Everybody just goes back to the speed thing when they talk about pets in Fel. That lasted what? Two weeks.
The nerfs were mentioned, I explained why they were necessary. the speed issue was one of the imbalances that needed fixed. so what? I also explained that the other nerfs happened because of the instakill ability that some pets with certain templates had. is this a topic that noone should be allowed to mention anymore? it's not like I said pets need further nerfing. I simply explained why the nerfs of the past made sense.
You say it is fair to exclude "all Kill" from PvP because you have to dedicate all your skill points to other types in PvP. Why is it that somebody can return to the game with an imbued dexxer suit that has no reforged pieces on it and go right to Fel and get kills?
I never said to exclude "all kill" from PvP. I said that tamers like every other player who wants to PvP need to dedicate all of their skill points to PvP instead of just going with their PvM template (both toon and pet) and saying all kill while doing nothing else.
I'm not sure what you're trying to say when you mention that dexxer example... care to elaborate?
Sure a tamer could aid in spawns. As long as there are other templates that can actually kill a skilled raiding group.
Are you saying you can take your pet to a spawn alone and hold off a skilled raid?
I never said that a tamer can solo a spawn AND hold off a group of raiders. No PvM template can do that simply because they are ... well you know, PvM templates and not PvP templates. With the current division of PvM and PvP templates in UO it would be rather imbalanced if tamers were the only ones who could do both, wouldn't it?
There are PvP tamer templates that will be able to help with spawns (much like some of the other PvP templates) but they will never be as fast as pure PvM templates.
Can you kill a skilled PvP template one on one with your tamer at yew gate?
I play on Siege - Yew gate is not a PvP thing over here. What I see and hear is that Yew gate is pretty much 1 vs many (aka ganking) or group vs group, so not sure if Yew is a great example for 1on1. Nevertheless, I said before: PvP tamers with the right template for both tamer and pet will do very well in 1vs1 situations. In group vs group scenarios they still work but there are better options in my opinion. I did see them get kills even after the most recent nerf.
How many only tamer raiders have you seen attack a group of 5+ non tamers at a spawn? Win or lose.
By only tamer raiders you mean a group of tamers with no other templates? I have never seen that. I have seen tamers in raiding parties though, some successsful, some not so much. Not sure what you're trying to say here.
We have almost nightly PvP on LS and there are no tamer templates in those fights.
I am not debating that tamers are unpopular with PvPers. There are reasons for that: usually PvPers tend to believe that pets in PvP are lame. Most PvPers don't like to sacrifice 240 skill points for taming skills and would rather put them elsewhere. This is mostly due to the fact that playing a tamer requires a bit of a different play style than they are used to playing and people mostly don't like to change. This also has to do with the taming changes being rather recent and people need to really think hard about what to put on a PvP tamer's template and what pet build to use etc. This requires a lot of testing, thinking outside the box etc etc. Many people don't like to do that. They rather read up on long established PvP templates and copy them instead of figuring stuff out themselves. I don't blame them, it's simply easier that way...
I have bank sat on Atl Luna quite a few hours while shopping. The only tamer I have seen in PvP was a gargoyle who had a Vollum. I have not seen him in a long time. Yes you can tell who just returned from a PvP setting by looking at them. Most are asking for a mount res.
If your PvP experience reall consists of bank sitting and watching people ask for pet resses, then I am sorry but this is not really a good assessment of PvP. As stated above the reason you don't see many PvP tamers is not necessarily because they can't compete but rather because the hurdle to becoming a good PvP tamer is set rather high simply because you have to figure stuff out for yourself.
Let's stay with your bank sitting observations though:
I think this really doesn't tell you anything. If someone asks for a mount res it can be because he got dismounted, his mount and himself got killed. This could be because they got ganked, or because they simply aren't as good. Both examples don't really make them great examples for what works in PvP and what doesn't.
It could also be that they got dismounted, their mount got killed but they not only survived but they even killed their attacker(s). In that case they would be a great example of what works in PvP.
The reason why you don't see tamers that seem to have been pvping could be because of the reasons I mentioned above. It could also be because they don't need to ask for pet resses because they have vet on a soulstone. And last but not least theoretically it could also be because they dominate PvP and always win.
What I'm trying to say here is that by bank sitting you will never see what happened. You will see what happened after they came to said bank, that's all.