth 3 million. It's worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it. If the seller doesn't like the price that the market dictates, he has every right to keep the item and wait for a more favorable market.

What about the vendor house that works hard to advertise, stay stocked, markets themselves. Does all kind of work to get their name out...
LIKE
the Atlantic Outlet
Treasure Trove.

Dont they have a right to create a merchant world and not be bound by search engine prices?

A merchant world? The vendor system as it is now requires zero person-to-person interaction. Adding a vendor search would reduce the time and effort taken by both the buyer and seller in this non-interactive marketplace.

As for being bound by a global price, local businesses still have the opportunity to compete with the Wal-marts of the world. What they lack in low prices they make up in other areas like customer service.

Applying this to Ultima Online, people could justify a higher than market price by interacting with their customers to make the shopping experience more pleasant. For example, auction houses do quite well despite the fact that to sell an item you have to pay a fee (hence you don't get the absolute best price possible). Why? because some people actually play this game to interact with others, and auctioneers make the shopping experience interactive and enjoyable.

And guys why in the name of Lord Brit do you think a search engine would scare Luna owners?

Maybe it would bring down the value of the house. Who cares. As for selling your stuff, I dont think it would be that scary.

Have you seen some of the prices Luna houses are selling for lately? For the reasons Ezekiel Zane mentioned, Luna vendors enjoy plenty of advantages over the rest of the vendors in game. That makes the demand for a Luna house very high, and the real estate value reflects that demand. Taking away a couple of those advantages would lower the demand and therefore the value of the land. Maybe it's just me, but losing hundreds of dollars of net worth would certainly make me care.

 

[Connor_Graham]

I play Pacific shard. In the past I had about four dozen runes to good vendors around the shard. One of the oldest and best was PTC. They are all gone now. I have I think now only like six runes to shops that are not in Luna and those six are slowing disappearing as well over time.

*wonders if one of the six is my vendor house...*

If not it should be!

 

[RavenWinterHawk]

Market prices are determined by the buyer, not the seller. Just because I list something at 3 million doesn't mean it's worth 3 million. It's worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it. If the seller doesn't like the price that the market dictates, he has every right to keep the item and wait for a more favorable market.



A merchant world? The vendor system as it is now requires zero person-to-person interaction. Adding a vendor search would reduce the time and effort taken by both the buyer and seller in this non-interactive marketplace.

As for being bound by a global price, local businesses still have the opportunity to compete with the Wal-marts of the world. What they lack in low prices they make up in other areas like customer service.

Applying this to Ultima Online, people could justify a higher than market price by interacting with their customers to make the shopping experience more pleasant. For example, auction houses do quite well despite the fact that to sell an item you have to pay a fee (hence you don't get the absolute best price possible). Why? because some people actually play this game to interact with others, and auctioneers make the shopping experience interactive and enjoyable.



Have you seen some of the prices Luna houses are selling for lately? For the reasons Ezekiel Zane mentioned, Luna vendors enjoy plenty of advantages over the rest of the vendors in game. That makes the demand for a Luna house very high, and the real estate value reflects that demand. Taking away a couple of those advantages would lower the demand and therefore the value of the land. Maybe it's just me, but losing hundreds of dollars of net worth would certainly make me care.

Okay.
The success of Atlantic Outlet and Treasure Trove had to do with group building a viable area up. There are other guilds that did a good job.

About all luna has is location. Inside and out.
NO advertising. That I agree with.
No work. Set up a place and people come.

Selling the houses is different then a search option. I cant see paying $400 for a plot. I just rent at Luna for like 100k to 200k a month. I cant recall exactly. Im for people buying what they wish. Dropping coin on a house there even pushes my understanding.

That being said...

Go to LUNA on any Asain shard dead.
Go to TOKUNO on many Asian shards, well looks like luna in many places.
Go to Origin LUNA. Dead.

A lot of the game is based on players. The number of them and how they interact with their shard.

That being said...

Drop runes.

My vendors in the swamp, make extemely good money. Im on atlantic.
I advertise like 2 weekends a month. I stock them up, drop a few hundred runes over the weekends. And it works very well.

I guess LUNA is shard dependant.
I guess vending is player work dependant.

Im just dont agree on the benefit of shard wide vendor searching.
By the way I was able to find heritage tokens, and virtue armour 2 days later on out of the way vendors. A search mechanism would kill this.

In 30 minutes, everything you could possible want that has market value would be sucked dry with a vendor search.

You think Luna has gouging prices, which I agree with and disagree. Just imagine the buying power a group would have with a search engine.

May I ask. Do you two sell items or moslty buy stuff? And if so, where do you sell?

I clearly dont see the benefit of a search engine for selling. That isnt difficult.
I do see the benefit of needing a search engine for the harder to find stuff like furny etc. The benefit however doesnt out weigh the other stuff I wrote about.

Any way thanks for the debate. *looks for new topic*

 

[Ezekiel Zane]

I play Pacific shard. In the past I had about four dozen runes to good vendors around the shard. One of the oldest and best was PTC. They are all gone now. I have I think now only like six runes to shops that are not in Luna and those six are slowing disappearing as well over time.

*wonders if one of the six is my vendor house...*

If not it should be!

Really not sure Connor. I see you ingame plenty though I'm not sure I've been to your vendor.

I'm off to Chicago for a week but when I get back I'll come by your shop.

 

[Lady_Mina]

Yeah on europa we have 3 luna plots owned by some guild...their prices are insanly high...

Sure they're restocked...cause noone actualy buys anything so they never have to restock.

When i came back in UO..i've searched everywhere for shops with vendors that are at least weekly restocked.
I found very few shops on europa.

It's becoming very clear that the UO population is seriously shrinking.

 

[RaDian FlGith]

No one is selling these houses for gold. All the ones i have seen being sold are sold for real cash only. And those sold any where from 300-550 US dollars.

Makes me really wonder how many rich kids (or Chinese farmers) are really playing UO these days, because, no offense to EA, but there's nothing in this game worth real money anymore, save, perhaps gold -- and even that's iffy.

300-500 for a Luna house? Good grief.

 

[eolsunder]

Its all about what you like. Sure, someone owns 8 luna houses. Who cares? Place a vendor just outside luna where you can place a house and not pay 300 bucks for it, and its just as far to run as some corner luna house.

Again, what do you care if he owns 8 luna houses. If you really really want that luna house buy it from him. The deal is, you want a luna house for cheap, where as he wants a luna house for not-cheap. You cry because he has 8 and you have none. Boo hoo, buy one if you want it. if not, place your own house and drop runes. He's invested in his house with money. You haven't invested anything and want it given to you. Too bad.

There are pleny of people on the shard who can buy one of those house. Thunder owns like 8-9 luna houses on Legends. You think there aren't people who could buy one if they wanted? Sure there are, its just that those people have better things to spend their money on. Thunder likes luna houses. Me, I have plenty to buy one or more if i want, but i dont consider them important to me. Long ago I might have, but now I'd rather have a castle for 40 mil out somewhere instead of a luna house for 400 mil.

These house owners don't gripe about you and your choices, so stop crying about them owning luna houses. They are paying RL money each month to keep those accounts up. Many of them are house traders. Sure, house trading isn't what it used to be, but there is still a spot for them. Now adays they are more house traders/idoc hunters.

And the reason there aren't any vendors on them is because there isn't anyone playing to supply those vendors. I remember on Legends when there were tons of great vendor houses, less than a year ago. Fal had a vendor or 2, a few on the east side (not including the scripting resource houses of course). But there is a reason those houses aren't about anymore, those vendors aren't about. Because those people aren't about. Fal used to have a house or 2 that they sold their IDOC loot on. Guess what, no more house. Why? Well im guessing many don't play anymore to do Idocs, thus no Idoc loot to sell. But they still own Luna houses because they like them. Eventually they will get bored and sell them off. And the asking price will be for what ever the market holds.

And chances are it will be just like the other poster said. Will be one guy owning 50 houses, and selling them to himself once everyone else is gone.

 

[RoycroftLS]

Go to LUNA on any Asain shard dead.
Go to TOKUNO on many Asian shards, well looks like luna in many places.
Go to Origin LUNA. Dead.

Comparing Asian shards to US/Europe shards is comparing apples to oranges. From a quick look at the forums here and at uoforums, I would assume that Origin Luna is dead because Origin itself is dead. For the vast majority of players on US shards, Luna is the vendor mecca.

Selling the houses is different then a search option. I cant see paying $400 for a plot. I just rent at Luna for like 100k to 200k a month. I cant recall exactly. Im for people buying what they wish. Dropping coin on a house there even pushes my understanding.

My vendors in the swamp, make extemely good money. Im on atlantic.
I advertise like 2 weekends a month. I stock them up, drop a few hundred runes over the weekends. And it works very well.

A new player has to either pay extortion-like fees (to him) or spend hours doing a very unexciting and uninteractive activity just to get his goods visible to the marketplace. How is that good for the game as a whole, exactly?

Im just dont agree on the benefit of shard wide vendor searching.
By the way I was able to find heritage tokens, and virtue armour 2 days later on out of the way vendors. A search mechanism would kill this.

In 30 minutes, everything you could possible want that has market value would be sucked dry with a vendor search.

I would argue that those items still being available two days later shows just how ineffective and inefficient the current vendor system is for the average player.

Yes, there would be fewer large profit-margin items on the market with a vendor search. But there would a lot more (and easily accessible) smaller profit-margin items since more people would be inclined to sell. Instead of searching 2 hours for an item that profits 600k, you would spend 5 minutes searching for an item that profits 25k. Market speculators have both the funds and know-how to adapt.

May I ask. Do you two sell items or moslty buy stuff? And if so, where do you sell

For the record, I am a fairly self-sufficient player. I gather almost all my items myself, and a big reason for that is the frustration at the current vendor system. Vendors are very frequently mislabeled, unstocked, or have their items tucked away in various bags and boxes that add to the searching frustration. I don't sell frequently enough to justify the cost of buying or advertising a vendor spot, and I'd rather have no vendor than a poorly stocked one that just adds to the vendor problems I mentioned above.

The Luna search eliminates most of those vendor problems. Instead of spending two hours searching through poorly maintained vendors for an item, I can plug in a couple parameters and have my answer in seconds. But that tool gives them unfair advantages over people who live outside Luna. They don't have to label their vendors correctly, organize their goods on the vendor, or advertise at all. They just have to place an item on a vendor and price it.

As useful as that makes shopping for both the buyer and seller, it would seem a step backward to remove it. The other logical option is to make that functionality available for everyone.