Thoughts on artifact drops since the last patch

[foos]

Hello Stratics community. I have noticed changes in the artifact drop rates recently. Specifically I have been looking at Doom and Shadowgaurd.

Certain things I am noticing,

Doom ->

- More legacy table drops. (5 or 6x more)
- Drop rate is relatively similar to what it was before.

Shadowgaurd ->

- More clean legendary drops then what we saw before. (Significantly more).
- Cameos no longer drop unless you get extremely lucky. (Drop rate even lower then before).
- Minax, Hawkwinds, Shanty's, Obi, Anon's boots drop the same as they did before. (Still getting a lot of these).

Has anyone noticed anything similar and has anyone been farming Slither and can they comment on the rate?

 

[Coco_Zamis_DF]

Cameos no longer drop unless you get extremely lucky.

So no change for me.

 

[King Greg]

Not sure on doom, but shadowguard is looking kind of that way. Might just be bad rng for us. Someone out there getting a ton of cameos instead of unstable time rifts.

They really need to implement a BT style system for these fights where you can trade in X # of **** artifacts for one of your choice.

 

[MalagAste]

Considering I got my first ever Cameo the other day I would say haven't noticed.

 

[Laura_Gold]

Never got a cameo. Never got a crimson cincture.
Still speculating that "drops" in some way are dependent on account number, and it was done that way to to encourage people to trade.
Maybe I should go farm Tangle. How many tangles would I need to trade for one cameo?
Sux to be me.

I did FINALLY get part#2 of orc ship plans, so maybe something has changed. Maybe.

 

[foos]

How many runs would you say it took to get that cameo?

 

[foos]

Not sure on doom, but shadowguard is looking kind of that way. Might just be bad rng for us. Someone out there getting a ton of cameos instead of unstable time rifts.

They really need to implement a BT style system for these fights where you can trade in X # of **** artifacts for one of your choice.

I will say I got 3 before, but lately it's just been dry

 

[GarthGrey]

Hello Stratics community. I have noticed changes in the artifact drop rates recently. Specifically I have been looking at Doom and Shadowgaurd.

Certain things I am noticing,

Doom ->

- More legacy table drops. (5 or 6x more)
- Drop rate is relatively similar to what it was before.

Shadowgaurd ->

- More clean legendary drops then what we saw before. (Significantly more).
- Cameos no longer drop unless you get extremely lucky. (Drop rate even lower then before).
- Minax, Hawkwinds, Shanty's, Obi, Anon's boots drop the same as they did before. (Still getting a lot of these).

Has anyone noticed anything similar and has anyone been farming Slither and can they comment on the rate?

Dynamo, Tornado, Garlando, Bonzini or Tournament Soccer ?

 

[gwen]

Never got a cameo. Never got a crimson cincture.
Still speculating that "drops" in some way are dependent on account number, and it was done that way to to encourage people to trade.
Maybe I should go farm Tangle. How many tangles would I need to trade for one cameo?
Sux to be me.

I did FINALLY get part#2 of orc ship plans, so maybe something has changed. Maybe.

Farming Tangle is really hard. Can do it only if you really like to farm Navery. If you want it now - do Blackthorn.

 

[gwen]

Not sure on doom, but shadowguard is looking kind of that way. Might just be bad rng for us. Someone out there getting a ton of cameos instead of unstable time rifts.

They really need to implement a BT style system for these fights where you can trade in X # of **** artifacts for one of your choice.

I don't think it should be done for Cameos. They are Uber powerful. They are meant to be really hard to get or expensive to buy.
I think with future events we will get An Bal Xen equivalent for all slayer. With shard bound restrictions and no SSI. This will be fair.
Yea, I like BT (or high seas) system.But for existing content let it stay the way it is. Yes, I am angry every time I kill Devour of Souls and get no tinker legs. But it will make me very happy when I will get em.

 

[Keven2002]

I'm not sure if odds were changed or anything but that's been my own personal conspiracy theory for over a decade or so now; that the loot/drop frequency (and quality) typically gets adjusted down without warning after a certain period. I might be wrong and it just might be that I can't think of many things where the loot/drops sucked and all of a sudden it's worth doing because of a secret bump so it has me feeling like quality/frequency has dropped.

 

[MalagAste]

Well something is weird in the universe because "I" (the person who never ever gets squat)... got my second Cameo in a row... so ... IMO the world must be ending... the sky is falling etc... as something is wrong in the universe.

 

[Keven2002]

 

[Maximus Neximus]

I'm not sure if odds were changed or anything but that's been my own personal conspiracy theory for over a decade or so now; that the loot/drop frequency (and quality) typically gets adjusted down without warning after a certain period. I might be wrong and it just might be that I can't think of many things where the loot/drops sucked and all of a sudden it's worth doing because of a secret bump so it has me feeling like quality/frequency has dropped.

My guildmates and I think this is true as well. We always farm things hard for the first 2-4 weeks that new content is out because of this.

 

[King Greg]

I don't think it should be done for Cameos. They are Uber powerful. They are meant to be really hard to get or expensive to buy.
I think with future events we will get An Bal Xen equivalent for all slayer. With shard bound restrictions and no SSI. This will be fair.
Yea, I like BT (or high seas) system.But for existing content let it stay the way it is. Yes, I am angry every time I kill Devour of Souls and get no tinker legs. But it will make me very happy when I will get em.

you have 17 drops, and roughly a 1/3 chance of getting a drop. So that's ~ 51 runs to get a cameo, even doing it with a decent group you are still looking at ~ 45 hours of playtime. for an individual to get a cameo. 1.5 hours of gameplay for an entire month for a 1/6 chance. That's just idiotic.

You change it to 30 clears to pick a drop.
And it becomes 1/30 + 1/51
~ 1/19 Runs to get a cameo.

Still talking about 18 hours of playtime. just with a max of 30 runs to get a cameo.

just have to make the bosses reward points or an item to exchange every time to the players who clear.

Too many things in this game are left to 100% Rng.

 

[foos]

you have 17 drops, and roughly a 1/3 chance of getting a drop. So that's ~ 51 runs to get a cameo, even doing it with a decent group you are still looking at ~ 45 hours of playtime. for an individual to get a cameo. 1.5 hours of gameplay for an entire month for a 1/6 chance. That's just idiotic.

You change it to 30 clears to pick a drop.
And it becomes 1/30 + 1/51
~ 1/19 Runs to get a cameo.

Still talking about 18 hours of playtime. just with a max of 30 runs to get a cameo.

just have to make the bosses reward points or an item to exchange every time to the players who clear.

Too many things in this game are left to 100% Rng.

Hi King Greg,

I will say.... as obsurd as this sounds. Between my friend and I we are probably at 1000 runs without a cameo. So maybe there is at the very least a middle ground between what you're suggesting and what other people are. The chances of getting a cameo seem to be really low. I understand some people think it's lucky and that's great. I've gotten 3 before. It's just that I've done roof a LOT. I haven't seen one drop in my pack in a long time.

 

[Keven2002]

Too many things in this game are left to 100% Rng.

I'd agree there are things that are pure RNG but honestly that's how "the little guy" or newbie keep playing the game because there is a chance that even they can get a top tier drop without being all maxed out toon.

I would be perfectly fine with there not being RNG as I've played so long and developed a couple toons that are in fact maxed out (I think I'd have no issue camping out getting all the cameo's I desired) but if you go check the threads of basically ALL the Treasures Of events; you will see posts of many people that do not like the "earn from what you kill" play because they can't get enough kills to earn the highest end items (or at least several of them).

There is definitely a balance needed but that's the thing with "random" right? How do you know that it's just not random? @MalagAste sounds like she didn't have a cameo drop ever... and then she got 2 in a row. Seems like that's "random" to the extreme but random nonetheless.

By removing RNG and just making everything points, it will likely discourage the low end players that don't just play the game for end game content and encourage extreme camping (and scripting) of top end content. Removing RNG would basically create a monopoly on the market for the players that could do high end content. Perfect example would be if you want a set of tinker legs... ok I need to do the spawn 15 times. People that can't do it would be at the mercy of those that could (or people nice enough to help). Meanwhile you are going to have so many bots camped out at these things that a new problem was just created by removing RNG.

 

[foos]

I'd agree there are things that are pure RNG but honestly that's how "the little guy" or newbie keep playing the game because there is a chance that even they can get a top tier drop without being all maxed out toon.

I would be perfectly fine with there not being RNG as I've played so long and developed a couple toons that are in fact maxed out (I think I'd have no issue camping out getting all the cameo's I desired) but if you go check the threads of basically ALL the Treasures Of events; you will see posts of many people that do not like the "earn from what you kill" play because they can't get enough kills to earn the highest end items (or at least several of them).

There is definitely a balance needed but that's the thing with "random" right? How do you know that it's just not random? @MalagAste sounds like she didn't have a cameo drop ever... and then she got 2 in a row. Seems like that's "random" to the extreme but random nonetheless.

By removing RNG and just making everything points, it will likely discourage the low end players that don't just play the game for end game content and encourage extreme camping (and scripting) of top end content. Removing RNG would basically create a monopoly on the market for the players that could do high end content. Perfect example would be if you want a set of tinker legs... ok I need to do the spawn 15 times. People that can't do it would be at the mercy of those that could (or people nice enough to help). Meanwhile you are going to have so many bots camped out at these things that a new problem was just created by removing RNG.

quite honestly, the current system encourages botting even more because the only way to maximize your chances is to maximize the amount of drops you get.

 

[King Greg]

By removing RNG and just making everything points, it will likely discourage the low end players that don't just play the game for end game content and encourage extreme camping (and scripting) of top end content. Removing RNG would basically create a monopoly on the market for the players that could do high end content. Perfect example would be if you want a set of tinker legs... ok I need to do the spawn 15 times. People that can't do it would be at the mercy of those that could (or people nice enough to help). Meanwhile you are going to have so many bots camped out at these things that a new problem was just created by removing RNG.

I didn't say to remove Rng. You still had the random chance to get the cameo in my example.
1/30 + 1/51

It just shouldn't be 100% Rng.

I think you are 1000% off base on how you think things work. No system in this game should be coded with the intent of making it difficult for a botter. Anything that is timegated with only rng as the chance to drop only benefits scripters because they aren't doing it by hand.

Take slims shadow veil. 7,500 runs ~ 6-7minutes per run.

Only 812 HOURS. Yeah, making it difficult for even a botter i'm sure players are just lining up to do that quest by hand.

 

[MalagAste]

We'll put it this way @Keven2002 ... when UO is concerned typically I do not get drops. Used to get EM Drops regularly in the beginning... but then they changed things from it dropping on the corpse and you having to loot it and made some switch to how the drop get calculated something about top damagers and for quite a long while I didn't see a single drop not ever... then they changed it a mix of damage and healing and whatnot and if you live on the shard and I finally started to see drops again about every 2nd or 3rd drop... unless it was something I seriously didn't want... then I was sure to get a drop. But I quit doing EM Events about 2 years ago... got tired of that grind and the crashing of the client constantly, the lag, the lag induced death toll ... etc...

But as a general rule, I rarely ever get drops... I still remember the first time I got a crimmy... I almost didn't loot it because I kept wondering why Travestry had a piece of cloth on it... This was after 100's of peerless with the guild... 100's... and the fact that every single other member of said guild had gotten at least 2 or 3 of them... I finally got my first... Went to doom over and over and over... never got a drop... just before they changed it so you got "points" you can't see towards a drop and will get a drop guaranteed... I finally got my first doom artie... was that craptastic dragon lance that is complete garbage.

Recall I got a Tangle on the first Navery I ever did... have not gotten one since...

That is generally my "luck" with UO. But then I was in a guild with a guy who seriously would get a drop from everything he did every single time... he even got the ornament of the magician on two back to back Dark Fathers... he was that disgustingly lucky in UO... so you can imagine how that felt being in the shadow of someone like that day after day... of him constantly saying he got this or that artie... and usually good ones... Made you just want to vomit.

The one boss where I seem to have some decent luck would be Scalis... where I have actually gotten the 1 tile soulforge 2x. But GLs used to do them on a fair regular basis... not so much anymore or it's generally on weekends while I'm at work so haven't done those in a long time.

Never gotten a slither off of Medusa despite doing that many times... but yeah... don't expect I'll get one of those.

Now getting a drop on the roof... Normally I don't. And to get 2 drops and good ones... two Cameo's on two runs in a row... very strange for me. But I don't generally take the same character to the roof each time. I generally switch between about 5 tamers... so that might have something to do with it.

 

[foos]

We'll put it this way @Keven2002 ... when UO is concerned typically I do not get drops. Used to get EM Drops regularly in the beginning... but then they changed things from it dropping on the corpse and you having to loot it and made some switch to how the drop get calculated something about top damagers and for quite a long while I didn't see a single drop not ever... then they changed it a mix of damage and healing and whatnot and if you live on the shard and I finally started to see drops again about every 2nd or 3rd drop... unless it was something I seriously didn't want... then I was sure to get a drop. But I quit doing EM Events about 2 years ago... got tired of that grind and the crashing of the client constantly, the lag, the lag induced death toll ... etc...

But as a general rule, I rarely ever get drops... I still remember the first time I got a crimmy... I almost didn't loot it because I kept wondering why Travestry had a piece of cloth on it... This was after 100's of peerless with the guild... 100's... and the fact that every single other member of said guild had gotten at least 2 or 3 of them... I finally got my first... Went to doom over and over and over... never got a drop... just before they changed it so you got "points" you can't see towards a drop and will get a drop guaranteed... I finally got my first doom artie... was that craptastic dragon lance that is complete garbage.

Recall I got a Tangle on the first Navery I ever did... have not gotten one since...

That is generally my "luck" with UO. But then I was in a guild with a guy who seriously would get a drop from everything he did every single time... he even got the ornament of the magician on two back to back Dark Fathers... he was that disgustingly lucky in UO... so you can imagine how that felt being in the shadow of someone like that day after day... of him constantly saying he got this or that artie... and usually good ones... Made you just want to vomit.

The one boss where I seem to have some decent luck would be Scalis... where I have actually gotten the 1 tile soulforge 2x. But GLs used to do them on a fair regular basis... not so much anymore or it's generally on weekends while I'm at work so haven't done those in a long time.

Never gotten a slither off of Medusa despite doing that many times... but yeah... don't expect I'll get one of those.

Now getting a drop on the roof... Normally I don't. And to get 2 drops and good ones... two Cameo's on two runs in a row... very strange for me. But I don't generally take the same character to the roof each time. I generally switch between about 5 tamers... so that might have something to do with it.

Yup. I see this all over. Different players or "accounts" i'm not sure which seem to have different luck with different mobs. I do great in Doom. I get all kinds of awesome doom artifacts. I do okay at Roof too, I just don't get cameos typically. But I've talked to people who get cameos on a regular basis and according to them it's always on the same chars.

 

[gwen]

you have 17 drops, and roughly a 1/3 chance of getting a drop. So that's ~ 51 runs to get a cameo, even doing it with a decent group you are still looking at ~ 45 hours of playtime. for an individual to get a cameo. 1.5 hours of gameplay for an entire month for a 1/6 chance. That's just idiotic.

You change it to 30 clears to pick a drop.
And it becomes 1/30 + 1/51
~ 1/19 Runs to get a cameo.

Still talking about 18 hours of playtime. just with a max of 30 runs to get a cameo.

just have to make the bosses reward points or an item to exchange every time to the players who clear.

Too many things in this game are left to 100% Rng.

No. You either having fun farming roof with your friends or do some other content.
You can live and play without cameo. Honor, EOO, Divine Fury etc.. But everyone want to have one, then full set , then full set for every shard. Then full set for each toon on every shard.

And no one will sell Halawa bows cheap if this system to be implemented. I like em. So leave it as it is.

 

[King Greg]

No. You either having fun farming roof with your friends or do some other content.
You can live and play without cameo. Honor, EOO, Divine Fury etc.. But everyone want to have one, then full set , then full set for every shard. Then full set for each toon on every shard.

And no one will sell Halawa bows cheap if this system to be implemented. I like em. So leave it as it is.

You change it to 30 clears to pick a drop.

 

[Merus]

I think I would prefer token drops left to the RNG. The token would allow you to pick the reward you want. You could even have tokens for the lesser rewards, but if you combine 3 tokens you get a new token for a greater reward.

 

[gwen]

You change it to 30 clears to pick a drop.

For new content is ok. Whatever prices devs will make I'll go with it. For current one NO.
We have this items. We know prices. We know drop rates .

 

[toddorburt]

so all you have to do is complain on here and then you get a drop right @foos ? he started this thread monday and then got a cameo wednesday night lol

 

[Pawain]

so all you have to do is complain on here and then you get a drop right @foos ? he started this thread monday and then got a cameo wednesday night lol

That is a proven technique!

 

[foos]

so all you have to do is complain on here and then you get a drop right @foos ? he started this thread monday and then got a cameo wednesday night lol

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