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7-15 Formosa Meet and Greet Transcript & Takeaway (Item Cap, Rares, etc)

Effort

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I talked to someone from Great Lakes who attended the Formosa meet and great today, but he didn't have the transcript just a video of his part. If someone has the full transcript can you please post? These were the notes from his video I thought were worth mentioning:

1) Bracelets and Rings will not spawn above 8 mods. PERIOD. This is 100% confirmed by Mesanna, Kyronix and Bleak in response to GL player showing them a 14 mod ring and the Devs stating that they don't want that type of stuff in the game.

My take: I completely agree; this stuff should have never spawned, it's game breaking heavy. It will make it so they can't roll out new artifact revamps, or new content - nothing could ever be as heavy as some of the gear we have floating around now.

2) When Mesanna mentioned the 10-14 mods in the Newsletter "still spawning" she was counting resists.
Question was posed by a Formosa player as well as GL player, and confirmed to both parties.

My take: This was a very poor choice of wording initially in the newsletter when 90% of the players do not consider resists to be mods since all legendaries have a propensity to spawn with heavy resists regardless of the Prefix+Suffix, but in her defense she did clarify it today after some prodding.

3) They have no plans to mess with idocs currently.

My take: If you want to lay out clear ideas for them, it's never a bad idea, but they have their workload set for the remainder of the year - it's a small team, and of that small team I think only a couple of them actually know how the internal systems work. So hang in there on this, we will put together constructive ideas, and can bring it up to Kyronix and Bleak when the time come.


4) Contentious exchange where a true rare cloak, the 1 of 1 Cloak of Shadows, the GL player owned was dyed default by a GM, subsequently deleted by Mesanna. The GL player told Mesanna that this was the original ethereal cloak, and Mesanna kept reiterating that Clops made the item (this is not accurate though, Nails can confirm the sale in the early 2010s to this player). He dropped the item on the ground, Mesanna kicked him out of the box and deleted his item. He was being a jerk it should be said, so I'm sure that didn't help but eh just looks so bad.

My take: He made a good point, he said "this item has been around longer than you have been around" or something along those lines, and that clops was an EM hired under her watch. you can't just blanket delete the original EM item from 2006, since you don't want people to have any ethereal items.

Another point in my mind would be the handful of glacial cloth items from 2008 ; these have origination IDs which would show how old (relatively) the item is - you can tell which ones were created over a decade ago and which ones are new from Clops era. These were ALLOWED in 2008 to a specific player for giving the devs a very valuable exploit. The fact the player took a break and you then decided to outlaw an extremely rare color because of something one of YOUR EM's did a decade later is a very bad look.

You basically turned your back on someone who gave you a high level exploit, and went back on an agreement. You want your players to feel rewarded for doing your leg work (bug hunting), and what you did with this guys cloak , and the 2008 glacial set is cutting off your nose to spite your face

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he stopped recording after his exchange and the stuff with the cloak but we're missing most of the M&G transcript so someone please post when available
 
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Uriah Heep

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Nothing here surprises me at all. Power corrupts, it's just one step away from the players being told "my way or the highway".

And please, no one ask them to do anything with idocs. They totally screwed em last time they touched it, and after seeing the tmap revamp, I shudder all the way thru thinking about what would happen with idocs if they touch em. For the love of the game, if there is a system anywhere ingame that you like, try to keep it under the radar and hope they don';t target it
 

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Reckon we will see a transcript? no one has said anything about one coming available
 
Wow, 1000000x wow.
So pretty much, all those people that have 1000+ of legendaries stocked, are now happier and richer, great work.
You will see now a skyrock price increase on those pieces. Nice Move on that one.

Than you have Idocs, they really screw up on that one, by adding the non working 5-10-15 system and ofc the scripters like idoccrook and his 30 packies system are making tons of money but they (devs) have their agenda full for the rest of their year (It is only July btw), so pretty much this is it.
 

Effort

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I'm not sure, and I DO think she means well, but she doesn't come across well or know how to handle a customer when they're being less than cordial. The guy has a 1 of 1 item that was ruined, he wasn't pleasant, and she comes across really ill-informed or as you said "what I say goes" about deals made by a dev team which she was apart of at the time - the glacial stuff had her approval back then, this was brought up in 2013 and she was able to see when it was made, who was allowed to own it, etc.

It's not a good way to manage a user base, but this is our LEAD DEV, she isn't specifically best suited for community outreach, and they're a small team - they have a ton on their plate, and overall she's doing a good job.

In her mind what are 2 goofy items and something to gloss over are actually signal points for a very large issue with trust in management and the handling of 20 years of history in this game. UO is what it is because of the 20 years of history, and sure you can do whatever you want you're the current producer, but you shouldn't, and you have to know these issues could be addressed on a case by case basis, with far more care.

This cloak is 13 years old, the legal set of glacial stuff is 11 years old. It's very clearly identifiable that none of these things have anything to do with clops, yet she's just throwing her hands up and acting like this wouldn't be an issue the community at large is sensitive to.

It's a blunt way to handle your paying customers, so I hope someone can read this, think through what happened today and let's get on the same side
 

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And folk keep wondering why I'm so negative towards the game. I see little done to improve all the cheating, little done to fix the serious issues like IDOC scripters and Ghost Cams... and no end in sight to the constant spamming of the Avatar guy...

I see friends and more quit day after day over many issues including losing houses, accounts and beloved pets... yet nothing is done... but they have an agenda of fixing stuff that doesn't need fixing. And I'm supposed to be supportive and cheer about this?

And then I fork over $12 bucks extra (in support of the game).... to buy a farm set that while cute as hell does NOTHING but give me a glass of milk once a day... has misspellings my 11 yr old Granddaughter could have pointed out... and doesn't have any functions one would believe it should have by looking at it... as well the kitchen set is STILL BROKEN...

But I'm supposed to pat them on the back for all that and tell them what a great job they are doing???

I don't think so. I will continue to get mad as heck about the state of the game I love and continue to B and M about it until it gets FIXED.
 

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And folk keep wondering why I'm so negative towards the game. I see little done to improve all the cheating, little done to fix the serious issues like IDOC scripters and Ghost Cams... and no end in sight to the constant spamming of the Avatar guy...

I see friends and more quit day after day over many issues including losing houses, accounts and beloved pets... yet nothing is done... but they have an agenda of fixing stuff that doesn't need fixing. And I'm supposed to be supportive and cheer about this?

And then I fork over $12 bucks extra (in support of the game).... to buy a farm set that while cute as hell does NOTHING but give me a glass of milk once a day... has misspellings my 11 yr old Granddaughter could have pointed out... and doesn't have any functions one would believe it should have by looking at it... as well the kitchen set is STILL BROKEN...

But I'm supposed to pat them on the back for all that and tell them what a great job they are doing???

I don't think so. I will continue to get mad as heck about the state of the game I love and continue to B and M about it until it gets FIXED.

But
But...but they're a small team. So misspellings have to be accepted, and the fact the well isn't a water source (so I hear) has to be accepted.
We don't want to stress anyone.
 

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I mean misspellings are quality control, blatantly deleting true rares or forgetting about decade's old agreements for turning in game breaking bugs is an entirely different thing. I hope there's some middle ground to be reached for all parties, and we can all work progressively toward a better management and community relationship
 

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well sighs, when the new loot first came out I posted it was too good blah blah blah. anyone with common sense knew it would not be good for the game. how many months/years later they finally nerfed. guess what, too late.

they really do need to address all the rail running/idoc finding, idoc timers especially by the endless cheating accounts, and the blatant loot scripting. if I said what I really think I would be banned lol. there are so many other areas cheating occurs daily, pvp, resources ect….

multi account use, especially the endless cheating accounts can do the towers to get cargo. will use 8 to 10 and get at least 8 cargo from just the tower. while people with one account get totally screwed. if the devs continue this crap, will be time for everyone with one or 2 accounts to leave the game, period. I knew these endless cheating accounts would get exploited like this and with many others activities.

about illegal items, any item that is not supposed to be in the game should be deleted on site, period. the main issue is we need to know which items are illegal, asap. so no one buys and may reported them asap.

the devs have too many grey areas/unfair practices, some people are able to get devs to save their house/account while others dont to get the same ability. im sure but i bet a lot of older members can remember many actions in which, ems, seers, gms have done things that hurt the integrity of the game, let alone players.
just my opinions, I want to see and good clean game we can be proud of.
 
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"about illegal items, any item that is not supposed to be in the game should be deleted on site, period. the main issue is we need to know which items are illegal, asap. so no one buys and may reported them asap."

- to be clear the original Cloak of Shadows is an event item from 2006, with a solid history and an origination ID that would match, as well as the legal glacial clothing which the player was allowed to keep for telling the devs how to do a serious exploit. This is all well documented from over a decade ago for both of those, if you google you'll pull up the old stratics threads discussing each.

Neither of those discussed items are illegal, ever were illegal, and are simply being blanket banned under a policy of "no ethereal no glacial" due to failed oversight of someone hired under her watch. It's a very broad stroke and it's just not necessary - it's 2 individual cases, not 100. You can handle each of these with care. You know what glacial clothing was allowed to stay, it has a history attached, you know the Cloak of Shadows is very old due to its item creation id.
 

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>>>>> endless cheating accounts can do the towers to get cargo. will use 8 to 10 and get at least 8 cargo from just the tower

Like this...?

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>>>>> endless cheating accounts can do the towers to get cargo. will use 8 to 10 and get at least 8 cargo from just the tower

Like this...?

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And I was thinking the 13 I had was to many, I turn one on, put one out as a display and box the rest up, I was using 4 accounts for the Kills on the lighthouses
 

Xare

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I'm starting to think that UO players have a nice case of Stockholm syndrome going on.

You keep being mistreated by this Dev team, but you keep paying them. I understand that most people here have 10-20 years invested, but you really need to let it go. It's almost symptomatic of an abusive relationship.
 

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Playing UO and having no other life... constantly grinding and grinding... I can't do that my shoulder gives out after an hour or two.
I do not know, 42,000,000 Doubloons (if that is the wuantity we are looking at...) is a whole lot of Plunder Beacons to go find, take the time to sink etc. etc.

It is some massive time in UO and this, ONLY for that one specific task.....

I do not know how there can be people out there who have so much time at hand to play games....

In between work, family, friends, errands that need be taken care of and a whole bunch of other things that in life needs to be done, if a few hours are left in a week to play a game, for me it's already a miracle....

Having so much time at hand to spend exclusively in a game, is something beyond my comprehension.
 

MalagAste

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I do not know, 42,000,000 Doubloons (if that is the wuantity we are looking at...) is a whole lot of Plunder Beacons to go find, take the time to sink etc. etc.

It is some massive time in UO and this, ONLY for that one specific task.....

I do not know how there can be people out there who have so much time at hand to play games....

In between work, family, friends, errands that need be taken care of and a whole bunch of other things that in life needs to be done, if a few hours are left in a week to play a game, for me it's already a miracle....

Having so much time at hand to spend exclusively in a game, is something beyond my comprehension.
When I do the beacons I take Me, Myself and I... that's 3 chests per beacon... some folk are much more greedy and take 8 to 10 characters... so long as each one rotates through firing one shot on the beacon with the cannon they ought to all get a box theoretically... that's 8 to 10 per beacon... that's nearly a Triton per beacon... Betting that adds up REAL fast...

I quit doing them when the bug came back where the things keep firing after you've killed all the orcs... buggy crap in-game is just annoying. But then I take Me, Myself and I to do T-Maps as well... can be a struggle to juggle but you can do it if you try. Some folk may say that's cheating but I pay for over a dozen accounts... they are always paid every month no roulette with my accounts... I figure I could run 6 or 8 or whatever but 3 is more than enough to handle... I'm old I don't need that much "stress" ...

But yes no matter what it's a big-time investment... Does it pay off I don't know... People say I'm a hoarder and all but pretty sure there are several folk who got me beat by miles...
 
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