If you're not into training pets, GD is still the best. But everyone is doing it now - I've taken White Wyrms, Rune Beetles, and Nightmares (among other things) and they all EASILY surpass Greater Dragons. I am curious to see how well my 4.3 GD does against each of them, but I'd imagine they'd wreck it with ease.
Me either. There hasn't been a lot of things that present issues for the enhanced pets now, and if you throw a Rune Beetle into the mix, things become even easier. I do have one question though: does the Aura of Nausea ability work on monsters? I gave it to a Poison Drake and that might be a fun combo for a hard-hitting boss.
idk. I dual-cliented The Roof on Monday night and had zero issues with any of the bosses (outside of one death on Juo'nar) before I lost power on Anon. Ozymandias took a while because I wasn't able to discord him, but my pets (White Wyrm & Rune Beetle) weren't in any danger of dying. Rune Beetle (with Consume running) tanks Virtuebane quite well since they can't be poisoned, allowing you to heal non-stop - it was in no danger of dying unless I had to med on my 2nd character (who was also e-fielding.)
I did a roof run today with a GD, Cu (4), Rune Beetle (5) and a Cold Plat Drake (5)... and they crushed it.
A saddle?
All I read here in this thread is, that people do the roof with 2-4 pets, which each take up 5 slots. Which boils down to 2-4 tamers. Yet a samprire can solo the roof. So why exactly would tamers need a nerf?
pvp. Some of the builds with pets (which I have no interest in seeing for myself) will be ridiculous. Hell, the Phoenix is ALREADY stupid - it's pretty difficult to escape from it WHILE MOUNTED...and that was when I was trying to tame one. If you're on foot, it's going to kill you.
pets only do half damage in pvp hitting other players
Oh, for just grab and go purposes probably, but if you have a plan, probably not.
Rune corruption seems pretty OP to me, now that anything can tank ok.
They capped dex on tamed creatures to 150.
I think obsolete is too strong. They are still really effective. They are just more generally effective than specifically. I'd still keep a 4.7 GD for sure.
Dex can be higher. It's stamina that was capped.
DPS and tank at the same time, or one or the other?
Same time
Teach me your ways
Even if he was totally worthless now I would keep stable slot for the 4.7 I tamed what 2 days before the pub LOL. Put him toe to toe with a max hp HPR life leech Tsuki and the Tsuki held his own for over a hour of the two pounding on each other. And that was without consume on either. neither got below half life with no vet healing. Hiryu did not fare so well without the life leech. Have not tried a healing CU yet. RB Did not fare so well in the long run took 15 min for the 4.7 to redline a max hp, 125 poison RB again the mage healing the RB used is just too slow for Big Chucks DPS. So yeah obsolete is not really accurate but I would say anything less than a 4.2 would not be worth hanging on to at this point.
Yep skip the mage and put everything in HP, HPR, Resist and Stam Regen. Not my favorite pet but without question the New RBs are going to be very popular.
That is what I have on the Cu I have been training. He is not 4x120 legendary yet and things may change once he is fully trained on them but so far my GD beats it out. I guess spending some points on the base damage on the Cu would have been a good idea in hindsight but I wanted the hp's high.. and that crap is costly lol
Doesn't really surprise me. The two major tank stats are resists & wrestling.
While you can't put it on the pet you can tame it over capped
Have a couple more over capped highest 89 Fire 
Consume Damage is incredibly powerful in the first level of Destard, since all the Dragons there do 100% Physical Damage with their melee, and Consume Damage converts Physical Damage into a HPR and HCI buff for your pet. I've pulled all of first level Destard onto my Saurosaurus before while running Consume Damage, and they failed to even scratch him. Not just because of his Life Leech, but also because he had 150 HPR from Consume Damage converting all the Physical Damage.
The Tsuki Wolf wasn't able to finish off the GD, likely because the Tsuki Wolf was casting Corpse Skin on the GD, improving it's Physical Resist, which is the type of damage that Tsuki Wolves deal the most of (90%), so the GD was taking so little damage that his occasional Greater Heal was able to keep him up. Try giving the Tsuki Wolf AI on top of his Necro and Life Leech (if it'll still let you, haven't leveled a Tsuki Wolf since TC testing, was able to give them AI on there). If the Devs fix the problem with Physical or Cold heavy Necro pets casting Corpse Skin, then that Tsuki Wolf should easily be able to take that GD.
Stamina is both movement rate and swing rate. Hence why creatures/NPCs slow down both their attacks and movement when severely damaged, they've lost a lot of Stam.
That is where my thinking was leading me on the Tsuki. After the initial mana dump with a lot of withers and blood oaths it looked like as soon as he had enough mana he started dropping evil omen and corpse skin as soon as his mana regenerated. I have another high Hp, high resist wolf I am going to train up today and and leave necro off of. I can't remember if AI was a option but have been more than a little than happy with the life leech and the Tsuki fast attack Between HPR and life leech that is what kept him alive in the fight. But they got each other down to varying between 1/4 and 1/2 life and just hung there in that range slugging it out. Seems if corpse skin is going to be in the mix the necro critters damage type should be adjusted to maybe 60 phys/ 20 fire/ 20 energy to balance it out a bit. Been busy with a new Hiryu that is showing a lot of promise....... His hits, str and resist were naturally high enough that they didn't cost much to max leaving enough points to add a healthy amount of PS , 20hpr, bladeweave (I like BW) and bump his mana to 383 with 1000 HP. LOL he is one high dollar metallic blue turkey. If I could have figured a way to fit in 120 resisting spells and focus I would have but that would have cost more in the HP area than I wanted to give up. Again though the drawback is the 100% phys damage, but I like the big war turkeys of UO and want to see just how well this one does fully trained up in skills. Still a damned expensive Turkey though LOL. But hey unlike most of the colored Hiryus that seem to have total crap stats, this one was near max on everything 72phy/86fire/35cold/ 63 poison/54 energy 701 Str, and I don't recall the pre training hp but he could have went up to 1085 in training. Sorry I am bored sitting here letting sheep pound on him to 120 parry LOL only 1.3 left to go........ post tame wrestle on him was 101.3 and tactics 93.7 beat on dread pirates for his training so he only gained anat there. so got a bit of a jump on getting those to 120 thanks to the RNG smiling on me for once. After that I am going to hunt for a top model Tsuki with near max HP and resist, the one I have untrained is nice but a long way from a top of the line one. Still something to be said for finding and taming the highest end of a species when it comes to spending the training points. Anyway I am having a lot of fun with the Hiryus atm they are proving to be very potent in PvM as tanks and can dish out damage reasonably fast and stay in the fight without a lot of vetting. With the Hiryu it comes down to it is a tank now and it is a ride. So I am not forced into my tamers being smelly Gargoyles just so I can move at mounted speed getting in and out of places.
Tamer just sit back and risk no danger, no wear and tear on equipment, all kill and watch YouTube.
Not entirely true, but not totally false either.. Tamers lose dura when they cast gheal and any other spells, which is why I do not use the antique legendary jewls any more. One good boss fight and the are at 0/255 dura. But they definitely do not take the kind of hit on dura that Sampires etc take during a battle.
Aye... agreed. There are only a handful of templates left in this game that is worthwhile. So I am hoping there is no more nerfing done on tamers and sampires. In fact, these are the only 2 that I got left for PVM and the rest are either crafters for pvpers.
