SoulStones & ShardShieds are NO MORE recoverable from IDOCs?

[SteelRust]

If this is confirmed (as it seems to be, being them Account Locked Items), and considering that these are items of GREAT value for the PLAYERS (both for their Owners and for the community in general as a remembrance of who is no more), but NO RESELLING value for "notorious" RMS, I find this choice Plain & Simply IMMORAL.

In the case of SoulStones expecially, I was already DISGUSTED by the high CUB Points values they gave them, and now, making them vanish at IDOCs leave me at a loss of any civil word.

SR

 

[Tabby Kapak]

Totally agree SteelRust! Thanks again for your efforts at keeping the "homeless" Soulstones stored on Europa!

 

[Effort]

Skills are easy to train, vet items (like shard shields) apply value to the age of an account, and you get that age by paying for the account (ie keeping the hampsters fed).

This all makes logical sense. I do appreciate your nostalgia point, and I don't have a good solution for that.

 

[Lord Frodo]

Maybe you should read all the feed back about this new PUB on here and the official forums, this is old news and yes it is confirmed. Keep your stones in the bank, pay your account every 6 months on time and if you plan on leaving put all your rewards/shields/stones in the bank problem solved.

 

[Danpal]

Soulstones the stores sells. So lose your soulstone buy new ones.

Lost skills becasue of loseing the stones buy a mystic token.

Lost shard shields buy a transfer token.

Items that the store sells. They want to make more money is all.

 

[Lord Gandalf]

Its ur responsibility as @Lord Frodo mentioned, keep valuable items in ur bank, and in the new publish u will get a warning message “i think by email” so that should be more than enough

 

[Danpal]

Its ur responsibility as @Lord Frodo mentioned, keep valuable items in ur bank, and in the new publish u will get a warning message “i think by email” so that should be more than enough

I have always gotten a email that my accounts where not paid for. Been like that for years. I always try to have my accounts up to date but at lest once a year a non payment happens and they do email you. Looks like this.

Broadsword Online Games
End of Subscription Notification
Your subscription for Broadsword Online Games Ultima Online for Game Account name is here has ended for the following reason:

• The credit card on file was declined

If you did not authorize this, or require assistance with accessing account management or other billing-related issues please contact the Support department via email at [email protected].

This is an automated email from the Account Management site for Broadsword Online Games.

 

[MalagAste]

Its ur responsibility as @Lord Frodo mentioned, keep valuable items in ur bank, and in the new publish u will get a warning message “i think by email” so that should be more than enough

Not real convenient when you want to swap skills between characters... Really can't do that from your bank box.

 

[SteelRust]

To all the people that said "you can buy new SS in the Shop": you are totally missing the point.

SStones are SOULS, are the MEMORY of people that, for whatever reason, are NO MORE, in the game and sometimes in LIFE.

And THAT you cannot buy.

If you don't understand this, I really pity you.

SR

 

[Uriah Heep]

yeah, too bad they reprogrammed the whole damn system for IDOCs, instead of banning the scripters and cheaters.

 

[Keith of Sonoma]

yeah, too bad they reprogrammed the whole damn system for IDOCs, instead of banning the scripters and cheaters.

They obviously have no desire to even try. WHY NOT? THAT is the bigger question! *looks up the words "complacent", "corruption", and "collusion" in the dictionary.*

 

[Glorfindel]

I can see abit of both sides but really the uproar over soul stones and vet rewards to me seems way off. I came back in 2017 after being away for 8 years. It was very overwhelming and it was good that I had to build some skills here and there to revamp my characters and allowed me some time to build skills and read a lot about where the game has changed. I think I may have lost 2 soul stones? Not sure if they’re were even being used. Most of your skills are on your characters. The average player doesn’t keep more then a handful of skills on stones at the most. All my hard worked for skills are on actual characters. I have 4 currently and all I have on them is skills I don’t need. As far as Vet Rewards and IDOCs go, I got to actually go to my first IDOC Saturday since I started playing in 98’. It felt weird like we were all a bunch jackals waiting for something to die so we could pounce. The player had collected a lot of stuff and it was obvious the owner took a lot of time to deco the keep. It was sad really. I think a lot of outrage over the idoc changes are just people wanting other people’s stuff.

 

[Lieutenant Dan!]

I love everything about the new IDOC changes EXCEPT for the deletion of vet rewards. Everything else is great and thank you to the development team for taking the time to make this happen.

The decision to delete vet rewards was done under the premise that no one except for the house owner 'earned' those rewards. Therefore they should be deleted because no one else has a right to claim them at an IDOC. This is simply not true and I'll explain why

In many cases veteran rewards do not belong to the account that owns the house.

example #1 - I did not claim most of the vet rewards i have displayed in any of my houses. Most were purchased from other players that did claim them. If my house was to go idoc then i feel the player that did earn them be given a chance to get them back by attending the idoc.

example #2 - Account bound veteran rewards that are locked down in homes they are Co-Owned too.
I keep all of my shard shields in one home and all of my soulstones in another on atlantic. These veteran reward items do not belong to the account that owns that house. They belong to the co-owner.
I also own several houses spread out across other shards that have mixed vet rewards stored in them.
Now i don't play the 90 day game. I pay all of my accounts on a renewing monthly subscription. That being said it has happened many times in the past when for no reason my card will stop getting billed causing my accounts to go into default. Most times i catch it but my fear is that one day i will not (especially easy on an account that holds a house on a less populated shard that i sometimes don't go to for months at a time).

Deletion of vet rewards is opening a whole can worms. If i was to loose my shard shields because of this it would probably mean the end of UO for me.

 

[Hazel868789]

Ponders thought. Big UO announcement? ALL account bound items will be put into storage and will be recoverable if owner reopens account??? Would be nice, but this is just a SWAG. (Stupid Wild ARSE Guess).

 

[Lieutenant Dan!]

Ponders thought. Big UO announcement? ALL account bound items will be put into storage and will be recoverable if owner reopens account??? Would be nice, but this is just a SWAG. (Stupid Wild ARSE Guess).

This was suggested by many people. Simply put the account bound items in storage for the player as an incentive for them to return.

They did the exact opposite!

Why? Because it's a cash grab.
They would rather delete those items so they could sell returning players new ones IF and when they return.

They would have been better off leaving them in the idoc so friends and guildmates could retrieves them.
Soulstone graveyards? I'm sure they've heard of these being done. It works.

 

[ShriNayne]

People have been saying lately that the private soulstone graveyards were asked to 'donate' their soulstones to the shard EM, I'm not sure why this was happening, but it's almost like they want them deleted instead of being kept for players returning later. Adding them to the clean-up list ensured that most IDOC hunters would delete them too, for points, it just seems spiteful when so many people come and go and then come back again. I've always put mine in the bank but accidents do happen and sometimes a house falls and it wasn't intended.

 

[Lieutenant Dan!]

What they did is just another example of how they will screw up normal game play for the sole purpose of cashing in on UO store sales. It's completely unethical!

 

[Danpal]

Here is a simple thing.
1 delete soulstones and shard shields.
2 store sells soulstone and shard transfer tokens.
3 returning to game had most of my skills on x amont of soulstones lost my free transfer from the shields being deleted.
4 no vet picks left need to buy said items.
5 spend x amount on soulstone, xshard and mystic tokens from the store.
6 EA & BS happy they deleted them more money for them.

 

[Lieutenant Dan!]

Here is a simple thing.
1 delete soulstones and shard shields.
2 store sells soulstone and shard transfer tokens.
3 returning to game had most of my skills on x amont of soulstones lost my free transfer from the shields being deleted.
4 no vet picks left need to buy said items.
5 spend x amount on soulstone, xshard and mystic tokens from the store.
6 EA & BS happy they deleted them more money for them.

That's not the scenario i would return to. So in effect they are actually loosing money from returned subscriptions.

 

[Goldberg-Chessy]

To all the people that said "you can buy new SS in the Shop": you are totally missing the point.

SStones are SOULS, are the MEMORY of people that, for whatever reason, are NO MORE, in the game and sometimes in LIFE.

And THAT you cannot buy.

If you don't understand this, I really pity you.

SR

It appears you have A LOT of pity.
I am sure all of the long lost players are comforted knowing that you hang around your creepy soul stone museum wringing your hands in nostalgic despair

 

[SteelRust]

It appears you have A LOT of pity.
I am sure all of the long lost players are comforted knowing that you hang around your creepy soul stone museum wringing your hands in nostalgic despair

I beg your pardon? Did you forgot again to take you medications, or am I not understanding the tone of your post?

 

[Goldberg-Chessy]

I beg your pardon? Did you forget again to take you medications, or am I not understanding the tone of your post?

I will simplify it for you.
People are not missing the point and they do not need your misguided pity

 

[SteelRust]

I will simplify it for you.
People are not missing the point and they do not need your misguided pity

Ah, OK: you forgot you pills this morning, now is clear, thanks.

 

[ShriNayne]

It doesn't make sense why they even made shard shields, they totally shot themselves in the foot losing shard transfer tokens, it's like they didn't even know they existed as a source of income for the game.
Sure they can sell new soulstones to people who return, but they can't replace the lost skills that were stored there and some people won't want to do those skills all over again, account bound items and especially those bought with real money, should go to the player's bank box.

 

[Effort]

Yes, shard sheilds should really be removed. It doesn't provide anything positive, hurts shards local economies at too low of a prospective cost. Remove them, let people pancake, watch "off shards" develop again

 

[Lord Arm]

please put all soul stones in the bank.

 

[Uriah Heep]

People have been saying lately that the private soulstone graveyards were asked to 'donate' their soulstones to the shard EM, I'm not sure why this was happening, but it's almost like they want them deleted instead of being kept for players returning later. Adding them to the clean-up list ensured that most IDOC hunters would delete them too, for points, it just seems spiteful when so many people come and go and then come back again. I've always put mine in the bank but accidents do happen and sometimes a house falls and it wasn't intended.

If I'm not mistaken, didn't Mesanna say she was gonna delete the soulstone graveyards?

 

[AntyvasII]

If I'm not mistaken, didn't Mesanna say she was gonna delete the soulstone graveyards?

I believe one of the announcements said they were going to be "sunsetting" the soulstone graveyards.

 

[Xris]

I've let my house fall 3x over almost 20 years, I've probably lost 100 soul stones. It's not a big deal. Yes it sucks to rework the skills, but UO needs cash $. I pray everytime I buy something from the UO store that this is going to increase the budget for a new VS server (I know it's very wishful thinking).

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[Maximus Neximus]

I've let my house fall 3x over almost 20 years, I've probably lost 100 soul stones. It's not a big deal. Yes it sucks to rework the skills, but UO needs cash $. I pray everytime I buy something from the UO store that this is going to increase the budget for a new VS server (I know it's very wishful thinking).

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Assuming you bought all 100, that would be roughly $999 you've paid just for soulstones. Not everyone can afford that.

 

[Maximus Neximus]

It doesn't make sense why they even made shard shields, they totally shot themselves in the foot losing shard transfer tokens, it's like they didn't even know they existed as a source of income for the game.
Sure they can sell new soulstones to people who return, but they can't replace the lost skills that were stored there and some people won't want to do those skills all over again, account bound items and especially those bought with real money, should go to the player's bank box.

I disagree. Shard shields helped myself and some others i know play on multiple shards. It isn't about transferring gold or items to sell for everyone. Before shard shields, I did not purchase a single transfer token. I waited until my account was old enough to claim tokens and relied on others while waiting. If they remove shard shields I still won't buy transfer tokens. But they also may not have me as a customer if they do that.

As for soul stones and account bound items, I fully agree.

 

[Xris]

Assuming you bought all 100, that would be roughly $999 you've paid just for soulstones. Not everyone can afford that.

I acquired 90% thru VS with in game gold. there not a necessity. If you're smart you bank them before you quit, or you're dumb like me and forget them in houses.

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[SteelRust]

I believe one of the announcements said they were going to be "sunsetting" the soulstone graveyards.

And this what the heck should mean? Haven't they done enough damages already in this area of the game?

 

[ShriNayne]

I sometimes wonder what goes on in their heads, I just can't get my own head around some of the crazy decisions they have made. The excuses don't make sense either and that's if you even get given one.

 

[ShriNayne]

If I'm not mistaken, didn't Mesanna say she was gonna delete the soulstone graveyards?

You mean graveyards belonging to players? Surely she has no right to close those or take the soulstones contained there? I honestly think that is disgraceful! What reason was given for this? I didn't even know she had said that....

 

[AntyvasII]

You mean graveyards belonging to players? Surely she has no right to close those or take the soulstones contained there? I honestly think that is disgraceful! What reason was given for this? I didn't even know she had said that....

I think they meant ones handled by Company employees, like the huge one in Malas Atlantic. Probably too much of a hassle for them.

 

[SteelRust]

I think they meant ones handled by Company employees, like the huge one in Malas Atlantic. Probably too much of a hassle for them.

If this is true, they are simply a bunch of m*r*ns.

 

[SteelRust]

You mean graveyards belonging to players? Surely she has no right to close those or take the soulstones contained there? I honestly think that is disgraceful! What reason was given for this? I didn't even know she had said that....

And since when do they care about players possessions? Think, e.g., what is still happening with STORE BOUGHT Britannia Ship that vanish because LightHouse linking is bugged as hell.
I Returned 3 years ago, and in this months I tried to excuse BS b*llsh*t in many ways, giving them always the benefit of the doubt, but this last actions are doing it for me, and I will close 90% af my accounts.

 

[ShriNayne]

Hmm well if she meant the EM ones that's another issue, but according to other players they were encouraged to place all the soulstones they collected into those EM run graveyards, I'm guessing then it was always the plan to get rid of them eventually..
@SteelRust In no other game would items bought for real money not be replaced if a game mechanic or bug caused them to unexpectedly vanish, it just wouldn't happen. This blanket statement of 'we can't replace anything' should actually read 'we don't want to be bothered replacing anything, so you'll have to buy another one.' I actually deleted a beloved mount in EQ2 that my husband bought for me and a GM gave me it back within 24 hours, even though I admitted when I made my request that it was just my own carelessness.

 

[Uriah Heep]

You gotta admit, that's a pretty good scam LOL.
Get everyone to turn in their soulstones they've collected, hold em a bit, and then delete them.

Par for the course

 

[SteelRust]

You gotta admit, that's a pretty good scam LOL.
Get everyone to turn in their soulstones they've collected, hold em a bit, and then delete them.

Par for the course

"SCAM", if this is/was the plan, is too kind a word...

 

[Kuru]

I really do understand everyone’s opinions on this both ways. Ultimately at the end of the day this game is still someone’s business. (This game is a ton of players business as well.) I see no financial gain being had in saving soulstones. Unless I’m missing something?

How about don’t let your accounts lapse? And if you know they will, maybe bank your stones? Sure there are always going to be exceptions and hardships for certain situations. But fair is for children. There shouldn’t be specific things in place to protect ultimately most people’s improper planning.

 

[SteelRust]

I really do understand everyone’s opinions on this both ways. Ultimately at the end of the day this game is still someone’s business. (This game is a ton of players business as well.) I see no financial gain being had in saving soulstones. Unless I’m missing something?

How about don’t let your accounts lapse? And if you know they will, maybe bank your stones? Sure there are always going to be exceptions and hardships for certain situations. But fair is for children. There shouldn’t be specific things in place to protect ultimately most people’s improper planning.

Yes, it is somone business, you are right: it is the PLAYERS business, i.e., the ones that PAY BS people's salaries. This have nothing to do with "fair" in a childish sense, and all with fairness in a business one.... unless BS plan is to cash out as much as possible before closing the show.

 

[ShriNayne]

It's even worse though to rely on sales from a cash-shop in a game that still has a subscription to enjoy all content, usually only free games have a cash-shop that sells necessary/gameplay-affecting items....they want their cake and eat it too.

 

[SteelRust]

It's even worse though to rely on sales from a cash-shop in a game that still has a subscription to enjoy all content, usually only free games have a cash-shop that sells necessary/gameplay-affecting items....they want their cake and eat it too.

...and they will end eating s...and (and who cares), and the players with them too (and this is a lot more sad).

 

[Kuru]

Yes, it is somone business, you are right: it is the PLAYERS business, i.e., the ones that PAY BS people's salaries. This have nothing to do with "fair" in a childish sense, and all with fairness in a business one.... unless BS plan is to cash out as much as possible before closing the show.

Right on man. Good on you.

 

[Stinky Pete]

I have taken many, many breaks over the years. I have never lost anything important to me when I did. Whining about people losing stuff is just dumb, I'm sorry. The only way you are really going to lose your stuff is if you just say, "f*** it, I'm done," and don't bother packing any of your stuff away. I understand that financial hardships are a thing, but you have 90 days to come up with $15 so you can resub, pack your stuff, and deal with life. If you just let your house fall and think anyone's soulstone graveyard is going to save you, you're a moron. So this move by the devs is going to save you the time of checking to see if anyone is saving your soulstones. Good job devs!

 

[Xris]

It's even worse though to rely on sales from a cash-shop in a game that still has a subscription to enjoy all content, usually only free games have a cash-shop that sells necessary/gameplay-affecting items....they want their cake and eat it too.

Soulstones aren't necessary.....you can play UO fine without them. They're a convenience item.

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[DreadLord Lestat]

I am not worried about soul stones and don't really care about shard shield but I hate to see the other vet rewards deleted. 35mil for an ethy is crazy. Some early rewards are now almost 100 mil. Sad to think that some rewards that aren't widely chosen could soon become semi-rares. I think that was a very poor decision.

 

[QwertyEuropa]

It's even worse though to rely on sales from a cash-shop in a game that still has a subscription to enjoy all content, usually only free games have a cash-shop that sells necessary/gameplay-affecting items....they want their cake and eat it too.

I disagree with you about necessary items being in cash shop but can I ask where you think Broadsword should be making money from then?
We don't have numbers on population of paid accounts so we don't really know how much money they make in subscriptions but I can't imagine they are making much purely because a lot of people have EJ accounts.