What new template? TAMERS WERE ALREADY IN PVP. They just weren't very common.
Granted, they aren't as...we'll call it "efficient" at is as a handful of people have become, but the point remains the high end items they get off roof and what have you are most readily bought by pvpers.
Tamers have been around for a long time in pvp. You did not develop a new template. I have seen Archers with Ninja death striking people with rune beetles dumping on the players. When S/E came out people ran a Bushido Parry tamer with 4/6 casting deahstrik and a hyriu.
I ended up playing some games on my PS4 when the revamp was added. Didn't want to fight pets non-stop + I wanted a break from UO anyway.
When UO came out in the first 5 years they did the following for pvp
I was going to bring up arenas in my first reply, I"m glad you did, I'm interested in seeing the responses.
You get different types of PvPers.
I don't agree with you, i hate moongate pvp, and i love spawn pvp, 90%+ of the chars used to do spawn are pvp viable, i can make a coon in 10 min with a pvp char (mage with just 25% sdi),
I liked battles at the faction strongholds, working as a team to keep the enemies out or working as a team to get into someone else's stronghold. Sneaking around town to see where everyone was and whether the enemies were teaming up to beat us. Grabbing sigils and hoping to get out alive with them and make it back to your own stronghold. Handing out sigils to everyone when all were corrupted so we could all make a big dash to put them back in the towns and know that we had won, at least for a couple of days. And all of this was before there was faction armor/pots/aids for rewards.
I loved dueling in UO. For me, it's a test of your skill against someone else's. Unfortunately, modern UO has killed dueling - among other things, Casting Focus. Admittedly, I've focused on solo play with various console games - having someone (challenging) to compete against was a rarity for me.
Same. Moongate pvp was always something I did when I couldn't get a fight anywhere else, wanted to challenge myself against #s (for the ones who were willing to fight), or was bored.
@Pawain I think you missed this. I'm genuinely curious what your rebuttal to this is.
In 2002 when powerscrolls came out the first 6 months on pacific you couldn't find a spawn not being worked. Lots of pvp, tons of players came to fel that never really experienced it. I know because I was one of them, and trust me I was one of them that attempted 30+ spawns before actually completing one (only to die in the star room to a grinder). Yet, you have people here crying about losing 1 spawn out of 5. I've seen huge guilds 200-300+ members go from complete trammie guilds to spawning pvp guilds, LOP-MEC-TAR-TK-RMP-GOL on pacific just to name a few. Most of these guilds stayed around for years, so you can sit there and say powerscrolls didn't bring activity to fel, but the problem with that is you were too busy playing in tram to know.
Really an item is so powerful that imbuing it with one property would make it undefeatable. Now we don't see anyone using it in any part of the game. How does one property do that?
What "content" did AoS add to fel?
you mean this thread? Glenda - everyone should watch this video
Pretty much off the top of my head, below is a list of the content that I know has been added to Felucca and/or exclusively affects PvPers over the last 12 years.
I listed AOS because it revamped the entire pvp system, added insurances, and made it a item base pvp game.
Almost everything you listed has a trammel and felucca version, which means the same stuff can be gotten from either facet. Why would someone bother doing fel mel to get a Crimmy when u can get one in trammel with no risk. The new spawns just added new monsters, still the same power scrolls. Most pvpers don't care for deco upgrades in fel, that is mute. VVV is a disaster and I rather have factions back.
Hmmm. I think I've actually done Lady Mel more in Fel than in Trammel. Seems like that way red characters get to participate as well. And isn't the quality of the loot perhaps a tad bit better than in Trammel because of the risk of being in Fel?
No, because you aren't on a forum where derailing threads is something both parties accept going in, it's actually against the forum rules.
What is missing now from the current list of Fel-only rewards that would breathe new life into UO PvP? Fel-exclusive content currently includes at least the following: power scrolls, stat scrolls, champ spawn artifacts and deco items, higher-value SoTs, some unique dungeon/ocean fish, higher fame, 1000 point luck bonus for loot generation, double resources, VvV rewards (potions, steeds, hair dye, a laundry list of artifacts and other useful equippable items, hooded robes, royal forged pardons, deco items, +10 SoTs, and battle aids), and Slim the Fence rewards. What's not on that list that would entice more people to PvP in Fel?
Scripting is a moot point in PvP these days, as it's related to CC, and EC outperforms CC on all fronts anyway, most Dexxer styles have moved to EC, as it just gives them so much extra.
But, I notice it all, I see and feel the differences over time. )VvV rewards that are not Antique.
Awesome. Thanks for showing us the in depth thought process and analysis you're capable of. Touched on one item and not the entirety of the idea that it went along with. The point was that most content additions end up needing scaled back. You can keep leaving some things untouched, until collectively it boils over. Do you not understand how each of these examples (a few examples of many over the years) left unchecked would build up? Cry about the Glenda now, cry about your pony now, just like people cried about their uninterruptible 47 damage holy fists, cried about their WoD archers, cried about whatever OP thing there was. Maybe chivalry was recent enough for you to understand what if Chiv was the same when Glenda came out? 47 damage uninterruptible fists with a 90 damage shield bash/bone crusher and 25 damage orc brute? sweet. I can't see any reason why people shouldn't be doing 162 damage. That's just two changes made within a few months of each other that, if left unchecked, build into something ridiculous.
Is there a corollary to this statement that reads something like, "Trammel should have the same opportunities as Felucca"?
No. Fel was THE land until they gave you an entire facet to play risk free. That IS the reason you play Tram instead of Fel. You get to play entirely risk free with infinite retries and Fel gets...powerscrolls. Giving that rule set every single benefit in the game carries this game further from what it was.
Part of me would like to say, sure.
Id perfer for UO to goto a global Owned by no one Item based game, NO Loot at all. (unless its a cursed item from a spawn) and top tier loot is in pvp only zones.
I don't multi-box.
You're right. The same people that have been paying to play UO for over a decade to see things implemented like t2a should have what they enjoyed be rendered completely irrelevant so you can farm scrolls in tram. You're asking for entire patches, lands, additional content to basically be wiped from existence for "equal facets." Were the subscribers "unworthy" and their money less valuable when they decided to add Tram and take away a big chunk of how they enjoyed playing the game?
There´s a reason why most of the so called PvPers here on Stratics never ever ever ever ever bring that up.
I have put together suits for PvP. I started playing UO in late 2004. I joined factions in 2006 and gave it a good try until it was disabled. I paid a lot of cash (several hundred dollars) to buy decent artifacts and put together PvP suits on a couple of shards where our guild did factions. However, I learned that I was not good at fighting other players and didn't enjoy it. I stuck with playing a faction thief but had no interest in being a thief in VvV. I even gave my oldest account that had most of my non-thief PvP characters to a guildmate when I quit playing UO for a while and wasn't sure I would return. Haven't missed most of those characters since then either and am glad that a friend has had a chance to enjoy them and add to them.
I can appreciate an answer like this.
Scripting in regards to actual pvp combat? THE MOST I've ever heard anyone scripting in pvp is for auto bandaging yourself when you get hit. Beyond that...I'd love to hear your ideas.
I don't know the answer to that. Ask the devs why they didn't carry through with equalizing the rulesets so each would have the same opportunities. All I can come up with is that perhaps they thought they were balancing things out by leaving power scrolls and stat scrolls in the Fel ruleset and putting other new things in the Trammel ruleset. Maybe they thought they could create some dependencies between players that they thought were spending most of their time getting power and stat scrolls and players who were getting artifacts from Doom and other places and thereby keep most of their subscribers still paying and playing. Maybe they thought it was the route that would save UO.
Nice response.
All events should be on Alt and in fel
Wouldn't be able to hold anything in Fel would be a complete cluster and you know it.
I just went through the last two months of UHall threads on here. Guess how many threads were about pvp related issues in regards to nerfing or changing? One. Guess how many "non-pvp related" threads were posted complaining about things that need changing? Closer to 10. Anything from this invasion sucks, to poor drop rates on a staff from fishing, to this monster is too tough and needs adjusted, or i can't play the template I want in sorc dungeon.Tired of Devs wasting limited Resources on PvPers who are the biggest whiners in the game. Every week we have a thread about how this or that is unfair, or needs to be nerfed or looked at.
Majority of the playerbase doesn't want to PvP yet the Devs continue to waste a huge amount of time on PvP.
The biggest complaint on Stratics over the last year has been multiboxers and if events were done in Fel this wouldn't be an issue =]Tired of Devs wasting limited Resources on PvPers who are the biggest whiners in the game. Every week we have a thread about how this or that is unfair, or needs to be nerfed or looked at.
Majority of the playerbase doesn't want to PvP yet the Devs continue to waste a huge amount of time on PvP.
